Can chickens get Pink Eye??? How do you get rid of it????
Petrina
like Pink eye.... Can they get this??? My other easter chicken was
suffering the same thing a few weeks ago, but it didn't end up looking
this bad.. The pearl's eye is sealed shut, with swelling. How do I
get rid of this and how did they get it????
pammyT
think anyone here is a veterinarian, and if they were it would be
illegal to do some kind of cyber diagnosis without seeing the animal,
and then prescribe treatment, I can only suggest you get it to a vet
without delay. Allowing an animal to suffer is not an option.
Ask yourself, if this was your child with eyes gummed closed, would
you go to a mother and baby newsgroup and as the same question?
Nicholas
I can't offer any real help other than to say that if it were my bird I
would probably hold a warm damp towel on the eyes to loosen the mucus
and then wipe it away the best I could. I would repeat this procedure
several times as needed throughout the day. I might even try some
antibacterial eye drops. Doing so might not help, but wouldn't be any
worse than offering the bird some chicken soup so to speak.
Of course this is not advice, it's simply what I might do in a similar
situation.
Nicholas
Nicholas
> could be some sort of eye infection. As to the rest, since I don't
> think anyone here is a veterinarian, and if they were it would be
> illegal to do some kind of cyber diagnosis without seeing the animal,
> and then prescribe treatment, I can only suggest you get it to a vet
> without delay. Allowing an animal to suffer is not an option.
Not an option? No one likes to see an animal suffer, or should I say
that of those of us who are still sane, no one likes to see animals suffer.
I only have a small hobby flock and I really like my birds, however I am
also realistic. A trip to our local Vet would cost me about $75. I
could replace my whole flock for less than half that money.
However if one of my cockatiels were to get an eye infection I would
probably take him to the Vet without delay. Does that make me a
hypocrite? I don't think so. It means that I am poor and sometimes I
have to make tough choices.
> Ask yourself, if this was your child with eyes gummed closed, would
> you go to a mother and baby newsgroup and as the same question?
No, I would wipe the crap out my child's eyes and take him/her to the
doctor, but were talking fowl not family.
Just my 2 cents,
Nicholas
unicorn
Even if you have not pammy I have had children with conjunctivitis.
unicorn
usually a lay term for conjunctivitis.
Some general information can be found here
http://www.flycontrol.novartis.com/impact/en/eyes.shtml
Pink eye is often associated with Avian Influenza you can look here
http://www.flycontrol.novartis.com/impact/en/eyes.shtml for information,
but I doubt it is the problem as you only have a single bird showing
symptoms.
Quite possibly it is a bacterial infection of some sort in which case it
will respond to antibiotics (I have used the powder supplied for
treatment of Pink Eye in cattle with good results in the past)
There are probably a half a dozen other possible causes. You could try
reading some of the disease information at ThePoultrySite Quick Disease
Guide http://www.thepoultrysite.com/DiseaseInfo/Default.asp ... as you
are dealing with the bird you might recognise some of the symptoms
described.
Matt
PammyT
"Nicholas" <njl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> pammyT wrote:
> > could be some sort of eye infection. As to the rest, since I don't
> > think anyone here is a veterinarian, and if they were it would be
> > illegal to do some kind of cyber diagnosis without seeing the animal,
> > and then prescribe treatment, I can only suggest you get it to a vet
> > without delay. Allowing an animal to suffer is not an option.
>
> Not an option? No one likes to see an animal suffer, or should I say
> that of those of us who are still sane, no one likes to see animals
suffer.
>
> I only have a small hobby flock and I really like my birds, however I am
> also realistic. A trip to our local Vet would cost me about $75.
I
> could replace my whole flock for less than half that money.
So if you had an animal like the OP you would kill it and replace it or take
it to the vet not simply do nothing.
It is a common misconception how much a vet visit would cost. I hear the
same thing over here. In reality all of my local vets charge only £5
consultation fee and whatever any medicine would cost.
Entirely affordable especially to those of us with birds which mean more
than simply an egg producing machine.With some of my birds bneing worth up
to £45 each, they are financially worth thecost of a vet visit, but wioth
them all being my pets, morally they are worth it too.
>
> However if one of my cockatiels were to get an eye infection I would
> probably take him to the Vet without delay. Does that make me a
> hypocrite? I don't think so. It means that I am poor and sometimes I
> have to make tough choices.
Poor here too but too poor to care for my animals properly, nope.Cat at the
vets as we speak. I'm doing a car boot sale on Sunday to raise the £130
cost.
*I* decided to get the animals. *I* have to shoulder the cost of keeping
them.
>
> > Ask yourself, if this was your child with eyes gummed closed, would
> > you go to a mother and baby newsgroup and as the same question?
>
> No, I would wipe the crap out my child's eyes and take him/her to the
> doctor, but were talking fowl not family.
>
For some of us, our fowl are family. If I choose to keep an animal, I
consider I have an absolute moral obligation to care for them properly.
Not taking a sick animal to the vet because you are poor, is no more of an
excuse than it would be to starve them to death for the same reason.
> Just my 2 cents,
>
*my* 1p worth.
unicorn
> "Nicholas" <njl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>>pammyT wrote:
>>
>>>could be some sort of eye infection. As to the rest, since I don't
>>>think anyone here is a veterinarian, and if they were it would be
>>>illegal to do some kind of cyber diagnosis without seeing the animal,
>>>and then prescribe treatment, I can only suggest you get it to a vet
>>>without delay. Allowing an animal to suffer is not an option.
>>
>>Not an option? No one likes to see an animal suffer, or should I say
>>that of those of us who are still sane, no one likes to see animals
>
> suffer.
>
>>I only have a small hobby flock and I really like my birds, however I am
>>also realistic. A trip to our local Vet would cost me about $75.
>
> Are you sure? Have you called them?
Sure did..... $45 for the consultation $55 for the antibiotics. That
was $100 spent on a bird I paid $5 for.
Result... Bird Died! as did probably a dozen others from the same
cause. The Vet had no idea what he was talking about. I did better at
the local poultry club. They didn't know what the disease was called,
but they were familiar enough with the symptoms to tell me to save my
time and money and lop off their heads. Cost $5 a year membership.
In short Pammy get down off you bloody high horse, wake up and smell the
coffee. You have been peddling this same bleeding heart go to the vet
crap here for years. The reality is that most people will not pay for a
vet unless there is some return on their investment.
>
> I
>
>>could replace my whole flock for less than half that money.
>
> So if you had an animal like the OP you would kill it and replace it or take
> it to the vet not simply do nothing.
I would do what I could for it. That light be simply lop off it's head
or it might be a cure.
> It is a common misconception how much a vet visit would cost. I hear the
> same thing over here. In reality all of my local vets charge only £5
> consultation fee and whatever any medicine would cost.
Well lucky you!@
> Entirely affordable especially to those of us with birds which mean more
> than simply an egg producing machine.With some of my birds bneing worth up
> to £45 each,
You may value them at that, some may even pay that for them. That does
not make them worth anything! A thing, be it bird or house, only has
any real fiscal value when it is sold.
they are financially worth thecost of a vet visit, but wioth
> them all being my pets, morally they are worth it too.
>
>
>>However if one of my cockatiels were to get an eye infection I would
>>probably take him to the Vet without delay. Does that make me a
>>hypocrite? I don't think so. It means that I am poor and sometimes I
>>have to make tough choices.
>
> Poor here too but too poor to care for my animals properly, nope.Cat at the
> vets as we speak. I'm doing a car boot sale on Sunday to raise the £130
> cost.
> *I* decided to get the animals. *I* have to shoulder the cost of keeping
> them.
You chose to keep animals. You chose the expensive option in treating
the animal. That is your right and whilst you don't expect anyone else
to subsidise your right that I simply am not interested. If others
choose the cheaper treatment (a home where they will never want for
anything) then that is also their right.
>
>>> Ask yourself, if this was your child with eyes gummed closed, would
>>>you go to a mother and baby newsgroup and as the same question?
>>
>>No, I would wipe the crap out my child's eyes and take him/her to the
>>doctor, but were talking fowl not family.
>>
>
> For some of us, our fowl are family.
That is a VERY sad comment
If I choose to keep an animal, I
> consider I have an absolute moral obligation to care for them properly.
Good for you. Others think differently are they wrong for doing so?
(Just be careful here. Right and wrong are not as simple as your or my
opinion. And in no way do the opinions of PETA or the RSPCA come into
it either.)
> Not taking a sick animal to the vet because you are poor, is no more of an
> excuse than it would be to starve them to death for the same reason.
Your complete intolerance of anything not resembling your yard, where
animal have right over people, is showing
Jill.
> You may value them at that, some may even pay that for them. That
> does not make them worth anything! A thing, be it bird or house,
> only has any real fiscal value when it is sold.
I understand the problems you have with vets - you are not alone - we have
learnt on this group that many places do not have access to basic veterinary
care sometimes at any price and sometimes at a price that is feasible.
However its interesting to explore the fiscal value of poultry which can be
assessed in a number of ways depending on their breeding and use.
If they are hybrids with a replacement value of only a few dollars and it is
easy to get replacements of the same age then their value is the cost of the
replacements
If you cannot get replacements of the same age then the cost is the purchase
price plus the cost of feeding to the same age and the loss of
income/product.
For breeding birds then their value is in their potential output - that is
measured in hatching eggs/chicks/growers/ young adults depending on the
operation [of whatever size]
So if someone has put in years of work breeding a certian strain and
developing a market for the offspring the potential value is significantly
greater than in the former cases
Obviously if the breeder has simply bought in some eggs or bought all their
breeding stock from other breeders then the replacement value is not so
high - depending on what they would have to pay to replace.
--
regards Jill Bowis
Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
Working Holidays in Scotland
http://www.kintaline.co.uk
Ginny
may have to do it several times a day. If you have
some pink eye powder it will usually clear up most
eye infections. Here the chooks can get it from
dust, flies or injury. Salt water is always my
first line of defense as I don't have (avian) vet
access.
We use orbanin or opticlox for pink eye in cattle.
Keep us posted on how you go.
Ginny
Ginny
> My Pearl White Leg Horn rooster has both eyes sealed shut. It looks
>
Also grass seeds can cause eye inflammation -
probably not so common in fowls but very common in
sheep, less so in cattle. Still worth looking for
a foreign object or a large pus ball in the corner
of the eye or behind it. Usually only affects one
eye but the infection can affect both.
Ginny
Petrina
day after I wrote about it.... Strange thing, the other chicken that
seemed to have pink eye, got over it and is fine now... But the one
that passed had it MUCH worse, Both eyes swollen and sealed shut when I
noticed it. He may have been sick prior, I only say that because he
acted different than the other chickens. His neck was always crooked
back and he weirdly looked towards the sky...
I had written about the Duck Knocking on deaths door. My duckling was
really sick, and called the vet. They refused to see me because they
had NO KNOWLEDGE of fowl! My duckling is fine now, between the
determination and will of the little guy, and the love and
determination I had to make her well, somehow it turned out good!
I HOPE the other chickens DO NOT get what ever killed that pearl white
rooster.
I really LOVE my animals too! But in reality, the idea spending lots
of money on a vet visit is not practical! I currently have 27 birds
one of those is truely my favorite "Lucy" she is a chicken with
personality and loves to run up to the kids and I. MIne are just
chickens of all kinds, not show chickens, and they are my pets, not
food for us... But I cannot see spending 75.00 on a chicken! I am an
animal LOVER, My chickens have a great coop, good food, acres to wonder
auound and eat bugs, and everynight I do roll call to make sure they
are all in their beds tucked in tight!
Thank you for the web sites I will check them out!
AGain THANK YOU ALL for the information!
John D
place and working for me last year with a very old, feeble and frail golden
lab. He turned out to be a crack head and took some tools and stuff that
wasn't his, so I fired him and packed him and his stuff up but he didn't
take the dog. She was in pretty bad shape, so I took her to town to see
the vet, telling him that it wasn't my dog and I couldn't afford to spend
money on her, but if she could be kept comfortable and have a good quality
of life I'd like to help her. The vet gave me some antibiotics for an ear
infection, and a bag of special hypo allergenic dog food and I took her
home. A week later the bill came in the mail: $600!. The dog recovered
just in time for the crackhead to turn up, he took the dog but not the
bill, so that'll teach me.
I was griping about this to my neighbor who runs a hog/beef operation, and
he told me that the "town" vet was very expensive, and that the vet he uses
charges $35 to make a farm visit and you get the scrip filled at the farm
supply place for a fraction of the cost. Guess who I'll be using next time,
it pays to ask around first.
-JD
"diddy" <di...@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in message
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> in thread news:AM8kf.9652$ea6....@news-server.bigpond.net.au: unicorn
> <som...@somewhere.net> whittled the following words:
> heh, I went to the vet today with a dog for a wellness check.
> She's absolutely fine. But it cost me $360!!
> Oh, but we are having puppies!
>
> I just put the ultrasound pictures on a webpage.
> http://aad.lomag.net/diddy/torin/Torin's-Ultrasound.jpg
> The bottom ultrasound picture shows the length of the puppy, about 6
> CM at 35 days old.
>
> Parents are:
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> Registration: HM86149501 Sire: NKK2419993 Dam: NKK0040997
> Birthdate: May 26 1999
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> NE-TH12/62F-PI THYROID Aug 6 2004 62 NORMAL
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nuele mersch
> He may have been sick prior, I only say that because he
> acted different than the other chickens. His neck was always crooked
> back and he weirdly looked towards the sky...
Hi Petrina,
this is a symptom of encephalitis that occurs with some viral
infections. It is called "stargazer syndrome". E.g. mild versions of
Newcastle can cause it. For how long did your cockerel "gaze at the
stars"? How old was he? Did you buy him somewhere or did he hatch at
your home?
Nuele (D)
Petrina
stuck like that, he would crook his neck back and look up weirdly, and
then he would go about his business, and then crook his neck... so on
and so on.... I bought him from a local guy! I have had him close to
3 months... When I bought the batch of them one of the hens were 21
weeks because she had JUST started to lay, and the others may have been
4 weeks behind. SO I would say he was about 5-6 months old. DO I need
to watch the others??? Are they going to start dropping like flies??
My duckling had gotten sick too! I wrote in about "Sick duckling
knocking on deaths door" My duck quit walking, and would flip over in
the pond and would have drowned... I ended up giving her amoxicillin
by mouth, and she is GOOD now! Could it have been the same?
Thank you for your HELP!!!
unicorn
that matter, then you obviously value the birds highly. But I have
been around the fancy long enough to know that those that are in the
fancy with an idea of making money actually do the fancy a disservice in
most cases.
Certainly I have also encountered breeders that would rather wring a
birds neck than let the genetics out of their yard. They have spent
many years working to develop birds to the standard and basically refuse
to share their genetics with anyone else who might compete on the show
circuit with them. What value their birds? To that breeder, they are
obviously important, but have no monetary value whatsoever.
Then you come to those who enjoy the fancy, their birds, and are keen to
bring their joy to others. I sort of belong to the latter group. I
have breed as many as 400 birds in a season and shown them with varied
success. I have even paid reasonably large amounts for genetics that I
wanted to bring in. That does not make me value the birds any more or
less than the mongrel bantams that roost on the verandah.
This is because whilst I will spend money with those that demand it, I
am more than happy to pass on those genes to any that ask for a nominal
amount. (BTW the nominal amount depends on the person seeking the
birds.) Those that have made me pay large sums get charged large sums.
Many get the birds for free or a couple of dollars.
The fancy (at least in the country) is in crisis, with high feed costs
ever more regulation on what, where, and how many to the point that many
breeders are being 'forced' out of their hobby. I and many in the
poultry club I belong to give birds to people that show an interest.
Just to get then involved.
There is no point having the best, or for that matter the only say maran
line in the country. It is not good for the breed or the fancy.
unicorn
> unicorn wrote:
>
>
>>You may value them at that, some may even pay that for them. That
>>does not make them worth anything! A thing, be it bird or house,
>>only has any real fiscal value when it is sold.
>
>
> So if someone has put in years of work breeding a certian strain and
> developing a market for the offspring the potential value
My point exactly Jill. They have NO value until sold.
It is in your words potential value.
Now I was never an A grade english student, but potential means to me
something that does not exist yet.
nuele mersch
Hi Petrina,
I read about your duckling, and I was glad you were able to save her. I
don't think antibiotics would have helped your cockerel much if indeed
he had some viral infection. Antibiotics help to keep bacteria down, and
sometimes bacteria will thrive on tissue that has been weakened by viral
attacks, so they can be of use, but they do not work against the virus
itself. It is possible that the swollen eyes would have improved, but I
doubt that it would have saved him.
I have seen swollen eyes in birds suffering from ILT, as a complication.
Bacteria superinfected the mucous membranes of the respiratory tract
that were attacked by the virus, and there was a discharge of pus from
the nostrils and badly swollen eyes as a result. I gave them antibiotics
and it greatly helped them in recovering.
However, it is important to know which antibiotic will be effective. I
took one sick bird to the vet's and he took a swab and tested several
antibiotics. We started treatment that very day, but until the result of
the test was clear I had already lost two or three birds. Only when we
changed to the most effective one according to the resistency test did I
stop losing birds.
I'm very fortunate in having vets here who don't charge you a year's
wages just for one consultation. I forget how much it was then, but a
not long ago one resistency test and antibiotic treatment of my dog cost
me 80 Euros, all in all. That's about fifty-odd pounds, I think. I'm
often shocked to hear how much others have to pay elsewhere.
Nuele (D)