One good thing NASA's Earth Explorer is doing (One of very few good things)

[$27 TRILLION to pay for Kyoto]

Their Earth Explorer, in addition to being used to promote the hoax of
AGW, is being used to find more oil. Nice to see some balance at that
decrepit organization.

[columbiaaccidentinvestigation]

On Mar 23, 5:29 am, "$27 TRILLION to pay for Kyoto"

its called earth observations, are you claiming we should understand
other planets better than our own?

[1treePetrifiedForestLane]

yeah; slightly bigger demand for that, ipso facto.

[Rich]

columbiaaccidentinvestigation <columbiaaccide...@yahoo.com>
wrote in news:145121ea-1f3d-4e55-a3ab-
a450ce...@t6g2000pba.googlegroups.com:

Give the task to other organizations, NOT NASA.

[columbiaaccidentinvestigation]

On Mar 23, 9:41 pm, Rich <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> columbiaaccidentinvestigation <columbiaaccidentinvestigat...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in news:145121ea-1f3d-4e55-a3ab-
> a450ceaf0...@t6g2000pba.googlegroups.com:

>
> > On Mar 23, 5:29 am, "$27 TRILLION to pay for Kyoto"
> > <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Their Earth Explorer, in addition to being used to promote the hoax of
> >> AGW, is being used to find more oil.  Nice to see some balance at that
> >> decrepit organization.
>
> > its called earth observations, are you claiming we should understand
> > other planets better than our own?
>
> Give the task to other organizations, NOT NASA.

lame argument, noaa partners with nasa, and noaa runs space weather
predictions. You seem to be a bit confused.

[Brad Guth]

On Mar 23, 6:29 am, "$27 TRILLION to pay for Kyoto"

All accessible global oil reserves are closely mapped and quantified
as is.

Exploitation investment risk is only considered if there's going to be
future competition other than the usual insider trading and market
speculation.

Deeper wells and more powerful fracking is the mainstream status-quo
for the next couple centuries of extracting hydrocarbons, with
unlimited market pricing to suit.

NASA as per usual is just blowing smoke by way of burning our hard
earned loot.

http://groups.google.com/groups/search
http://translate.google.com/#
Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”

[Brad Guth]

On Mar 23, 10:41 pm, Rich <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> columbiaaccidentinvestigation <columbiaaccidentinvestigat...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in news:145121ea-1f3d-4e55-a3ab-
> a450ceaf0...@t6g2000pba.googlegroups.com:
>

> > On Mar 23, 5:29 am, "$27 TRILLION to pay for Kyoto"
> > <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Their Earth Explorer, in addition to being used to promote the hoax of
> >> AGW, is being used to find more oil.  Nice to see some balance at that
> >> decrepit organization.
>
> > its called earth observations, are you claiming we should understand
> > other planets better than our own?
>
> Give the task to other organizations, NOT NASA.

Exactly, our public funding shouldn't be utilized to benefit Big
Energy that has no intentions of sharing back any cent of profits from
our investments. If we start thinking we can trust our DARPA and
NASA, we might as well trust Hitler, GW Bush, Dick Cheney and
Kissinger again.

[Brad Guth]

On Mar 23, 11:33 pm, columbiaaccidentinvestigation

That's not so bad, because you seem to be a public funded FUD-master.

NOAA isn't doing us much better good than DARPA and NASA combined.

When the private sector gets screwed, we're all getting screwed.
Obviously you oligarchs like screwing with the private sector, while
taking as much public funding as possible.

[Rich]

Brad Guth <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:8763ba50-a94c-4cce...@pg6g2000pbb.googlegroups.com:

You stupid dope. What do you suppose would happen if we ditched oil,
coal, etc? In addition to spending 50% of our income of B.S. alternate
energy, the SAME kind of corporations who run oil would run wind and
solar. Fool.

[Chris.B]

On Mar 26, 5:19 am, Rich <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> You stupid dope.  What do you suppose would happen if we ditched oil,
> coal, etc?  In addition to spending 50% of our income of B.S. alternate
> energy, the SAME kind of corporations who run oil would run wind and
> solar.  Fool.

Whoah! Let's not be quite so quick to attack the dope. Wind and solar
have the almost unique ability to provide independent energy free of
the monster energy companies. Without the corrosive demand for ever
higher quarterly payments mankind could suddenly find itself severed
from the treadmill of work. No need to commute for miles merely to
keep warm and enjoy the benefits of electricity. Much of which is
wasted over very long supply cables and conversion from AC to DC in
our domestic apparatus. The world needs to save energy more than it
needs to increase energy output. Why no global home insulation drive?
Because it keeps us tied to the Big Providers. Africa is discovering
oil just as we need their dirt cheap labour to make more shit as China
becomes too expensive. Who will make the dirt cheap shit now? Robots?

Electric cars have now been touted as potential battery stores for our
homes. Take transport (too) out of the list of holds which employment
has over us and it all begins to look quite rosy. Why do we need coal
and oil when we can live independent from them? This new found freedom
should be top of the right wing political agenda if individual freedom
really is their goal for all. Imagine a world where our actual working
hours shrank back to that of the caveman? A world where self
expression and real talents could find value to society again. Instead
of being passive consumers and slaves to the treadmill we could all
lead our own lives. Instead of merely contributing to the obscenity of
the already, utterly pointlessly wealthy.

It won't happen of course. We are all too addicted to wasting our
lives away. Worshipping the infinite gradations of status and
hierarchy. Filling our empty hours by collecting worthless, ephemeral
detritus and paying to be amused by others less talented than
ourselves. Even YouTube is changing its Open Contribution policy to
something far more commercial and saleable. I blame TV for most of it.
Before TV people made things for themselves and amused themselves with
their own natural talents. CNC ended mechanical talent. TV the ability
to think for oneself. Hobbies became something other people did. While
we passively looked on. Bemused and critical by turns on our TVs. Or
scribbling semi-literate, obscene comments on YouTube.

[1treePetrifiedForestLane]

"fossilized fuel" is a tradename of energy colgomes,
with no technical meaning, whatsoever; thank you.

[Brad Guth]

On Mar 25, 8:19 pm, Rich <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:

As long as you and others of your sucking kind continually refuse to
police those of your own kind, the global energy markets will remain
as a corrupt mafia of insiders and/or faith-based cabal that gets to
do as they please. I've pointed this out as of more than a decade
ago, actually starting my rants about this as of 1968.

Hydrogen is still unlimited, and it's essentially as renewable as
oxygen. Carbon is not essential to creating good amounts of energy,
much less capable of clean energy, and otherwise a much smaller global
carbon footprint of perhaps 10% is technically doable.

Why are you and others of your oligarch sucking kind always so opposed
to creating and using hydrogen peroxide?

Photons are forever, and now Boeing has developed a 100% PV conversion
efficiency factor. You obviously got a big problem with that.

What's so freaking wrong with using geothermal and wind derived
energy.

Why are you mainstream Rothschild diehards opposed to using thorium
fueled reactors?

When have I ever in my life specified 100% dumping or stoppage of
global hydrocarbon usage?

Only a diehard Zionist Nazi oligarch like yourself would have reacted
by lying exactly as you have demonstrated. So, what's your pathetic
excuse this time?

Tell us, why don't you police your own kind?

[1treePetrifiedForestLane]

hydrogen is not a source of energy, chemically;
nor is it renewable, in the sense of fusion. anyway,
what's that that Boeing has found?

every means has its associated problems; by all means,
use them all, including "fossilized fuelsTM."

> Photons are forever, and now Boeing has developed a 100% PV conversion
> efficiency factor.  You obviously got a big problem with that.
>
> What's so freaking wrong with using geothermal and wind derived
> energy.
>
> Why are you mainstream Rothschild diehards opposed to using thorium
> fueled reactors?

thus quoth:
Radiation (UNSCEAR) as an ideal example of how an independent
and objective scientific report should be prepared, in
this case a report on the global risks from all sources of radiation,
including nuclear weapons and Chernobyl. The
UNSCEAR assessments presented each year to the U.N.
General Assembly are regarded as a bible of the science
of ionizing radiation. Yes, UNSCEAR mostly fits
Nature’s description—but for a price. Because
UNSCEAR’s scientific reports often widely differed
from the catastrophic views of the United Nations
Environmental Programme or of the former U.N.
Secretary-General, the U.N. bureaucracy has
squeezed the finances of UNSCEAR, down to a level
that caused almost a complete halt of its activity
(Jaworowski 2002).
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/Articles%202007/20_1-2_CO2_Scandal.pdf

> the IPCC for anything more than a political organization soliciting

thus:
I already knew, before these semi-official events --
totally in thrall of the mainstream nonsequiter of "global" warming,
in fact -- that this was the case for Antarctica;
the Man from NOAA, Swiss affiliate, showed that it was true
of GrIS, and I recently found out that it was true of #3,
the main icecap on Iceland.

> >these icesheets have only increased in heighth,
> >since the measurements began.

[Brad Guth]

Exactly, we as the supposedly most intelligent species can do way
better than global exploiting and living off hydrocarbons, and
otherwise putting us a risk by using uranium primarily for creating
plutonium that goes mostly into our WMD.

The past, current and future K12s are basically screwed-over by their
very own parents, grandparents and their peers as faith-based
protected and by those having authority, wealth and mafia like power
over whomever we elect or appoint. By not policing their own bullish
and selfish kind is exactly what causes wars, inflation and global
disparity that they don't see anything wrong with.

99% of Americans are totally wasted on junk foods, snookered and
dumbfounded by eyecandy, consumer packaging hype and into playing of
games plus into social/political media pretending that usually ends up
neglecting and/or hurting others. The ability to take better care of
themselves, staying out of trouble and much less help others is
getting mainstream nullified, because they haven't been properly
educated nor much less allowed to think or act for themselves.

[Chris.B]

On Mar 27, 6:40 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Exactly, we as the supposedly most intelligent species can do way
> better than global exploiting and living off hydrocarbons, and
> otherwise putting us a risk by using uranium primarily for creating
> plutonium that goes mostly into our WMD.
>
> The past, current and future K12s are basically screwed-over by their
> very own parents, grandparents and their peers as faith-based
> protected and by those having authority, wealth and mafia like power
> over whomever we elect or appoint.  By not policing their own bullish
> and selfish kind is exactly what causes wars, inflation and global
> disparity that they don't see anything wrong with.
>
> 99% of Americans are totally wasted on junk foods, snookered and
> dumbfounded by eyecandy, consumer packaging hype and into playing of
> games plus into social/political media pretending that usually ends up
> neglecting and/or hurting others.  The ability to take better care of
> themselves, staying out of trouble and much less help others is
> getting mainstream nullified, because they haven't been properly
> educated nor much less allowed to think or act for themselves.

If you are going to start talking common sense it is I who may have to
see the shrink! ;-)

It's not just the Americans. Many societies, around the globe, set
themselves the target of being as American as possible. So junk food
and obesity are about to cull a few hundred million before their time.
Next thing you know the ambulance chasers will bring class actions
against MacLards and Kloak. They'll whine: "They made me do it!" and
want a free handout for their awful suffering.

The terrorists should look to MacLards and Kloak for inspiration if
they are running short of willing victims. They haven't scratched the
surface of humanity compared with those two. Yet you don't see the
security services stopping Kloak abusers in the street for carrying
unlicensed, offensive weapons.

I was just reading about the British 2012 Olympics. MacLards has the
total monopoly of fast food in the global centre of all this
athleticism. Kloak has the total monopoly on drinks. So where will the
athletes eat and drink? Well away from the largest fast food hub in
the world, I would imagine! Well, they wouldn't be seen dead stuffing
that crap down their faces like there was no tomorrow, would they?

If you think politics is corrupt you should look at the IOC, Now
there's a gravy train heading for the buffers at full speed! £9.5
billion dead squid have been dumped on this farce in the middle of a
global recession. Sport participation is falling as fast as funds are
diverted from real, grass roots sport and youth support to fill the
pockets of the fat cats. Absolutely no offence intended to real cats,
of course.

BTW: For those unfamiliar with Danish: "Kloak" is a sewer. You know:
Where the brown frothy stuff runs freely. :-)

[Al Wilson]

the new prius c is so cute - i want 2 take 1 home an give it lots of
(((((hugs))))) xxxxxxx my baby prius xxxxxx

[Brad Guth]

On Mar 27, 9:38 am, 1treePetrifiedForestLane <Space...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> (Jaworowski 2002).http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/Articles%202007/20_1-2_CO2_Scan...

>
> > the IPCC for anything more than a political organization soliciting
>
> thus:
> I already knew, before these semi-official events --
> totally in thrall of the mainstream nonsequiter of "global" warming,
> in fact -- that this was the case for Antarctica;
> the Man from NOAA, Swiss affiliate, showed that it was true
> of GrIS, and I recently found out that it was true of #3,
> the  main icecap on Iceland.
>
>
> > >these icesheets have only increased in heighth,
> > >since the measurements began.

As per usual, your LLPOF conditional physics is noted.

Of course O2 is where the energy is, but there's no need for
introducing hydrocarbons if reacting that O2 with H2, or at least by
using only a slight bit of hydrocarbon along with HTP for a super
terrific kick. Sunlight can make as much affordable H2 or H2O2 as any
global demand could possibly want.

Obviously you have been fully invested in hydrocarbons, so that's
certainly good for you and those other oligarchs.

[Chris.B]

On Mar 29, 10:51 pm, Al Wilson <al.wil...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> the new prius c is so cute - i want 2 take 1 home an give it lots of
> (((((hugs))))) xxxxxxx   my baby prius xxxxxx

Y'all really don't have much imagination, do you? The Prius is not
remotely green. It is rolling, marketing hype for middle class chumps
in the absence of serious, all electric vehicles for the man and woman
in the street. The total CO2 load of producing the damned things makes
a mockery of any saving in CO2 released at the dripping exhaust pipe.
Particularly since it is usually recharged with coal-fired
electricity.

The vast majority of vehicles carry only the driver. Only over a
relatively short journey to collect the next fix of sugar from the
supermarket. So smaller, lighter, all-electric vehicles are far more
appropriate. Heavy, steel bodies, built to carry four or five
obscenely obese passengers are a complete joke. They are still trying
to make the same early 20th century cars but with a spark symbol on
the side like some re-badged, Buck Rogers iFizzler.

It's a bit like saying your Rotten Apple iSlave is greener. Simply
because it uses the same workers 60 hours a week, 7 days a week. All
to save exhaled CO2 by workers commuting on their bicycles to the
CommyCon factories from their mega-city slums. I wonder how the
Chinese ComCorrupt party will feel when RottenApple starts bussing in
black slaves from Africa? Unlikely? I imagine RottenApple must be sick
of paying backhanders to the local ComCorrupt committee members to
avoid embarrassing details like CommyCon's working practices being
exposed.

When does the first RottenApple iSlave factory open on the edge of
some African mega-slum? Too many security problems? Just bring in a
few CIA drones to keep the lid on things. If that doesn't work they
can always mine the carefully manicured and constantly irrigated lawns
under the suicide nets. Lock the doors on the workforce and chain them
to their workbenches. Problems? End of. ;-)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17557630

[Al Wilson]

On Mar 30, 6:13 am, "Chris.B" <chri...@nypost.dk> wrote:

> On Mar 29, 10:51 pm, Al Wilson <al.wil...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
> > the new prius c is so cute - i want 2 take 1 home an give it lots of
> > (((((hugs))))) xxxxxxx   my baby prius xxxxxx
>
> Y'all really don't have much imagination, do you? The Prius is not
> remotely green.

pearl white, pure white, cabernet red, tyrol silver, nuvus gray,
vermillion red, dark blue, astral black - true not green xxxxx

> It is rolling, marketing hype for middle class chumps
> in the absence of serious, all electric vehicles for the man and woman
> in the street.

it is a sweet quiet ride even if 1 does not care about green, in any
case i was talking about the "c" model of prius xxx

> The total CO2 load of producing the damned things makes
> a mockery of any saving in CO2 released at the dripping exhaust pipe.
> Particularly since it is usually recharged with coal-fired
> electricity.

1 cud apply that 2 all cars xx

> The vast majority of vehicles carry only the driver. Only over a
> relatively short journey to collect the next fix of sugar from the
> supermarket. So smaller, lighter, all-electric vehicles are far more
> appropriate.

agreed xxx

> Heavy, steel bodies, built to carry four or five
> obscenely obese passengers are a complete joke.

the perfect size for carrying a 10" dob to a dark sky site! xxx

[Chris.B]

On Mar 30, 1:38 pm, Al Wilson <al.wil...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
> the perfect size for carrying a 10" Dob to a dark sky site! xxx

I can walk to a dark sky sight from my back door in less than 3
seconds.
The only problem is the darkly coloured, parked car getting in the
way.
A 10" Dob on a suitable trailer can be easily towed behind a bicycle,
Since the Dobsonian is named after a real person it deserves a capital
D.
And stop blowing me kisses! <sigh>

[1treePetrifiedForestLane]

is he related to teh Dobson of the ozonometer?

I forgot to ask the telescope guy, when he came to our club,
because I was more interested in the Moon Problem.

[1treePetrifiedForestLane]

newsflash: they are by source renewable,
whether or not we are extracting them at a renewable rate;
thye are just biomass!

[Brad Guth]

On Mar 30, 2:52 pm, 1treePetrifiedForestLane <Space...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Yes, at $1000/barrel they'll renew just fine and dandy. Drilling 10+
km deep should also do the trick of sucking out the last pockets of
oil and those mostly toxic gasses that'll contain some methane.

Are you suggesting that all food be converted into hydrocarbons?

At least Mokenergy has a cheap and reliable method using his solar
energy created hydrogen, in order to convert coal into a high quality
synfuel, but that would only at best buy us another couple centuries.
Then what?

Obviously the cost of living doesn't affect your lifestyle or impact
any of your offshore investments and banking.

Here’s an ugly 5500 tonne $300M yacht of 394’ (120 meters) that has no
problems burning through 46 gallons/nm.
http://outofthedeepblue.com/WPsite/?p=294
24,000 SHP and 24 knots = 45 gallons/nm + 1 gallon/nm for its
auxiliary power (1100+ gph)

Obviously this Russian oligarch that likely pays back damn little in
taxes or fees (picked up by us consumers and taxpayers anyway) could
care less about his carbon footprint, of which this one yacht
represents perhaps only 10% of that average oligarch footprint.
Usually these big yachts are not operated at their full speed, whereas
more like half or at most 2/3 speed (16 knots) and long-range
consuming as little as a forth shaft horse power, or perhaps as much
as 16+1 gallon/nm of reduced auxiliary power would represents an
average of only 17 gallons/nm. Of course there’s the overhead of its
crew, provisions and shore related services plus owners private jet
and helicopter transport services that are always adding to this
oligarch’s yacht carbon footprint, that probably averages closer to
the 24/7 hourly consumption of hydrocarbons for a carbon life style
that on average could easily exceed 333 gph (8000 gallons per day, and
that’s only worth 2.92 million gallons per year in order to fully
accommodate this one billionaire mega-yacht along with his crew,
family and guests.

Of course there are thousands of such oligarch mega-yachts that pay
little if any tax or having to provide crew employment benefits,
though mostly they are somewhat less spendy and usually less fuel
consuming, although there certainly are a few larger and more fuel
consuming, plus these yacht owners often have their spendy offices,
multiple villas/mansions, business jets, helicopters and a motor-pool
that’ll knock our socks off, and otherwise these mega-yachts usually
do provide many better than minimum wage employment for their crew,
plus in need of various harbor/shipyard services which naturally adds
to their average Yacht carbon footprint by more than ten fold once
their all-inclusive grand life-style of living large is fully
quantified.

In other words, the more ostentatious the yacht, and larger the
oligarch carbon footprint, is what represents the greater number of
full and part-time employed (while many of us hard working but less
fortunate still can’t afford to buy our own cooking and lamp oil, much
less afford other minimal life-style basics due to global disparity
and inflation that’s directly linked to the cost of hydrocarbon
fuels). So, it’s still bloodline and/or redneck bullyism dominated
and thus unfair for anyone that's not of the upper .0001% caste.

You must be one of the oligarch upper caste, or at least one of their
brown-nosed minions.

[wsne...@hotmail.com]

On Mar 26, 1:24 pm, "Chris.B" <chri...@nypost.dk> wrote:
> On Mar 26, 5:19 am, Rich <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > You stupid dope.  What do you suppose would happen if we ditched oil,
> > coal, etc?  In addition to spending 50% of our income of B.S. alternate
> > energy, the SAME kind of corporations who run oil would run wind and
> > solar.  Fool.
>
> Whoah! Let's not be quite so quick to attack the dope. Wind and solar
> have the almost unique ability to provide independent energy free of
> the monster energy companies.

Wind power is not practical on a small scale.

http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2009/04/small-windmills-test-results.html

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/04/30/why-windmills-won’t-wash/

Of course any given solar panel will work less well in a dark, cloudy,
northern clime such as Denmark than it would in a sunnier, more
tropical country such as Bangladesh.

> Without the corrosive demand for ever
> higher quarterly payments mankind could suddenly find itself severed
> from the treadmill of work.

Treadmill of work:

http://www.energybulletin.net/stories/2011-06-01/bike-powered-electricity-generators-are-not-sustainable

> No need to commute for miles merely to
> keep warm and enjoy the benefits of electricity.

There are other benefits to commuting. One could also suggest that
keeping warm is easier in a tropical country such as Bangladesh than
it is in a dark, cold northern country such as Denmark.

> Much of which is
> wasted over very long supply cables and conversion from AC to DC in
> our domestic apparatus.

It's funny you should mention that since Denmark imports so much of
its electricity from Sweden.

> The world needs to save energy more than it
> needs to increase energy output.

Tell that to the kids:

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/3788/

> Why no global home insulation drive?

Again, one could also suggest that keeping warm is easier in a
tropical country such as Bangladesh than it is in a dark, cold
northern country such as Denmark.

> Because it keeps us tied to the Big Providers. Africa is discovering
> oil just as we need their dirt cheap labour to make more shit as China
> becomes too expensive. Who will make the dirt cheap shit now? Robots?

http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/after-hours/2011/08/29/inside-legos-danish-factory-40093752/

I'm not knocking Lego blocks, I had fun with them when I was a young
child.

> Electric cars have now been touted as potential battery stores for our
> homes. Take transport (too) out of the list of holds which employment
> has over us and it all begins to look quite rosy. Why do we need coal
> and oil when we can live independent from them?

Denmark gets about half of its electricity from coal plants some of
which are owned by Sweden, which has nukes and hydro but no coal
plants within its borders. Meanwhile, wind hasn't contributed much to
Denmark's energy picture. And a good portion of Denmark's fuel use
involves container shipping.

> This new found freedom
> should be top of the right wing political agenda if individual freedom
> really is their goal for all. Imagine a world where our actual working
> hours shrank back to that of the caveman?

And our life expectancy as well. Also, cavemen got by without posting
hourly rants on the Internet. What's your excuse?

> A world where self
> expression and real talents could find value to society again.

Ugh. Og kill mammoth. Og eat leftover mammoth rest of life. Have time
now draw on cave wall.

> Instead
> of being passive consumers and slaves to the treadmill we could all
> lead our own lives. Instead of merely contributing to the obscenity of
> the already, utterly pointlessly wealthy.

Who, for the most part invest the money.

> It won't happen of course. We are all too addicted to wasting our
> lives away. Worshipping the infinite gradations of status and
> hierarchy. Filling our empty hours by collecting worthless, ephemeral
> detritus and paying to be amused by others less talented than
> ourselves.

You should quit that.

? Even YouTube is changing its Open Contribution policy to

> something far more commercial and saleable. I blame TV for most of it.
> Before TV people made things for themselves and amused themselves with
> their own natural talents. CNC ended mechanical talent. TV the ability
> to think for oneself. Hobbies became something other people did.

Such as, for example, amateur astronomy?

> While
> we passively looked on. Bemused and critical by turns on our TVs. Or
> scribbling semi-literate, obscene comments on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tar4V4t4ADA

I suggest that all Denmarkians load up their windmills, solar panels,
bicycles, Lego blocks, any spare treadle pumps they may have lying
around, and emigrate to Bangladesh. Once there, they can let the
Bangladeshis scrap the ships, while the Denmarkians set up the solar
panels and operate the treadle pumps.

With the Denmarkians now shouldering the burden of operating the
treadle pumps and other tasks, the Bangladeshi children can spend time
getting an education and with the solar panels set up, there will be
enough light for them to do homework after sunset.

Freed from a cold climate, the Denmarkians will no longer have to
worry about staying warm, saving quite a bit of fuel. Who knows, the
Swedes might even learn to get by with just hydroelectric plants!

[wsne...@hotmail.com]

On Mar 28, 1:38 pm, "Chris.B" <chri...@nypost.dk> wrote:
> On Mar 27, 6:40 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Exactly, we as the supposedly most intelligent species can do way
> > better than global exploiting and living off hydrocarbons, and
> > otherwise putting us a risk by using uranium primarily for creating
> > plutonium that goes mostly into our WMD.
>
> > The past, current and future K12s are basically screwed-over by their
> > very own parents, grandparents and their peers as faith-based
> > protected and by those having authority, wealth and mafia like power
> > over whomever we elect or appoint.  By not policing their own bullish
> > and selfish kind is exactly what causes wars, inflation and global
> > disparity that they don't see anything wrong with.
>
> > 99% of Americans are totally wasted on junk foods, snookered and
> > dumbfounded by eyecandy, consumer packaging hype and into playing of
> > games plus into social/political media pretending that usually ends up
> > neglecting and/or hurting others.  The ability to take better care of
> > themselves, staying out of trouble and much less help others is
> > getting mainstream nullified, because they haven't been properly
> > educated nor much less allowed to think or act for themselves.
>
> If you are going to start talking common sense it is I who may have to
> see the shrink! ;-)
>
> It's not just the Americans. Many societies, around the globe, set
> themselves the target of being as American as possible.

They must have a good reason. Why would they want to act like
Denmarkians?

> So junk food
> and obesity are about to cull a few hundred million before their time.

Maybe this will help:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tar4V4t4ADA

> Next thing you know the ambulance chasers will bring class actions
> against MacLards and Kloak. They'll whine: "They made me do it!" and
> want a free handout for their awful suffering.

A woman did sue for getting burned by hot coffee that she spilled. If
hot coffee is what you want, maybe MacLards is your place.

> The terrorists should look to MacLards and Kloak for inspiration if
> they are running short of willing victims. They haven't scratched the
> surface of humanity compared with those two. Yet you don't see the
> security services stopping Kloak abusers in the street for carrying
> unlicensed, offensive weapons.

You can go into almost any grocery store and find all kinds of
unhealthy food to eat. You can also find very healthy food to eat.
The choice is yours. OTOH, victims of terrorism were invariably
minding their own business when attacked.

> I was just reading about the British 2012 Olympics. MacLards has the
> total monopoly of fast food in the global centre of all this
> athleticism. Kloak has the total monopoly on drinks. So where will the
> athletes eat and drink? Well away from the largest fast food hub in
> the world, I would imagine! Well, they wouldn't be seen dead stuffing
> that crap down their faces like there was no tomorrow, would they?

No, but they might very well try steroids.

Has the IOC chosen an official cigarette?

> If you think politics is corrupt you should look at the IOC, Now
> there's a gravy train heading for the buffers at full speed! £9.5
> billion dead squid have been dumped on this farce in the middle of a
> global recession. Sport participation is falling as fast as funds are
> diverted from real, grass roots sport and youth support to fill the
> pockets of the fat cats. Absolutely no offence intended to real cats,
> of course.

Is it still possible to get tickets to the opening and closing
ceremonies, or finals tickets for track, gymnastics or swimming?

> BTW: For those unfamiliar with Danish: "Kloak" is a sewer. You know:
> Where the brown frothy stuff runs freely. :-)

I am sure that Denmark has a plentiful supply.

[wsne...@hotmail.com]

On Mar 30, 5:52 pm, 1treePetrifiedForestLane <Space...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> newsflash: they are by source renewable,
> whether or not we are extracting them at a renewable rate;
> thye are just biomass!

We are using them up roughly a million times faster than they are
being formed. The Demarkians _might_ be doing a little better, maybe
"only" 500,000 times faster, but they don't include the use by their
shipping industry in their estimates. Many of the more outspoken
Warmingistas might be using up their "share" of the fuel about 10
million or more times faster. IOW, they are using someone else's
"share."

[wsne...@hotmail.com]

On Mar 30, 2:13 am, "Chris.B" <chri...@nypost.dk> wrote:
> On Mar 29, 10:51 pm, Al Wilson <al.wil...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
> > the new prius c is so cute - i want 2 take 1 home an give it lots of
> > (((((hugs))))) xxxxxxx   my baby prius xxxxxx
>
> Y'all really don't have much imagination, do you? The Prius is not
> remotely green. It is rolling, marketing hype for middle class chumps
> in the absence of serious, all electric vehicles for the man and woman
> in the street. The total CO2 load of producing the damned things makes
> a mockery of any saving in CO2 released at the dripping exhaust pipe.
> Particularly since it is usually recharged with coal-fired
> electricity.

The older Prii burned only gasoline, last time I checked. The new
ones CAN be plugged into a coal-fired grid such as Denmark's, but that
is not necessary, nor beneficial in all cases.

All-electric vehicles would almost certainly need to be plugged into a
coal-fired grid, such as Denmark's.

> The vast majority of vehicles carry only the driver.

Even so they probably get a better PMPG, since buses often run with
few passengers off-peak.

> Only over a
> relatively short journey to collect the next fix of sugar from the
> supermarket.

The vast majority of vehicle trips are NOT for picking up a bag of
sugar.

> So smaller, lighter, all-electric vehicles are far more
> appropriate. Heavy, steel bodies, built to carry four or five
> obscenely obese passengers are a complete joke. They are still trying
> to make the same early 20th century cars but with a spark symbol on
> the side like some re-badged, Buck Rogers iFizzler.

The 0bamamobile by Government Motors?

[AGWFacts]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 06:29:29 -0700 (PDT), "$27 TRILLION to pay for
Kyoto" <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Their Earth Explorer, in addition to being used to promote the hoax of
> AGW

The what?

--
"How is it that you are unable to see that animals fucking and thus
causing biological production is a delusion, not a scientific concept
or fact?" -- Ray Martinez

[Chris.B]

On Mar 31, 5:01 pm, wsnel...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> The 0bamamobile by Government Motors?

That thing will never get off the ground! ;-)

Thanks for the useful links.

Regarding wind turbine rotor size I have often noticed a remarkable
size vs rotation disparity in the Danish landscape. (where there are
very many scattered groups of commercial turbines) I often joke that
they must be using coal-fired electricity to rotate the largest
turbines because they only very rarely stop even in apparently dead
calm conditions. The medium sized rotors do stop but only a few times
a year. How much energy they produce in low wind conditions is another
matter. The very small "domestic" turbines stop quite often. This
disparity follows logically on from the swept area of the blades
rising as the square of the radius. Denmark is a rather windy place.
Subjectively Denmark is far windier even than Western Britain. Yet the
Danish terrain is mostly of very low altitude and relatively flat.

What the world needs more than anything is paint-on, super insulation
for the exterior walls of homes and offices in cold climates. The
present payback time of external wall insulation, on existing building
stocks, is ridiculously long. Even with all the extra Danish taxes on
every kwh of mains electricity consumed it does not pay to have
external insulation done commercially. Interior wall insulation is
largely impractical for many homes and not as efficient as external
insulation.

Only new builds are adequately insulated and even then there are
doubts about effectivity. Insulation is potentially one of the
greatest benefits to those on a low income. Yet is completely excluded
on account of its very high cost. So, many old people die of
hypothermia. Which saves on the taxpayer's pension bill. Meanwhile,
the middle classes are subsidised for putting solar electric panels on
their roofs with generous payback for over-generation beyond their own
domestic consumption.

BTW: It is no use trying to make fun of the Danes at my expense. I'm
not a Dane. Though I do respect many of their practices.

[spica]

"Chris.B" <chr...@nypost.dk> wrote:

> I can walk to a dark sky sight from my back door in less than 3 seconds.

You are amongst the lucky few. Many of us have to drive 100 miles or more.

> The only problem is the darkly coloured, parked car getting in the way.

You regret going with Astral Black instead of Tyrol Silver or Pure White? :)

> A 10" Dob on a suitable trailer can be easily towed behind a bicycle,

For 100 miles?

[Brad Guth]

We're also being culled via sugar. I'm certain the oligarchs and
Rothschilds don't individually consume 10% as much raw and processed
sugar as the rest of us.

Have you followed any of what William Mook has uncovered?

[Chris.B]

On Apr 2, 12:48 am, "spica" <wearechild...@ofthestars.com> wrote:

> You are amongst the lucky few.

Indeed. People are always telling me I'm gifted.

> You regret going with Astral Black instead of Tyrol Silver or Pure White? :)

I've tried most colours over the years but they usually spoilt my
night vision.

> <Cycling> For 100 miles?

Y'all would have to build up to it with regular training. ;-)

I recommended towing a telescope behind a bicycle in the S&T in my
youth. Some Americans thought I was a schoolboy because I didn't
automatically suggest driving to find the darkness. I didn't have to
go anywhere to find the darkness. It was already upon me. Only when
the British finally invented B&W American TV comedy shows did I
realise that Americans drove everywhere from junior school age.

The British had yet to invent the traffic jam at that time. So cycling
was still considered quite normal. Many British factories used to have
vast cycle parking facilities. Literally thousands of bicycles would
pour in and out of the factory gates at the beginning and end of the
working day. Many of them even had riders. Only the senior managers
had cars.

Then the British invented the Japanese car and everything changed
within two or three short years. We lived on a quiet, leafy main road
into a city. It went from being woken at dawn by noisy birdsong. To
the constant roar of heavy traffic 24 x 7 in only a year or two. After
that they gutted every British city and town centre to make more room
for the Japanese cars. The British hadn't invented American cars by
then so we used to gawp in disbelief at the rumbling, metal dinosaurs
at the cinema.

Now the Danes have invented the classic American car. There are far
more American classic cars here now than there are in Cuba. Even
though gasoline is 14 dollars (equiv) a gallon. Y'all couldn't make it
up! :-)

[Chris.B]

On Apr 2, 6:32 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> We're also being culled via sugar.  I'm certain the oligarchs and
> Rothschilds don't individually consume 10% as much raw and processed
> sugar as the rest of us.

We wont have sugar in the house. If anyone wants sugar in their tea
they have to bring their own... and stand outside to drink it!

> Have you followed any of what William Mook has uncovered?

I hope it's a clean joke? This is a family forum, you know. ;-)

[Brad Guth]

There's nothing dirty or nasty about William Mook, although a bit
eccentric and flying off-the-hook from time to time with his Mokenergy
and Mokaerospace alternatives, though nowhere as bad as Warhol and a
few others.

Clearly the whole truth and nothing but the truth seems to upset you.
Why is the best available research, science and its truth so upsetting
to you?

[Brad Guth]

Whenever they get to exclude the other preliminary plus multiple
secondary factors of extracting, transporting, processing and just
otherwise our using up those hydrocarbons, it doesn't cont as anything
all that negative or of any consequence against their supposedly
renewable capability. Whereas instead by consuming such hydrocarbons,
or in the case of venting off helium at a good billion times faster
than it’s getting created from scratch within, apparently doesn't
count against our survival or against the environment until the very
last barrel and m3 gets processed, flared off, consumed, spilled or
raw vented into the polluted atmosphere, as well as entirely lost into
space by the tonnes per second.

By using up the other shares of hydrocarbons that belong to others
that are least compensated, is simply the best ever Semitic oligarch
Rothschild heaven on Earth, because to them hell doesn’t even exist.

[Chris.B]

On Apr 4, 8:54 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Clearly the whole truth and nothing but the truth seems to upset you.
> Why is the best available research, science and its truth so upsetting
> to you?

You are confusing me with somebody who has no sense of humour. Humour
is the ultimate filter for bullshit, superstition and fantasy. It is
the power which all despots most fear.

Never mind the Rothschilds and your publicity seeking hoards of goose-
stepping, Jewish Nazis, Fudmistresses... or whatever nonsense you keep
repeating like a brainless parrot.

The greatest danger to the West is to continue to pay some of the most
evil men on the planet for the theft of their nation's wealth. It
certainly makes them handy trading partners when they need Western
weapons to repress their own people. Who then become angry, alienated,
unskilled, economic immigrants in our own backyard. Or salaried
"fundamentalist" terrorists. Which means that citizens in the West can
have their rights curtailed in the cause of fighting the very
terrorism our so-called leaders cheerfully subsidise.

A major cause of death globally (excluding disease) is oil-driven
transport. What do they do about this? They put party balloons in
vehicles to protect the driver from the consequences of their actions.
Yet, by far the easiest and cheapest modification to vehicles. To
automatically reduce the appalling death toll worldwide. Is a simple,
four inch long, sharp spike. Right in the middle of the steering
wheel. Action and consequence are finally reconnected. After a century
of murder and mayhem.

How much is a barrel of oil worth really? About the same as several
cubic metres of our own blood. Plus the millions of dollars wasted
worldwide to protect its massively subsidised abuse.

[Brad Guth]

You clearly understand how we've been screwing with Karma, and now
it's getting closer to payback time because our options for continuing
this ruse are simply fewer.

Our true government isn't elected or appointed, just like Russia,
China and Japan has no real government of their people.

The cold-war era was totally bogus, as in fabricated and having been
sustained by mutual Zionist oligarchs, that you might care to think of
as American and Russian mafias.

[Robert Miles]

On 3/24/2012 12:41 AM, Rich wrote:
> columbiaaccidentinvestigation<columbiaaccide...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in news:145121ea-1f3d-4e55-a3ab-
> a450ce...@t6g2000pba.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Mar 23, 5:29 am, "$27 TRILLION to pay for Kyoto"

>> <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Their Earth Explorer, in addition to being used to promote the hoax of

>>> AGW, is being used to find more oil. Nice to see some balance at that
>>> decrepit organization.
>>
>> its called earth observations, are you claiming we should understand
>> other planets better than our own?
>>
>
> Give the task to other organizations, NOT NASA.

That may be worth considering AFTER you can name some other
organizations that are currently successful at putting earth-observing
satellites in orbit.

[Robert Miles]

On 3/27/2012 11:11 AM, Brad Guth wrote:
> On Mar 25, 8:19 pm, Rich<n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> Brad Guth<bradg...@gmail.com> wrote innews:8763ba50-a94c-4cce...@pg6g2000pbb.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 23, 10:41 pm, Rich<n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> columbiaaccidentinvestigation
>>>> <columbiaaccidentinvestigat...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>> news:145121ea-1f3d-4e55-a3ab-
>>>> a450ceaf0...@t6g2000pba.googlegroups.com:

>>
>>>>> On Mar 23, 5:29 am, "$27 TRILLION to pay for Kyoto"
>>>>> <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote:

[snip]
> Hydrogen is still unlimited, and it's essentially as renewable as
> oxygen. Carbon is not essential to creating good amounts of energy,
> much less capable of clean energy, and otherwise a much smaller global
> carbon footprint of perhaps 10% is technically doable.

The oceans are full of a combined form of hydrogen and oxygen, but that
form is not a good source of energy. The sun and most stars are mostly
hydrogen, but still out of our reach.

Where do you get the energy for freeing hydrogen from the many other
elements it combines with? I haven't seen any mention of a significant
natural source of free hydrogen anywhere on Earth.

If this BOINC project ever starts doing much again, you may want to
connect your computer to it to see if you can help them find a cheaper
way of freeing hydrogen:

http://hydrogenathome.org/hydrogen/

Or, if you prefer, you can start studying computer programming and
Linux, then move close t0e them, and volunteer your time to help them
get past the problems they're currently having with writing good
software for their project.

> Why are you and others of your oligarch sucking kind always so opposed
> to creating and using hydrogen peroxide?

Who are you writing to? I haven't heard of any major group opposed
to creating hydrogen peroxide, only a lack of a significant natural
source for it, and a requirement for energy to create it artificially.

> Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”

Robert Miles