The CRU hack: Context
Sam Wormley
Sam Wormley
Also interesting: Something Is X in the State of Denmark
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/11/something-is-x-in-the-state-of-denmark/
oriel36
Crash,burn trainwreck !.
The thing about this episode is that it destroyed the normal progress
of pollution concerns so the people who promoted carbon dioxide as a
global temperature dial with all guns blazing have ended up creating
a bigger mess,I assume the wider population who are expected to foot
the bill for this scandal have merely had their suspicions fulfilled.
I chose the target audience of sci.astro.amateur for specific reasons
rather than go through institutions and organisations and my choice
has been effectively correct.
Sam Wormley
In the meantime, the earth warms, oceans rise and ice melts.
oriel36
Naughty,naughty !. nobody has a clue what caused the global
temperature spike and its recent subsidence,what I can say is that
even the basic temperature fluctuations over the course of an annual
orbit are not understood (as it is the orbital dynamic in tandem with
daily rotation that causes latitudinal highs and low) I can't get one
person to recognise that the specifics of orbital motion cause the
temperature variations,even with time lapse footage and modern imaging
in support and I find that truly remarkable,not so much you and the
rest of the empiricists,but people who claim to like astronomy.
'
Bruce
news:5WQQm.152570$5n1.78181@attbi_s21:
Uhm, did anyone tell Sam that realclimate is run by Mann?
Sam Wormley
Most of the worlds climatologist have a pretty dang good idea
what's going on Gerald. Ever hear of greenhouse gases? They tend
to keep some of the incoming heat from radiating back out into
space.
Humans have been pumping greenhouse gases into the environment
since the industrial revolution... and humans have been systematically
reducing carbon sinks (deforestation). So what did you expect?
Nothing to happen?
Climate Change Is Inevitable — It’s Time to Adapt
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/11/st_essay_globalwarming/
'National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, C02 that’s already in the air or in the
pipeline will stoke “irreversible” warming for the next 1,000 years. Any scheme cobbled
together in Copenhagen for slowing—forget reversing—the growth of greenhouse gases will be
way too little, way too late. In the apt jargon of industry, a hotter planet is already
“baked in.” James Lovelock, the British chemist who redubbed Mother Earth as “Gaia,” tells
the ungilded truth: Can we hit a carbon Undo button? “Not a hope in hell.”'
On Climate Data, Trends and Peer Review
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/30/more-on-the-climate-files-and-climate-trends/
"The reverberations continue from what the University of East Anglia says was the illegal
dissemination of thousands of files from its Climatic Research Unit (CRU). Over the
weekend university officials put out an update saying 95 percent of the raw land-surface
temperature data in question have been available to scientists and skeptics for several
years, although Roger A. Pielke Jr. of the University of Colorado, Boulder, said he was
told differently as recently as August. (Realclimate.org posted the locations of various
data sets.)"
Sam Wormley
> Sam Wormley <swor...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>> The CRU hack
>> http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/11/the-cru-hack/
>>
>> The CRU hack: Context
>> http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/11/the-cru-hack-context/
>
> Uhm, did anyone tell Sam that realclimate is run by Mann?
See: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2004/12/about/
Take a look and see where the content comes from... hundreds of
contributors.
Beef Yerkes
"Sam Wormley" <swor...@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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Rich
Pfft! You out a tobacco company for lying, every do-gooder leftwinger is
your best friend, the media is all over it. You out some opportunistic
global warmers and the media runs for cover. Thank GOD for the internet.
oriel36
> oriel36 wrote:
> > On Nov 30, 8:22 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
> >> In the meantime, the earth warms, oceans rise and ice melts.
>
> > Naughty,naughty !. nobody has a clue what caused the global
> > temperature spike and its recent subsidence,what I can say is that
> > even the basic temperature fluctuations over the course of an annual
> > orbit are not understood (as it is the orbital dynamic in tandem with
> > daily rotation that causes latitudinal highs and low) I can't get one
> > person to recognise that the specifics of orbital motion cause the
> > temperature variations,even with time lapse footage and modern imaging
> > in support and I find that truly remarkable,not so much you and the
> > rest of the empiricists,but people who claim to like astronomy.
>
> Most of the worlds climatologist have a pretty dang good idea
> what's going on Gerald. Ever hear of greenhouse gases? They tend
> to keep some of the incoming heat from radiating back out into
> space.
You don't get it,a community that cannot explain the annual
latitudinal temperature variations through planetary dynamics has no
business drawing these carbon dioxide conclusions.'Climate change/
carbon dioxide' is merely the symptom of the empirical problem and
while many express opinions about the symptoms,I deal with the late
17th century root cause which begins with the loss of the most basic
planetary information of all - the correlation between 24 hours and
planetary geometry organised around the Earth's rotational
characteristics.
The way you are wrong is based on the unlimited choices you give
yourselves to make observations fit the conclusions,these climate e-
mail leaks are no more than I expected for those reasons,but all this
began when Isaac tried to fit a square peg into a round hole by
attempting to work planetary orbital dynamics into a calendar based Ra/
Dec system.
The sheer lack of authority and direction is the most immediate
problem,not the empiricists,not the politicians and not the media but
genuine people who now know that empiricism wrecked the link between
planetary dynamics and terrestrial effects at the most basic level and
that is the real scandal.
Sam Wormley
>
> You don't get it,a community that cannot explain the annual
> latitudinal temperature variations through planetary dynamics has no
> business drawing these carbon dioxide conclusions.
I think we should rewrite the sentence saying: Because Gerald
cannot understand seasonal weather changes, we cannot expect him
to understand global climate change either.
oriel36
It is not a surprise that nobody else can interpret the fascinating
way a planet orbits the central Sun insofar as aside from the daily
rotation to the Sun,a planet,including ours,turns 360 degrees to the
central Sun and takes 365 days 5 hours 49 minutes to do so,that is
what causes the seasonal variation and the variations in the natural
noon cycle when allied with constant daily rotation.
http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/1999/11/video/b
Far removed from the hyperfuss of carbon dioxide are the great
principles of planetary dynamics which govern global climate and set
the background for hemispherical weather patterns and I am honored to
work among the works of the great astronomers and their works in
modifying what is necessary and correcting what is wrong and
especially the works of Copernicus and Kepler.
The physical considerations involved in extracting the orbital
specific from the time lapse footage of Uranus rely on minds which are
not dull and have an eye on the terrestrial effects emanating from
exploring it in tandem with daily rotation whereas all you can hope
for is to circle the wagons around empiricism and its late 17th
century roots.
Bruce
Still run by Mann and he will filter anything put there.
Sam Wormley
> Sam Wormley <swor...@mchsi.com> wrote in
> news:zpXQm.153072$5n1.78324@attbi_s21:
>
>> Bruce wrote:
>>> Sam Wormley <swor...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The CRU hack
>>>> http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/11/the-cru-hack
>>>> /
>>>>
>>>> The CRU hack: Context
>>>> http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/11/the-cru-hack
>>>> -context/
>>> Uhm, did anyone tell Sam that realclimate is run by Mann?
>>
>> See: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2004/12/about/
>>
>> Take a look and see where the content comes from... hundreds of
>> contributors.
>>
>>
>
> Still run by Mann and he will filter anything put there.
Evidence?