Re: Lucy FACTOID 101

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-9BA3B1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:

> In article
> <Jason-07021...@67-150-173-178.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > In article <dfritzin-E3BF63...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <Jason-06021...@67-150-171-252.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <dfritzin-16D78D...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <Jason-06021...@67-150-173-252.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <dfritzin-036D82...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > In article
> > <Jason-06021...@67-150-168-8.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [snip]
> > > > > > > > Kerry is an important senator. It's not shocking that the
> > brass in the
> > > > > > > > Navy did not want to take any actions to make an enemy out of
> > > > Kerry. Their
> > > > > > > > motto is probably "don't make waves".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You realize you just accused the US Military of lying. Why do
> > you hate
> > > > > > > the US military, and the US so much?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Swift Boaters were retired members of the military and I
> > > > > > supported
> > > > > > them. Why do you hate the Swift Boaters and the the US Miltary
> > since they
> > > > > > were member of the US Miltary? Beam me up Scotty.
> > > > >
> > > > > It was you who accused the US Navy of lying, when they exonerated
> > > > > Kerry.
> > > > > *YOU* accused the institution of lying. I am accusing some members of
> > > > > lying for political purposes, which they clearly did. The Swift Boat
> > > > > Liars weren't even there, while the people who were there support
> > > > > Kerry's version.
> > > > >
> > > > > Your accusation of me is just you trying to cover up your own lies,
> > > > > Jason. Nothing more. Remember,it was you who said the US Navy
lied, not
> > > > > me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why are you such a liar, and why do you hate the US military so?
> > > >
> > > > I accused some members of the military of making a bad decision---that
> > > > does not mean that I hate everyone that is a member of the military.
> > >
> > > You can't cover up your perfidy. You accused the Navy of lying because
> > > Kerry was a powerful senator. Your words above show that you are lying
> > > now.
> > >
> > > See, Jason, that is the problem with liars such as yourself. Eventually,
> > > you can't keep your stories straight, and you get caught. As you were
> > > above.
> >
> > LOL--I was NOT discussing the entire US NAVY--just the brass that made a
> > political decision.
>
> Those "brass" represent the US Navy. And, you accused them of lying.
>
> As I said, it really is much easier to tell the truth, as you are now
> seeing. If you tell the truth, you don't have to keep track of the lies
> you tell. That is the bind you are now in.

I don't blame them for making a political decision. The goal was to not
make waves and they did not make any waves.

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-08021...@67-150-174-252.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Again, you accused the US Navy of lying. Why do you hate the US so much?
As I said, if you hate our country so much, why don't you leave?

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-774C00...@news.eternal-september.org>,

LOL--No, just the members of the Navy that were on the committee.

Did the posters that claimed the Swiftboaters were lying--accuse the US
Navy of lying? Beam me up Scotty

[David Fritzinger]

In article <Jason-08021...@66-53-209-57.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

The committee opinion represents the opinion of the US Navy and the US
military. Why do you hate the US Navy so?

>
> Did the posters that claimed the Swiftboaters were lying--accuse the US
> Navy of lying? Beam me up Scotty

Different situation entirely. I am talking about an official commission,
not some independent liars.

If you were beamed up, you would be thrown back.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-3BCFD5...@news.eternal-september.org>,

LOL--"Scotty--there is a double standard clearly in operation on this planet."

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-09021...@67-150-175-145.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Yup, there is. You are the one who wants it, not me.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-FAFCCF...@news.eternal-september.org>,

You are the one that stated: "Different situation entirely".

It was a "group of Swiftboaters" versus "A committee of high ranking
members of the Navy".

I have no problem taking the side of the Swiftboaters. I have far more in
common with them than with the members of that committee.

Someone said that since I have never been in the Navy--that I could not be
part of their "band of brothers". I disagree--at the very least--I am one
of their supporters and may be part of their band of brothers.

In the famous song by the Little River Bang entitled "Cool Change".

There is a line in that sailing song that says:

"It's kind of a special feeling when you are out on the sea alone. The
albatross and the whales they are my brothers...."

That means I am part of the Swiftboaters band of brothers.

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-09021...@67-150-175-83.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

That's because it is a different situation, you fool. In one case, you
have an official Naval commission that looked at the evidence and
decided that Kerry was telling the truth. In the other case, you have a
bunch of ex-naval personnel making an accusation with no proof.

>
> It was a "group of Swiftboaters" versus "A committee of high ranking
> members of the Navy".

Right, and that is not the same situation, you idiot.

>
> I have no problem taking the side of the Swiftboaters. I have far more in
> common with them than with the members of that committee.

Of course you do, They are telling you what you want to hear. You don't
give a fig about what is real, only what makes you feel good. And, you
are willing to tell any lie if it makes you feel good.

>
> Someone said that since I have never been in the Navy--that I could not be
> part of their "band of brothers". I disagree--at the very least--I am one
> of their supporters and may be part of their band of brothers.

You are supporting liars. If you want to be "a band of brothers" with
that group, you are welcome to it. It only makes you look worse and
worse, if that is indeed possible.

>
> In the famous song by the Little River Bang entitled "Cool Change".
>
> There is a line in that sailing song that says:
>
> "It's kind of a special feeling when you are out on the sea alone. The
> albatross and the whales they are my brothers...."
>
> That means I am part of the Swiftboaters band of brothers.

That is possibly even more stupid than your usual idiocy. As I said, if
you want to be associated with liars, people who will tell any lie just
to get what they want, you are welcome to be a brother to the Swift Boat
Liars. You do fit right in (meaning you lie a lot).

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-ADC040...@news.eternal-september.org>,

I am proud to be a supporter of the Swiftboaters since I continue to
believe they were telling the truth.

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-09021...@67-150-175-83.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

[snip]

> I am proud to be a supporter of the Swiftboaters since I continue to
> believe they were telling the truth.

You are proud to be a liar, who refuses to look into the claims of liars
just because they have your "world view". In making decisions about who
is telling the truth, "world view" means nothing. Evidence means
everything. The evidence all favors Kerry and the people who testified
that he was correct. You knowingly support liars.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-F7FE31...@news.eternal-september.org>,

During the actual election--lots of veterans did not vote for Kerry and
that may have been the reason he lost that election.

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-09021...@67-150-175-83.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <dfritzin-F7FE31...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <Jason-09021...@67-150-175-83.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> > > I am proud to be a supporter of the Swiftboaters since I continue to
> > > believe they were telling the truth.
> >
> > You are proud to be a liar, who refuses to look into the claims of liars
> > just because they have your "world view". In making decisions about who
> > is telling the truth, "world view" means nothing. Evidence means
> > everything. The evidence all favors Kerry and the people who testified
> > that he was correct. You knowingly support liars.
>
> During the actual election--lots of veterans did not vote for Kerry and
> that may have been the reason he lost that election.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote. Do you often
engage in stream of consciousness conversations?

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-CB2EE0...@news.eternal-september.org>,

David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:

> In article
> <Jason-09021...@67-150-175-83.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > In article <dfritzin-F7FE31...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <Jason-09021...@67-150-175-83.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > >
> > > [snip]
> > > > I am proud to be a supporter of the Swiftboaters since I continue to
> > > > believe they were telling the truth.
> > >
> > > You are proud to be a liar, who refuses to look into the claims of liars
> > > just because they have your "world view". In making decisions about who
> > > is telling the truth, "world view" means nothing. Evidence means
> > > everything. The evidence all favors Kerry and the people who testified
> > > that he was correct. You knowingly support liars.
> >
> > During the actual election--lots of veterans did not vote for Kerry and
> > that may have been the reason he lost that election.
>
> Which has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote. Do you often
> engage in stream of consciousness conversations?

You missed the point--my point was that most all members of the military
and the veterans of the military took the side of the Swiftboaters and
voted against Kerry.

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-09021...@66-53-211-120.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Your point is that you have no point. You completely ignored what I had
written, so you could make the same attempt at a point that you have
tried to make numerous times. Whether Kerry lied or not has absolutely
nothing to do with the reason that veterans didn't vote for him. BTW, do
you actually have evidence that they didn't vote for him, or is this
like your evidence for Ye Floode, completely in your fervid imagination?

As I said last time you brought up that non-sequitur, the most likely
reason vets didn't vote en masse for Kerry is that many/most military or
former military tend to be Republican.

[Mitchell Holman]

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-09021...@66-53-211-120.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:

And that proves what, again?




"I know that is what millions of people believe but that
does not mean those people that believe it are correct."
Jason, Jan 9 2012

[Tom McDonald]

On 2/9/2012 11:35 AM, Jason wrote:

<snip>

> Someone said that since I have never been in the Navy--that I could not be
> part of their "band of brothers". I disagree--at the very least--I am one
> of their supporters and may be part of their band of brothers.

No, Jason, you are not. Not in the sense used by folks in the military;
nor by the makers of the mini-series, "Band of Brothers"; nor in the
sense the phrase came to be. Shakespeare coined the term, and defined
what it meant in a play more famous than your 'Cool Change' ditty.

> In the famous song by the Little River Bang entitled "Cool Change".
>
> There is a line in that sailing song that says:
>
> "It's kind of a special feeling when you are out on the sea alone. The
> albatross and the whales they are my brothers...."
>
> That means I am part of the Swiftboaters band of brothers.
>
>

So you have shed your blood with them, in fact and not just
metaphorically? You've been in battle with them, seen them be wounded,
die, act heroically and selfishly? Been entitled to wear the Combat
Infantry Badge? Gotten a Purple Heart?

No, you've done none of those things. You're a chickenhawk, Jason; a
wannabe who didn't do the hard and dangerous work to earn being a part
of a military 'band of brothers'.

Here's the context, with the relevant lines separated and highlighted,
from Shakespeare's "Henry V", Act 4, Scene III:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

This day is called the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian:'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispin's day.'
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
Familiar in his mouth as household words
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember'd.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;

----------------------------------
*We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:*
----------------------------------

And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

You, Jason, are one of those 'gentlemen in England now a-bed', and you
should hold your manhood cheap and feel accursed when you claim to be
part of a military 'band of brothers'.

Fucking chickenhawk.

[Waldo Tunnel]

On Feb 9, 9:35 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-FAFCCF.06515009022...@news.eternal-september.org>,
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> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <Jason-0902120129050...@67-150-175-145.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> >  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <dfritzin-3BCFD5.18572808022...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In article <Jason-0802121410120...@66-53-209-57.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
[...]

>
> Someone said that since I have never been in the Navy--that I could not be
> part of their "band of brothers". I disagree--at the very least--I am one
> of their supporters and may be part of their band of brothers.
>
> In the famous song by the Little River Bang entitled "Cool Change".
>
> There is a line in that sailing song that says:
>
> "It's kind of a special feeling when you are out on the sea alone. The
> albatross and the whales they are my brothers...."
>
> That means I am part of the Swiftboaters band of brothers.

A special definition, you mean. Not the one most people mean by the
term "band of brothers."

How do you rationalize this kind of behavior, as a so called
Christian? You were never in the service, yet you attack a certified
war hero. The only thing you align with, with these character
assassins, is your political dislike of Kerry and your willingness to
believe whatever you prefer to be true about him.

Do you have no shame, at long last?

[Waldo Tunnel]

On Feb 9, 12:42 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-CB2EE0.15332209022...@news.eternal-september.org>,

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> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article

> > <Jason-0902121137570...@67-150-175-83.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> >  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <dfritzin-F7FE31.14103909022...@news.eternal-september.org>,

> > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In article

> > > > <Jason-0902121059320...@67-150-175-83.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > >  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > [snip]
> > > > > I am proud to be a supporter of the Swiftboaters since I continue to
> > > > > believe they were telling the truth.
>
> > > > You are proud to be a liar, who refuses to look into the claims of liars
> > > > just because they have your "world view". In making decisions about who
> > > > is telling the truth, "world view" means nothing. Evidence means
> > > > everything. The evidence all favors Kerry and the people who testified
> > > > that he was correct. You knowingly support liars.
>
> > > During the actual election--lots of veterans did not vote for Kerry and
> > > that may have been the reason he lost that election.
>
> > Which has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote. Do you often
> > engage in stream of consciousness conversations?
>
> You missed the point--my point was that most all members of the military
> and the veterans of the military took the side of the Swiftboaters and
> voted against Kerry.

Lol! You still call yourself a "Christian" right?


.

"You are no longer beneath my contempt."

[Waldo Tunnel]

On Feb 9, 12:33 pm, David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com>
wrote:
> In article
> <Jason-0902121137570...@67-150-175-83.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

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>  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <dfritzin-F7FE31.14103909022...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > In article

> > > <Jason-0902121059320...@67-150-175-83.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > >  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > [snip]
> > > > I am proud to be a supporter of the Swiftboaters since I continue to
> > > > believe they were telling the truth.
>
> > > You are proud to be a liar, who refuses to look into the claims of liars
> > > just because they have your "world view". In making decisions about who
> > > is telling the truth, "world view" means nothing. Evidence means
> > > everything. The evidence all favors Kerry and the people who testified
> > > that he was correct. You knowingly support liars.
>
> > During the actual election--lots of veterans did not vote for Kerry and
> > that may have been the reason he lost that election.
>
> Which has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote. Do you often
> engage in stream of consciousness conversations?

Yes, he does.

[Wombat]

I personally liked the version said by Spike in that episode of Buffy
- "we few, we happy few, we band of buggered" as they went to take on
Glory. Just to lighten things a bit.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-4EC51A...@news.eternal-september.org>,

I agree with what you stated in your last paragraph. That did play a role.
However, Kerry's statements also played a role. I recently saw a you tube
video of Kerry saying some terrible things about soldiers in Viet Nam. For
example, if you google "Kerry cutting off ears" you may be able to see the
same video. He accused our soldiers that were in Viet Nam of cutting off
ears of innocent people. When thousands of soldiers and veterans saw that
same video on television--they decided to vote against Kerry. Do you blame
them?

[Jason]

In article
<4cf63533-09bc-409e...@tj4g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, Waldo
Tunnel <waldo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 9, 9:35=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <dfritzin-FAFCCF.06515009022...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >
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> > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <Jason-0902120129050...@67-150-175-145.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > In article <dfritzin-3BCFD5.18572808022...@news.eternal-september.org=

> >,
> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >

> > > > > In article <Jason-0802121410120...@66-53-209-57.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.c=
> om>,
> [...]
> >
> > Someone said that since I have never been in the Navy--that I could not b=

> e
> > part of their "band of brothers". I disagree--at the very least--I am one
> > of their supporters and may be part of their band of brothers.
> >
> > In the famous song by the Little River Bang entitled "Cool Change".
> >
> > There is a line in that sailing song that says:
> >
> > "It's kind of a special feeling when you are out on the sea alone. The
> > albatross and the whales they are my brothers...."
> >
> > That means I am part of the Swiftboaters band of brothers.
>
> A special definition, you mean. Not the one most people mean by the
> term "band of brothers."
>
> How do you rationalize this kind of behavior, as a so called
> Christian? You were never in the service, yet you attack a certified
> war hero. The only thing you align with, with these character
> assassins, is your political dislike of Kerry and your willingness to
> believe whatever you prefer to be true about him.
>
> Do you have no shame, at long last?

Google: "Kerry cutting off ears" and look on the google search results for
the video of Kerry accusing our soldiers that were in Viet Nam at that
time of cutting the ears off of innocent people.

When I saw that same video on television many years ago, I turned my back
on Kerry and took the side of the Swift Boaters--a group of very brave
members of the Navy. Do some internet research about the reason Kerry
received a purple heart. You will be shocked.

[Jason]

In article <NjZYq.2381$xH4....@newsfe19.iad>, Tom McDonald

I understand your point of view. I agree with you. I am not a member of
the Swift Boaters band of brothers since I have never been in the
military. However, I am one of their supporters.

[Jason]

In article <Xns9FF4B68DC3AFA...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell

That Kerry lost the support of the members of the military and veterans by
accusing our soldiers in Viet Nam at that time of cutting the ears off of
innocent people. Google "Kerry cutting off ears" and watch the you tube
video of Kerry making those bizarre statements about our brave young
soldiers.

[Waldo Tunnel]

On Feb 10, 12:15 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <4cf63533-09bc-409e-a7ff-3dcd826e3...@tj4g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, Waldo

Why do you change the subject? You are being intellectually
dishonest.

> and look on the google search results for
> the video of Kerry accusing our soldiers that were in Viet Nam at that
> time of cutting the ears off of innocent people.

No he didn't. He was quoting other people. Not that it makes any
difference. You are ducking and dodging the hard questions. Do you
think God wants you to be dishonest?

[Tom McDonald]

Ah, memories. Yup, that was a good'un. It made the same point, too.

[Tom McDonald]

But, of course, that actually did happen. There were news stories about
it at the time. It was bizarre, but not because Kerry pointed it out.

Or do you believe that no member of the American military every engaged
in war-time atrocities? My uncle, a Ranger with the first batch of the
First Ranger Battalion in WWII, told us of witnessing at least one
himself. He didn't talk about that until he was an old man, though he
talked quite a bit about his war-time experiences long before that. It
was like he needed to get it off his chest, to complete the picture of
his time in war.

You need to get off the idea that our soldiers in combat are pure as the
driven snow. Their service needs to be honored, and their wounds,
physical, mental, emotional and interpersonal, need to be given the best
possible care. But they are human, and a certain number of them crack
under the strain of combat and endless deployments, and some of those
broken men and women do heinous things. You should not blame the
messenger who speaks the truth about these things.

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-10021...@67-150-171-83.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Evidence? Besides, you realize the main point of the Swift Boat Liars
was to take away the fact that Kerry was a war hero in Vietnam, while
his opponent, GW Bush, managed to get a cushie air force reserve
position, being jumped to the head of the line because his father had
influence. The Republicans knew that if that (true) story stood, Bush
would lose lots of votes. So, they made up the lies. The true stories of
atrocities that Kerry told were just icing on the cake for the liars.

> I recently saw a you tube
> video of Kerry saying some terrible things about soldiers in Viet Nam. For
> example, if you google "Kerry cutting off ears" you may be able to see the
> same video. He accused our soldiers that were in Viet Nam of cutting off
> ears of innocent people. When thousands of soldiers and veterans saw that
> same video on television--they decided to vote against Kerry. Do you blame
> them?

As has been explained to you multiple times, US soldiers really did do
those things. It was only done by a small minority of the soldiers, but
it did happen. Kerry believed, and I agree, that the American public
should know about these things, so that it is less likely they will
happen in the future. You obviously believe in the ostrich
strategy-stick you head in the sand and pretend it never happened and
shoot the messenger.

[Mitchell Holman]

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-10021...@67-150-171-83.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:

Kerry was right.


Care to see a picture of a GI wearing
a necklace made of human ears?

http://tinyurl.com/768shes



How about one of a GI torturing a
Vietnamese prisoner?

http://tinyurl.com/6mky8ns

[Jason]

In article
<25a74aba-b09a-44cd...@x6g2000pbk.googlegroups.com>, Waldo
Tunnel <waldo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 10, 12:15=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article

> > <4cf63533-09bc-409e-a7ff-3dcd826e3...@tj4g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, Wald=
> o
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Tunnel <waldotun...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Feb 9, 9:35=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > In article <dfritzin-FAFCCF.06515009022...@news.eternal-september.org=

> >,
> >
> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <Jason-0902120129050...@67-150-175-145.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > > > =3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > In article <dfritzin-3BCFD5.18572808022...@news.eternal-september=
> .org=3D

> > > >,
> > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >

> > > > > > > In article <Jason-0802121410120...@66-53-209-57.lsan.mdsg-pacwe=
> st.c=3D
> > > om>,
> > > [...]
> >
> > > > Someone said that since I have never been in the Navy--that I could n=
> ot b=3D
> > > e
> > > > part of their "band of brothers". I disagree--at the very least--I am=

> one
> > > > of their supporters and may be part of their band of brothers.
> >
> > > > In the famous song by the Little River Bang entitled "Cool Change".
> >
> > > > There is a line in that sailing song that says:
> >

> > > > "It's kind of a special feeling when you are out on the sea alone. Th=

> e
> > > > albatross and the whales they are my brothers...."
> >
> > > > That means I am part of the Swiftboaters band of brothers.
> >
> > > A special definition, you mean. Not the one most people mean by the
> > > term "band of brothers."
> >
> > > How do you rationalize this kind of behavior, as a so called
> > > Christian? You were never in the service, yet you attack a certified
> > > war hero. The only thing you align with, with these character
> > > assassins, is your political dislike of Kerry and your willingness to
> > > believe whatever you prefer to be true about him.
> >
> > > Do you have no shame, at long last?
> >
> > Google: "Kerry cutting off ears"
>
> Why do you change the subject? You are being intellectually
> dishonest.
>
> > and look on the google search results for
> > the video of Kerry accusing our soldiers that were in Viet Nam at that
> > time of cutting the ears off of innocent people.
>
> No he didn't. He was quoting other people. Not that it makes any
> difference. You are ducking and dodging the hard questions. Do you
> think God wants you to be dishonest?

Did you see the video mentioned above? He clearly did believe everything
that he was reading. That was clear to me when I saw the video last week.
He showed his emotions when he read that report.

[Jason]

In article <Jx6Zq.633$cH7...@newsfe02.iad>, Tom McDonald

I agree with you. However, Kerry should NOT have read that statement.
Anti-War groups made those points and discussed that subject. One of the
reasons Kerry lost that election was because that video was shown on many
different networks.
That video caused most members of the military and most veterans to vote
against him. It also caused most of the family members of the members of
our military and veterans to vote against Kerry.

[Jason]

In article <Xns9FF547AA7A4B6...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell

It does not matter--Kerry should not have read that statement.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-9C8BA5...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Kerry should NOT have read that statement. My brother served in Viet Nam.
When he saw that video of Kerry reading that statement about our soldiers
cutting the ears off of innocent people--he was very angry. I was also
very angry . It caused lots of Americans to assume that most all of our
soldiers done those sorts of things. Many of our soldiers were badly
treated when they returned to America. Kerry is one of the reasons that
happened.

[Mitchell Holman]

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in news:Jason-1102120014500001@67-150-172-
201.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:

So wartime atrocites do not bother you,
REVEALING those wartime atrocities is all
that matters?

[Mitchell Holman]

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-11021...@67-150-172-201.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:

So you are not denying the truth of what
happen, you are just objecting to the TELLING
of that truth?

Are you aware that Kerry did NOT start the
Congressional investigation, he was only a witness?
What did you expect him to do when asked about the
the torture events - lie?

[Free Lunch]

On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:13:34 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:

>In article <Jx6Zq.633$cH7...@newsfe02.iad>, Tom McDonald
><tmcdon...@charter.net> wrote:

...

>> But, of course, that actually did happen. There were news stories about
>> it at the time. It was bizarre, but not because Kerry pointed it out.
>>
>> Or do you believe that no member of the American military every engaged
>> in war-time atrocities? My uncle, a Ranger with the first batch of the
>> First Ranger Battalion in WWII, told us of witnessing at least one
>> himself. He didn't talk about that until he was an old man, though he
>> talked quite a bit about his war-time experiences long before that. It
>> was like he needed to get it off his chest, to complete the picture of
>> his time in war.
>>
>> You need to get off the idea that our soldiers in combat are pure as the
>> driven snow. Their service needs to be honored, and their wounds,
>> physical, mental, emotional and interpersonal, need to be given the best
>> possible care. But they are human, and a certain number of them crack
>> under the strain of combat and endless deployments, and some of those
>> broken men and women do heinous things. You should not blame the
>> messenger who speaks the truth about these things.
>
>I agree with you. However, Kerry should NOT have read that statement.
>Anti-War groups made those points and discussed that subject. One of the
>reasons Kerry lost that election was because that video was shown on many
>different networks.

One of the reasons that we left Vietnam in ignimony is that we did have
some troops murdering civilians. We had military leaders who had no idea
how to run this war. We had presidents who were afraid to leave until it
became to embarrassing to stay. This was truly the low point of American
military.

>That video caused most members of the military and most veterans to vote
>against him. It also caused most of the family members of the members of
>our military and veterans to vote against Kerry.

So you think we should have keep murdering civilians without saying
anything about it. Once again, Jason, you show us how much you hate what
Jesus taught.

[Tom McDonald]

On 2/11/2012 2:13 AM, Jason wrote:
> In article<Jx6Zq.633$cH7...@newsfe02.iad>, Tom McDonald

Yes, it can be hard for conservatives to hear the truth and accept the
messenger. You tend to prefer nice fictional stories where all American
troops are brave and true and compassionate and law-abiding. You love
war, but hate the truth about what it does to the warriors.

> That video caused most members of the military and most veterans to vote
> against him. It also caused most of the family members of the members of
> our military and veterans to vote against Kerry.
>
>

Cite? Or is this one of your 'truths' that you just made up?

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-11021...@67-150-172-201.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Why were you angry at Kerry? He only reported what happened. The anger
should have been reserved to the people who actually did the atrocities.

> It caused lots of Americans to assume that most all of our
> soldiers done those sorts of things. Many of our soldiers were badly
> treated when they returned to America. Kerry is one of the reasons that
> happened.

Why do you want to shoot the messenger? If what he said was true, and if
the atrocities were as bad as he claimed (both true), it should have
been made public. Do you also think the My Lai massacre should have
remained secret? Abu Ghraib?

BTW, Kerry was *not* one of the reasons soldiers were badly treated upon
their return. It was wrong, but their treatment was a result of the
extreme animosity of many Americans towards the Vietnam war. They took
much of it out on the soldiers, which was wrong, especially since most
soldiers were draftees. However, since much of the mistreatment of the
returning soldiers occurred *before* Kerry made his statement, he could
not have been the reason.

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-11021...@67-150-172-201.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

You have no evidence that Kerry's statement was the reason why veterans
voted against him. Besides, if what he reported was true, and
unfortunately, it was, it needed to be reported. A free and open society
like ours should *NOT* try to sweep things like that under the rug.

> That video caused most members of the military and most veterans to vote
> against him. It also caused most of the family members of the members of
> our military and veterans to vote against Kerry.

Evidence?

[David Fritzinger]

In article <96tcj7l49p6iu6ksc...@4ax.com>,

Not to mention the fact that Jason appears to hate all that the USA
stands for.

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-11021...@67-150-172-201.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

If he believed it, why shouldn't he have said it? You say that liars
like Morris believe what they say, so it's OK for them to say it, even
though it is all lies. What Kerry said was the truth, unfortunately. Why
don't you think Americans can stand an unpleasant truth? Why do you
think such an unpleasant truth should be hidden? Do you want the
atrocities to continue? Do you believe that we shouldn't have learned
about the atrocities at Abu Ghraib?

[ala]

"Tom McDonald" <tmcdon...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:znvZq.13813$9j5....@newsfe09.iad...

>>
> Cite? Or is this one of your 'truths' that you just made up?

this problem is never going to affect where i work

[ala]

"Jason" <Ja...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:Jason-09021...@67-150-175-83.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com...

>
> You are the one that stated: "Different situation entirely".
>
> It was a "group of Swiftboaters" versus "A committee of high ranking
> members of the Navy".
>
> I have no problem taking the side of the Swiftboaters. I have far more in
> common with them than with the members of that committee.
>
> Someone said that since I have never been in the Navy--that I could not be
> part of their "band of brothers". I disagree--at the very least--I am one

> of their supporters and may be part of their band of brothers.
>
> In the famous song by the Little River Bang entitled "Cool Change".
>
> There is a line in that sailing song that says:
>

> "It's kind of a special feeling when you are out on the sea alone. The

> albatross and the whales they are my brothers...."
>
> That means I am part of the Swiftboaters band of brothers.
>
>

I'd never go sailing

I'd kill a lot of people

[Jason]

In article <Xns9FF646AC561E7...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell

Kerry may have won that election if he had not read that stupid report.
Let the members of anti-war groups read those sorts of statements.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-5FABB5...@news.eternal-september.org>,

I have NEVER stated the unpleasant truth should be hidden. My point was
that Kerry should NOT have read that statement. The members of anti-war
groups could have been invited to Congress and have read that statement.
They probably have their own websites and have all sorts of stuff like
that on their websites. They have freedom of speech so are allowed to
write and say those types of things. It's my guess that Kerry would have
won that election if he had not read that statement. After that tape was
broadcast on lots of news shows--he lost the support of millions of
people.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-F10CD8...@news.eternal-september.org>,

It's my opinion that Kerry should have been a supporter of the members of
our military since he served in the military.

[Jason]

In article <Xns9FF648DC3D159...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell

No--he should have remained silent or read something positive about the
members of the military.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-BEF708...@news.eternal-september.org>,

It's an opinion based on the fact that Kerry lost that election.

[Jason]

In article <znvZq.13813$9j5....@newsfe09.iad>, Tom McDonald

It's a personal opinion.

[Jason]

In article <96tcj7l49p6iu6ksc...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
<lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

Do you believe that most of the soldiers in Viet Nam murdered innocent
civilians?

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-11021...@67-150-170-121.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

NO! And stop lying by trying to twist other's words. Atrocities were
only performed by a small number of US soldiers. Nevertheless, the fact
is that the murders and the atrocities did take place. It is wrong to
try to hide the fact that they did. In fact, I would go one step further
and say it is evil to cover up the fact they took place. If you keep
covering up the atrocities that were performed, then they will continue,
and, most likely, get worse.

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-11021...@67-150-170-121.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Stop lying by announcing your stupid opinions as if they were facts.

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-11021...@67-150-170-121.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

You are admitting that we should never admit the mistakes our soldiers
make? Even if those mistakes make other soldiers jobs that much harder
because they turn the population of the country we are fighting in
against us? Why do you hate America? Why do you celebrate liars?

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-11021...@67-150-170-121.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

[snip]

> > Why do you want to shoot the messenger? If what he said was true, and if
> > the atrocities were as bad as he claimed (both true), it should have
> > been made public. Do you also think the My Lai massacre should have
> > remained secret? Abu Ghraib?
> >
> > BTW, Kerry was *not* one of the reasons soldiers were badly treated upon
> > their return. It was wrong, but their treatment was a result of the
> > extreme animosity of many Americans towards the Vietnam war. They took
> > much of it out on the soldiers, which was wrong, especially since most
> > soldiers were draftees. However, since much of the mistreatment of the
> > returning soldiers occurred *before* Kerry made his statement, he could
> > not have been the reason.
>
> It's my opinion that Kerry should have been a supporter of the members of
> our military since he served in the military.

You are an amoral idiot. When members of the military (or anyone else,
for that matter) commit war crimes, those crimes need to be exposed, and
the perps punished. Otherwise, things will just get worse.

Why do you hate honesty and justice so? Why do you hate the US so?

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-11021...@67-150-170-121.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

[snip]

> I have NEVER stated the unpleasant truth should be hidden. My point was
> that Kerry should NOT have read that statement.

Jason, read the first sentence, then read the second. In the second, you
say that the unpleasant truths *SHOULD* be hidden. You are such a liar
that you cannot even keep your story straight from one sentence to the
next one.

> The members of anti-war
> groups could have been invited to Congress and have read that statement.
> They probably have their own websites and have all sorts of stuff like
> that on their websites.

My God, are you an idiot. How many websites do you think existed in the
early '70s. The answer is none.

>They have freedom of speech so are allowed to
> write and say those types of things. It's my guess that Kerry would have
> won that election if he had not read that statement. After that tape was
> broadcast on lots of news shows--he lost the support of millions of
> people.

So you say, but you have admitted that you are just guessing. You really
are a liar who obviously hates Christianity.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-EDF8D0...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Let the members of anti-war groups do it. Kerry did not need to do it.

I have noticed that Kerry (as far as I know) has NOT spoken out against
the radical Muslims that have cut the heads off of innocent people. Some
websites show those beheadings. Did Kerry speak out when two young people
were stoned to death in Iran and it was condoned by the gov't of Iran. The
two young people (one male and one female) were unmarried and were caught
having sex.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-2771B2...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Let the members of anti-war groups do it. Kerry did not have to do it.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-DACFF3...@news.eternal-september.org>,

I should have done a better job of making it clear that it was a personal
opinion.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-4DEDCE...@news.eternal-september.org>,

David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:

> In article
> <Jason-11021...@67-150-170-121.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> [snip]
> > I have NEVER stated the unpleasant truth should be hidden. My point was
> > that Kerry should NOT have read that statement.
>
> Jason, read the first sentence, then read the second. In the second, you
> say that the unpleasant truths *SHOULD* be hidden. You are such a liar
> that you cannot even keep your story straight from one sentence to the
> next one.
>
> > The members of anti-war
> > groups could have been invited to Congress and have read that statement.
> > They probably have their own websites and have all sorts of stuff like
> > that on their websites.
>
> My God, are you an idiot. How many websites do you think existed in the
> early '70s. The answer is none.

Re-read the above first sentence--the first 5 words of that sentence are:
The members of anti-war groups....

[Mitchell Holman]

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in news:Jason-1102121514590001@67-150-170-
121.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:

How do you "say something positive" when asked the
abuse of civilians that you have witnesses?

[Free Lunch]

On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:18:39 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

Why do you ask such a question? Why do you insult our troops like that?

[Free Lunch]

On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 16:47:45 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

You are profoundly dishonest in your attacks on American soldiers,
Jason. Your behavior is shameful.

[Free Lunch]

On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:16:44 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:

One that you arrived at while ignoring the facts.

You really hate Americans.

[Free Lunch]

On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 16:50:20 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:

>In article <dfritzin-DACFF3...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:

...

>> Stop lying by announcing your stupid opinions as if they were facts.
>
>I should have done a better job of making it clear that it was a personal
>opinion.
>

You should stop jumping to personal opinions that are completely
unsupported by any evidence and are often contrary to the evidence. You
show us that you hate people, don't give a damn about them and have
rejected what Jesus taught. How dare you claim to be Christian.

[Mitchell Holman]

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-11021...@67-150-170-121.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:

Everything you post here is your personal
opinion, utterly devoid of fact or rational
thinking.


"The best example is Jesus who was also a God.
He spent lots of time involved in meditation."
Jason, Jan 8 2012. There is no mention Jesus
meditating in the Bible.

[Waldo Tunnel]

On Feb 11, 12:07 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <25a74aba-b09a-44cd-9e66-532825d5a...@x6g2000pbk.googlegroups.com>, Waldo
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tunnel <waldotun...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > On Feb 10, 12:15=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > In article

> > > <4cf63533-09bc-409e-a7ff-3dcd826e3...@tj4g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, Wald=
> > o
>
> > > Tunnel <waldotun...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Feb 9, 9:35=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

[...]

> > > > How do you rationalize this kind of behavior, as a so called
> > > > Christian? You were never in the service, yet you attack a certified
> > > > war hero. The only thing you align with, with these character
> > > > assassins, is your political dislike of Kerry and your willingness to
> > > > believe whatever you prefer to be true about him.
>
> > > > Do you have no shame, at long last?
>

> > > Google: "Kerry cutting off ears"
>

> > Why do you change the subject? You are being intellectually
> > dishonest.
>
> > > and look on the google search results for

> > > the video of Kerry accusing our soldiers that were in Viet Nam at that

> > > time of cutting the ears off of innocent people.
>

> > No he didn't. He was quoting other people. Not that it makes any
> > difference. You are ducking and dodging the hard questions. Do you
> > think God wants you to be dishonest?
>
> Did you see the video mentioned above? He clearly did believe everything
> that he was reading.

I would hope so. But you said it was "Kerry accusing our soldiers,"
which you now admit isn't true. Correct?

It is also a red herring. You have attacked a certified war hero for
political reasons.

Are you a patriot or not? Admit you made a mistake.

[Jason]

In article <Xns9FF6D37557115...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell

Kerry was a veteran that fought in Viet Nam. He should only say positive
things about his fellow members of the military. He should NOT have
accused our brave young soldiers of terrible crimes. I am glad that he
lost that election.

[Jason]

In article
<ec0b0830-9b4c-47b2...@g4g2000pbi.googlegroups.com>, Waldo
Tunnel <waldo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 11, 12:07=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > <25a74aba-b09a-44cd-9e66-532825d5a...@x6g2000pbk.googlegroups.com>, Waldo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Tunnel <waldotun...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > On Feb 10, 12:15=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > In article

> > > > <4cf63533-09bc-409e-a7ff-3dcd826e3...@tj4g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, =
> Wald=3D
> > > o
> >
> > > > Tunnel <waldotun...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > On Feb 9, 9:35=3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > > > > How do you rationalize this kind of behavior, as a so called

> > > > > Christian? You were never in the service, yet you attack a certifie=

> d
> > > > > war hero. The only thing you align with, with these character

> > > > > assassins, is your political dislike of Kerry and your willingness =

> to
> > > > > believe whatever you prefer to be true about him.
> >
> > > > > Do you have no shame, at long last?
> >
> > > > Google: "Kerry cutting off ears"
> >
> > > Why do you change the subject? You are being intellectually
> > > dishonest.
> >
> > > > and look on the google search results for

> > > > the video of Kerry accusing our soldiers that were in Viet Nam at tha=

> t
> > > > time of cutting the ears off of innocent people.
> >
> > > No he didn't. He was quoting other people. Not that it makes any
> > > difference. You are ducking and dodging the hard questions. Do you
> > > think God wants you to be dishonest?
> >
> > Did you see the video mentioned above? He clearly did believe everything
> > that he was reading.
>
> I would hope so. But you said it was "Kerry accusing our soldiers,"
> which you now admit isn't true. Correct?
>
> It is also a red herring. You have attacked a certified war hero for
> political reasons.
>
> Are you a patriot or not? Admit you made a mistake.

I saw the video--have you seen the video? He was reading a report. I don't
know who wrote it. It was once my guess that he wrote it. Regardless of
who wrote it, he should not have read it.

[Jason]

> >> So you think we should have keep murdering civilians without saying
> >> anything about it. Once again, Jason, you show us how much you hate what
> >> Jesus taught.
> >
> >Do you believe that most of the soldiers in Viet Nam murdered innocent
> >civilians?
> >
> Why do you ask such a question? Why do you insult our troops like that?

Read the statement directly above my post. I made it easy for you.

[Jason]

In article <p8eej7decda88a7l0...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

LOL--Kerry is the person that made verbal attacks on American soldiers.

[Waldo Tunnel]

On Feb 11, 11:45 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <ec0b0830-9b4c-47b2-8e2f-9d7d00014...@g4g2000pbi.googlegroups.com>, Waldo

It seems you can't answer a single one of my questions. You just
throw questions back at me. How come?

My hypothesis is that you can't deliver of candor when the topic
approaches core beliefs.

[Alex W]

On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 02:38:55 -0800 (PST), Waldo Tunnel
wrote:

It's really more than a hypothesis; this has been proven
beyond a reasonable doubt, and Jason continues to provide
yet more evidencewith almost every post he makes. He
subordinates everything to preserve the primacy of his
religious tenets. Jason is the type of True Believer (TM)
who would deny Jesus Christ to his face at the Second Coming
if said alleged deity dared to contradict his core beliefs.

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-11021...@67-150-173-53.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Again, I will ask the question. Do you believe that the military should
have hidden the atrocities that occurred at My Lai? At Abu Ghraib? Both
implicate misdeeds by members of the US military (a small fraction
thereof). Should we not let our citizens know about these misdeeds? If
we should, why do you blame the messenger? If we shouldn't, do you think
that the voters of this country should remain uninformed of what is
being done in their name?

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-11021...@67-150-170-121.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <dfritzin-4DEDCE...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <Jason-11021...@67-150-170-121.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> > > I have NEVER stated the unpleasant truth should be hidden. My point was
> > > that Kerry should NOT have read that statement.
> >
> > Jason, read the first sentence, then read the second. In the second, you
> > say that the unpleasant truths *SHOULD* be hidden. You are such a liar
> > that you cannot even keep your story straight from one sentence to the
> > next one.
> >
> > > The members of anti-war
> > > groups could have been invited to Congress and have read that statement.
> > > They probably have their own websites and have all sorts of stuff like
> > > that on their websites.
> >
> > My God, are you an idiot. How many websites do you think existed in the
> > early '70s. The answer is none.
>
> Re-read the above first sentence--the first 5 words of that sentence are:
> The members of anti-war groups....

Still you want to shoot the messenger for saying things you don't like
hearing. It is a constant problem with you.

[David Fritzinger]

Kerry, who is obviously a far better Christian than you are, believed it
was his responsibility to do it. He stood by his convictions, and did
what needed to be done. Face it, if anti-war groups were the only ones
talking about the abuses in Vietnam, it would not have been believed.
When members of the military, especially decorated members of the
military speak out, it becomes much more believable. That is why Kerry
felt he should speak out, and if you were a Christian, you would honor
his courage.

[David Fritzinger]

It would have been dismissed out of hand if only members of antiwar
groups did it. By having decorated veterans tell the truth, it becomes
much more noticed and, hopefully, acted upon.

>
> I have noticed that Kerry (as far as I know) has NOT spoken out against
> the radical Muslims that have cut the heads off of innocent people. Some
> websites show those beheadings. Did Kerry speak out when two young people
> were stoned to death in Iran and it was condoned by the gov't of Iran. The
> two young people (one male and one female) were unmarried and were caught
> having sex.

That sound you just heard was the goalposts being moved.

Now, did Bush speak out? Cheney? Rove? McConnell? Boehner? Why are you
just picking on Kerry?

[Mitchell Holman]

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-11021...@67-150-173-53.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:

Here is the way testimony works, Jason. You
take an oath to tell the TRUTH.

Not "something positive", but THE TRUTH.

Besides, isn't that a requirement in your
Ten Commandments?

Kerry told the truth, Bush told lies.

Which one did you vote for, again?

[Mitchell Holman]

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-11021...@67-150-173-53.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:

Kerry was sworn to tell the truth and DID tell the truth.

Would you have preferred he lied?

[Mitchell Holman]

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-11021...@67-150-173-53.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:

He wasn't asked to say positive things, he was
ordered to tell the TRUTH. And he did tell the truth.

What is your objection to telling the truth?



Care to see a picture of a GI wearing
a necklace made of human ears?

http://tinyurl.com/768shes



How about one of a GI torturing a
Vietnamese prisoner?

http://tinyurl.com/6mky8ns

[Free Lunch]

On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:50:07 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

alt.talk.creationism:

>In article <p8eej7decda88a7l0...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
><lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 16:47:45 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
>> alt.talk.creationism:

...

>> You are profoundly dishonest in your attacks on American soldiers,
>> Jason. Your behavior is shameful.
>
>LOL--Kerry is the person that made verbal attacks on American soldiers.
>

Once again, you misrepresent what Kerry did. You really need to stop
believing the anti-American propaganda of the far right.

[Free Lunch]

On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:05:41 -0500, David Fritzinger
<dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote in alt.talk.creationism:

Jason proves to us in his posts that he is neither a Christian nor
patriotic. He's just an ignorant twerp repeating the lies that the right
tells, lies that mock what Jesus taught, lies that mock hardworking
Americans who don't have millions.

Remember, Jason, if you don't have millions, you don't count to the GOP.

[Free Lunch]

On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:45:57 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:

>In article
><ec0b0830-9b4c-47b2...@g4g2000pbi.googlegroups.com>, Waldo
>Tunnel <waldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 11, 12:07=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

...

>> > Did you see the video mentioned above? He clearly did believe everything
>> > that he was reading.
>>
>> I would hope so. But you said it was "Kerry accusing our soldiers,"
>> which you now admit isn't true. Correct?
>>
>> It is also a red herring. You have attacked a certified war hero for
>> political reasons.
>>
>> Are you a patriot or not? Admit you made a mistake.
>
>I saw the video--have you seen the video? He was reading a report. I don't
>know who wrote it. It was once my guess that he wrote it. Regardless of
>who wrote it, he should not have read it.
>

So you are saying that he should have refused to speak to Congress when
he was asked there? Why should he have put himself in contempt of
Congress?

You hate our government. You hate our nation.

[RichTravsky]

Jason wrote:
> In article <NjZYq.2381$xH4....@newsfe19.iad>, Tom McDonald
> <tmcdon...@charter.net> wrote:
> > On 2/9/2012 11:35 AM, Jason wrote:
> > > Someone said that since I have never been in the Navy--that I could not be
> > > part of their "band of brothers". I disagree--at the very least--I am one
> > > of their supporters and may be part of their band of brothers.
> >
> > No, Jason, you are not. Not in the sense used by folks in the military;
> > nor by the makers of the mini-series, "Band of Brothers"; nor in the
> > sense the phrase came to be. Shakespeare coined the term, and defined
> > what it meant in a play more famous than your 'Cool Change' ditty.
> >
> > > In the famous song by the Little River Bang entitled "Cool Change".
> > >
> > > There is a line in that sailing song that says:
> > >
> > > "It's kind of a special feeling when you are out on the sea alone. The
> > > albatross and the whales they are my brothers...."
> > >
> > > That means I am part of the Swiftboaters band of brothers.
> >
> > So you have shed your blood with them, in fact and not just
> > metaphorically? You've been in battle with them, seen them be wounded,
> > die, act heroically and selfishly? Been entitled to wear the Combat
> > Infantry Badge? Gotten a Purple Heart?
> >
> > No, you've done none of those things. You're a chickenhawk, Jason; a
> > wannabe who didn't do the hard and dangerous work to earn being a part
> > of a military 'band of brothers'.
> >
> > Here's the context, with the relevant lines separated and highlighted,
> > from Shakespeare's "Henry V", Act 4, Scene III:
> >
> > This day is called the feast of Crispian:
> > He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
> > Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
> > And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
> > He that shall live this day, and see old age,
> > Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
> > And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian:'
> > Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
> > And say 'These wounds I had on Crispin's day.'
> > Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
> > But he'll remember with advantages
> > What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
> > Familiar in his mouth as household words
> > Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
> > Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
> > Be in their flowing cups freshly remember'd.
> > This story shall the good man teach his son;
> > And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
> > From this day to the ending of the world,
> > But we in it shall be remember'd;
> >
> > ----------------------------------
> > *We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
> > For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
> > Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
> > This day shall gentle his condition:*
> > ----------------------------------
> >
> > And gentlemen in England now a-bed
> > Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
> > And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
> > That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.
> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> > You, Jason, are one of those 'gentlemen in England now a-bed', and you
> > should hold your manhood cheap and feel accursed when you claim to be
> > part of a military 'band of brothers'.
> >
> > Fucking chickenhawk.
>
> I understand your point of view. I agree with you. I am not a member of
> the Swift Boaters band of brothers since I have never been in the
> military. However, I am one of their supporters.

Why do you support liars?

[RichTravsky]

Jason wrote:
>
> In article <Xns9FF6D37557115...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in news:Jason-1102121514590001@67-150-170-
> > 121.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:

> > >> Are you aware that Kerry did NOT start the
> > >> Congressional investigation, he was only a witness?
> > >> What did you expect him to do when asked about the
> > >> the torture events - lie?
> > >
> > > No--he should have remained silent or read something positive about the
> > > members of the military.
> > >
> >
> >
> > How do you "say something positive" when asked the
> > abuse of civilians that you have witnesses?
>
> Kerry was a veteran that fought in Viet Nam. He should only say positive
> things about his fellow members of the military. He should NOT have
> accused our brave young soldiers of terrible crimes. I am glad that he
> lost that election.

The swift boaters were saying negative things about Kerry. Double standard?

[Jason]

In article <4F389E75...@hotmMOVEail.com>, RichTravsky

Because I believe they were telling the truth and we share world views.

[Jason]

In article <4F389F94...@hotmMOVEail.com>, RichTravsky

I don't blame them--esp. if they saw the video of Kerry accusing our brave
young soldiers that fought in Viet Nam of committing terrible crimes such
as cutting the ears off of innocent people.

[Mitchell Holman]

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-13021...@67-150-124-116.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:

Some troops WERE cutting off and wearing
the ears of Vietnamese. GI's DID torture
civilians at times. He spoke the truth.

Obviously you cannot handle the truth.

[Jason]

In article <Xns9FF84A9C82B47...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell

I don't care if anti-war people appear before Congress and discuss war
crimes. However, when Kerry done it---it caused most members of our
military; military veterans; and the family members and friends of members
of the military to vote against Kerry. It played a role in Kerry losing
the election.

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-14021...@66-53-214-122.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Provide evidence for that assertion.

[Mitchell Holman]

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-14021...@66-53-214-122.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:

So veterans don't care about the truth, they
prefer to believe lies?

Germans can acknowledge the wartime atrocities
their troops committed but Americans cannot?

[Jason]

In article <Xns9FF9530172611...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell

Re-read what I stated--the members of anti-war groups can appear before
Congress and acknowledge the wartime atrocities. You are an excellent
speller.

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-14021...@67-150-174-254.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <Xns9FF9530172611...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:

[snip]

> >
> > So veterans don't care about the truth, they
> > prefer to believe lies?
> >
> > Germans can acknowledge the wartime atrocities
> > their troops committed but Americans cannot?
>
> Re-read what I stated--the members of anti-war groups can appear before
> Congress and acknowledge the wartime atrocities. You are an excellent
> speller.

Why do you want people in the military to lie? Why do you want them to
commit perjury?

[ala]

"Jason" <Ja...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:Jason-14021...@67-150-174-254.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com...

>
> Re-read what I stated--the members of anti-war groups can appear before
> Congress and acknowledge the wartime atrocities. You are an excellent
> speller.
>
>

BEn Ferencz, the Nuremberg prosecutor, said that the UN and etc are creating
a law called "Crime of Aggression"

It has been stalled for some time, but the members are slowly coming to
agreement as to the wording and terms

I kind of think maybe Bush was in a hurry to hit Iraq because if he had
attacked after the law is passed, he would have been immediately guilty
\
anyway, I hope the Palestinians and Israelis can duke it out under that law
instead of the bloody way they are doing it now

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-8B4DFB...@news.eternal-september.org>,

I don't want them to lie or commit perjury. I was discussing anti-war
groups--not members of our military.

[David Fritzinger]

In article <Jason-16021...@67-150-125-4.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <dfritzin-8B4DFB...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <Jason-14021...@67-150-174-254.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > In article <Xns9FF9530172611...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > >
> > > > So veterans don't care about the truth, they
> > > > prefer to believe lies?
> > > >
> > > > Germans can acknowledge the wartime atrocities
> > > > their troops committed but Americans cannot?
> > >
> > > Re-read what I stated--the members of anti-war groups can appear before
> > > Congress and acknowledge the wartime atrocities. You are an excellent
> > > speller.
> >
> > Why do you want people in the military to lie? Why do you want them to
> > commit perjury?
>
> I don't want them to lie or commit perjury. I was discussing anti-war
> groups--not members of our military.

Kerry was called to testify by Congress. Was he supposed to lie under
oath, just to satisfy a bunch of yahoos like you?

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-6B1782...@news.eternal-september.org>,

David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:

> In article <Jason-16021...@67-150-125-4.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > In article <dfritzin-8B4DFB...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <Jason-14021...@67-150-174-254.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <Xns9FF9530172611...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > [snip]
> > > > >
> > > > > So veterans don't care about the truth, they
> > > > > prefer to believe lies?
> > > > >
> > > > > Germans can acknowledge the wartime atrocities
> > > > > their troops committed but Americans cannot?
> > > >
> > > > Re-read what I stated--the members of anti-war groups can appear before
> > > > Congress and acknowledge the wartime atrocities. You are an excellent
> > > > speller.
> > >
> > > Why do you want people in the military to lie? Why do you want them to
> > > commit perjury?
> >
> > I don't want them to lie or commit perjury. I was discussing anti-war
> > groups--not members of our military.
>
> Kerry was called to testify by Congress. Was he supposed to lie under
> oath, just to satisfy a bunch of yahoos like you?

He could have remained silent. I seem to recall that he was a lawyer
representing an anti-war group. However, I could be wrong.

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-16021...@67-150-173-128.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

He was a veteran who came before Congress, under oath. He told the
truth. That takes far more courage than lying idiots like the Swift Boat
Liars, who just make up stuff.

Why do you want to shoot the messenger? He said things that the American
public should know about. I'm sorry if it hurts your tender
sensibilities.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-19F6FA...@news.eternal-september.org>,

My brother served in the Viet Nam war. That is why my brother and myself
were deeply offended by his remarks. It's the reason we took the side of
the Swift Boaters--we identified with the Swift Boaters.

[David Fritzinger]

When did you lie? When you said you believed the Swift Boat Liars
because they shared your "world view", or the above?

I'm so sorry that you and your brother sensibilities are so offended by
being told the truth. If you can't deal with the truth, you should go
off into your own little world.

Oh, wait! You already have...

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-D85C0D...@news.eternal-september.org>,

I believed the Swift Boaters for several different reasons--the main
reason was because I believed they were telling the truth. I also believed
that Kerry was lying and was a scumbag for saying negative things about
the brave young members of our military that served in Viet Nam. I was in
college when that war was going on and there were protests against that
war on my college campus. I did not join those protesters and am glad I
did not join them.