Denderah zodiac and wild theories of dating
Kate Brown
wild theory of dating that says all history was invented in the
fifteenth century or thereabouts. There is quite a lot to argue
about... :) but one of their arguments concerns the Denderah zodiac.
I've tried to find some intelligent description and discussion of this
piece on the web but everything I've found so far is basically bonkers.
Can anybody direct me to a respectable website dealing with it?
Annoyingly, I thought I had one, from several years ago, archived, but
it seems to have disappeared into the ether. Conspiracy theory, anyone?
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John Roth
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> In another place, I'm trying to argue with some people who adhere to a
> wild theory of dating that says all history was invented in the
> fifteenth century or thereabouts. There is quite a lot to argue
> about... :) but one of their arguments concerns the Denderah zodiac.
> I've tried to find some intelligent description and discussion of this
> piece on the web but everything I've found so far is basically
bonkers.
> Can anybody direct me to a respectable website dealing with it?
I don't know of a good web site, but there is one basic question
to ask about anything coming from Egypt. Does it have 12 or
36 star groups?
If it has 36, it might represent the "clock stars", which were
stars that rose at approximately 40 minute intervals throughout
the night and were used for timekeeping and calenderical
synchronization from back before dynastic times. Consult
any standard Egyptological reference for this.
As far as I'm aware, the exact clock stars haven't been
reliably identified, although there are a number of interesting
theories floating around that seem to be more firmly
based in archaeoastronomy than in mysticism.
If it has 12, it could be a zodiac. Pharonic Egypt did not have
anything resembling astrology. The 12 sign zodiac was invented
in Mesopotamia, and astrology "as we know it today" was
later invented in Egypt either during the Late Period when it
was under Persian cultural domination, or during the Ptolomaic
period when it was under Greek cultural domination.
John Roth
Tom McDonald
> In another place, I'm trying to argue with some people who
> adhere to a wild theory of dating that says all history was
> invented in the fifteenth century or thereabouts. There is
> quite a lot to argue about... :) but one of their arguments
> concerns the Denderah zodiac. I've tried to find some
> intelligent description and discussion of this piece on the
> web but everything I've found so far is basically bonkers. Can
> anybody direct me to a respectable website dealing with it?
>
> Annoyingly, I thought I had one, from several years ago,
> archived, but it seems to have disappeared into the ether.
> Conspiracy theory, anyone?
Kate,
Never heard of it, but did a little Googling. This seems
relatively straight-forward:
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~gtosiris/page11-10a.html
This is the main page of that site:
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~gtosiris/index1.html
And the site's author has this to say about himself:
> I have a Celestron 5 telescope and a 20-centimetre f/25
> (Dall-Kirkham) Cassegrain telescope. My astronomical interests
> mostly involve lunar observation and the history of
> Babylonian astral sciences.
And:
> I am an avid book collector and have an extensive library on
> astronomy, history, science, mythology, freethought, and
> skepticism.
Sounds like an amateur, in the real meaning of the word.
This is a drawing of the Denderah Zodiac:
http://www.repertorium.net/rostau/secondary/zodiac.html
This seems to indicate the the Denderah Zodiac is now in the Louvre:
http://www.louvre.fr/anglais/palais/theme.htm
This seems to be what the Zodiac looks like now:
http://theearthcenter.com/mandala.html
And this seems to be someone's idea of what it might have looked
like in its salad days:
http://aseatha.com/thothbooks/denderah.htm
Is this the kind of stuff you're discussing with those people?:
http://www.revisedhistory.org/
If so, it sounds fascinating. If by fascinating one means
surpassingly weird.
Tom McDonald
Ken Down
<tmcdon...@nohormelcharter.net> wrote:
> This seems to indicate the the Denderah Zodiac is now in the Louvre:
It is, but there is a replica in place in the ceiling at Denderah.
Ken Down
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John Roth wrote:
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> "Kate Brown" <elv...@cockaigne.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:$Orimory...@galatham.demon.co.uk...
> > In another place, I'm trying to argue with some people who adhere to a
> > wild theory of dating that says all history was invented in the
> > fifteenth century or thereabouts. There is quite a lot to argue
> > about... :)
I guess they are devotees of 1920s-30s Morosov, or contemporary Fomenko,
who heavily relies on Morosovs "evidence".
Morosov "interpreted" (to put it mildly) the hellenistic syncretist
Denderah circle as showing a real constellation with a "date".
And Morosov put this date somewhere in the 6th century AD.
Morosov was a ultra-nationalistic Russian who (a. o.) could not stand
the idea, that the "holy Kiev" Rus empire with its racial/religious
superior populace could have been subjugated by the Mongols, just little
yellow pagans on small horses: it must have been a biiig conspiracy! All
those stories invented to demolish the holy russian traditions, to
humiliate eastern church (of course by the Vatikan - who else?) ec. ec.
In fact, it should have been a inner-russian conflict, while the
"Mongolians" never existed ec.
This racist-nationalist BS was warmed up later on by another russian,
Fomenko and his fans. There is a broad community of followers in
mega-nationalistic russian/slavic circles, and among them stalinist
period crackpot Morosov is considered a "pioneer researcher" and his
output is quoted as beeing "prime evidence".
Even more time-shrinking are the catastrophists around the late
Velikovsky and his current apostles.
Basically all those time-shrinkers say: all the history of past and its
"evidence" is faked/invented by dark powers like the Vatikan going hand
in hand with the "orthodox science" (all paid agents of the conspiracy,
or ignorant arrogant upper class laymen bashers) ec.
Only some enlighted avantgarde amateurs can destroy this spider web of
conspiracy....
It makes not much sense to stir around in this racist stupidity thingy
brew..
Remember: if You try to argue against a conspiracy, You are
automatically unveiled as an agent of this conspiracy...
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Some usefull sketches of the circle and the various constellations are
here:
<http://brezza.iuav.it/dpa/ricerche/trevisan/dendera1.htm>
Full pdf with all pics dl available on site (1.2 megs).
regards
Florian
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