Meaning of spiral hand petroglyph
ffreire
Thanks in advance.
Fernando Freire
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First Jois
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A google search gives this and only this:
http://www.moab-canyonlands.com/wwwboard/messages/402.html
Bob4AB5
If you are referring to the Native American (Hopi) symbols that are comparable
to those of ancient Greek (coins of Crete), which reflect the hidden 52's in
center; my own interpretation would be "the path of wisdom", or "the path of
alpha as the feathered serpent". Both exist (and some soft sweet music) on this
page, at
e
One amazing meaning for spirals in the southwestern U.S.A. that
i know of, involves the all important harnessing of time.
There's a humble little scribbled spiral on the Fajada Butte
at Chaco canyon you can scramble up to see which, as i recall,
is as accurate as Stonehenge. I have a great book buried somewhere
comparing all the functions to Mayan and other astronomical
calculating devises around the world.
IOW, I would argue that the "spiral
hand" petroglyph's meaning needs to be narrowed as a question
as to time and place. Its a bit too universal and broad of a symbol.
Unless you wanta put your head in a big amethyst geode to tune into
some otherworldly meaning of course......
The Hopi actually have an amazing and unbelievably beautiful,
perfectly round, bubbling blue water, travertine rock formation
that they mythically emerged into this world through.....i have seen it!
But i wouldn't trust the Harmonic Convergence-type folks who
see "meanings" as $$$ signs. Rattlesnakes have a way of coiling
into neat spiral before inflicting pain......
etc...
ejudy
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Bob4AB5
While I have no doubt that you are a very astute person, perhaps you missed the
hidden connected 5 and 2 (opposites that stem from a viewpoint of the end of
the left hand) of the also square and round versions of the Greek coins (a
viewpoint seen if you quarter turn the page to the right). These symbols shared
by the Hopi as well as the Greeks, quite considerably narrow down what would
otherwise be, as you say, "too universal or broad of a symbol". Bob (who has
nothing to sell, only free observations from a long study of ancient Calif.
points)
e
Perhaps i am not astute enough to pick up the meaning of this.
Could you elaborate?
ejudy
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ejudy
Hello again,
I found the best place of information on _a_ meaning of petroglyphic
spirals in the southwestern U.S.A.
http://www.solsticeproject.org/astromark.htm
And here's a couple of myths of this form of rockart --not mentioning
the hand glyph surrounding the spiral.And from my experience the hand
can be found in many associations so i still say we have one big symbol
which is awfully broad to make conclusions over! Historically the
context seems to be lost to a large extent.
"In one pan-Puebloan tradition, the Sun impregnates a virgin and she gives
birth to the son(s) of the Sun (Parmentier 1979:609). The
impregnation and the birth often occur at noon and sometimes near summer
solstice (Benedict 1931:31, 1935:46; Cushing 1931:429,
431, 436; Dumarest 1919:217; Gunn 1917:129; Parsons 1932:393, 1940:55-56;
Stephen 1929:11-14). In several versions of this
tradition the sun's rays penetrate a window or hatchway of a dwelling and
fall
on the lap of the maiden. In one version the virgin (yellow
woman of the north) stops to rest on her journey to the center of the earth,
and the Sun when it is "over the middle of the world" at the
"middle of the day" embraces her and she becomes pregnant (Stevenson
1894:44-45). This theme of the impregnating power of the
sun's rays is also evident in the tale of the Sun's son who, as a baby,
identifies his father by crawling to the rays of the sun on the kiva
floor (Alfonso Ortiz, personal communication 1981; Parsons 1940:56-57).
The use of the rattlesnake as a marked glyph is consistent with the snake's
wide ceremonial use and symbolic meaning in historical
Pueblo culture, including a close association with the sun. A rattlesnake
effigy and a ceremonial staff with the rattles of a rattlesnake
indicated on it were found at Pueblo Bonito, which suggest a possible ritual
involvement with the rattlesnake as part of the Chaco culture
(Pepper 1920:147). Among its many roles, the snake connects the below and
above worlds (Tyler 1964:222, 234). At one pueblo it is
connected with the zenith and the sun: "Huwaka (Serpent of the Heavens) has
a
body like a crystal, and it is so brilliant that one's eyes
cannot rest upon him; he is very closely allied to the sun" (Stevenson
1894:69). Similarly, at another pueblo a snake with glistening
scales is said to fly up to the sun each day and brilliantly reflect the
sun's
rays (Charles Loloma, a Hopi religious leader, personal
communication 1983). Some reports on Pueblo cultures also connect the snake
with fertility and equinox (Tyler 1964:228-229,
245-247).
While there is no conclusive information concerning interpretations of the
spiral among the historical Pueblos, some Pueblo people have
indicated that it conveys the movement of people and clans. In one report,
the
spiral was described as the movement of people in their
search for the center of the earth in the origin story (Roberts 1932:151).
The
spiral has also been reported to represent the annual
movement of the sun (Charles Loloma, personal communication 1983). "
(from above url)
Sol per te le mie ore son generate.
ejudy
>Hello ejudy,
>While I have no doubt that you are a very astute person, perhaps you missed
the
>hidden connected 5 and 2 (opposites that stem from a viewpoint of the end of
>the left hand) of the also square and round versions of the Greek coins (a
>viewpoint seen if you quarter turn the page to the right). These symbols
shared
>by the Hopi as well as the Greeks, quite considerably narrow down what would
>otherwise be, as you say, "too universal or broad of a symbol". Bob (who has
>nothing to sell, only free observations from a long study of ancient Calif.
>points)
"Those enamored of practice without science are like a pilot
who goes into a ship without rudder or compass and never has any certainty
where he is going." (Leonardo da Vinci)
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Bob4AB5
Hi ejudy,
Very nice website. Here's the Greek version (as a calendar), where each symbol
represents a day sign. Each side was used to track one third of the year (the
blossom center side being used twice, at
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/phaistos/Disk.htm
Bob4AB5
The meaning of the paired numerical 25 or 52 symbols, that often appear on
ancient points; reflect the relationship of religion and writing (branches of
the same tree) to its beginning as the left hand. While it's easy to imagine
your hand as a serpent (from all those sock puppets), the eagle (or hawk) that
was the prototype for Horus, can be understood if you touch the thumb of your
left hand to your chest (the wrinkles of the wrist representing the beak, and
the thumbnail representing the talon. This portrayal was represented as the
shape of ancient points (as the long or open hand alpha), which were replaced
by the short alpha (closed hand) point, that was the model for our alpha
cursive letter. Bob
Robert Flory
position. But I get what you mean.
R. Flory
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ejudy
;^)
ejudy
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Bob4AB5
gift for a new archaeologist)
May the truth of the golden trowel young friend,
that kissed the spinning ax,
howl the truth of alpha ships,
that echo from the past,
and sing the songs of five and two,
where the ears of eagles listen,
to the rise of winning numbers,
from the ground that always glistens....
Bobbie Ray Arter
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writes:
...This 3 rivers version of an alpha ship (the ship being at the root of our
word "worship", as "worth a ship") is expressed on the left
side as the
(ancient American originated) Arabic/Hindu versions of three (although these
and/or just our contemporary 3 often appear on alpha cursive shaped points,
on the face of eagle (or hawk) man). The Hindu three was a 3 with the lower
half as a 2, while the Arabic form is the same, but quarter turned to the
right. On the right side of this alpha ship are 4 triangular (2 pointing up,
and 2 down) versions of the alpha cursive (though reversed) point, combined
with many 25/52 patterns, at ....
http://www.niler.com/3rmisc2.html
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versions of five (as the opposite of 2). Our true 5 was discovered later
(within the web of the left hand of an ancient American elder). Though slightly
different symbols, the ideas are the same, and both the 3 rivers version, and
the great pyramid version (first symbol at website) of these connected fives
and twos can be read vertically as 52 at left, 25 at right; and horizontally,
as 52 at top, and 25 below, at -
http://www.niler.com/3r4b.html
and
http://martins.castlelink.co.uk/pyramid/forging/backingmarks.html
Bob4AB5
connected 52/25 portrayals. An interesting example exists here, where at the
base of 3 seated main figures, horizontal 25's are represented, and under the
3rd base, a vertical 25 stems from a hand. Other like glyphs in the next and
following lines, reveal the two's of 25/52 portrayals as the alpha cursive
letter. .... at
http://members.nbci.com/mayaglyphs/paris/page-06.gif
Bob4AB5
http://www.ssc.uwo.ca/anthropology/cje/Thedford.htm
A slow to load link (under the photo) to the Parkhill site, leads to a much
better example of an eolithic (containing art veiled to bright light) type
alpha cursive shaped point, as number 4, top row, first photo of point
collection (after slow scrolling site map). Cheers, Bob (Trailmarker)
terrypr...@gmail.com
This is a fairly well known image, borrowed from Native American solar pictographs. It is used most often today to symbolize the energy-emitting hand of a Reiki or other spiritual healer. Reiki is a New Age healing practice that involves the manipulation of energy by initiates through symbols, which are created by moving the hands in specified patterns over the body. The meaning of the pictographic form, which is found in many places in the southwestern US, is unknown, but with its solar spiral likely represents a Shaman's powers. Related Symbols: