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Was Abram (Abraham) an Akkadian or a Sumerian ?

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Saggiga

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Jun 14, 2004, 4:37:16 AM6/14/04
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Was Abram (Abraham) an Akkadian or a Sumerian ?
Abram name was found in many Akkadian inscriptions and tabletts,
together with the name of Benjamins.
I think Abram was a Sumerian (I am not the first to have the idea)
because :
-his fathers name is sumerian (Tirhu = "Oracle Priest" in sumerian),
-his family comes from and he was born in Ur City, sumerian city
devoted to Moon God Nannar.
-his name is sumerian (Abram = "Father Beloved" in sumerian),
-he changed his name to a semit name Abraham (="Father of a Multitude
of Nations" in akkadian)
-he changed the name of his wife from Sarai(=? in sumerian) to Sarah
(=princess in akkadian)
-he left the Gods of his ancestors (sumerian) adopted the highest
semit God : EL. (also related to other afroasiatic father-gods)
-he adopted semitic uses like circonsition (used in Afro-Asiatic world
also like Egypt and Kouch).
-read the Genesis 17...
-read (Joshua 24:2) "Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel: Long ago
your ancestors-Terah and his sons Abraham and Nahor... served other
gods."

I would like to know if those details given are correct and if any
searcher has found interesting informations on the Akkadian or Sumerian
tablets about
Abram ?

What did give the searches in the cities were Abram was living like Ur,
Haran, Canaan , Egypt, Nahor (Nakhur).
I read that no egyptian inscriptions were talking about Abram which is
quite strange since Egyptians used to write all the events ?

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Ken Down

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Jun 15, 2004, 6:45:37 PM6/15/04
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In article <1ol0c9H8...@galatham.demon.co.uk>, Saggiga
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> -his family comes from and he was born in Ur City, sumerian city
> devoted to Moon God Nannar.

I read a report that another Ur in northern Syria was mentioned in the
Ebla tablets, which would be significant, as many Biblical names appear
in the Ebla tablets. (Note that I said "names", not "personages".)

Ken Down

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Henk Veldman

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Jun 16, 2004, 5:56:51 PM6/16/04
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Ken Down schreef:

>
> In article <1ol0c9H8...@galatham.demon.co.uk>, Saggiga
> <sag_gig...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
> > -his family comes from and he was born in Ur City, sumerian city
> > devoted to Moon God Nannar.
>
> I read a report that another Ur in northern Syria was mentioned in the
> Ebla tablets, which would be significant, as many Biblical names
> appear in the Ebla tablets. (Note that I said "names", not
> "personages".)
>
> Ken Down
>
It has been suggested (by Cyrus Gordon?) that the "Ur of the Chaldaeans"
was a different city as the "Ur of the Sumerians". It might be the same
as the modern city of Urfa in Turkey near the Syrian border and not far
from Haran in the area that once was called Aram-Naharaim, the
traditional homeland of the Amorites/Aramaeans. Apparently there is a
local tradition in Urfa that Abraham was born there.

Henk

Saggiga

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Jun 22, 2004, 7:40:53 PM6/22/04
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Henk Veldman <ln.uza.oruen@2-namdleV.H> wrote in message
news:<bDFPWdBj...@galatham.demon.co.uk>...

Abram was sumerian and not semit.
First, his name is sumerian and is not akkadian.
He was born in a sumerian city (Ur), devoted to god Nannar (Moon God,
Sin in Akkadian).
His father was a high priest of Nannar.
He didnt have semitic uses (like circumcision), the same religion etc.
He moved from Ur to Haran in 2050 BC because of the wars between
Elamites and Amorites.
In Haran, they worshipped Sin too, so he chosed that city among
others.
When he was old, he adopted semit ways and changed his name and
religion.

cf link :
http://ragz-international.com/genesis_narrative_in_the_light_o.htm
"Most scholars agree that Ur Kasdim was the Sumerian city of Ur, today
Tall al-Muqayyar (or Mughair), about 200 miles (300 km) southeast of
Baghdad in lower Mesopotamia, which was excavated from 1922 to 1934.
It is certain that the cradle of the ancestors was the seat of a
vigorous polytheism whose memory had not been lost and whose
uncontested master in Ur was Nanna (or Sin), the Sumero-Akkadian moon
god. "They served other gods," Joshua, Moses' successor, recalled,
speaking to their descendants at Shechem. "

The hypothesis that Abram was born "Ur of the Chaldaeans" is in my
opinion not correct.

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