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shr...@cyberspace.org
May 20, 2013, 5:52:55 PM5/20/13
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Howdy,
I was chatting with a power company guy the other day about what defoliants they use in powerline easements. He told me it was mostly glyphosate, (round up) which inspired me to do a little reading.
I looked up stats on glyphosate tonnage, and honey bee mortality, and I'm probably preaching to the choir, but a relationship between the two seems likely.
While it has been broadly published that (GL) is non-toxic, it also has been shown to be an endocrine disrupter. From what I've read, it appears that tests on rats with high exposure resulted in shrunken genitals.
My interpretation of the available data, (which I humbly request professionals in the field verify for themselves.) leads me to believe that short term toxicity tests are/were unlikely to expose the relationship between CCD and GL.
A substance does not have to kill a single bee to destroy a hive. All it has to do is disrupt the ability of the queen to effectively procreate, which is something that an endocrine disrupter can certainly do. The relative exposure rate for bees by body-weight must be extremely high.
In a nutshell, the established testing data is B.S. because bee exposure, and hive exposure are two different problems. A sick queen can be worse for a hive than a dead one.
It then follows that long term controlled testing is prescribed. Given the econo-political factors involved, the likelyhood of clandestined test contamination by third parties would be extremely high.
In a nutshell, it might be an interesting project for some professionals, to (among themselves and in complete secrecy) find a few control bee yards that have no GL nearby, and start keeping comparison data in relation to other yards. Probably enlisting the help of a number of reputable third parties as observers to verify the data.
Or not. My guess is once the bees are all dead, Mongeneo will start selling bio-engineered sterile mosquitos. They'll polinate your crop, and give you Mongenolaria at the same time. (curable only by Mongeneo brand anti-biotics.)
Seriously, how did things ever get this fucked up?
Thanks!
I was chatting with a power company guy the other day about what defoliants they use in powerline easements. He told me it was mostly glyphosate, (round up) which inspired me to do a little reading.
I looked up stats on glyphosate tonnage, and honey bee mortality, and I'm probably preaching to the choir, but a relationship between the two seems likely.
While it has been broadly published that (GL) is non-toxic, it also has been shown to be an endocrine disrupter. From what I've read, it appears that tests on rats with high exposure resulted in shrunken genitals.
My interpretation of the available data, (which I humbly request professionals in the field verify for themselves.) leads me to believe that short term toxicity tests are/were unlikely to expose the relationship between CCD and GL.
A substance does not have to kill a single bee to destroy a hive. All it has to do is disrupt the ability of the queen to effectively procreate, which is something that an endocrine disrupter can certainly do. The relative exposure rate for bees by body-weight must be extremely high.
In a nutshell, the established testing data is B.S. because bee exposure, and hive exposure are two different problems. A sick queen can be worse for a hive than a dead one.
It then follows that long term controlled testing is prescribed. Given the econo-political factors involved, the likelyhood of clandestined test contamination by third parties would be extremely high.
In a nutshell, it might be an interesting project for some professionals, to (among themselves and in complete secrecy) find a few control bee yards that have no GL nearby, and start keeping comparison data in relation to other yards. Probably enlisting the help of a number of reputable third parties as observers to verify the data.
Or not. My guess is once the bees are all dead, Mongeneo will start selling bio-engineered sterile mosquitos. They'll polinate your crop, and give you Mongenolaria at the same time. (curable only by Mongeneo brand anti-biotics.)
Seriously, how did things ever get this fucked up?
Thanks!
Hans Klager
May 20, 2013, 9:11:53 PM5/20/13
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On Mon, 20 May 2013 14:52:55 -0700 (PDT), shr...@cyberspace.org
<shr...@cyberspace.org> wrote:
>
> I was chatting with a power company guy the other day about what
> defoliants they use in powerline easements. He told me it was
> mostly glyphosate, (round up) which inspired me to do a little
> reading.
>
Mr. Snippo was here.
<shr...@cyberspace.org> wrote:
>
> I was chatting with a power company guy the other day about what
> defoliants they use in powerline easements. He told me it was
> mostly glyphosate, (round up) which inspired me to do a little
> reading.
>
> My interpretation of the available data, (which I humbly request
> professionals in the field verify for themselves.) leads me to
> believe that short term toxicity tests are/were unlikely to
> expose the relationship between CCD and GL.
>
> A substance does not have to kill a single bee to destroy a
> hive. All it has to do is disrupt the ability of the queen to
> effectively procreate, which is something that an endocrine
> disrupter can certainly do. The relative exposure rate for bees
> by body-weight must be extremely high.
superceeded by the hive. But, then maybe, something else is
happening.
>
> In a nutshell, it might be an interesting project for some
> professionals, to (among themselves and in complete secrecy)
> find a few control bee yards that have no GL nearby, and start
> keeping comparison data in relation to other yards. Probably
> enlisting the help of a number of reputable third parties as
> observers to verify the data.
> Seriously, how did things ever get this fucked up?
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