District E-Mail addresses
EDTECH Editor-Beil
I have some questions and would like to get some opinions from this group
on the advantages/disadvantage of using the "standard" education
addressing for E-Mail of na...@building.district.k12.ny.us. We are
presently revamping the email addressing in my district and I only want
to do this once.
1. Whose "standard" is this? Do you think it's going to last?
2. Is it a problem that there is no .edu in it?
3. If you are a district that chose not to use this addressing, why not?
4. Do you have to use the building part or can you just use
na...@district.k12.ny.us?
Thanks in advance for your responses!
Don Beverly
Director of Information Technologies
Mahopac CSD
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Subject: Re: District E-Mail addresses
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> X-From: Don Beverly <donbe...@juno.com>
> I have some questions and would like to get some opinions from
this group
> on the advantages/disadvantage of using the "standard" education
> addressing for E-Mail of na...@building.district.k12.ny.us. We are
> presently revamping the email addressing in my district and I only
want
> to do this once.
>
> 1. Whose "standard" is this? Do you think it's going to last?
This was setup by the NIC when Al Gore stated that every school in
America was to be on the "Information Super Highway". Yes, it will
last. the .us is a top level domain that will not be eliminated.
This the standard to align the States with the rest of the world.
Each country uses the 2 letter domains now. The older domains from
when "internet" was made, such as .com, .edu. gov, etc., will still
be around as well.
> 2. Is it a problem that there is no .edu in it?
The .edu is reserved for Higher Education now (Colleges and
Universities). You might see some elelmentary schools on the .edu
top level domain. The reason: Some smaller school districts have
contracted with a university for internet services instead of going
through the local county or state departments of educations.
> 3. If you are a district that chose not to use this addressing,
why not?
We use school.district.k12.ca.us The standard in the states is
district.k12.state.us Most districts do not have individual servers
for internet in each school.
> 4. Do you have to use the building part or can you just use
> na...@district.k12.ny.us?
Since our district has some schools with internet servers, we have
gone with school.district.k12.ca.us
Individual buildings do not have internet servers, individual school
sites with servers do.
However, the format you have here is an email address, not a
building or server address. For email addresses we use the first
initial followed by the family name. For example,
jd...@school.district.k12.ca.us . For internal email, it is moving in
a different direection: John...@district.k12.ca.us
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IHTH,
Eduard L. Frerking
mailto:hu...@verio.com
Network/System Admin
Hillsdale Year Round School
San José, CA
EDTECH Editor-Beil
We have had the form na...@district.k12.ca.us from the beginning. Then,
those schools who got their own servers, set theirs up as
na...@school.district.k12.ca.us. Now our district has started using
na...@district.org for administration. So, I guess you could do as you
wish. Personally, I like the short version; however, since I'm a
teacher, I have to keep the long version.
Good luck,
Kaye
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San Jose, CA
mailto:km...@earthlink.net , mailto:km...@fmsd.k12.ca.us
EDTECH Editor-Beil
First, a trivial bit of correction. We're not talking about only e-mail
addresses here, we're talking about domain names. A domain name is far, far
more than an e-mail address (though the e-mail address and web site are
usually the most visible aspect of the domain name).
> 1. Whose "standard" is this? Do you think it's going to last?
Beats me whose standard it is. But state and local governments are
routinely given addresses as <local-government>.<state-abbrev.>.us (that is
by RFC, I believe). It's only logical that schools should be under such a
scheme. Thus the "pvt.<state>.us" for private schools and "k12.<state>.us"
for public schools. Yes, I believe it'll last (and who cares if it doesn't,
it's fairly trivial to change such a setup).
> 2. Is it a problem that there is no .edu in it?
EDU domains are typically for colleges and universities. Some
non-college schools still have domains in *.edu, but basically now you have
to know someone to get an edu domain; if you contact that edu domain
administrators directly as a public school system, you'll be told to create
a domain in k12.<state>.us.
> 3. If you are a district that chose not to use this addressing, why not?
I never considered not using it. First, it's free. Why spend the
taxpayer's money on something as foolish as a domain name when you don't
have to?
Secondly, it's getting so standardized that I wouldn't go against the
grain. I know I can insert <district-name>.k12.<state>.us and come pretty
close to hitting any school district's web site in the country. Standards
-- especially logical, open, public ones -- are good. :-)
> 4. Do you have to use the building part or can you just use
> na...@district.k12.ny.us?
The building part is thoroughly optional. Once you have the domain
assigned, e.g. district.k12.ny.us, you're free to split *your* domain any
way you want. Splitting things by school or building only makes sense, but
no, you don't have to.
When I administered a school domain outgoing mail was only visible as
"user...@district.k12.state.us" and that's all that users knew their e-mail
address to be. But the actual incoming mail was really from and routed
to/from "user...@school.district.k12.state.us". The behind the scenes
operation of the network was my concern and the
teachers/administration/students were clueless as to what was going on.
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EDTECH Editor-Beil
Don Beverly wrote:
>I have some questions and would like to get some opinions from this group
>on the advantages/disadvantage of using the "standard" education
>addressing for E-Mail of na...@building.district.k12.ny.us. We are
>presently revamping the email addressing in my district and I only want
>to do this once.
>
>1. Whose "standard" is this? Do you think it's going to last?
You can find more information on this naming standard at:
http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/usdnr/
>2. Is it a problem that there is no .edu in it?
The .edu domain, as I understood it, typically refers to colleges and
universities. The .k12.xx.us, as I understand it, refers to K-12 schools
in the United States. While the resulting address is typically pretty
long, it is pretty descriptive.
>3. If you are a district that chose not to use this addressing, why not?
Does not apply to my district. Some neighboring districts that have other
addresses did so because they chose not to participate in the Illinois
State Board of Education's infrastructure. If districts use the ISBE
network of connections to the Internet, then they get the k12.il.us
domain name. If not, deistricts are responsible for finding their own ISP
and accompanying domain name.
>4. Do you have to use the building part or can you just use
>na...@district.k12.ny.us?
In northern Illinois the standard is not building.district.K12.xx.us, it
is district.county.k12.il.us. For example, the Peotone school district
has a domain name of peotone.will.k12.il.us, because we are located in
Will county.
Fred
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EDTECH Editor-Beil
Don Beverly <donbe...@juno.com> wrote:
>I have some questions and would like to get some opinions from this group
>on the advantages/disadvantage of using the "standard" education
>addressing for E-Mail of na...@building.district.k12.ny.us. We are
>presently revamping the email addressing in my district and I only want
>to do this once.
>
>1. Whose "standard" is this? Do you think it's going to last?
It was/is the Internic standard. All K-12 schools were/are supposed to be
registered under this domain name scheme. At this point, I'm not aware of
any replacement scheme.
>2. Is it a problem that there is no .edu in it?
.edu is "reserved" for degree-granting colleges and universities, according
to Internic policy. So K-12 schools aren't supposed to be able to get an
.edu domain name.
>3. If you are a district that chose not to use this addressing, why not?
hawken.edu seemed a little easier to type than hawken.pvt.k12.oh.us - but
both are systematic enough...
>4. Do you have to use the building part or can you just use
>na...@district.k12.ny.us?
As far as I know, you do have to fill in both of those "fields" - an
example is our name, which is "building - Hawken" and "district - pvt"
(Private/Independent). I have seen other schools with an address that put
the founder's name or some other identifier as the first spot instead of
their "building".
Dave
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David A. Gillespie, Jr. '89 Director of Computing Services
dg...@hawken.edu Hawken School in Gates Mills, Ohio
http://users.hawken.edu/~dgill/ http://www.hawken.edu/
EDTECH Editor-Beil
Since West Virginia has a server system, we use: name (first
initial, last name up to 8 letters total)@server name.k12.wv.us.
Unless you are a very small district, I would advise against using
the school name. If a teacher changes schools, you'll have to
change the address to reflect it. Keep it as simple as possible -
it's hard enough to keep up with the constantly changing school
staffs, and it's easier for people to remember email addresses.
Hilary
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Hilary Cowan, Director of Technology
Kanawha County Schools
200 Elizabeth Street
Charleston, WV 25311
Ph: 304 348-6116
Fax: 304 348-7737
email: hco...@access.k12.wv.us
EDTECH Editor-Beil
Hi,
I'm a teacher for a large district in Washington State. We have recently
changed our email addressing to the following: na...@district.org. I know
our district has established itself on the internet as a nonprofit "org," so
apparently no one felt the "standard" addressing was all that important.
Prior to this change, we were part of the state edu network system, but even
then, our addressing was much abbreviated over the "standard":
na...@district.edu. I know other districts in our state have opted for the
much longer, yet more descriptive standard address, but we never have.
By the way, I do know that the "building part" is not a problem; we have
several pop servers and individual designations for each district employee,
so if there two people in different buildings with the first initial "M" and
the last name "Hill," one will be "mhill" and one, "mhill2."
Kathy Haugen
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EDTECH Editor-Beil
>1. Whose "standard" is this? Do you think it's going to last?
Internic, or whoever is ultimately responsible for domain name registrations.
It is a good plan, just as it is for state governments.
http://www.state.ny.us/ gets me to your state page, and
http://www.state.nd.us gets you to mine. I know all 50 state URLs if I know
just one.
If I wanted to check out to see if a school had a web page, and knew the
school and state, I would have a chance of finding it if they followed this
convention. If they didn't, then it would be much harder to locate their
web page.
>2. Is it a problem that there is no .edu in it?
.edu is now being reserved for higher ed, who originally had it to themselves.
>3. If you are a district that chose not to use this addressing, why not?
If you were using a ISP, you had to go with their domain name, at least in
the early days (about two years ago :-) )
We just switched over our last files from our local ISP who offered to host
our web site three years ago. We now have a fast enough server (Mac OS X
running Apache) to bring our major pages inhouse, so we made the move the
first part of June. We were at http://minot.com/~mps/ which was short, but
nobody would have a clue to be able to locate it without a search engine or
having been given it.
>4. Do you have to use the building part or can you just use
>na...@district.k12.ny.us?
The building part is up to you. Your domain is district.k12.ny.us - you
can't change that - but you can put anything you want in front of it,
building names, www, www2, www3, etc.
We are using na...@mail.minot.k12.nd.us - Why? because it is running on a
different server than www.minot.k12.nd.us, and all it does is handle e-mail
accounts for our staff.
We are also running www2.minot.k12.nd.us and www3.minot.k12.nd.us plus
fc.minot.k12.nd.us (FirstClass e-mail server). Actually it is pretty
straightforward when you implement it. If you had a weather station server
you could name it http://weather.district.k12.ny.us
Hope this helps.
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Technology Coordinator then technology equips the explorer
Minot Public Schools for the journey of a lifetime.....
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EDTECH Editor-Beil
To: 'EDTECH - Educational Technology' <EDT...@H-NET.MSU.EDU>
Subject: RE: District E-Mail addresses
> 3. If you are a district that chose not to use this addressing, why
> not?
We are not using the standard at the present time - we are
valverde.edu. When we applied for our domain name most K-12 educators
didn't know what the Internet was. (We have had our name for 10 years
now)
> 4. Do you have to use the building part or can you just use
> na...@district.k12.ny.us?
We do not use the building part because our teachers and
students move from school to school too much and it would be an admin
nightmare to keep that up. Also - remember the KIS principle - Keep It
Simple
Jake Miller
Information Technology Manager
Val Verde Unified School District
jmi...@valverde.edu
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