Archaeologists have begun the search for an ancient civilization in southern Spain
Meteorologist
"Aerial photos show the existence of large circular and rectangular
forms that could not have been produced by nature.
The images, together with literary accounts by ancient Greek
geographers have given weight to the theory that a great Tartessian
city once existed within the park.
The Tartessian civilization, which developed in southern Spain between
the 11th and 7th centuries BC..."
David Christainsen
Newton, Mass. USA
Peter Alaca
Great "news", Pavid/Parl/Prunch/Peteorologist. Four years old
And:
"The researchers performed an archaeological survey. Thereby
they detected ruins (remnants of buildings) and pottery sherds.
These ruins and sherds have still to be dated. Most probably,
however the pottery sherds are not from Tartessos-Atlantis, but
from the Muslim period (AD 800 or later)."
Tom McDonald
The title of the article is: "Lost city of Atlantis 'could be
buried in southern Spain'". From the article:
""Evidence is mounting that suggests the story of Atlantis was
not mere fiction, fable or myth, but a true story as Plato always
maintained," said Georgeos Diaz-Montexano, a Cuban archeologist
who has spent the last 15 years searching for the submerged city.
"Atlantis is not exactly where the CSIC is looking, but it is
close," he claimed.
"The theory is just the latest in a long list of suggested
locations for Atlantis, including various Mediterranean islands,
the Azores, the Sahara desert, Central America and Antarctica. "
So, a crap popular article from a <snort> 'journalistic' popular
paper about <snort> Atlantis.
Now *there's* archaeological discussion at it's crunchiest.
--
Tom "Go Pack" McDonald
Tom McDonald
Here is a description of "archaeologist" Diaz-Montezano's area of
expertise:
Georgeos Diaz-Montexano
Madrid, Spain
Research field: Linguistics - Historical Linguistics
Greek and Latin Lexicography, Palaeography and Epigraphy. The
manuscriptal tradition of the Plato's texts, in special, Timaeus,
Critias, Laws and Republic.
http://www.mendeley.com/profiles/georgeos-diaz-montexano/
So, not an archaeologist. Though perhaps, using David's
criterion, we might consider him such.
He calls himself "Hispanic Cuban", which may explain the
article's calling him Cuban, while this link says he's in Madrid.
Spain.
Here's a link to his web page, in Google translation from the
Spanish. (It is fairly smoothly translated, and you can see the
original Spanish text for context by hovering over the English text):
A tinyurl: http://tinyurl.com/ybecoww
Interestingly, the Hispano-Cuban non-archaeologist denigrates any
other possible site for Atlantis other than off the coast of
Spain. One may, in charity, say that at least he didn't bite on
the deep site off Cuba as 'Atlantis'.
More deep, meaningful discussion, courtesy of David "Pussycat"
Christainsen.
Peter Alaca
The most substantial I could find about the project was a popular
article in DLR Nachrichten, Magazin de Deutschen Zentrums Fur
Luft- und Raumfahrt 116 (December 2006) pp. 62 - 65
<http://www.dlr.de/Portaldata/1/Resources/kommunikation/publikationen/116_nachrichten/DLR_Nachrichten_116.pdf>
(8.12 Mb, page 62)
Even if you are able to read German it realy is not worth downloading.
The best part is here, a clip of a picture from that article showing "Hidden
walls of an over 2000 years old settlement"
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/9518/dlr116.jpg
Btw, a real archaeologist was involved: Sebastian Celestino Perez,
but he is not involved in anything like 'Atlantis'.
Tom McDonald
Thanks, Peter. I did download it, and tried (not too
successfully) to read the article. My colloquial and academic
German was never top-notch, and my courses in the language are
four decades in the past. (Damn, I'm old!)
What I found interesting was that the team used a
radio-controlled model airplane to take images of the site. (At
least they show images of that, and my limited German seems to
confirm that that was the aerial imaging platform they used.)
This is very cool! I wonder whether other archaeologists are
using these little beauties, or something like them? They would
seem to be very valuable in remote sites where ground survey
might miss such gross structures.
I think Google Earth may have equal or better image resolution in
many places, but such fine imagery is, IIRC, limited to more
generally 'interesting' places, like cities and natural wonders.
> Btw, a real archaeologist was involved: Sebastian Celestino Perez,
> but he is not involved in anything like 'Atlantis'.
True. But the article David linked to was mainly a woo-woo piece
trading on the Atlantis meme.
Peter Alaca
Yes. It is in fact the main subject of the article.
The article also mentions a very limited number of
borings, but no results are presented.
> This is very cool! I wonder whether other archaeologists are
> using these little beauties, or something like them? They would
> seem to be very valuable in remote sites where ground survey
> might miss such gross structures.
Sometimes kites with a video camera are used, but this is
much more flexible.
>
> I think Google Earth may have equal or better image resolution in
> many places, but such fine imagery is, IIRC, limited to more
> generally 'interesting' places, like cities and natural wonders.
>> Btw, a real archaeologist was involved: Sebastian Celestino Perez,
>> but he is not involved in anything like 'Atlantis'.
> True. But the article David linked to was mainly a woo-woo piece
> trading on the Atlantis meme.
>
If it mentions Atlantis, it is high science to the Parl.
Jack Linthicum
> >> Tom McDonald wrote:
> >>> Peter Alaca wrote:
> >>>>>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/7019522/Lost-c...
>
> >> A tinyurl:http://tinyurl.com/ybecoww
>
> >> Interestingly, the Hispano-Cuban non-archaeologist denigrates any
> >> other possible site for Atlantis other than off the coast of
> >> Spain. One may, in charity, say that at least he didn't bite on
> >> the deep site off Cuba as 'Atlantis'.
>
> >> More deep, meaningful discussion, courtesy of David "Pussycat"
> >> Christainsen.
>
> > The most substantial I could find about the project was a popular
> > article in DLR Nachrichten, Magazin de Deutschen Zentrums Fur
> > Luft- und Raumfahrt 116 (December 2006) pp. 62 - 65
Here is the international organization Aerial Archaeology Research
Group (AARG)
http://www.univie.ac.at/aarg/php/cms/
a UAV practitioner
http://diydrones.com/forum/topics/3d-aerial-archaeology-anyone
I used aerial photography archaeology 2010 uav on google and got
82,000 hits
Jack Linthicum
> > Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2...@charter.net> 20/01/2010 13:23 wrote:
> >> Tom McDonald wrote:
> >>> Peter Alaca wrote:
> >>>>>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/7019522/Lost-c...
>
> >> A tinyurl:http://tinyurl.com/ybecoww
>
> >> Interestingly, the Hispano-Cuban non-archaeologist denigrates any
> >> other possible site for Atlantis other than off the coast of
> >> Spain. One may, in charity, say that at least he didn't bite on
> >> the deep site off Cuba as 'Atlantis'.
>
> >> More deep, meaningful discussion, courtesy of David "Pussycat"
> >> Christainsen.
>
> > The most substantial I could find about the project was a popular
> > article in DLR Nachrichten, Magazin de Deutschen Zentrums Fur
> > Luft- und Raumfahrt 116 (December 2006) pp. 62 - 65
Another step forward in UAV photography
Diagram of the camera at citation.
Novel zoom objective with deformable mirrors. (Credit: Image courtesy
of Fraunhofer-Gesellschaft)
ScienceDaily (Jan. 20, 2010) — Unmanned aerial vehicles UAVs deployed
on landscape analysis missions carry optical measuring equipment that
is required to operate free of chromatic aberration. Researchers have
now designed an all-reflective zoom objective with deformable mirrors.
An small unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) circles above the ground,
capturing the typical green of a coniferous forest or the radiated
heat from a town. The objectives in its on-board measuring equipment
must function free of chromatic aberration across a wide spectral
range -- from the ultraviolet region through the visible band and
right up to the near and medium infrared range. In such a scenario,
conventional lens systems comprised of several lens elements are of
limited use: when required to image a wide spectral range, the image
quality drops -- the image suffers from color fringing and becomes
blurred. Traditionally, specific lenses have been used for each
different spectral band. However, the difficulty is that UAVs can only
carry a limited amount of weight.
Researchers from the Fraunhofer Institute for Photonic Microsystems
IPMS are currently working to make it possible to capture images free
from chromatic aberration in a number of spectral ranges using a
single system. This would have the advantage of prolonging the
battery's life and increasing the aircraft's endurance. Group manager
Dr. Heinrich Grüger of the IPMS says: "We've come up with a design for
a new objective in which we've used mirrors instead of standard lens
elements." The objective is comprised of four mirrors, carefully
arranged to avoid obscuration -- this produces a higher-contrast
image. Two deformable mirrors take care of the triple zoom range --
with no loss of image quality. The new design eliminates the need for
elaborate mechanical guides within the lens barrel.
Grüger believes the new objective is potentially highly marketable:
"Both the automation technology sector and the automobile and
equipment engineering sector would profit from this type of
objective." Suitable deformable mirrors will have to be created --
conventional optical mirrors are rigid. Grüger says: "For the zoom
function, we need mirrors that will permit flexible actuator control
of the radius of curvature." Although IPMS scientists have already
developed deformable mirrors, they have not yet managed to achieve the
size and degree of variability required for the mirror zoom objective.
Optical simulations have shown that the mirrors would need to be at
least 12 millimeters in diameter in order to produce a zoom objective
with a sufficient f-number. Nevertheless, the researchers have already
been able to demonstrate the optical performance of the objective:
they built three identical setups with three different focal lengths
in which the deformable mirrors were replaced by conventional rigid
mirrors.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100118091911.htm
George
> >>> Tom McDonald wrote:
> >>>> Peter Alaca wrote:
> >>>>>>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/7019522/Lost-c...
>
> >>> A tinyurl:http://tinyurl.com/ybecoww
>
> >>> Interestingly, the Hispano-Cuban non-archaeologist denigrates any
> >>> other possible site for Atlantis other than off the coast of
> >>> Spain. One may, in charity, say that at least he didn't bite on
> >>> the deep site off Cuba as 'Atlantis'.
>
> >>> More deep, meaningful discussion, courtesy of David "Pussycat"
> >>> Christainsen.
>
> >> The most substantial I could find about the project was a popular
> >> article in DLR Nachrichten, Magazin de Deutschen Zentrums Fur
> >> Luft- und Raumfahrt 116 (December 2006) pp. 62 - 65
>
> >> (8.12 Mb, page 62)
> >> Even if you are able to read German it realy is not worth downloading.
> >> The best part is here, a clip of a picture from that article showing
> >> "Hidden walls of an over 2000 years old settlement"
> >>http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/9518/dlr116.jpg
>
> > Thanks, Peter. I did download it, and tried (not too
> > successfully) to read the article. My colloquial and academic
> > German was never top-notch, and my courses in the language are
> > four decades in the past. (Damn, I'm old!)
>
> > What I found interesting was that the team used a
> > radio-controlled model airplane to take images of the site. (At
> > least they show images of that, and my limited German seems to
> > confirm that that was the aerial imaging platform they used.)
> Yes. It is in fact the main subject of the article.
> The article also mentions a very limited number of
> borings, but no results are presented.
>
> > This is very cool! I wonder whether other archaeologists are
> > using these little beauties, or something like them? They would
> > seem to be very valuable in remote sites where ground survey
> > might miss such gross structures.
>
> Sometimes kites with a video camera are used, but this is
> much more flexible.
We use/d the camera on a balloon on a string technology with the
camera on a wireless link to the ground both transferring data and
directing the aforesaid camera.
Matt Giwer
You still produce NO EVIDENCE of any connection between any of the three.
And it is still correct I do not understand why you continue to connect all
three with no evidence whatsoever of a connection between them in any form.
Therefore you are an idiot as previously demonstrated.
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Thu Jan 21 21:13:07 EST 2010
Elfiniro
that people form Atlantis built the roman aqueduct of Segovia. Not a
serious person to follow.
http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:USulqLLVWNsJ:my.opera.com/pajaru/blog/show.dml/147713
Sebastián Celestino Pérez is a very serious and professional
archeologist with a lot of reputation. It's an expert in protohistory
of Spain:
The new is badly redacted, and mixes serious and trash stuff.
You can find some information in spanish here (pg. 42):
http://www.ebd.csic.es/Website1/Parque/Documentos/Resultados_2008.pdf
It talks about geology, tsunamis and geophysics.
A Google Earth photo of the area here: