911 sun angle question
u2...@gmx.net
Just wondering if the author used the correct azimuth and altitude ...
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/prod/dialspace/town/pipexdsl/q/aqrf00/ggua175/
IMHO his amazing discovery is
a) very hard to accept
b) the physics leave no room for doubt
... the pictures of UA175 hitting the south tower are fake.
feel free to reject out of hand. That's what I did (at first).
Chris L Peterson
>feel free to reject out of hand. That's what I did (at first).
As you well should have. Amazing how much time these wackos have on
their hands to produce silly analyses. Most silly of all is the belief
that holograms can be projected.
_________________________________________________
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
William Hamblen
I think that people who indulge in this sort of thing either
a) have some delusion
or
b) have some sinister motive
I am not kidding.
u2...@gmx.net
I like to be tolerant.
Anyway, all I was really asking was
did he get the angles right?
Because if he did... its is truely spooky how the port wing could have
been shown shadowed.
Michal
>
> Because if he did... its is truely spooky how the port wing could have
> been shown shadowed.
>
FO with your moon hoax mentality!!!
u2...@gmx.net
> holograms can be projected.
what are holograms, please?
I think what he meant was that there would have been a real-world
component.
The RICK SIEGEL show many helicopters. One emitted an very bright
light, like from a projector.
I don't want to get under your skin, but it is now fairly well
established that the 3 (!) WTC towers were demolished with explosives.
Just a few days ago this documentary was released that shows the
unmistakable evidence.
If you ignore that, I am sorry for you.
If you refuse to see it, you are like the germans in 1930s who
preferred to not see the going-ons, but thereby became guilty in not
stopping further crimes.
I am truly sorry if I offend you, but you will think better of me after
you watched this documentary:
(you see, after the WTC-murder the cgi-fake planes don't seem so
outlandish anymore.. just think deception, perception management,
hollywood...)
Michal
>
> I think that people who indulge in this sort of thing either
>
> a) have some delusion
>
> or
>
> b) have some sinister motive
>
> I am not kidding.
>
I think that people who just believe what they see and what they are told
need a lot of help...
but that's just me.
There is no way a Boeing 757 could have hit the pentagon and left hardly any
wreckage. The damage profile is all suspect too!
Stick this in your pipe a while too
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801
don't be affraid!
u2...@gmx.net
Fuck Off?
Michal,
do I detect anti-free-speech mentality?
I sympathize with you though. (that'll make you mad!)
Moon hoax, crop circles, astrology ... I wish they would go away, too.
Chris L Peterson
>what are holograms, please?
Holograms are virtual images resulting from the transmission or
reflection of light from a phase modifying plate. You can only see them
by looking directly at a physical object like a piece of film. They
cannot be projected except in Star Wars (the movie, not the defense
project).
<silliness snipped>
Joe S.
<u2...@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:1149029091.7...@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
When first I read this post I was tempted to reply. Then I recalled a
conversation I had many years ago with my ol' granddaddy.
Granddad dropped out of school before the 8th grade after his father died so
he could support his mother and siblings. Although he lacked formal
education, he was a man of great wisdom and insight.
He was well respected in his (deep south Mississippi) community where he was
a leader in church, business, and community affairs. He read three
newspapers every day, listened to the radio in the mornings and evenings,
and read books of all topics.
One day way back in the early 1950's when I was a gawky young lad prone to
"mischief," Granddad was sitting on the front porch in his rocking chair,
reading his Bible and drinking coffee. I was doing my usual damn fool
something when he called me up and asked me to sit in the rocker next to
him. I did.
Granddad sipped his coffee, closed his Bible and said to me: "Son, you got
to stop going out in the barnyard and wrasslin' with the pigs."
"But, Granddad . . . " I protested.
"Now son, you just got to stop it."
"But why, Granddad?"
"Well, you see, son, when you wrassle with a pig, everybody gets dirty, you
don't solve a thing, but the pig just loves it."
u2...@gmx.net
weird impact at a weird location made by weird people and while there
must be 100 cameras around, its so weird that only two cameras with
lame frame rates detected some wierd going-ons. (The white-hot
explosion-fireball shows serious grade explosives, not jet fuel, [lamp
oil].)
My favourite is the FASTER THAN LIGHT conspiracy:
u2...@gmx.net
Fine, then, Joe..
stay clean, don't engage with pigs.
The Nazis thought of jews the same way. No need to investigate their
claims.
Michal
"Chris L Peterson" <c...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote in message
news:soqp72585tt4u19f8...@4ax.com...
> On 30 May 2006 17:20:59 -0700, u2...@gmx.net wrote:
>
>>what are holograms, please?
>
> Holograms are virtual images resulting from the transmission or
> reflection of light from a phase modifying plate. You can only see them
> by looking directly at a physical object like a piece of film. They
> cannot be projected except in Star Wars (the movie, not the defense
> project).
not exactly true. There was a show I saw recently that implied holograms
can be projected
Maybe you should crwal out of your horse blinder cave and smell the coffee
u2...@gmx.net
Re: jaw-dropping evidence of 911-inside job:
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/prod/dialspace/town/pipexdsl/q/aqrf00/ggua175/
I think that he is right and a large number of phenomena
do not correspond to expected physical reality.
- the incorrect doppler effect in the airplane noise recording
- the missing "turning of heads" when such a large airliner approached,
flying low.
- the absence of any airplane frame crumpling
- the absence of the WTC shadow on the airplane.
.. there is plenty more
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/prod/dialspace/town/pipexdsl/q/aqrf00/ggua175/
==== stop reading here ====
TO THE CORRESPONDENTS in news:///sci.astro.amateur
I thought we astronomically minded people could approach apparent
miracles with scientific nosyness.
Instead, here in this group, we get an instant confirmation of human
arrogance and ignorance.
Whats the matter?
Do you feel threatened? Are you afraid of being accused of heresy?
Look, if you have a job to loose, kids to feed, a mortgage to pay.. I
understand.
JUST have the guts to SAY SO.
In the USA and Canada it is quite likely that your career is cut short
if you touch the 911-taboo. Anyone who believes that 911 was engineered
by the US military will be labelled a heretic. Just mention the word
Israel and you are a believer of the 4000-jews-were-warned-myth, and
therefore an anti-semite or a self-hating jew.
Don't even THINK to read the physics-professor Steven Jones analysis of
the WTC collapses that concludes that they were demolished with
explosives and thermite.
http://st911.org << scientiests please take note
Do not show this film to others. Do not get caught downloading it.
50meg fullscreen-quality feature length documentary
BandWidthSaving Torrent: http://www.mininova.org/tor/315997
Player-programme (Real Player 10 GOLD, free, 8mB):
http://forms.real.com/real/realone/realone.html
wg
Joe S.
<u2...@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:1149038709.5...@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
You need a new hat:
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/
Chris L Peterson
>not exactly true. There was a show I saw recently that implied holograms
>can be projected
No kidding... a show you saw. And an implication. Wow.
George
<u2...@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:1149038265....@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> Let us not discuss what hit the pentagon. Suffice to say that it is a
> weird impact at a weird location made by weird people and while there
> must be 100 cameras around, its so weird that only two cameras with
> lame frame rates detected some wierd going-ons. (The white-hot
> explosion-fireball shows serious grade explosives, not jet fuel, [lamp
> oil].)
Those who believe this load of crap have not seen a large explosion of JP-1
fuel, and have no idea what they are talking about.
George
Michal
>
> Those who believe this load of crap have not seen a large explosion of
> JP-1 fuel, and have no idea what they are talking about.
>
> George
Oh, and you do?? How much energy can possibly be produced to vaporize?
That's what you are implying...vaporization...it would take the confined
energy of a
starship phaser to vaporize a 757...
lal_truckee
> On 30 May 2006 15:44:51 -0700, u2...@gmx.net wrote:
>
>> feel free to reject out of hand. That's what I did (at first).
>
> As you well should have. Amazing how much time these wackos have on
> their hands to produce silly analyses. Most silly of all is the belief
> that holograms can be projected.
I can understand wackos with too much time (after all, their life focus
is obviously trivial and boring, leaving much free time) but why do they
think astronomers would be interested? My personal theory is they are in
awe of us major brains who can comprehend math and science and such
truck, and seek our approval just as kindergarteners do.
Fred J. McCall
:Anyone who believes that 911 was engineered
:by the US military will be labelled a heretic.
No, anyone who believes that 911 was engineered by the US military
will be labeled a fucking loon. They will be labeled that because
they ARE a fucking loon and if the shoe fits....
Goodbye, Loon.
<plonk>
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
SZumbo
I will never forget seeing American Airlines Flight 191 crash on takeoff at
Chicago O'Hare airport years ago: It left virtually nothing resembling an
airplane, just a black scar on the ground. I remarked over and over as the
news images replayed on live TV: the plane had practically vaporized. It
was going much slower than the planes that hit the WTC, but was fully
fueled.
Steve
Michal
"SZumbo" <zumb...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:xbqdnS_ZFqgihODZ...@comcast.com...
You weren't there ...you saw a short TV clip..very unreliable...you are
speaking as if you were there.
They showed the crash ..NOT the aftermath. You just made some ambiguous
conclusions about it after TV.
Starlord
lives not only in the plane but in the building too. With photoshop you can
make all kinds of changes to an image to fit your garbage.
--
The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond
Telescope Buyers FAQ
http://home.inreach.com/starlord
Sidewalk Astronomy
www.sidewalkastronomy.info
Astronomy Net Online Gift Shop
http://www.cafepress.com/astronomy_net
In Garden Online Gift Shop
http://www.cafepress.com/ingarden
Blast Off Online Gift Shop
http://www.cafepress.com/starlords
Astro Blog
http://starlord.bloggerteam.com/
<u2...@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:1149041079.5...@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Starlord
Island of Hawaii and jump into the main vent of the volcano, after all that
lava is not real either.
--
The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond
Telescope Buyers FAQ
http://home.inreach.com/starlord
Sidewalk Astronomy
www.sidewalkastronomy.info
Astronomy Net Online Gift Shop
http://www.cafepress.com/astronomy_net
In Garden Online Gift Shop
http://www.cafepress.com/ingarden
Blast Off Online Gift Shop
http://www.cafepress.com/starlords
Astro Blog
http://starlord.bloggerteam.com/
<u2...@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:1149038265....@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
T.T.
If there isn't a newsgroup called
"alt.mindless-damfool-all-purpose-conspiracy-theory-dumping-place-for
ignorant-uncomprehending-whackos", there should be.
George
"Michal" <mi...@cbe.com> wrote in message news:FJ7fg.148$I61.81@clgrps13...
Actually, I do. I've worked as an OSHA certified HAZMAT worker and HAZMAT
emergency response site manager for 16 years, much of that time as a
contractor for the petroleum industry. And no it certainly wouldn't take
such a science fiction amount of energy to vaporize a 757, because first of
all, the plane wasn't vaporized - it disintigrated in the impact.
Secondly, much of the resulting debris was consumed in the fire.
Much of that airplane is aluminum and plastic. Take an aluminum can, place
it into a very hot camp fire, and watch it be consumed before your very
eyes. Aluminum oxydizes rapidly in the presence of atmospheric air (in
fact, when it was first identified as an element, it was kept in a sealed,
airtight container for fear that it would completely oxydize). The only
reason why it doesn't completely oxydize while sitting in air is because
the oxydation process rapidly forms a layer of AlO2 on the surface, which
protects it from further oxydation. In a large inferno such as occurred in
the after math of the Pentagon attack, the aluminum would be consumed
rapidly. Oh, and by the way, the 757 did not completely vaporize. Any
plane flying at nearly full speed and striking a hardened building such as
the Pentagon is going to disintegrate practically on impact. Much of what
is left will be consumed in the fire. However, there were plenty of small
parts left in the wreckage of the Pentagon. Of course, the plastic was
consumed as well.
But don't let the facts stop you from making a complete ass our of
yourself. If you had taken some science courses instead of spending all
your time at political rallies when you went to school (and on conspiracy
theory web sites as an immature adult), you might actually have learned
something about chemistry, physics, and fuel explosions.
George
George
Aluminum is very reactive. In a very hot fire, such as in a jetliner
crash, most of the aluminum will be consumed. So will the plastic, which is
what most of the interior of the plane is composed of. And Jets don't get
vaporized. They disintegrate on impact, and then in the intense heat of
the fuel fire, the oxydation reaction takes over with respect to the
aluminum skin and structure, converting the aluminum to AlO2, much of it
crumbling to powder if the fuel burns long enough and hot enough.
George
u2...@gmx.net
> yourself. If you had taken some science courses instead of spending all
> your time at political rallies when you went to school (and on conspiracy
> theory web sites as an immature adult), you might actually have learned
> something about chemistry, physics, and fuel explosions.
hehe .. you forgot dope-smoking ;-)
George, please zoom through these Peer-reviewed papers:
Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?
by Steven E. Jones, Ph.D. (reader comments)
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
and
The Destruction of the World Trade Center:
Why the Official Account Cannot Be True
by David Ray Griffin, Ph.D.
http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html
and let us know what you first impression is, Thanks.
u2...@gmx.net
> crash, most of the aluminum will be consumed. So will the plastic, which is
Very good explanation. This would also explain why very little wreckage
was
found underground the crash-site of UA93 in Shanksville.
http://images.google.com/images?q=shanksville
The conspiracy theorists explain the tiny amount of airplane fragments
and the disappearance of all human bodies with, wait for this:
clean plutonium mini-nukes and
planted evidence!!
u2...@gmx.net
Starlord wrote:
> Nothing but hogwash and bull s*it, tell that to the people who lost their
> lives not only in the plane but in the building too. With photoshop you can
> make all kinds of changes to an image to fit your garbage.
true. But showing footage that we all saw that morning, and then never
again
is pretty honest in my book. Anyway.. You will have to see it for
yourself.
Godspeed
> 50meg fullscreen-quality feature length documentary
http://www.911podcasts.com/files/video/whatsthetruth/911_WTC_demolition_analysis--WhatsTheTruth-HowIndeedDidTheTwinTowersCollapse.rmvb
Eugene Griessel
>
>Starlord wrote:
>
>> Nothing but hogwash and bull s*it, tell that to the people who lost their
>> lives not only in the plane but in the building too. With photoshop you can
>> make all kinds of changes to an image to fit your garbage.
>
>true. But showing footage that we all saw that morning, and then never
>again
>is pretty honest in my book. Anyway.. You will have to see it for
>yourself.
It must be something they put in the water in the USA. You have some
of the finest loons and nuts in the world.
Eugene L Griessel
RELIGION, n. A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance
the nature of the Unknowable.
George
<u2...@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:1149056895.7...@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
That should give you a clue that these people are a testicle short of a
full nut sack.
George
Starlord
cameras of the plane hitting the DOD building, camera takes one photo every
3 seconds, in the first photo you can see the nose of the plane, the 2nd one
shows the fireball from the crash.
I have always figured that these people that don't belive in what happened
don't have the brain power to know how to wipe their own as* after taking a
sh*t.
And what makes it worst is that they just have to spill their brainless
garbage onto newsgroups where the subject is totaly 100% OFF TOPIC. That's
why I'll not see this dipsticks post unless someone wastes some bandwith and
quotes it back as I have already added them to my killfile.
--
The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond
Telescope Buyers FAQ
http://home.inreach.com/starlord
Sidewalk Astronomy
www.sidewalkastronomy.info
Astronomy Net Online Gift Shop
http://www.cafepress.com/astronomy_net
In Garden Online Gift Shop
http://www.cafepress.com/ingarden
Blast Off Online Gift Shop
http://www.cafepress.com/starlords
Astro Blog
http://starlord.bloggerteam.com/
"Eugene Griessel" <eugene@dynagen..co..za> wrote in message
news:447d3a0f...@news.uunet.co.za...
Starlord
plane crashs and they show that planes go off with a very big BANG. Also
remember, the wing fuel tanks are NOT the full fuel supply, theirs a LOT of
fuel in tanks in the BODY of the plan too. When you fly, your flying in a
death trap with fuel all around you.
--
The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond
Telescope Buyers FAQ
http://home.inreach.com/starlord
Sidewalk Astronomy
www.sidewalkastronomy.info
Astronomy Net Online Gift Shop
http://www.cafepress.com/astronomy_net
In Garden Online Gift Shop
http://www.cafepress.com/ingarden
Blast Off Online Gift Shop
http://www.cafepress.com/starlords
Astro Blog
http://starlord.bloggerteam.com/
" George" <geo...@wtfiswrongwithyou.com> wrote in message
news:LbqdnTZHNNmGreDZ...@insightbb.com...
George
<u2...@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:1149056505.0...@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> But don't let the facts stop you from making a complete ass our of
>> yourself. If you had taken some science courses instead of spending all
>> your time at political rallies when you went to school (and on
>> conspiracy
>> theory web sites as an immature adult), you might actually have learned
>> something about chemistry, physics, and fuel explosions.
>
> hehe .. you forgot dope-smoking ;-)
>
> George, please zoom through these Peer-reviewed papers:
>
> Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?
> by Steven E. Jones, Ph.D. (reader comments)
> http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
>
Can you say Fleischmann and Pons? What is it about Utah Physicists that
they always give this stuff so wrong? I've seen Dr. Jones's video, and
it's laughable. No doubt he has tenure, or they would have axed his arse
for being an embarrassment to the University.
>
> The Destruction of the World Trade Center:
> Why the Official Account Cannot Be True
> by David Ray Griffin, Ph.D.
> http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html
>
> and let us know what you first impression is, Thanks.
I've seen this bs as well. He's professor emeritus of philosophy of
religion and theology, at the Claremont School of Theology. How does that
qualify him to evaluate engineering issues with regard to 9/11? Answer:
It doesn't.
George