time to delete the science agriculture beekeeping news group

[Charles Kroeger]

greater minds will please give it a fare-thee-well instead of this

Ars longa, vita brevis
--
CK
beekeeper, one of the queen's helpers

[Julian Macassey]

On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 22:39:12 -0500, Charles Kroeger
<charles...@gmx.com> wrote:
> greater minds will please give it a fare-thee-well instead of this
>

Actually, we just need more activity on this group. As
honeybees and bumble bees decline, it is important that we
continue nin this group.



--
"That's what saddens me, not that Microsoft has won, but that
Microsoft's products don't display, er more insight and more
creativity." - Steve Jobs 1995 TV interview

[Charles Kroeger]

right...if you stay in the EU Julian I'll keep writing about bees in the
S.A.beekeepers newsgroup, deal?

--
CK

[Charles Kroeger]

> Actually, we just need more activity on this group. As
> honeybees and bumble bees decline,

yo Julian,

after careful analysis of your statement on 15th Dec, 2018, I would add my
questions to the above in a modest way, to test the suggestion to see for
myself.

a question: who or what do you think might be causing the bees to decline?
bees have been with us for a 100 million years?

my take on that is what's done is done and what's done cannot be
undone as Lady Macbeth would say, but why now in the midst of all this
knowledge and technology? wasn't this supposed to have ushered in a sublime new
future for humankind, a signal to our gruesome past that the age of justice had
arrived to the relief of what remained, of our long destructive legacy?

another question: do you see the bees decline analogous to the canary in the
coal mine for humans who have now evolved to self destruct with the believers
at least all going to a better place?

the last question: since science has pretty conclusively demonstrated that
we're on our own, shouldn't every effort be made to save what's left, including
of course, the bees, the subject of our newsgroup?

--
CK

[Julian Macassey]

On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 00:51:55 -0400,
Charles Kroeger <charles...@gmx.com> wrote:
>> Actually, we just need more activity on this group. As
>> honeybees and bumble bees decline,
>
> yo Julian,
>
> after careful analysis of your statement on 15th Dec, 2018, I would add my
> questions to the above in a modest way, to test the suggestion to see for
> myself.
>
> a question: who or what do you think might be causing the bees to decline?
> bees have been with us for a 100 million years?

There are several reasons. Formost is massive use of
insecticides which has predicatably affected all of the insect
world. France has noticed a precipitous decline of all insects.
Plus a change of our environment with massive use of weed killers
killing off flowering plants that provide nectar and of course
food for butterfly larvae. Then there is a disappearance of
hedgerows caused by a need for larger fields. Monocropping
removes the crop diversity needed by insects.

Consider the oft quoted almond fertilisation. After the
blossoms die, there is no forage for the bees so they are moved
elsewhere. I have heard that these hives are not strong.

>
> my take on that is what's done is done and what's done cannot
> be undone as Lady Macbeth would say, but why now in the midst
> of all this knowledge and technology? wasn't this supposed to
> have ushered in a sublime new future for humankind, a signal to
> our gruesome past that the age of justice had arrived to the
> relief of what remained, of our long destructive legacy?

Since the agricultural revolution, we have been told to
welcome every change. Some have been good, many have been
catostrophic, including contamination with heavt metals (lead
ingasoline), pesticides like DDT etc.

>
> another question: do you see the bees decline analogous to the
> canary in the coal mine for humans who have now evolved to self
> destruct with the believers at least all going to a better
> place?

Bees are one of many canaries, along with the decline of
fish stocks, an obesity epidemic etc.

>
> the last question: since science has pretty conclusively
> demonstrated that we're on our own, shouldn't every effort be
> made to save what's left, including of course, the bees, the
> subject of our newsgroup?
>

To quote something said by Tom McCall (Republican) on
Earth Day in 1970: "Man has soiled his nest. Man has treated his
environment with cavalier abandon as if it were his to have and
to hold--as if it were within his power to make better balances
than nature has already designed.

We must not let this vital issue of environmental rescue
become a cliche--talked to death before action could
coordinated."

Bear in mind that the above was said 49 years ago. We
should have acted then, we didn't.



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"He is divisive. He is manipulative. He is a user. He has taken
much from me and the industry." Gary Kildall speaking of Bill Gates

[Charles Kroeger]

>Foremost is massive use of
>insecticides

all these reasons you have listed I completely agree so there isn't much I
could add to your testament.

humans have always been rapacious killers. they always overlook this fact about
themselves especially if they're on top. you drink that cup. as Jesus says, this
wine is my blood. I do not think this blood and soil connection bodes well for
humans or any future they would like to imagine. who but a non believer would
have a counterpoint for that? I discount the believers and their faith in
something after you're dead being better than life could be in the here and
now. this cult of death the believers are so enamoured with is a big let down
because believe what we may, when we're dead we are quite gone and I have not
heard an argument against that fact.

therefore this thinking is so destructive in the sense it tells them the
condition of the here and now is of no consequence when you consider the
big payoff after you are 'gone' even if they have mindlessly carried out
their biological imperative the fix is already in, so praise be to God.

you probably have determined at this point, I do not 'believe' any of that,
since we are living in the age of reason and science that knows a lot more about
cause and effect than Jesus did when he was trying to set a good example. you
would logically assume we would have advanced to embrace his concepts for
his father's creations and all who live within, after 2000 odd years, but sin
apparently doesn't fork much lightening it being so quick to be forgiven, in
short Jesus (et al.) is not the answer.

> Consider the oft quoted almond fertilisation.

the bone of efficiency, a square mile of tightly planted trees that require
thousands of bees to pollinate millions of blossoms in about a week, even so
the cost of a pound of almonds has already become untenable to some. I'm
thinking of myself here. who was it that said we should only eat 7 almonds a
day. well I would agree

> Since the agricultural revolution

Yuval Noah Harari the Israeli historian and admired thinker (by me) seems to
find the agricultural revolution has been found wanting in the balance when
weighed against modern learning and scientific analysis of its effects on the
progress of humans. now with its most recent variations that include
agri-business production methods GMO crops (and heretofore mentioned
insecticidal chemicals) made Pius by the need to feed an over populated planet
(our one great collective success as a species) everything has to be sacrificed
to make way for this production and growth to prevent global famine. the joke
being (not a funny joke either) the environment to produce food collapses
because of rising temperatures from all that agri-business and et al. green
house creating businesses and solutions we have cleverly devised to make life
better.

> Bees are one of many canaries,

well..how true and getting a bit more mileage out of my biblical references
herein I would say, the writing is on the wall.

>To quote something said by Tom McCall (Republican) on
>Earth Day in 1970: "Man has soiled his nest.

you would play hell finding a republican these days that said something like
that, they really believe they have a soul and in that belief they have
exercised their free will to make money at all cost and so have not only
squandered their own birthright, but yours and mine too.

thus ends the lesson.

--
CK

[Charles Kroeger]

calling Julian M., come back Julian give us a report soldier. I am hunkered
down in the bunker, what's your status?