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Weland

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Dec 22, 2009, 11:42:06 AM12/22/09
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I've been too busy to do much here lately...well, and allowed myself to
be bogged down among the muck rakers. In any case, the return of
Medieval News:

The "Little" Medieval Warm Period in the Bahamas:
http://www.co2science.org/articles/V12/N50/C2.php

An Ancient Bath-house Dating Back to Byzantine Era Discovered in Syria:

http://www.english.globalarabnetwork.com/200912103972/Culture/archaeologists-an-ancient-bathhouse-dating-back-to-byzantine-era-discovered-in-syria.html

The mysterious death of James III: http://www.nas.gov.uk/about/091103.asp

Viking Weapon-Recycling Site Found in England?:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/12/091214-viking-recycling.html


SolomonW

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Dec 23, 2009, 5:03:00 AM12/23/09
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On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:42:06 -0600, Weland wrote:

> Viking Weapon-Recycling Site Found in England?:
> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/12/091214-viking-recycling.html


Considering how expensive metal was in medieval times, I would be surprised
if someone did not recycle.

Mind you even today, the market for recycled weapons is huge.

Jack Linthicum

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Dec 23, 2009, 7:19:17 AM12/23/09
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On Dec 23, 5:03 am, SolomonW <Solom...@nospamMail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:42:06 -0600, Weland wrote:
> > Viking Weapon-Recycling Site Found in England?:
> >http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/12/091214-viking-recycli...

>
> Considering how expensive metal was in medieval times, I would be surprised
> if someone did not recycle.
>
> Mind you even today, the market for recycled weapons is huge.

One of the reasons so little metal survives very long, it is too
valuable as raw material, no matter its present shape. Any finished
item will be found under ground or under the sea.

SolomonW

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Dec 24, 2009, 3:30:01 AM12/24/09
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Actually, it is very surprising just how efficient they are. A friend of
mine went with an expensive metal detector into an old mining town and told
me that so much had been already found that there was little metal to be
found.

Matt Giwer

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Dec 26, 2009, 8:34:56 PM12/26/09
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Only 10% of the iron going into new products today is new metal. All the rest
is recycled.

It also explains why there are artifacts of the bronze age but next to none
of the preceding copper age. You can get a good trade-in value from the
swordsmith for a copper sword when buying a bronze sword but bronze has no
value in buying an iron sword. The bronze sword becomes a keepsake for over
whatever the equivalent of a fireplace was. The metal ages changed before
there was money so it was a matter of barter and in copper to bronze the
swordsmith was the natural agent of bartering copper for bronze.

When replacing with iron he is not a barter agent for bronze. Bronze would
stay off the market until some unrelated event occurred like a statue maker
buying raw materials. It is much more likely a fourth event occurs which keeps
bronze weapons from being melted such as an earthquake or fire collapses the
house and buries it.

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SolomonW

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Dec 27, 2009, 5:23:36 PM12/27/09
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On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 20:34:56 -0500, Matt Giwer wrote:

> SolomonW wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:42:06 -0600, Weland wrote:
>>> Viking Weapon-Recycling Site Found in England?:
>>> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/12/091214-viking-recycling.html
>
>> Considering how expensive metal was in medieval times, I would be surprised
>> if someone did not recycle.
>> Mind you even today, the market for recycled weapons is huge.
>
> Only 10% of the iron going into new products today is new metal. All the rest
> is recycled.
>
> It also explains why there are artifacts of the bronze age but next to none
> of the preceding copper age. You can get a good trade-in value from the
> swordsmith for a copper sword when buying a bronze sword but bronze has no
> value in buying an iron sword. The bronze sword becomes a keepsake for over
> whatever the equivalent of a fireplace was. The metal ages changed before
> there was money so it was a matter of barter and in copper to bronze the
> swordsmith was the natural agent of bartering copper for bronze.
>
> When replacing with iron he is not a barter agent for bronze. Bronze would
> stay off the market until some unrelated event occurred like a statue maker
> buying raw materials. It is much more likely a fourth event occurs which keeps
> bronze weapons from being melted such as an earthquake or fire collapses the
> house and buries it.

Bronze was still used when iron came, just like it is today even though we
have steel.

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