Markus Ludes banned from TEC group
Ratboy99
>choice.
>Yuri.
>
Yup,
Markus decided to continue it in my email.
rat
~( );>
email: remove 'et' from .com(et) in above email address
TMBack
> Got a question for you, as I know you are one of the
>few people I know that can correctly answer my
>questions about anything Clave.
>
>Well, I have gotten a response to my Wanted 3mm
>Clave Ad, and a seller wishes to sell a 3mm, but it's in
>a 27mm Dia. barrel, with a 1-1/4" adapter bushing.
>Didn't they also do a 3mm Clave in a regular 1-1/4"
>barrel too?
Yes, they did make the 3mm Clave in a 1.25" barrel.
>It really hate to have this one oddball eyepiece in with
>the rest of my 1-1/4", and 2" collection.
There is another problem. Almost all the early Clave's
(27mm) were MgF2 coated, not multicoated. If you do
decide to purchase it, check to see what the coatings
are.
>It's very doubtful I will purchase it anyway, as the seller
>is asking $350 for this eyepiece, and this is way too
>high IMO.
That is too high.
>Even $250 is a very healthy price for one, but I would
>probably pay it, if a pristine example in 1-1/4" would
>come along. Any help would be appreciated Tom.
A pristine 3mm Clave in the 1 1/4" barrel, is worth around
$250 to $275.
>Also, I'd like to ask too how you are getting along? Has
>your back pain improved any?
Yes, my neck is getting much better. Thanks for your concern.
Thomas Back
ValeryD
> >>>When Markus Ludes was banned from TEC group >>
> >
> >Was he being a bad boy again? Did they send him to bed without supper?
>
> I read that when Yuri put up a public notification list for prospective
> purchasers of future models of TEC apos in larger sizes (160mm, 180mm), Markus
> apparently mistook it to be a notification list for his own telescopes and
> started contacting the interested parties himself (this is purely hearsay and
> no factual basis has been established by myself). Those pesky Russians, you
> never know what is going to happen next!
> rat
> ~( );>
Rat, ass,
You may be don't know, that Markus is german and Yuri and his team are
russuans in their genesis. I am doubt, that Yuri, his team or me (I am
russian too) ever were pesky for you.
Please, don't touch the "nationalism" theme. Speak of Markus only.
V.D.
Curtis Croulet
> (27mm) were MgF2 coated, not multicoated. If you do
> decide to purchase it, check to see what the coatings
> are.
Should I care? I have 25 mm and 12 mm Claves with the oddball barrel size, made
around 1970. The 12 has greater contrast than my 13 mm Tele Vue Plössl and 12.5
mm Nikon ortho.
--
Curtis Croulet
Temecula, California
33° 27' 59"N, 117° 05' 53"W
Howie Glatter
> I've seen Markus lately. He hasn't missed many suppers
> tee hee.
People who live in glass houses should not throw, or get stoned.
Howie
Mathias Homann
TMBack wrote:
> Rat,
>
>> as far as I am concerned Marks Lures is an Ass, plain
>> and simple
>
> Not really. He is an overaggressive salesman. If anyone
> has to deal with him, it is me. I think you would find him
> friendly in person.
>
> Thomas Back
not really.
If we're talking about the same M.L. from south-western Germany, anyone ever
been to his shop as a _paying_ customer? You feel like you're disturbing
him.
Besides, I could possibly provide a link to a thread in a german astronomy
board where he flames a guy to death about optics and stuff, saying that he
knows more about optics than that guy (with that guy being head developer in
the binoc department at zeiss).
anyhow, I try to avoid business with him.
bye,
[L]
TMBack
>not really.
>
>If we're talking about the same M.L. from south-western
>Germany, anyone ever been to his shop as a _paying_
>customer? You feel like you're disturbing him.
I don't know how his treats his local customers. But if
it is the way you say it is, he is only hurting his own
business.
>Besides, I could possibly provide a link to a thread in a
>german astronomy board where he flames a guy to
>death about optics and stuff, saying that he knows
>more about optics than that guy (with that guy being
>head developer in the binoc department at zeiss).
That is not good to hear. I'll have to ask Markus about
this.
>anyhow, I try to avoid business with him.
I understand, if a person/company does not have
customer service at the top of their list, you should
go to another source.
Thomas Back
TMBack
>the oddball barrel size, made around 1970. The 12 has
>greater contrast than my 13 mm Tele Vue Plössl and
>12.5 mm Nikon ortho.
>--
>Curtis Croulet
Curtis,
No, of course not. All the Clave's are superior eyepieces,
regardless if they are the new or old style. They were my
top choice until the Pentax SMC and Zeiss orthos came
out. I only pointed out that some of the older model
Clave's are not multicoated, and as Mark is a collector,
I'm sure he would want to know this information.
Thomas Back
Markus Ludes
yes we discussed all by phone and closed it between us. But since this
point was now brought to the s.a.a. , its time to clear up anything here
from your side.You told me you received a message showing that I or a
dealer of mine took phone numbers and email adresse from your webside
after WSP to contact this customers and convince them to buy a TMB
instead of a TEC scope.
I was busy all the time after WSP and could not read many yahoogroups,
so the first I heard that I was banned was your email 2 days ago. I
didn't understand what happened and what was going on, until you
explaine me the reason.
I informed you that I not looked to such place on your group and not
took any phone or email to contact your customers. I told you what
dealers maybe doing is out of my controll and not interested for me very
much. I asked you to contact the customer who told you the storry and to
ask him, has it really 惑een me or a dealer who sell our products.I
asked you to get a email to show to me, where this customer say that,
which is not tru and so your spreadet a lie on your group. I asked you
to clarify that and post a apology for me on your group.
All you did is discuss with me and close, but your words are responser
for the answeres I got in privast mail from rat and not seeing here.
So again , I did not made anything you posted on your group in past days
, again ask that boy who said that , was it me or a dealer and than show
us here on public the real copy of the answere please.
Nothing is worser than trying to make a poor reputation of a competitor
by a big public lie.
waiting with interested the proove of you wrong info
best wishes
Markus
"Yuri" <yp...@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:6ea29974.03022...@posting.google.com
> ratb...@aol.comet (Ratboy99) wrote in message news:<20030224142959...@mb-dh.aol.com>...
> Those pesky Russians, you
> > never know what is going to happen next!
> > rat
>
> Next already happened, Bill.
> I discussed all questions with Markus and ask all members on a group
> do not continue this issue and I removed all related messages from the
> group.
> If someone wants to continue in a different place - it is his own
> choice.
> Yuri.
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Markus Ludes
and allows me still to run every week a few times 10 km, drive some
bycicle, lift some heavy Apos and Maks , not as big maks as Yuri lift,
but not to small too
But do you all know what ? It seems I be a very interested person,
because from my experience I know nobody talking about nobody, this
makes me feel real happy, thanks again
markus
"Chris1011" <chri...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030224173714...@mb-mq.aol.com
> >>>Did they send him to bed without supper?
>
> According to Gary Hand, it seems not. How you say?
> You saw him at the WSP. :-)
> >>
>
> I would say he lost some weight since the last time I saw him about 5 years
> ago. He seemed to be in pretty good shape.
>
> Roland Christen
Markus Ludes
news:20030225101605...@mb-fu.aol.com
> Mathias Homann,
>
>
> >Besides, I could possibly provide a link to a thread in a
> >german astronomy board where he flames a guy to
> >death about optics and stuff, saying that he knows
> >more about optics than that guy (with that guy being
> >head developer in the binoc department at zeiss).
>
> That is not good to hear. I'll have to ask Markus about
> this.
Tom, hearing something is one thing, but reading what some expert guys
writing another storry as you know
And dont worry about me and my business, its since 1995 increasing year
by year for 20~ 40% with amateurs and proffesionells, so i cannot be as
bad as some guys saying, otherwise my company would be long time dead.
Its just a mater of fact, that no dealer in the world can make any
single customer in the world real happy, thats all
Markus
>
> >anyhow, I try to avoid business with him.
>
> I understand, if a person/company does not have
> customer service at the top of their list, you should
> go to another source.
>
> Thomas Back
Lunar-Observing
In the deepest and darkest portion of the unexplored jungle lived a vicious
tribe that constantly waged war on their neighbors. The king of this tribe
lived in a two-story grass house. Every day he would sit on his throne and
plot his next battle. And with every battle came another victory. And with
each victory, he would take the throne of the defeated king and place it in
his attic. Eventually he build up a huge collection of thrones from defeated
kings. In fact, the collection grew so large that the weight of the thrones
caused his grass house to collapse, killing the vicious king. Of course, the
moral of the story is that people who live in grass houses shouldn't store
thrones!
<groan>
Chuck Taylor
Do you observe the moon?
Check out the Lunar-Observing Group at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lunar-observing/
Home of the Lunar-Feature-of-the-Month,
and in-depth preparation for your observing.
TMBack
>some expert guys writing another storry as you know
Markus,
Sure, I know that. I just wanted to hear your side of the
story.
>And dont worry about me and my business, its since
>1995 increasing year by year for 20~ 40% with
>amateurs and proffesionells, so i cannot be as bad as
>some guys saying, otherwise my company would be
>long time dead.
Again, you know I know that.
>Its just a mater of fact, that no dealer in the world can
>make any single customer in the world real happy,
>thats all
That is, for sure, a fact. There will always be a situation
where the two parties (the customer and business)
cannot come to an agreement. I was just pointing out
that a company should have good customer service.
Thomas Back
John Stolz
news:vc5f3b...@celebrimbor.eregion.net...
>
>
> TMBack wrote:
> > Rat,
> >
> >> as far as I am concerned Marks Lures is an Ass, plain
> >> and simple
> >
> > Not really. He is an overaggressive salesman. If anyone
> > has to deal with him, it is me. I think you would find him
> > friendly in person.
> >
> > Thomas Back
>
> not really.
>
> If we're talking about the same M.L. from south-western Germany, anyone
ever
> been to his shop as a _paying_ customer?
>You feel like you're disturbing him.
Not my impression at all.
>
> Besides, I could possibly provide a link to a thread in a german astronomy
> board where he flames a guy to death about optics and stuff, saying that
he
> knows more about optics than that guy (with that guy being head developer
in
> the binoc department at zeiss).
>
> anyhow, I try to avoid business with him.
>
> bye,
> [L]
>
>
Markus has a slightly abrasive manner which is compounded by a particular
take on the English language.
Most of the misunderstandings on usenet and groups which Markus get into
seem to be related to this as much as anything else
Before you judge him (and Valery for that matter) think about how you would
convey nuances of expression in nother language.
Tony Miller
Yes, he may not be perfect. Agressive salesman, yep. A fellow who
found items I could ever have found elsewhere, yep again. Always fair,
helpful and friendly to me. We all have our days, good and bad.
Some of you ought to be ashamed for your comments.
Regards, Tony Miller
Ratboy99
>Rat, ass,
>
>You may be don't know, that Markus is german and Yuri and his team are
>russuans in their genesis. I am doubt, that Yuri, his team or me (I am
>russian too) ever were pesky for you.
I forgot that Markus was German, and my "Russian" comment was strictly in jest.
After all I have a triplet refractor ordered from one of "the Russians" (Yuri),
so that should be good enough to show that I am only joking. Otherwise he might
be inclined to smash a bug between the elements.
Anyway, I thought there were no Russians, only Ukrainians, etc.
I must confess ignorance of the nuances of your culture, in general, but it
makes no difference anyway as I am not a bigot towards people of other cultures
(but perhaps I am bigotted towards dorks and dumb asses in general, of which I
am sure there are plenty in any country).
>Please, don't touch the "nationalism" theme. Speak of Markus only.
Sorry, I meant no offense towards your part of the world, I was speaking only
of Markus.
Ratboy99
>
My favorite had to be "greasing up the entrance to the vendor tent <at WSP> and
throwing in a Twinkie" to get him inside. I nearly fell off my damn chair.
Guess he has a lot of fans.
Markus, thanks for the laughs this week, you really have been a good sport
about it all.
Cover2Cover
>
> Markus has a slightly abrasive manner which is compounded by a particular
> take on the English language.
> Most of the misunderstandings on usenet and groups which Markus get into
> seem to be related to this as much as anything else
>
> Before you judge him (and Valery for that matter) think about how you would
> convey nuances of expression in nother language.
So John, when Valery calls me the "dirtiest lying piece of brown shit asshole",
I should just see that as a nuance of expression in another language.
Geez, thanks, for a minute there I thought he was insulting me.
- ih
Doug Peterson
apochromats to build your own scope without many years wait? Markus is
unique and a resource to the community.
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Bill Meyers
You have probably noticed all those big glass cases in pastry stores. This is
very inadvisable, because people who live in glass houses shouldn't stow scones.
Ciao,
Bill Meyers
ValeryD
First, I never called you exactly so. Secondly, I am glad to see, that you
know well who you really are. Thanks, I will keep it in mind.
V.D.
Cover2Cover
Afternoon Valery
Apologies, I may have mixed up the order of the adjectives... sometimes it's difficult to
get the correct nuance.
- ih
John Stolz
precision than is his norm.
I'll be honest, I couldn't manage such a specific expression in any slavic
language
George Anderson
George
"Chris1011" <chri...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >>When Markus Ludes was banned from TEC group >>
>
> Was he being a bad boy again? Did they send him to bed without supper?
>
> Roland Christen
Shneor Sherman
I've bought stuff from Markus, and I certainly have not had a problem
with his customer service - on the contrary. I've also enjoyed reading
some of his informative posts on optics topics. I've been amused by
flame wars he's occasionally been part of. I'd miss his posts if he
quit. Life's too short to take everything seriously.
Clear skies,
Shneor Sherman
Arthur M. Schneiderman
early 70's. Is there any easy way to identify the coating? Mine have a
purplish color in reflection.
"TMBack" <tmb...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030225002516...@mb-ci.aol.com...
Yuri
> Hi Yuri,
> yes we discussed all by phone and closed it between us. But since this
> from your side.
- Markus,
I just found your post addressed to me. If someone brought something
to saa, it does not obligate me to clear what ever has alredy been
cleared to you personally, but sounds like you are harly asking .
> You told me you received a message showing that I or a
> dealer of mine took phone numbers and email adresse from your webside
> after WSP to contact this customers and convince them to buy a TMB
> instead of a TEC scope.
- I did not say this, do not try make a case, if you are recommending
your scopes to your customers vs. mine, I would say - it is pretty
natural, BTW, I do recommend same brand when customer wants scope
asap.
> I was busy all the time after WSP and could not read many yahoogroups,
> so the first I heard that I was banned was your email 2 days ago. I
> didn't understand what happened and what was going on, until you
> explaine me the reason.
> I informed you that I not looked to such place on your group and not
> took any phone or email to contact your customers. I told you what
> dealers maybe doing is out of my controll and not interested for me very
> much. I asked you to contact the customer who told you the storry and to
> ask him, has it really 惑een me or a dealer who sell our products.I
> asked you to get a email to show to me, where this customer say that,
> which is not tru and so your spreadet a lie on your group.
- I think I explained you on a phone, that the end of relation
happened not in February, but it started by you a few years earlier
and was finalized in February. I did right things by remowing you from
the my group, knowing you for years I should do this much earlier. You
never was a friend to TEC, so what keept you in the Tec-scopes
group???, that discuss the scopes and optics of the company that you
were trying to sh.. on around the world for years. Your removing was
the same as a splinter removing from finger to avoid abscess. If the
warm is not taken from the apple on time, it becomes a batterfly, that
flying around and looking for more apples to deposit more pupas...
> I asked you
> to clarify that and post a apology for me on your group.
- I hope I clearified by phone and above and please take my
apology...., that I did not removed you earlier, that was a only
mistake.
> All you did is discuss with me and close, but your words are responser
> for the answeres I got in privast mail from rat and not seeing here.
- Markus, your private e-mails with anybody incl. cats, rats, mices,
etc.- are yours by determination.
> So again , I did not made anything you posted on your group in past days
> , again ask that boy who said that , was it me or a dealer and than show
> us here on public the real copy of the answere please.
- Markus, I removed you and messages related to you. If you realy
want, I can show "here on public" some real copies.... of your stuff
(accomulated for eyars), that caused your my action.
> Nothing is worser than trying to make a poor reputation of a competitor
> by a big public lie.
- I can't believe! Sounds the boy is getting smarter with an age? For
years you were using quite different slogan, would you like to see it
in .jpg files?
> waiting with interested the proove of you wrong info
> best wishes
> Markus
- Realy interested? and realy best wishes? Come on Markus, are you in
a mask of harmless sheep lost in the forein meadow? Take it off and
say real words.
Yuri.
Ratboy99
>> All you did is discuss with me and close, but your words are responser
>> for the answeres I got in privast mail from rat and not seeing here.
Yuri
>- Markus, your private e-mails with anybody incl. cats, rats, mices,
>etc.- are yours by determination.
Wait a minute.
I didn't say anything to Markus in private email or otherwise regarding the
issue of his being removed from the TEC group.
Not a word.
I simply directed him here when he suggested that I was somehow discussing him
behind his back and that is all.
Ratboy99
made some comments regarding same. I then received private email from Markus to
the effect that I would only talk behind his back after he was banned. So I am
dropping this note where he can read it to his face that as far as I am
concerned Markus Ludes is an Ass, plain and simple. BTW, this is just my
opinion, so please don't flame me (I am sure that many feel exactly the same
way about me). Sorry to take up the time and bandwidth on SAA, I know of no
other groups that Markus is allowed to post so I had to direct him here.
Good day,
Chris1011
Was he being a bad boy again? Did they send him to bed without supper?
Roland Christen
Ratboy99
>
>Was he being a bad boy again? Did they send him to bed without supper?
I read that when Yuri put up a public notification list for prospective
purchasers of future models of TEC apos in larger sizes (160mm, 180mm), Markus
apparently mistook it to be a notification list for his own telescopes and
started contacting the interested parties himself (this is purely hearsay and
no factual basis has been established by myself). Those pesky Russians, you
never know what is going to happen next!
Stephen Tonkin
>I know of no other groups that Markus is allowed to post
Try the [telescopesuk] yahoo group.
Best,
Stephen
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TMBack
>suppers
>tee hee.
>
>Gary
Gary,
Really? The last time I saw Markus, his wife had him
on a diet and exercise program. Is he a fat now?
Thomas Back
TMBack
>
>Was he being a bad boy again?
I'm sure he was. If TEC banned him, that's how it goes.
>Did they send him to bed without supper?
According to Gary Hand, it seems not. How you say?
You saw him at the WSP. :-)
Thomas Back
TMBack
>as far as I am concerned Marks Lures is an Ass, plain
Chris1011
According to Gary Hand, it seems not. How you say?
You saw him at the WSP. :-)
>>
I would say he lost some weight since the last time I saw him about 5 years
ago. He seemed to be in pretty good shape.
Roland Christen
Mark D'Ambrosio
Chris.B
> Those pesky Russians, you
> never know what is going to happen next!
> rat
> ~( )( );>
I thought Markus Ludes was German?
Chris.B
Mark D'Ambrosio
I know that can correctly answer my questions about anything Clave.
Well, I have gotten a response to my Wanted 3mm Clave Ad, and a seller
wishes to sell a 3mm, but it's in a 27mm Dia. barrel, with a 1-1/4"
adapter bushing.
Didn't they also do a 3mm Clave in a regular 1-1/4" barrel too? It
really hate to have this one oddball eyepiece in with the rest of my
1-1/4", and 2" collection.
It's very doubtful I will purchase it anyway, as the seller is asking
$350 for this eyepiece, and this is way too high IMO. Even $250 is a
very healthy price for one, but I would probably pay it, if a pristine
example in 1-1/4" would come along.
Any help would be appreciated Tom.
Also, I'd like to ask too how you are getting along? Has your back pain
improved any? Mark
Jim Coughlin
>
> Try the [telescopesuk] yahoo group.
telescopes suck? ;-)
Jim
Al
If you and Markus allow me to have the television rights, I'll offer my
place and a couple of first rate dueling pistols.:-)
Al
"Ratboy99" <ratb...@aol.comet> wrote in message
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Richard
>
> Try the [telescopesuk] yahoo group.
>
> Best,
> Stephen
It's got to make you smile hasn't it? Some of these newsgroups will
soon have bouncers on the door.
Richard
Cover2Cover
submission if they won't behave. We can arm him with a Traveler for the
really tough cases.
- ih
CHASLX200
>From: MarkDa...@webtv.net (Mark D'Ambrosio)
>Date: 2/24/2003 6:29 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <11199-3E...@storefull-2174.public.lawson.webtv.net>
Ouch! $350 for a used a 3mm Clave?
I sold a whole set for $1500, about 5 years ago...
Chas P.
Mark D'Ambrosio
friend Thomas Back was accidently posted to this group. I hit
"respond", instead of "Mail to". Not the first time I've done this!
:-)
None the less, I beleive no harm was done, and if you read this
post/question of mine Tom, I'm hoping that you, or someone else here
has an answer to my question about the 27mm and 1-1/4" 3mm Clave issue.
Thanks, Mark
Yuri
> never know what is going to happen next!
> rat
Next already happened, Bill.
I discussed all questions with Markus and ask all members on a group
do not continue this issue and I removed all related messages from the
group.
If someone wants to continue in a different place - it is his own
choice.
Yuri.
RichA
> I just had my first experience with him and I can say I'm not impressed.
> He screws up a shipment, and forgets to give information to handle clearance and delivery properly, and then blames everyone but himself. Very Unprofessional and ignorant human being. I'm an avid Astronomer who had some interest in buying their telescopes, but not anymore.
You are a space-cadet responding to a post that's 15 years old.
Martin Brown
> On Monday, February 24, 2003 at 1:09:55 PM UTC-6, Ratboy99 wrote:
> impressed. He screws up a shipment, and forgets to give information
> to handle clearance and delivery properly, and then blames everyone
> but himself. Very Unprofessional and ignorant human being. I'm an
> avid Astronomer who had some interest in buying their telescopes, but
> not anymore.
attach your drive by shooting comments to? I found Markus Ludes to be
quite helpful when I bought stuff from him in the past.
Personal attacks like this in sci.a.a led to all the manufacturers and
dealers gradually vanishing from here when AOL got going.
--
Regards,
Martin Brown