Gin pole setup
Nathan de Vries
I need to drop our rig with the boat on the water to replace the standing rigging. I don’t have access to a hoist, so I’d like to build a gin pole setup that two people can comfortably and safely manage without drama.
Our mast is currently stepped on what I’m guessing is the stock base, so the mast needs to be lifted up and off the base before lowering it. It seems like I’d need to either:
1. Find/fabricate a pole long enough to go from the foredeck (or cabin top?) to above the spreaders (~16ft) and lift the mast by the spreaders
2. Use my spinnaker pole (~11ft) and a sling hitched lower on the mast as the lifting point
The upside of #2 is that I don’t need a dedicated pole, but the downside is that the mast might be too top heavy / unbalanced because the lifting point is below the center point of the mast.
Does anyone have advice on what approach is best? If you use a gin pole, how long is it? Do you position it on the cabin top or on the foredeck? What’s it made of? Can it be broken down into segments for storage?
I plan to install a mast base deck organizer when I put the rig back up and have been considering a hinged mast base from Ballenger, which would remove the need to lift the mast up before lowering it. However our mast has a welded vang attachment point which would damage the cabin top when the mast is hinged down all the way. We could remove it and use the E27 hinged plate which has a vang bail, but I’d prefer to leave the mast in tact if possible.
I appreciate any advice or warnings!
Cheers,
Nathan
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David Garman
On Aug 29, 2021, at 5:43 PM, Nathan de Vries <nat...@atnan.com> wrote:
Good suggestion Paul, but long term I’d like to get comfortable dropping the rig so we can trailer the boat and I’d like to remove some deck hardware in favor of hardware mounted on a mast base with punched flanges.
Thanks for all the suggestions and photos, everyone! Sounds like I need to find an old mast or aluminum tubing.
@Ian Any recommendations for sources of 2.5”/0.125” aluminum tubing? It would be great if I could find tubing that fits the ID, then I could make sleeves allowing the pole to be broken into three 6’ sections. I like your soft covering too to prevent scratching the mast.
Cheers,
Nathan
On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 5:16 PM Paul Archibald <pauls...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thinking outside the box: can you replace the rigging with the mast standing? Use halyards to keep it upright?
It would be nicer to have the mast on the ground, for sure. But just checking all the boxes.
Paulpast owner of Pangaea
On Aug 29, 2021, at 4:59 PM, Ian Sprenger <ian.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
I’d go gin pole. The sparcraft section is heavy. Here’s my setup:
2.5” aluminum tube1/8 wall.18.5” long.Adjustable “forestay”Two aft runners go to primary winches via redirect from toe rail.4:1 Halyard runs thru turning block at mast step to cabin top winch.Padded base with line to secure step.
Zero. Drama. Did it solo once (technique only).
Garhauer makes a mast base organizer that works well with our section.
-Ian
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I too am lucky down south to have a hoist to put the boat in the water and then to set the mast, but the idea of the gin pole with what looks like 3 points to secure it (bow, port, and starboard, I might even make one for the stern or put it on the same line as the bowline) makes sense as long as the top of the gin pole with the pulleys is higher than the mast spreaders, and you use the wenches to hoist the line tied to the spreaders. My next guess is that you have to leave the loop under the spreaders loose enough so that once you’ve got the mast secured, you simply release the mast hoisting line and the loop drops so you can untie it. My other guess is that you keep the foot of the gin pole centered and down just in front of the mast base by tying it off just above the padded foot to the bow and the rails port and starboard.
Thinking more about it, I understand the reason for not having a stern support for the gin pole. The big V gap gives you enough room to get the mast in place and up from horizontal to vertical.
Never done it this way, but it makes sense. The guy that I got Gusto from made a crazy contraption of 2x4’s that he used. It came to me shrink wrapped and attached to the trailer, and he said he could do it solo. Looks like a pile of six 2x4’s with bolts on ends of most pieces. Unfortunately, he likely won't be able to show me how his system worked. I’m sure I could figure it out if I played with it, but for now, the hoist cable is a safe and easy option where I’m at, and now that I think about the whole gin pole idea, I’ve got it.
Honestly, the whole idea of having to raise and drop the mast every time we want to put Gusto in or out of the water has been our biggest fear.
Our next big fear is how tight to make the mast rigging. We don’t want to break anything the first time we go to weather, or worse, see the mast pull up and overboard, but I don’t have any data for Tension on a Loos Guage for an SC 27. If anyone has data that works with standard stock mast, it would be of great help.
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There are some really good conversations available if you Google search “SC 27 mast rig tension settings”,
But the vagueness of it all still has me a bit worried.
I guess I’m looking for loos guage set it and forget it settings, and it doesn’t look like there are any even starting points.
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I too am lucky down south to have a hoist to put the boat in the water and then to set the mast, but the idea of the gin pole with what looks like 3 points to secure it (bow, port, and starboard, I might even make one for the stern or put it on the same line as the bowline) makes sense as long as the top of the gin pole with the pulleys is higher than the mast spreaders, and you use the wenches to hoist the line tied to the spreaders. My next guess is that you have to leave the loop under the spreaders loose enough so that once you’ve got the mast secured, you simply release the mast hoisting line and the loop drops so you can untie it. My other guess is that you keep the foot of the gin pole centered and down just in front of the mast base by tying it off just above the padded foot to the bow and the rails port and starboard.
Thinking more about it, I understand the reason for not having a stern support for the gin pole. The big V gap gives you enough room to get the mast in place and up from horizontal to vertical.
Never done it this way, but it makes sense. The guy that I got Gusto from made a crazy contraption of 2x4’s that he used. It came to me shrink wrapped and attached to the trailer, and he said he could do it solo. Looks like a pile of six 2x4’s with bolts on ends of most pieces. Unfortunately, he likely won't be able to show me how his system worked. I’m sure I could figure it out if I played with it, but for now, the hoist cable is a safe and easy option where I’m at, and now that I think about the whole gin pole idea, I’ve got it.
Honestly, the whole idea of having to raise and drop the mast every time we want to put Gusto in or out of the water has been our biggest fear.
Our next big fear is how tight to make the mast rigging. We don’t want to break anything the first time we go to weather, or worse, see the mast pull up and overboard, but I don’t have any data for Tension on a Loos Guage for an SC 27. If anyone has data that works with standard stock mast, it would be of great help.
John Beebe
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