decrowing
john
on the rooster?
newby
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> Is decrowing hard to do?
It's not physically demanding and only takes a few minutes
to set up and then it's over in a second
> Does it have to be done by a vet
No need for a Vet unless your really squemish
> and how hard is it on the rooster?
Well it's permanent and I suppose they don't like it but they are not
in much of a position to argue after it's done.
1 prepare the area and lay roosters head comfortably on a suitable
wooden block. Cover the Rooster's eye - hey - It's the least you
can do for the little fella.
2 ensure a medium sharp axe is within reach.
3 Thaaaaaack
Rooster is now decrowed and your problem is solved.
> newby
Ket
Decrowing is illegal in the UK.
Some people in the USA send their cockerels to the VET for decrowing.
Ket
john <joh...@ameritech.com> wrote in message
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> Is decrowing hard to do? Does it have to be done by a vet and how hard is
it
> on the rooster?
> newby
>
>
RozRN2
in the morning past 4 a.m. That boy just wouldn't shut up, and I was getting
worried about the neighbors. It was especially fun when he would sneak up
behind you and rip one off. The vet said he crowed his beak off the whole time
waiting for surgery.
I guess I got lucky, found a good "chicken" vet. He told me the mortality rate
of the surgery is 1 in 10. But, he said he has better odds. Vicki, on this
group, knows this vet, too, and said he developed this method himself.
The cost was estimated to me by the girl on the phone to be over $300. They
ended up charging me $226. I think someone made a mistake.
He explained the anatomy and what they do, and called me as soon as it was
over.
The postop instructions said to keep him in a cool, quiet place for a MONTH.
OH, dear, a chicken in my kitchen for a month! WHen we went for suture removal
at 10 days, he said he could go outside if he was supervised and i should watch
for him getting distressed.
There was no distress, even when he had to get after the other rooster to
re-establish his dominance. I had never seen that before. Poor old Peckerwood
ended up in a corner with his head jammed behind a 5 gallon bucket, and
wouldn't move. I had to go get him out and tell him he was still a man, just
not the top man. These two were raised together and were best buddies, always
together. I guess the separation erased that from their memories. Now
Peckerwood keeps a healthy distance.
Today, I took down the big cage in the kitchen. Roosterboy seems fine out with
the others now. WHen he crows it sounds like a whisper. This made me sad at
first, as I felt I had taken part of his "self" from him. But he doesn't seem
to mind, is acting very normal, and still "crows". I found him sleeping side
by side with his little "wife" Coretta, atop the ladder in the pen last night.
Getting back to normal.
Oh, and the vet let me know that it could grow back, totally or partially. So
far so good.
People I know think I am crazy to spend the money on this. But I raised him
from a baby, he is goony looking Polish, and I am fond of him. WIth him and
Peckerwood around, I will have a source for babies and future hens (4 eggs
incubating on kitchen table as we type). I am not of the more farming type
person who could slaughter. I am a meat eater, but if i had to kill my own
meat, I would be a vegetarian.
Good luck with your decision, as it turns out, this was a good one for me.
Roz
C. Drues
I am a little late to this thread. I read mostly humourous messages
involving the more traditional hatchet style surgery followed by stewpot
therapy.
Now I am pretty interested in this decrowing thing. I have an uneasy
truce with the neighbors. I keep it down to one rooster and nobody
says very much to my face. I am not interested in dropping 200 or 300
bucks per bird though. But if caponizing is within the reach of the
hardy home surgeon how about this decrowing thing. I already have a
sharp pocket knive and a few young roosters who only face the hatchet if
I fail anyway. So how do you cut out the crowing valve in a chicken?
Charlie
Vicki
Ket wrote:
> AKAIK,
> Decrowing is illegal in the UK.
> Some people in the USA send their cockerels to the VET for decrowing.
> Ket
Why would it be illegal? It's required by law here for male fowl in the
city limits.
Vicki, whose Londoner bettah hawf says the UK is loud enough as it
is.
Vicki
RozRN2 wrote:
> I just had Roosterboy decrowed. It sure is quiet around here now. I can sleep
> in the morning past 4 a.m. That boy just wouldn't shut up, and I was getting
> worried about the neighbors. It was especially fun when he would sneak up
> behind you and rip one off. The vet said he crowed his beak off the whole time
> waiting for surgery.
>
> I guess I got lucky, found a good "chicken" vet. He told me the mortality rate
> of the surgery is 1 in 10. But, he said he has better odds. Vicki, on this
> group, knows this vet, too, and said he developed this method himself.
>
> The cost was estimated to me by the girl on the phone to be over $300. They
> ended up charging me $226. I think someone made a mistake.
>
> He explained the anatomy and what they do, and called me as soon as it was
> over.
> The postop instructions said to keep him in a cool, quiet place for a MONTH.
> OH, dear, a chicken in my kitchen for a month! WHen we went for suture removal
> at 10 days, he said he could go outside if he was supervised and i should watch
> for him getting distressed.
My Rhode Island Red rooster was so stressed out, being kept indoors after his
decrowing, that I let him out the second day, He seemed just fine and suffered no
ill effects from it either time. (The first decrowing failed, as will a certain
percentage of them, and he was decrowed twice.) He was a big tough guy, though...I
think if her were a Polish standard I would have kept him inside for at least a
week. But keeping him away from his girls was stressful to him.
(I enjoyed the post-op instructions from the vet that mentioned something about
keeping them quiet when you take them outside to go potty.)
> There was no distress, even when he had to get after the other rooster to
> re-establish his dominance. I had never seen that before. Poor old Peckerwood
> ended up in a corner with his head jammed behind a 5 gallon bucket, and
> wouldn't move. I had to go get him out and tell him he was still a man, just
> not the top man. These two were raised together and were best buddies, always
> together. I guess the separation erased that from their memories. Now
> Peckerwood keeps a healthy distance.
I've seen "pecking order" shift when cats were separated for a few days for one
to get spayed. The other acted as though he had never seen her before when she
came back!
>
> Today, I took down the big cage in the kitchen. Roosterboy seems fine out with
> the others now. WHen he crows it sounds like a whisper. This made me sad at
> first, as I felt I had taken part of his "self" from him. But he doesn't seem
> to mind, is acting very normal, and still "crows". I found him sleeping side
> by side with his little "wife" Coretta, atop the ladder in the pen last night.
> Getting back to normal.
When people tell me the decrowing was cruel, I try to remind them that the
alternative was death. You have to really love your rooster to pay that much to
keep him.
> Oh, and the vet let me know that it could grow back, totally or partially. So
> far so good.
If it grows back partially it won't be enough for your neighbors to complain
about, probably. Mine was quieter than my silkies are when they lay an egg.
>People I know think I am crazy to spend the money on this. But I raised him
> from a baby, he is goony looking Polish, and I am fond of him. WIth him and
> Peckerwood around, I will have a source for babies and future hens (4 eggs
> incubating on kitchen table as we type). I am not of the more farming type
> person who could slaughter. I am a meat eater, but if i had to kill my own
> meat, I would be a vegetarian.
Animal lovers understand. When my duck got run over by one of the horses, none
of my real friends gave me a hard time about spending $300 to save her life. (Talk
about an expensive duck a la orange!)
> Good luck with your decision, as it turns out, this was a good one for me.
>
> Roz
Remember, it beats changing his name to Stew. ;-D And there will always be
people who will criticize you for the decision -- they did me.
Vicki
RozRN2
the area where the windpipe gets ready to bifurcate into the two main bronchi,
it thins and widens out. The rooster makes his crow with this area (has no
larynx) much in the way we would blow up a balloon and stretch the neck of the
balloon to make a screeching sound.
This is not a do it yourself surgery, The vet said you can watch the heart
beating as you do the surgery.
Take your birdie to the vet.
Roz
Ket
Vicki <vic...@usa.net> wrote in message news:39D6359D...@usa.net...
HiVicki,
Just been checking my facts.....
De-crowing of male chickens is most definitely illegal in the UK.
It is only allowed in exceptional circumstances relating to the health of
the bird (NOT simply because the bird is noisy), and can then only be
authorised and carried out by a qualified Vet.
It's illegal because it is stopping the cockerel from performing his natural
behaviour. Any procedure which prevents natural behaviour in an animal is
deemed as cruel, as prevention of these behaviours results in psychological
stress to the animal.
It is also illegal to de-bark dogs and de-claw cats in the UK.
If you'd like to know more, don't hesitate to ask!
Best wishes,
Ket
Leo Sadler
I reckon there is money to be made by the person who can cross a RIR with a
Basenji, though! :-)
regards
fatIan
Ket wrote in message ...
Gary Wigle
<snip>
>
>HiVicki,
>Just been checking my facts.....
<snip some more>
>It is also illegal to de-bark dogs and de-claw cats in the UK.
>If you'd like to know more, don't hesitate to ask!
>Best wishes,
>Ket
>
I had my cat declawed a couple of years ago. Never will I have that
done again! I thought they just took the nail off like they do for
people. NOOOOO! They cut clear back to the first joint! Took months
for my cat to get over that. The rest of our cats have their claws and
will stay that way.
Gary
Photons have mass!? I didn't even know they were Catholic...
Salli
debarked .. have you ever heard a debarked woofer? it is excrutiating ... you
keep wanting to bark for them ... oh oh oh .....
Salli
PS: Loosey is doing great ... thinks he wants to be a daddy .. but no girls care
enough .. might be someone on the horizon in the next week though .. will keep
you posted!!!
*luv & fluff*
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Vicki
> HiVicki,
> Just been checking my facts.....
> De-crowing of male chickens is most definitely illegal in the UK.
> It is only allowed in exceptional circumstances relating to the health of
> the bird (NOT simply because the bird is noisy), and can then only be
> authorised and carried out by a qualified Vet.
> It's illegal because it is stopping the cockerel from performing his natural
> behaviour. Any procedure which prevents natural behaviour in an animal is
> deemed as cruel, as prevention of these behaviours results in psychological
> stress to the animal.
Just a silly question, does neutering apply here as well?
>
> It is also illegal to de-bark dogs and de-claw cats in the UK.
> If you'd like to know more, don't hesitate to ask!
> Best wishes,
> Ket
I was truly appreciative when I learned that the UK prohibited cosmetic
surgery on dogs, e.g., ears and tails. Just wish the laws had been enacted
earlier, in time to save the cruel things done in years past to animals like
Hackney ponies.
Vicki
Cearc
Vicki <vic...@usa.net> wrote in message news:39DD28E7...@usa.net...
>
>
>
> > HiVicki,
> > Just been checking my facts.....
> > De-crowing of male chickens is most definitely illegal in the UK.
> > It is only allowed in exceptional circumstances relating to the health
of
> > the bird (NOT simply because the bird is noisy), and can then only be
> > authorised and carried out by a qualified Vet.
> > It's illegal because it is stopping the cockerel from performing his
natural
> > behaviour. Any procedure which prevents natural behaviour in an animal
is
> > deemed as cruel, as prevention of these behaviours results in
psychological
> > stress to the animal.
>
> Just a silly question, does neutering apply here as well?
No, of course not! I can see why you asked though - very interesting
question, which made me think. Some people I know have let their female dogs
and cats have one litter before being neutered, just so that they can
experience motherhood.
Neutering is a good thing for cats and dogs especially, as it keeps down the
number of unwanted litters, strays living on the streets and unwanted
animals ending up in shelters.
> >
> > It is also illegal to de-bark dogs and de-claw cats in the UK.
> > If you'd like to know more, don't hesitate to ask!
> > Best wishes,
> > Ket
>
> I was truly appreciative when I learned that the UK prohibited
cosmetic
> surgery on dogs, e.g., ears and tails. Just wish the laws had been
enacted
> earlier, in time to save the cruel things done in years past to animals
like
> Hackney ponies.
Yes, I too wish that some of the laws had been introduced earlier,
especially the ones governing live animal traps and snares..
I think that Anna Sewell's book Black Beauty (which was a book about the
life of a horse in Victorian times, written from the horse's point of view),
first published in 1877, did wonders for animal welfare - it woke a lot of
people up to what was really happening, and allowed them to see things from
a different perspective. I highly reccommend the book, if you haven't
already read it...
Best wishes,
Ket
>
>
> Vicki
>
>
>
RozRN2
do that.
(this from one who just had a rooster decrowed).
The hypocrite,
Roz
Vicki
Cearc wrote:
>
> >
> > I was truly appreciative when I learned that the UK prohibited
> cosmetic
> > surgery on dogs, e.g., ears and tails. Just wish the laws had been
> enacted
> > earlier, in time to save the cruel things done in years past to animals
> like
> > Hackney ponies.
>
> Yes, I too wish that some of the laws had been introduced earlier,
> especially the ones governing live animal traps and snares..
> I think that Anna Sewell's book Black Beauty (which was a book about the
> life of a horse in Victorian times, written from the horse's point of view),
> first published in 1877, did wonders for animal welfare - it woke a lot of
> people up to what was really happening, and allowed them to see things from
> a different perspective. I highly reccommend the book, if you haven't
> already read it...
>
> Best wishes,
> Ket
One of the first books I ever read. I was born horse-crazy, and have owned
them for nearly three decades now. Still makes me cry.
Vicki
Vicki
RozRN2 wrote:
Nope. You saved his life, most likely.
Vicki
Cearc
You loved the rooster enough to pay out a lot of money just so that you
could keep him and keep his status as dearly loved pet. Even if the
decrowing caused him some stress, I'm sure that this would be lessened by
the love that you show him.
The people who dock ears and tails have it done because of fashion, just to
satisfy their selfish egoes.
Ket
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