Moerman P. In het spoor van de Neanderthal-mens. Boekerij, Baarn, 1977

[I Envy JTEM]

I can't find a copy, not even is Japanese or
Latin or whatever it is...

Is there an online citation? PDF?




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Op maandag 27 juni 2022 om 19:55:56 UTC+2 schreef I Envy JTEM:

> I can't find a copy, not even is Japanese or
> Latin or whatever it is...
> Is there an online citation? PDF?

Don't you see it's Dutch??

I have this book at home (>>100 books on primate/human evolution).
p.80-81:
"... Zelfs beweerde Hauser dat, hoewel de weke delen van de schedel natuurlijk allang vergaan waren, de uiterlijke vorm van de neus door dit kussen nog herkend kon worden!
De neusgaten zouden bij de Neanderthaler niet naar beneden, doch veel meer naar voren gericht moeten zijn geweest!"
Otto Hauser
-1917 "Der Mensch vor 100.000 Jahren" Brockhaus Leipzig,
-1922 "Ins Paradies des Urmenschen" Hoffmann & Campe Hamburg,
-1927 "De Erde Eiszeit und Sindflut" Stilke Berlin.

[DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves]

Hauser even claimed that although the soft tissues of the skull had long since decayed, the outward shape of the nose could still be recognized by this pillow!
The nostrils in Neanderthals should not have been pointing downwards, but much more forward!"
Otto Hauser

Note that this condition is most closely to typical West Central African noses, and completely different from "Roman nose", Greek nose", "Jewish/Arab nose", " Hindu nose" all of which orient nasal apertures downwards.

https://pin.it/5whfyNO

Gorillas have forward oriented nasal apertures, unlike chimp, orangutan, gibbons and most monkeys.

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Op dinsdag 28 juni 2022 om 00:55:35 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

...

> > I have this book at home (>>100 books on primate/human evolution), p.80-81:

> > "... Zelfs beweerde Hauser dat, hoewel de weke delen van de schedel natuurlijk allang vergaan waren, de uiterlijke vorm van de neus door dit kussen nog herkend kon worden!
> > De neusgaten zouden bij de Neanderthaler niet naar beneden, doch veel meer naar voren gericht moeten zijn geweest!"
> > Otto Hauser
> > -1917 "Der Mensch vor 100.000 Jahren" Brockhaus Leipzig,
> > -1922 "Ins Paradies des Urmenschen" Hoffmann & Campe Hamburg,
> > -1927 "De Erde Eiszeit und Sindflut" Stilke Berlin.

> Hauser even claimed that although the soft tissues of the skull had long since decayed, the outward shape of the nose could still be recognized by this pillow!
> The nostrils in Neanderthals should not have been pointing downwards, but much more forward!"
> Otto Hauser
> Note that this condition is most closely to typical West Central African noses, and completely different from "Roman nose", Greek nose", "Jewish/Arab nose", " Hindu nose" all of which orient nasal apertures downwards.
> https://pin.it/5whfyNO

Yes, possible. Most Hs have the nostrils downwards, but this might have differed from Hn.
The nasal muscles might also have been different. Still uncertain.
What is certain: our external nose was no adaptation for running after kudus... :-DDD

[DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves]

On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 7:22:20 PM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> Op dinsdag 28 juni 2022 om 00:55:35 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
>
> ...
>
> > > I have this book at home (>>100 books on primate/human evolution), p.80-81:
> > > "... Zelfs beweerde Hauser dat, hoewel de weke delen van de schedel natuurlijk allang vergaan waren, de uiterlijke vorm van de neus door dit kussen nog herkend kon worden!
> > > De neusgaten zouden bij de Neanderthaler niet naar beneden, doch veel meer naar voren gericht moeten zijn geweest!"
> > > Otto Hauser
> > > -1917 "Der Mensch vor 100.000 Jahren" Brockhaus Leipzig,
> > > -1922 "Ins Paradies des Urmenschen" Hoffmann & Campe Hamburg,
> > > -1927 "De Erde Eiszeit und Sindflut" Stilke Berlin.
>
> > Hauser even claimed that although the soft tissues of the skull had long since decayed, the outward shape of the nose could still be recognized by this pillow!
> > The nostrils in Neanderthals should not have been pointing downwards, but much more forward!"
> > Otto Hauser
> > Note that this condition is most closely to typical West Central African noses, and completely different from "Roman nose", Greek nose", "Jewish/Arab nose", " Hindu nose" all of which orient nasal apertures downwards.
> > https://pin.it/5whfyNO
> Yes, possible.

No, parsimonious. The long hooded nose is probably derived, due to climate: arid / montane habitat, where moisture is conserved.

Most Hs have the nostrils downwards, but this might have differed from Hn.
> The nasal muscles might also have been different. Still uncertain.
> What is certain: our external nose was no adaptation for running after kudus... :-DDD

San bushmen nasal aperture:
https://images.app.goo.gl/HDhNhhfPYyP4NzyR9

[Pandora]

Again, let's see what Hauser really said. The original paper
"Découverte d’un squelette du type du Neandertal sous l’abri inférieur
du Moustier" is available here:
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5864483g/f16.image.r=hauser?rk=42918;4#

On page 6 it reads:
"le nez avait été protégé par deux morceaux de silex, dont l'un
appliqué sur le dos du nez et l'autre.sur sa base. La position de ce
dernier silex, qui est en forme de plaque, montre que les narines
n'étaient pas dirigées de haut en bas, mais d'arrière en avant, avec
une légère inclinaison de haut en bas."

(the nose had been protected by two pieces of flint, one of which is
applied to the back of the nose and the other on its base. The
position of this last flint, which is plate-shaped, shows that the
nostrils were not directed downwards, but forwards, with a slight tilt
downwards.)

In other words, Hauser did not infer the shape of the nose from an
original soft tissue impression, but indirectly from the position of
two pieces of flint.
That's a highly questionable approach to soft tissue reconstruction.
We don't even know if the flints were in their original position
around the profile of the nose. Fig. 5 in that paper does not all
justify any reconstruction of the nose on the basis of these flints
(labeled 1 and 2), or the suggestion that the nostrils were pointing
forward.

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Op dinsdag 28 juni 2022 om 01:34:22 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

Yes, very unlike the Hn nose.

[I Envy JTEM]

littor...@gmail.com wrote:

> Op maandag 27 juni 2022 om 19:55:56 UTC+2 schreef I Envy JTEM:
> > I can't find a copy, not even is Japanese or
> > Latin or whatever it is...
> > Is there an online citation? PDF?

> Don't you see it's Dutch??

Of course I do, in as far as I can discern Dutch from Deutsch, but I've
got to be me.

I've only ever been to Amsterdam once, and I was shocked -- blown
away -- by not only how many people spoke English but American
English... not that ridiculous British thing. One women, working in a
museum, sounded like she was from L.A. or someplace. I honestly
thought she was an American and asked her where she was from!

Anyway, long story short; I never needed to try to learn. I could order
beer & pommes no problem, using English as God intended English
to be used... American English!

> I have this book at home (>>100 books on primate/human evolution).
> p.80-81:
> "... Zelfs beweerde Hauser dat, hoewel de weke delen van de schedel natuurlijk allang vergaan waren, de uiterlijke vorm van de neus door dit kussen nog herkend kon worden!
> De neusgaten zouden bij de Neanderthaler niet naar beneden, doch veel meer naar voren gericht moeten zijn geweest!"
> Otto Hauser
> -1917 "Der Mensch vor 100.000 Jahren" Brockhaus Leipzig,
> -1922 "Ins Paradies des Urmenschen" Hoffmann & Campe Hamburg,
> -1927 "De Erde Eiszeit und Sindflut" Stilke Berlin.

Now you're just showing off.




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Op dinsdag 28 juni 2022 om 22:49:12 UTC+2 schreef I Envy JTEM:

P Moerman 1977 "Op het spoor van de Neanderthal-mens" Boekerij Baarn

No, no, I haven't read these, but Moerman has read them: it's from the "Geraadpleegde literatuur" in the book.

[Primum Sapienti]

[Primum Sapienti]

littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> Op maandag 27 juni 2022 om 19:55:56 UTC+2 schreef I Envy JTEM:
>
>> I can't find a copy, not even is Japanese or
>> Latin or whatever it is...
>> Is there an online citation? PDF?
>
> Don't you see it's Dutch??

No, he can't, he isn't that bright, doesn't even know
about google translate. Such is the kind of support aa
attracts...

[JTEM is so reasonable]

Primum Sapienti wrote:

[...]

You are profoundly stupid. You have reading comprehension,
can't follow a thread -- as you demonstrate now -- and carry
on as if this is clever.



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Op dinsdag 5 september 2023 om 21:43:17 UTC+2 schreef JTEM is so reasonable:
> Primum Sapienti wrote:

his usual nonsense.

> You are profoundly stupid. You have reading comprehension,
> can't follow a thread -- as you demonstrate now -- and carry
> on as if this is clever.

Try to neglect the idiot, JTEM, let him run after his kudus with his flat feet. :-D

[Primum Sapienti]

Your buddy believes in space aliens and Nostradamus.

That's the kind of whacko aa attracts.

[Primum Sapienti]

JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
>
[OCPD]

Yeah, the FBI has been informed about you... can't take any risks.

So, anyway, you are a blithering idiot, quoting things you never read,
much less understood, and that's why you can't answer even basis
questions.

[JTEM is so reasonable]

Primum Sapienti wrote:

> Your buddy believes in space aliens and Nostradamus.

Lol! "Everyone knows Nostradamus never existed!"

You are such a fucking idiot!

"He thinks in this galaxy, with anywhere from 800 million
on up into BILLIONS of planets must have more than one
with life on them! How unscientific is THAT! Everyone
knows that God only created life on the earth..."

You're an emotionally disturbed troll acting out.




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