An Anthropological Taxonomy of Usenet Posters?
Danny
>True, true. I use a couple of different
>newsreaders (I'm sure there are some who
>regularly bop between three or four), and
>NetNews always feels different through
>the different channels. It's striking.
>What makes more of an impact than that,
>though, are the different line-ups of
>active groups, and of patterns of unread
>posts within them.
I'd like to generalise this to a kind of taxonomy of posters:
* Which newsreader? - (This is where we started.) I am not really
convinced this makes that big difference (though I wonder about some
of my friends who read news by talking raw NNTP to sockets), but it
would be interesting to try and design experiments to study it.
* Which groups? - obviously someone who regularly reads sci.anthropology
will have a very different view of usenet to someone who only reads
alt.religion.kibology or alt.callahans. Obviously figures on readers are
hard to come by, but there are some interesting questions one could ask
about *posters* - What is the overlap in posters between
soc.culture.italy and rec.food.recipes? Do people who post to
news.groups have different kinds of posting patterns to those who post
to sci.bio.evolution? The availability of almost all of usenet on CD
means that the data necessary to answer such questions is easy to come
by - all that is needed is a research team with net-knowledgeable people
competent in programming, statistics, linguistics and anthropology (and
maybe a few other disciplines).
* How much news, how regularly? - David Sewell recently posted a
wonderful flight of fancy considering one limiting case - someone who
reads everything - but I know some people who will spend most of a day
once every few months reading news, and of course lots of variations are
possible.
* Who are they anyway? - While there may be some "universal" measures of
signal-to-noise ratio, the latter is largely in the eye of the beholder.
The wide diversity of people on the net is clear, and, as has been
discussed a lot recently, likely to increase. But changes more
significant than the addition of thousands of school kids or general
public access are there - how much of what we say about usenet holds for
the Japanese language groups, for example? and who knows what Australian
Aboriginal communities will do with it when they get net access?
(Whatever happened to Gil Hardwick, by the way?)
And I'd just like to stress again that it would be a mistake to identify
usenet.culture with what happens in news.groups or alt.culture.usenet or
alt.fan.serdar-argic. That would be a similar mistake to taking
newspaper editorials as indicative of public opinion and attitudes
during historical periods when the majority of the population were
illiterate. Kibo and Serdar Argic are just as unrepresentative as
Gandhi and Adolf Hitler.
Danny Yee (da...@cs.su.oz.au).
Cameron Laird
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>I'd like to generalise this to a kind of taxonomy of posters:
.
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>* Which groups? - obviously someone who regularly reads sci.anthropology
>will have a very different view of usenet to someone who only reads
>alt.religion.kibology or alt.callahans. Obviously figures on readers are
>hard to come by, but there are some interesting questions one could ask
>about *posters* - What is the overlap in posters between
>soc.culture.italy and rec.food.recipes? Do people who post to
>news.groups have different kinds of posting patterns to those who post
>to sci.bio.evolution? The availability of almost all of usenet on CD
>means that the data necessary to answer such questions is easy to come
>by - all that is needed is a research team with net-knowledgeable people
>competent in programming, statistics, linguistics and anthropology (and
>maybe a few other disciplines).
The computer workers and anthropologists I know share some
elements of their ethos: one appealing item, in particular,
is their committed *activity*. Programmers know that they
learn languages by using them; anthropologists assume that
they, not just the subjects of their study, will be knapping
flints, and bleeding cattle, and folding yurts. You exempli-
fy in this appeal questions I think a number of us want to
work actively to answer. In fact, this winter I spent a week
digesting NetNews analytically, with the aid of some primi-
tive perl scripts, to tease out quantitative results on
cross-posting, patterns of text inclusion, markers of flaming,
and so on. My original intention was to post the results and
ource code, of course, but the experiment was successful in a
direction I didn't anticipate: it convinced me that what I
*really* want to do is design a more general purpose NetNews
query language. This is a big project. I'm not sure what my
next step will be, but I'm glad to chat about the possi-
bilities. In any case, I agree that there are mountains of
good work to do.
.
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>the Japanese language groups, for example? and who knows what Australian
>Aboriginal communities will do with it when they get net access?
I keep hearing that there are social-action groups (in
the US? Europe?) that claim to have been utterly
transformed through the power on-line communications
have given them. I haven't any good data on this.
>(Whatever happened to Gil Hardwick, by the way?)
He's taking a breather. I think he still reads s.a
occasionally, but he's decided 'twould be a waste of
his time to post as he did in the past. As far as I
know, he's still pursuing his permaculture-tribali-
zation-mediation (I hope I've named these accurately)
ventures. I suppose there are also some lawsuits
still in process; I know even less about those.
>
>And I'd just like to stress again that it would be a mistake to identify
>usenet.culture with what happens in news.groups or alt.culture.usenet or
>alt.fan.serdar-argic. That would be a similar mistake to taking
>newspaper editorials as indicative of public opinion and attitudes
>during historical periods when the majority of the population were
>illiterate. Kibo and Serdar Argic are just as unrepresentative as
>Gandhi and Adolf Hitler.
In our most Tolstoyan spirit, we can recognize Kibo's
unrepresentativeness, but also study diffusion of
the cultural items associated with him as indexes to
NetNews social processes. You're quite right in re-
peating this warning, of course.
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.
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--
Cameron Laird
cla...@Neosoft.com (claird%Neoso...@uunet.uu.net) +1 713 267 7966
cla...@litwin.com (claird%litwi...@uunet.uu.net) +1 713 996 8546
James Kibo Parry
> usenet.culture with what happens in news.groups or alt.culture.usenet or
> alt.fan.serdar-argic. That would be a similar mistake to taking
> newspaper editorials as indicative of public opinion and attitudes
> during historical periods when the majority of the population were
> illiterate. Kibo and Serdar Argic are just as unrepresentative as
> Gandhi and Adolf Hitler.
Wait, are you claiming that I'm literate, or that I'm Gandhi? Can I be both?
Also, could I still be a world-famous pacifist if I revealed that the
whole reason I never hurt anyone yet is because I'm just really *bad* at it?
Besides, all right-thinking people like Gandhi and dislike Hitler.
Whereas, all right-thinking people should simply be ignoring me
completely. Hmm, same goes for how they should feel about Serdar--
no, wait, they should ignore me and simultaneously ignore and *dislike*
Serdar. Phew, I was worried I might have something in common with him!
Besides the fact that we have no off switches.
Did I mention I'm the world's greatest pacifist? If you don't believe
me, we can fight over it!
Hmm, can't a pacifist also be defined as someone who ignores his enemies?
Try carrying on a conversation with Serdar sometime.
Serdar Argic is a pacifiest! Serdar Argic is a pacifist!
Ooh, that'll make him mad. Unles he's illiterate. If I'm Gandhi, he's
illiterate!
-- K.
To ignore me, simply paste a
sign saying "I'm ignoring you!"
to your forehead whenever I'm around.
James Kibo Parry
Cameron Laird <cla...@sugar.NeoSoft.COM> wrote:
> In article <2nbaq0$l...@staff.cs.su.oz.au>, Danny <da...@cs.su.oz.au> wrote:
> >newspaper editorials as indicative of public opinion and attitudes
> >during historical periods when the majority of the population were
> >illiterate. Kibo and Serdar Argic are just as unrepresentative as
> >Gandhi and Adolf Hitler.
>
> unrepresentativeness, but also study diffusion of
> the cultural items associated with him as indexes to
> NetNews social processes. You're quite right in re-
> peating this warning, of course.
I'm very proud to be studied by anthopologists--actual genuine
scientific-minded types--for my abnormality! Yay! I'm certified!
I wear my unrepresentativeness like a shield of glory!
Today, the government of sci.anthropology officially recognized Kibo's
unrepresentativeness, and presented him with the key to the city.
This key allows him to look at any introductory anthropology textbook
and replace all the stock photos of people walking down the street in
bell-bottoms with nude GIFs of Marina Sirtis! Such are the powers of
the unrepresentative. And I had wanted to be President, but I'll settle
being elected unRepresentative.
This makes me almost as happy as the time I took the Minnesota
Multiphasic Personality Inventory (MMPI) and found one point on the
graph which was slightly outside one standard deviation!
[according to the MMPI, I'm perfectly normal and well-adjusted;
the EPPS (Edwards Personal Preference Schedule) had me at the very top
or bottom of every scale, meaning I'm really weird; and the OSCA
(Oxford Standard Capacity Analysis written by L. Ron Hubbard) said that
I would go insane if I didn't read "Dianetics" within a few weeks--and I
never did.]
But why am I posting psychobabble to sci.anthropology? I should be
posting anthropobabble! Um... how 'bout them alpha males? Should Yves
Tanguy sue Desmond Morris, or simply be sincerely flattered by the
imitation? Is it worse to be a secret surrealist or a public surrealist?
Oh, dear, I just made a joke that you have to know about modern art
*and* pop-anthropology to fully appreciate. I'd better make Matt
McIrvin explain it. He gets all my jokes because he's just like me only
he's rational.
-- K.
John Baez will now introduce 'psychobeable'.
Jon Tara
>From: ki...@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
>Subject: Re: An Anthropological Taxonomy of Usenet Posters?
>Date: Sat, 9 Apr 1994 12:39:55 GMT
>[sci.anthropology]
>In article <2nbaq0$l...@staff.cs.su.oz.au>, Danny <da...@cs.su.oz.au> wrote:
>> And I'd just like to stress again that it would be a mistake to identify
>> usenet.culture with what happens in news.groups or alt.culture.usenet or
>> alt.fan.serdar-argic. That would be a similar mistake to taking
>> newspaper editorials as indicative of public opinion and attitudes
>> during historical periods when the majority of the population were
>> illiterate. Kibo and Serdar Argic are just as unrepresentative as
>> Gandhi and Adolf Hitler.
Wrong. Kibo is the MOST representative Usenet user! If nothing else, he has
got to be the most widely-read (Use-wise) among us. He goes whereever his grep
takes him!
_____________________________________________________________________
Jon Tara|Internet: jt...@crash.cts.com | Kibo told me I could say
|CompuServe: 76477,3422 | "53-X" here.
Jim Bottomley
ki...@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:
>This makes me almost as happy as the time I took the Minnesota
>Multiphasic Personality Inventory (MMPI) and found one point on the
>graph which was slightly outside one standard deviation!
Minnesota!!! I knew Kibo had something to do with `Argic' all along! This
just confirms it - as if we needed any proof, after hearing that their
names have been linked in a `Massachusetts newspaper'. I will now start
adding everything emanting from the `Kibot' to my Dossier.
>posting anthropobabble! Um... how 'bout them alpha males? Should Yves
>Tanguy sue Desmond Morris, or simply be sincerely flattered by the
>imitation? Is it worse to be a secret surrealist or a public surrealist?
>
>Oh, dear, I just made a joke that you have to know about modern art
>*and* pop-anthropology to fully appreciate. I'd better make Matt
>McIrvin explain it. He gets all my jokes because he's just like me only
>he's rational.
I understand all the jokes to, as well as their essential fibrous structure
of pulsating setness within a context of the essential separation of
readily understandable socially conforming axioms. But then I have my Dossier
to lean on, as well as my hyper-functioning Cleared Mind.
--
Jim Bottomley: ce...@uk.ac.warwick.csv
James Kibo Parry
I asked Matt if he got the references I made in that first paragraph,
and he didn't. So I guess I'd better explain to *everybody*.
Desmond Morris, pop anthropologist and author of "The Naked Ape" (and
"Manwatching" and "Catwatching"--in which we learn that Morris is
finicky, but that's beside the point) fancies himself a surrealist
painter. He's not bad, *except* that his paintings are all utterly
slavish copies of the great Yves Tanguy's style. They're completely
indistinguishable from Tanguy works except that they came a few decades
later and aren't as original. A book on Morris's paintings is titled
"Desmond Morris: The Secret Surrealist". I learned this when looking
for a copy of "Imaginary Botany" in a bookstore at Harvard.
Tanguy's style, incidentally, was also copied on the cover of just about
every pulp sci-fi novel in the 50s and 60s (it's easy to imitate, and it
looks good and weird)--anything showing this barren landscape with a few
weird blobs sticking up out of it, sometimes connected by thin wires,
wisps of cloud floating around, is a fake Tanguy.
Real Tanguy is my favorite painter.
I like "Manwatching" because it's so easy to read really really fast.
It's practically all photo captions... the plate of blue spaghetti has a
caption saying that people don't like blue spaghetti, the photo of the guy
urinating on a wall has one saying that people don't like people urinating
in public, etc. Oh, yeah, the book also says that women with long slim
legs are sexier than those with short stumpy legs.
I'm hoping that after "Catwatching" and "Dogwatching" he'll do "Kibowatching".
-- K.
author, "Wristwatching"
and "The Public Recluse"
James Kibo Parry
Jon Tara <jt...@crash.cts.com> wrote:
>
> Wrong. Kibo is the MOST representative Usenet user! If nothing else, he has
> got to be the most widely-read (Use-wise) among us. He goes whereever his grep
> takes him!
Yeah, but I'm also probably the most widely-killfiled. I wonder who's
in more killfiles: me, Argic, Abian, Gannon, Carasso, or BIFF?
Once on a whim I took the news.lists statistics, found the most popular
unmoderated groups devoted to rather different subjects (assuming that
there was little correlation between the probability of reading
rec.humor and alt.sex, but more of alt.sex and alt.sex.bondage) and did
the calculations to try and figure out approximately how many people
would read a cross-post made to a number of 'nonoverlapping' popular
groups. I managed to hit about 1.1 million subscribers with that one, I
think, and this was back when the total popularion of Usenet was
estimated to be around 4 or 5 million. (Of course, there's probably a
big margin of error in my calculations and in the original assumptions
of the size of the net.)
Oh, also, I had to skip misc.jobs.*, as cross-posting junk there is not
something I'll do. I'm not *that* willing to draw flames. (If you post
a three-line 'wacky' to misc.jobs.offered, you will get hundred-line mail
messages which can be summarized as "Your posting too me ten seconds to
read and so now I'm going to compose this three-page letter to you to
tell you that because you wasted my time I'll never find a job and it's
ALL YOUR FAULT!!!")
-- K.
James Kibo Parry
Roman Gollent <ro...@portal.resnet.upenn.edu> wrote:
> I would say gannon.
Well, as Hitler, sure. But then who would Gandhi be? And who would
Serdar be? Who's Mike Jittlov, who's Alexander Abian, who's Ed Zotti?
Is Robert McElwaine the Usenet equivalent of R. Buckminster Fuller?
Is J. Michael Straczynski the Usenet equivalent of Harlan Ellison?
Most importantly, who's the Usenet equivalent of *me*?
> Kibo, what would you say about a new species label for internet using beings?
> How about "Homo Connectus"?
Eh, I think we've evolved beyond the genus Homo. I suggest Pomo Connectus.
-- K.
Matt McIrvin will now
explain the joke, for
those of you who don't
read alt.*.
Matt McIrvin
>Eh, I think we've evolved beyond the genus Homo. I suggest Pomo Connectus.
> -- K.
> Matt McIrvin will now
> explain the joke, for
> those of you who don't
> read alt.*.
I just explained BIFF to rec.org.mensa, and gave the true history of
the future on a.r.k! Now you want me to go do this! What do you think
I AM, some kind of CLOCK that cuckoos out explanations every hour on the
hour?!!??!!!!?! Besides, species names are just another culturally
constructed metanarrative providing nomenclatural support for an
ostensibly cladistic/morphological power structure!!!!!1
grumble, grumble, now I have to go get another Massachusetts tax form
because I ruined the other one, and dig around in some eurocentric
establishment journals. I'll NEVER get deconstructed at this rate.
--
Matt 01234567 <-- The original Indent-o-Meter..Someday
McIrvin ^ indentation will be too cheap to meter.
Rose Marie Holt
_____________________________________________________________________________
Rose Marie Holt Kibo number 1
rmh...@u.washington.edu Barry number 1
Will Read Xrays For Food Jittlov number 1
______________________________________________________________________________
Rose Marie Holt
>Jon Tara <jt...@crash.cts.com> wrote:
>>
>> Wrong. Kibo is the MOST representative Usenet user! If nothing else, he has
>> got to be the most widely-read (Use-wise) among us. He goes whereever his grep
>> takes him!
Being widely read does NOT make one representative.
OOPs, I feel the hook sinking into my flesh! AUGH IHBT!
[The rest of this post, which was going to make the point that caling
Kibo representative of USENET poster would be like calling Ronald
Reagan representative of all Mensa members, or like calling Spot
representative of all dogs or like calling the Space Shuttle representative
of all gasoline powered skateboards, has been deleted due to the authors
shame at having been trolled, although she suspects it was not
intentional, she is still flopping (figuratively) on the bottom of
the boat]
dana galatea copper
ki...@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) emits:
>Desmond Morris, pop anthropologist and author of "The Naked Ape" (and
>"Manwatching" and "Catwatching"--in which we learn that Morris is
Oh, Kibo. Usually I take this kind of thing with a grin, but this one
is too much. Desmond Morris is not the author of "The Naked Ape".
You're thinking of Richard Darking, who wrote it as a sequel to "The
Selfish Gene" after Morris bet him late one night in a bar that he
couldn't write a follow-up to the latter with nearly the same success.
Rumor has it that the bet was John Wheeler's idea -- Wheeler suggested
to Darking that Darking try to con Morris into making the bet just to
make Morris look like a fool, since he was pissed at Morris for his
misattributions in his book on primate ethology (can't remember the
title, sorry).
>Tanguy's style, incidentally, was also copied on the cover of just about
>every pulp sci-fi novel in the 50s and 60s (it's easy to imitate, and it
>looks good and weird)--anything showing this barren landscape with a few
>weird blobs sticking up out of it, sometimes connected by thin wires,
>wisps of cloud floating around, is a fake Tanguy.
I thought that Tanguy was a pretty lame imitation of Michel Whelan,
myself.
"Now you can install your new kernel and try it out."
-- SunOS 4.1.3, config(1)
john baez
>[alt.religion.kibology: <Co15w...@world.std.com>]
>ki...@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) emits:
>>Desmond Morris, pop anthropologist and author of "The Naked Ape" (and
>>"Manwatching" and "Catwatching"--in which we learn that Morris is
>Oh, Kibo. Usually I take this kind of thing with a grin, but this one
>is too much. Desmond Morris is not the author of "The Naked Ape".
>You're thinking of Richard Darking, who wrote it as a sequel to "The
>Selfish Gene" after Morris bet him late one night in a bar that he
>couldn't write a follow-up to the latter with nearly the same success.
>Rumor has it that the bet was John Wheeler's idea -- Wheeler suggested
>to Darking that Darking try to con Morris into making the bet just to
>make Morris look like a fool, since he was pissed at Morris for his
>misattributions in his book on primate ethology (can't remember the
>title, sorry).
Wasn't Wheeler the one who wrote "The Naked Singularity"? I heard that
Darking, just as a stunt, decided to write a book with almost the same
title. Apparently both books were later banned by public schools in
Mississippi -- but I'm not sure if it was because of the "obscene"
titles or because of the fact that teaching evolution and the big bang
theory in public schools was opposed by local fundamentalists.
Apparently these jerks instituted a practice called "cosmic censorship"
to keep out textbooks that went against Christianity.
Geoffrey Watson
>[alt.religion.kibology: <Co15w...@world.std.com>]
>ki...@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) emits:
>>Desmond Morris, pop anthropologist and author of "The Naked Ape" (and
>>"Manwatching" and "Catwatching"--in which we learn that Morris is
>Oh, Kibo. Usually I take this kind of thing with a grin, but this one
>is too much. Desmond Morris is not the author of "The Naked Ape".
>You're thinking of Richard Darking, who wrote it as a sequel to "The
>Selfish Gene" after Morris bet him late one night in a bar that he
>couldn't write a follow-up to the latter with nearly the same success.
>Rumor has it that the bet was John Wheeler's idea -- Wheeler suggested
>to Darking that Darking try to con Morris into making the bet just to
>make Morris look like a fool, since he was pissed at Morris for his
>misattributions in his book on primate ethology (can't remember the
>title, sorry).
1968 The naked ape Desmond Morris
1969 Naked ape or Homo sapiens? John Lewis and Bernard Towers
1976 The selfish gene Richard Dawkins
--
Geoffrey N. Watson gw...@cs.uq.oz.au
Valves, wires and calculated waves can lie;
And I, the Accurate, am made of these
But now, adjusted wrongly, I speak the truth. John Wain
Jacques Guy
>Yeah, but I'm also probably the most widely-killfiled. I wonder who's
>in more killfiles: me, Argic, Abian, Gannon, Carasso, or BIFF?
Argic forever!... at least until everybody unsubscribes to soc.culture.europe,
greek, and whatever. You've got to pay the M'Argic Turk his due...
James Kibo Parry
Geoffrey Watson <gw...@cs.uq.oz.au> wrote:
> dg...@kimbark.uchicago.edu (dana galatea copper) writes:
> >ki...@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) emits:
>
> >>Desmond Morris, pop anthropologist and author of "The Naked Ape" (and
> >>"Manwatching" and "Catwatching"--in which we learn that Morris is
>
> >Oh, Kibo. Usually I take this kind of thing with a grin, but this one
> >is too much. Desmond Morris is not the author of "The Naked Ape".
> >You're thinking of Richard Darking, who wrote it as a sequel to "The
>
> 1969 Naked ape or Homo sapiens? John Lewis and Bernard Towers
> 1976 The selfish gene Richard Dawkins
Um, Geoffrey, what we have here is a phenomenon called "trolling".
Dana G. Cooper has asserted dominance here in a ritualized fashion by
getting you to admit that you know something, which means she wins
because she tricked you into showing off your knowledge, which in our
anti-intellectual society moves you down the pecking order... (Hope it
didn't hurt.) This "trolling" is actually an evolutionary vestige of
the time when human beings were still evolving from spiders* and used it
as a mating ritual. I think Dana likes you.
My posting was a "meta-troll", in which I posted something with a
completely straight face in hopes that someone else would try to make it
look like I was being sarcastic. I evilly manipulated Dana with my
sociopathic charms into HAVING SOME FUN--whether Dana wanted to or not!
There are also "meta-meta-trolls", which are sort of complicated to
explain (if they even exist--I might be lying about whether there is
such a thing as a meta-meta-troll solely to get people to try posting one)
and then there's "accidental trolling" and "self-trolling".
Self-trolling probably will never occur in a group like
sci.anthropology, though--it only happens in places where people are so
clueless that they can confuse themselves, like alt.sex.
*Reference: Star Trek: The Next Generation "Genesis", where Barclay
turns into a spider because he's devolving. They have a science
consultant for the show so everything on it must be real. Also, I too
believe that humans evolved from spiders. <-- TROLL
-- K.
James Kibo Parry
Rose Marie Holt <rmh...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> In article <Co169...@world.std.com>,
> >Jon Tara <jt...@crash.cts.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Wrong. Kibo is the MOST representative Usenet user! If nothing else, he has
> >> got to be the most widely-read (Use-wise) among us. He goes whereever his grep
> >> takes him!
>
> Being widely read does NOT make one representative.
>
> OOPs, I feel the hook sinking into my flesh! AUGH IHBT!
Distinguished researchers,
What we have here is the first known instance of a SELF-META-TROLL.
This is where the troller and the trollee are the same person, and darn
well know it, too. R M Holt pretended to fall for her own trap solely
to provoke someone into posting an explanation of this completely
nonexistent practice called "self-meta-trolling", and will probably
succeed in reeling in some totally clueless newbie who will make a
followup all about self-meta-trolling, even though there's never
actually been a self-meta-troll.
--
ki...@prodigy.ibm.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
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Lee Rudolph
>Also, I too
>believe that humans evolved from spiders. <-- TROLL
You are acned, you are hackneyed; I really doubt that you're arachnid.
LR
Cameron Laird
Matt McIrvin <mci...@husc10.harvard.edu> wrote:
>ki...@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:
>
>>Eh, I think we've evolved beyond the genus Homo. I suggest Pomo Connectus.
.
.
>hour?!!??!!!!?! Besides, species names are just another culturally
>constructed metanarrative providing nomenclatural support for an
>ostensibly cladistic/morphological power structure!!!!!1
>
>grumble, grumble, now I have to go get another Massachusetts tax form
>because I ruined the other one, and dig around in some eurocentric
>establishment journals. I'll NEVER get deconstructed at this rate.
.
.
The Indent-o-meter trolls for thee. Kibo asked
(purely rhetorically, of course, as his world-
line already compacts awareness of all NetNews
past and present) about meta-meta-trolls. I
believe Mr. McIrvin's particular trajectory of
deconstruction does not traverse the actual,
true-to-Netlife sci.anthropology threads in
which s.a netizens argued about the power im-
plications of scientific taxonomies, but we've
had 'em. More than once. The consensus was,
sure, they're "just another culturally con-
structed metanarrative ...", but they're *our*
culturally constructed metanarrative.
I return you now to your regularly scheduled
fantasizing. Anti-intellectualize at your
own risk.
Rose Marie Holt
James "Kibo" Parry <ki...@world.std.com> wrote:
>In sci.anthropology article <2o9fvg$g...@news.u.washington.edu>,
>Rose Marie Holt <rmh...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>> In article <Co169...@world.std.com>,
>> >Jon Tara <jt...@crash.cts.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Wrong. Kibo is the MOST representative Usenet user! If nothing else, he has
>> >> got to be the most widely-read (Use-wise) among us. He goes whereever his grep
>> >> takes him!
>>
>> Being widely read does NOT make one representative.
>>
>> OOPs, I feel the hook sinking into my flesh! AUGH IHBT!
>
>Distinguished researchers,
>
>What we have here is the first known instance of a SELF-META-TROLL.
[a few lines deleted]
>followup all about self-meta-trolling, even though there's never
>actually been a self-meta-troll.
>
>--
>ki...@prodigy.ibm.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
> === Users at this site are charged high mail fees. ===
> Please don't send binaries without prior permission of the account holder.
> (This is the default system sig. If you see this, assume a Usenet newbie)
All this MAY BE TRUE but there are too many syllables in most of it, so
I have to get a consult from my lawyers to be sure.
I CAN say that I have caught large tree oops three pronged barbed
hooks in myself while casting for fish for real out in the real
world you know where the GIF files include sounds and sensations
and boy did it hurt.
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Rose Marie Holt Kibo and Barry numbers: 1
rmh...@u.washington.edu "...trust me, I AM capable of evil"
Will Read Xrays For Food -- Dave Barry
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Jacques Guy
>Wasn't Wheeler the one who wrote "The Naked Singularity"? I heard that
>Darking, just as a stunt, decided to write a book with almost the same
>title. Apparently both books were later banned by public schools in
>Mississippi -- but I'm not sure if it was because of the "obscene"
>titles
Quite a few years ago some public library in Helsinki banned Donald
Duck comics for obscenity. You wonder why? Haven't you noticed
that Donald, Daisy, Uncle Scrooge, Gladstone Gander, Hewey, Dewey,
Louie, the whole Duck tribe in fact goes around bare-arsed?
At least, that was the reason given. (But Finland used to be under
the Soviet thumb in those days... take a guess).
Eddie Saxe
Roman Gollent <ro...@portal.resnet.upenn.edu> wrote:
>Kibo, what would you say about a new species label for internet using beings?
>How about "Homo Connectus"?
No, no, they're over on soc.motss.
Eddie
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Me too!
ak20...@sol.yorku.ca
No, Kibo, we can't ignore you.
You and Serdar are the two most creative beings on the net.
saygimlarimla, Allan Trojan, Toronto, Canada.
David Hogan
>turns into a spider because he's devolving. They have a science
>consultant for the show so everything on it must be real. Also, I too
>believe that humans evolved from spiders. <-- TROLL
But trolls aren't evolved from spiders!
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David Hogan | ``On the InterNet all movements are speed ratios for
dh...@cs.su.oz.au | the processing, storage and transmission of data.''
IHBT-IHL Inc. | - Marie Curnick, Arena Magazine
jonathan edward woodall
>
>> Kibo, what would you say about a new species label for internet using beings?
>> How about "Homo Connectus"?
>
>Eh, I think we've evolved beyond the genus Homo. I suggest Pomo Connectus.
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jonathan edward woodall
don't sit around like silly little monosexuals and look at the crotch
before we decide whether someone is a person who it would be good to date...
Edward Vielmetti
: Oh, also, I had to skip misc.jobs.*, as cross-posting junk there is not
: something I'll do. I'm not *that* willing to draw flames. (If you post
: a three-line 'wacky' to misc.jobs.offered, you will get hundred-line mail
: messages which can be summarized as "Your posting too me ten seconds to
: read and so now I'm going to compose this three-page letter to you to
: tell you that because you wasted my time I'll never find a job and it's
: ALL YOUR FAULT!!!")
: -- K.
If you are looking for a job, you should know that the Online Career Center
has a gopher server on gopher.msen.com; there's upwards of 25,000
listings downloaded each day from it. Mail to occ-...@mail.msen.com
for details. One of those listings is an anthropology faculty
position at Pierce College in Tacoma, WA; another one is a technical
assistant position at a place called "Rhythmic Sphere" where they
are looking for someone with an anthro background to do graphics
stuff and "execute necessary tasks" (whatever those are).
(Temptation to follow Kibo around posting sensible replies suppressed.)
Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. e...@Msen.com
Msen Inc., 320 Miller, Ann Arbor MI 48103 +1 313 998 4562 (fax: 998 4563)
msen info addresses: in...@msen.com - $20/mo public access Internet
occ-...@msen.com - Online Career Center jobs database
Dave Schaumann
Edward Vielmetti <e...@garnet.msen.com> wrote:
>[...] another one is a technical
>assistant position at a place called "Rhythmic Sphere" where they
>are looking for someone with an anthro background to do graphics
>stuff and "execute necessary tasks" (whatever those are).
Basically, these are weasle words. They mean that the lucky candidate
get's stuck with every job that's so loathsome no-one else wants to
do it. Another way to look at it is that this means you've got to do
anything your boss feels like dumping on you.
Dave "been there, done that" Schaumann
Lisa Keele
: >*Reference: Star Trek: The Next Generation "Genesis", where Barclay
: >turns into a spider because he's devolving. They have a science
: >consultant for the show so everything on it must be real. Also, I too
: >believe that humans evolved from spiders. <-- TROLL
Don't believe everything you see, *especially* on star trek.
Entertaining show, yes, but all the philosophical issues raised are
treated very problematically; this leads me to believe there are problems
with the scientific data as well (I'm not a scientist, I wouldn't know
first-hand whether or not there were problems).
Eddie Saxe
All right, my T-meter fritzed out with this one. Ted, what comes after
the meta-nega-semi-hemi-anti-demi-troll?
Eddie
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I've changed my mind, Hobbes. People are scum.
Don Freeman
: In article <2onpkn$p...@nigel.msen.com>,
: Edward Vielmetti <e...@garnet.msen.com> wrote:
: >stuff and "execute necessary tasks" (whatever those are).
: Basically, these are weasle words. They mean that the lucky candidate
--
Comparable to that old standby: "And other related duties".
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Round up all the usual disclaimers... Don Freeman
fre...@tcomeng.com
Rose Marie Holt
It was WEEKS after Spock was attacked by those giant neurons before I
could turn my back on a hard-cooked fried egg. Then a scientist pointed
out that on Star Trek, they were suspended on strings.
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Rose Marie Holt, the most unreasonable person you ever met