Re: [SBUPolityUSGAlumni] It's Alive Too...

[Barry Ritholtz]

Wait -- I am trying to grok this:

Are you telling me that Gerry Mangenelli influenced who became President
of the University?

(The error, I can see -- but the influence was before my time!)

-Barry

On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 10:09 PM, david wrote:

> Following up on this thread:
>
> I am alive and well and missed Oktoberwolf visiting my fianceé, a
> wonderful woman from just over the border from SUNY-Buff. Any legal
> types out there with permanent residency for Canadians experience,
> please contact me, if just to say hello - unless this election cycle,
> and the next, go really badly (VOTE - Your life depends on it), she's
> moving down here with me.
>
> The only deaths in the family I know of were the death this summer of
> Al Schubert following minor surgery - a true tragedy, apparently due
> to bad anesthesia leading to pneumonia, leading to heart damage and a
> heart attack.
>
> Carol, his wife, suffered a very minor heart attack herself due to
> the stress.
>
> The only other death was that of a man who probably taught me more
> about combat business strategy than anyone else - who I grew to
> respect more and more, and still stand by my 3Village Herald editorial
> that he should have been SUNY@SB's second(*) president, Alec Pond, who
> lived past his three score and 10, passing two years after his wife
> died.
>
> Yep, he left several knife scars on my chest, but NEVER stabbed me in
> the back. But Gerry's move that sealed the blockade against Alec was a
> major Bad Move, considering what replaced him, a man who turned Stony
> Brook from the "Berkeley of the East" to "The University of some state
> beginning with I of the East."
>
> I am desperately looking for someone who can confirm for me a
> conversation Alec and I had the week both of us were fired from our
> respective jobs concerning the truth behind the Melville donation of
> land to Rockefeller. Anyone with real knowledge, please contact me
> ASAP.
>
> I'll be on campus soon, tracking down some old books as an
> investigative historian, still live in Lindenhurst, and await a trial
> on my Workers' Comp claim against the paper over an incident that cost
> me my career in '99.
>
> Still fighting....
>
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[Mace H. Greenfield]

I remember the dump Pond rally.

Mace H. Greenfield
www.MaceNYLaw.com

[keto...@yahoo.com]

Correction: As Polity President, at the time, I, together with the Polity Council, orchestrated the "Dump Pond Rally" the day that the Trustees were making their decision whether, or not to back Pond!  The attempt to railroad him into the presidency was plain wrong.  I'm still proud that we put a spotlight up to their secretive, 'closed door' proceedings.

Google it:

http://dspace.sunyconnect.suny.edu/bitstream/1951/28381/1/Statesman,%20V.22,%20n.%2069.pdf

Hey Mace, do you still have your button?

All my best to everyone,

Keith Scarmato 

 

"Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth." John F. Kennedy 

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From: Mace H. Greenfield <esq6...@aol.com>
To: sbupolity...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 3, 2010 3:27:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SBUPolityUSGAlumni] It's Alive Too...

I remember the dump Pond rally.

Mace H. Greenfield
www.MaceNYLaw.com




On Nov 3, 2010, at 2:02 PM, Barry Ritholtz wrote:

> Wait -- I am trying to grok this:
>
> Are you telling me that Gerry Mangenelli influenced who became President of the University?
>
> (The error, I can see -- but the influence was before my time!)
>
>
> -Barry
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 10:09 PM, david wrote:
>
>> Following up on this thread:
>>
>>  I am alive and well and missed Oktoberwolf visiting my fianceé, a wonderful woman from just over the border from SUNY-Buff. Any legal types out there with permanent residency for Canadians experience, please contact me, if just to say hello - unless this election cycle, and the next, go really badly (VOTE - Your life depends on it), she's moving down here with me.
>>
>>  The only deaths in the family I know of were the death this summer of Al Schubert following minor surgery - a true tragedy, apparently due to bad anesthesia leading to pneumonia, leading to heart damage and a heart attack.
>>
>>  Carol, his wife, suffered a very minor heart attack herself due to the stress.
>>
>>  The only other death was that of a man who probably taught me more about combat business strategy than anyone else - who I grew to respect more and more, and still stand by my 3Village Herald editorial that he should have been SUNY@SB's second(*) president, Alec Pond, who lived past his three score and 10, passing two years after his wife died.
>>
>>  Yep, he left several knife scars on my chest, but NEVER stabbed me in the back. But Gerry's move that sealed the blockade against Alec was a major Bad Move, considering what replaced him, a man who turned Stony Brook from the "Berkeley of the East" to "The University of some state beginning with I of the East."
>>
>>  I am desperately looking for someone who can confirm for me a conversation Alec and I had the week both of us were fired from our respective jobs concerning the truth behind the Melville donation of land to Rockefeller. Anyone with real knowledge, please contact me ASAP.
>>
>>  I'll be on campus soon, tracking down some old books as an investigative historian, still live in Lindenhurst, and await a trial on my Workers' Comp claim against the paper over an incident that cost me my career in '99.
>>
>>  Still fighting....
>>
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[Mace H. Greenfield]

Oh my gosh, Keith, how the hell are you?  Remember playing battle star Galactica at the Mall?  SOmewhere I may still have the button.

Mace H. Greenfield

www.MaceNYLaw.com

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[keto...@yahoo.com]

All's well with me, Mace.  good to hear from ya-

I'm laying low these days out in Seattle, WA.  Been out here about 10 years now.

Hoping to make a trip back East, and, possibly campus, next Spring.

Ah, yes! Battlestar Galactica at the Mall...good memories--- we definitely felt like that on that day:

"Fleeing from the Cylon tyranny, the last Battlestar Galactica, leads a ragtag, fugitive fleet on a lonely quest..."

Peace,

keith

"Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth." John F. Kennedy 

[Mace H. Greenfield]

Keith,

Let me know when you're in town, would be nice to say hello.

Mace H. Greenfield

www.MaceNYLaw.com

[JOEL PESKOFF]

 

It's good to hear from, and keep in touch with, old friends.

David - it's wonderful to hear that you are engaged.  I'm truly happy for you.  More than that, considering everything, I admire that you get yourself out there and subsequently met someone to share happiness.

Wow, Keith Scarmato!  I haven’t heard your name in decades.  Hope all is well with you in Seattle. 

Barry – I enjoy reading your work and thanks for linking your website on Facebook.  I only wish that you would allow comments to be posted on the FB topic.

I’m not to optimistic on the Fed’s quantitative easing.  Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that just a fancy way to say what our economics professors used to call simply increasing the money supply? 

My take is that it’s not going to do much.  $600B spread out over months on an economy 25 times larger isn’t all that significant.  Besides, businesses aren’t borrowing because the interest rates are too high.  They’re not borrowing because they have idle capacity.

Monetary policy has done all it can.  Fiscal policy is what needs to be expanded but good luck getting that now.

Mace – it’s inexcusable that we live so close but speak (face to face) too infrequently.  We gotta change that before the only mode of transportation that we have is our walkers.

-Joel

___________________________________

[lordan...@comcast.net]

Are you kidding me? The two of you "ragtags" need to get back on the Battlestar, and into the Mall ASAP...the universe is slipping into tyranny today...

If not you, who? If not now...when?...and don't tell me ICON is covering it...

[Jbf...@aol.com]

I remember Roth Pond (wasn't he class of '79?)

 

In a message dated 11/3/2010 6:30:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, esq6...@aol.com writes:

I remember the dump Pond rally.

Mace H. Greenfield
www.MaceNYLaw.com




On Nov 3, 2010, at 2:02 PM, Barry Ritholtz wrote:

> Wait -- I am trying to grok this:
>
> Are you telling me that Gerry Mangenelli influenced who became President of the University?
>
> (The error, I can see -- but the influence was before my time!)
>
>
> -Barry
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 10:09 PM, david wrote:
>
>> Following up on this thread:
>>
>>  I am alive and well and missed Oktoberwolf visiting my fianceé, a wonderful woman from just over the border from SUNY-Buff. Any legal types out there with permanent residency for Canadians experience, please contact me, if just to say hello - unless this election cycle, and the next, go really badly (VOTE - Your life depends on it), she's moving down here with me.
>>
>>  The only deaths in the family I know of were the death this summer of Al Schubert following minor surgery - a true tragedy, apparently due to bad anesthesia leading to pneumonia, leading to heart damage and a heart attack.
>>
>>  Carol, his wife, suffered a very minor heart attack herself due to the stress.
>>
>>  The only other death was that of a man who probably taught me more about combat business strategy than anyone else - who I grew to respect more and more, and still stand by my 3Village Herald editorial that he should have been SUNY@SB's second(*) president, Alec Pond, who lived past his three score and 10, passing two years after his wife died.
>>
>>  Yep, he left several knife scars on my chest, but NEVER stabbed me in the back. But Gerry's move that sealed the blockade against Alec was a major Bad Move, considering what replaced him, a man who turned Stony Brook from the "Berkeley of the East" to "The University of some state beginning with I of the East."
>>
>>  I am desperately looking for someone who can confirm for me a conversation Alec and I had the week both of us were fired from our respective jobs concerning the truth behind the Melville donation of land to Rockefeller. Anyone with real knowledge, please contact me ASAP.
>>
>>  I'll be on campus soon, tracking down some old books as an investigative historian, still live in Lindenhurst, and await a trial on my Workers' Comp claim against the paper over an incident that cost me my career in '99.
>>
>>  Still fighting....
>>
>> --
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[Mace H. Greenfield, Esq.]

Joel, so very true, let's get together soon!

Mace H. Greenfield

www.MaceNYLaw.com

[lordan...@comcast.net]

Well said...QE 2 is like cotton candy for the economy.

 

----- Original Message -----
From: "JOEL PESKOFF" <jpes...@optonline.net>
To: sbupolity...@googlegroups.com

[Jbf...@aol.com]

the person with real influence was Mitch Cohen Street Poet and leader of  "Red Balloon" after all....  I saw him at all the University Parties  

 

[Mace H. Greenfield, Esq.]

lol

Mace H. Greenfield

www.MaceNYLaw.com

[keto...@yahoo.com]

will do, Mace! 

PS. to 'lordanddavid"

...still on the Battlestar!

To quote Jerry Brown(remember his old nickname?, Governor "Moonbeam),

  “It's a crazy society now. It's the richest society ever and yet people are overworked. There's more unemployment, more crime, more confusion, more broken marriages. This is a breakdown. Every culture breaks down. Every society breaks down, whether it's Rome, Spain, the British Empire. The people in charge probably didn't get it until they had their heads chopped off!”

and

"Sometimes we have to go through a 'Breakdown' before we can 'Breakthrough'!"

Strange days, indeed!

 

"Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth." John F. Kennedy 

[keto...@yahoo.com]

back atcha, Joel-

all the best!!
 

"Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth." John F. Kennedy 

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From: "lordan...@comcast.net" <lordan...@comcast.net>
To: sbupolity...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, November 4, 2010 9:56:47 AM

[ina...@earthlink.net]

Dear Guys (and gals),
I'm glad for all the cyber-reuniting and reminiscing, but can we please agree to keep the e-mails to general Polity or university history/current events and people do the reconnecting off-line?  Alot of these mails are not of general interest and clogging my email so I just need to do a mass delete and might actually miss an interesting one. 
Also, whoever manages the address list and anyone who cares to contact me individually, rather than through the googlegroup, please change from my personal address, ina...@earthlink.net, to 101chos...@gmail.com.  Thanks and sorry I missed the last reunion, Belina

-----Original Message-----
From: "Mace H. Greenfield, Esq."

Sent: Nov 4, 2010 3:01 PM
To: sbupolity...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [SBUPolityUSGAlumni] It's Alive Too...

lol

Mace H. Greenfield

www.MaceNYLaw.com

On Nov 4, 2010, at 10:15 AM, lordan...@comcast.net wrote:

Are you kidding me? The two of you "ragtags" need to get back on the Battlestar, and into the Mall ASAP...the universe is slipping into tyranny today...

If not you, who? If not now...when?...and don't tell me ICON is covering it...

 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mace H. Greenfield" <esq6...@aol.com>
To: sbupolity...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2010 6:17:44 AM
Subject: Re: [SBUPolityUSGAlumni] It's Alive Too...

Keith,

[Babak Movahedi]

I second that motion :)

Sent from my iPhone

[Ralph Sevush]

Third it.

 

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[david]

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JOEL PESKOFF" <jpes...@optonline.net>
> To: sbupolity...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2010 8:49:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [SBUPolityUSGAlumni] It's Alive Too...
>
>
> It's good to hear from, and keep in touch with, old friends.
>
> David - it's wonderful to hear that you are engaged. I'm truly happy for
> you. More than that, considering everything, I admire that you get
> yourself out there and subsequently met someone to share happiness.
>

Joel, You are most welcome, and most kind. But confusing - and, due to
tripping back and forth to Canada, I just got the message TODAY.<btw>
Considering everything means that I was disabled, losing career, persona
and a good deal of my reporter's personality May 15 1999 when I was hit
in the head by a flying TV Camera/Man.

A good reason that, aside from folks popping up to announce their
presence, let's keep the private remarks to the originating addressees.

-david (& Jen, who I hope most of you will meet soon)

NOTE: I'm still moving things and finding stuff that belongs in the
University Special Archives, including the Razler Collection or Robert
Cohen Collection, etc.

PLEASE send outgrown T-shirts, buttons now useless (NOW not 1980?) to
Special Collections. We're particularly searching for a Mud Day '75
button and Graduation Certificate from the only piece of Libertarian
guerrilla theatre I have ever seen.

[lordan...@comcast.net]

Party poopers.

[david]

On 11/5/2010 4:05 PM, lordan...@comcast.net wrote:

> [mailto:sbupolity...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Babak Movahedi
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 04, 2010 11:13 PM
> *To:* sbupolity...@googlegroups.com
> *Cc:* sbupolity...@googlegroups.com;
> sbupolity...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [SBUPolityUSGAlumni] It's Alive Too...

>
> I second that motion :)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>

> Keith,

>
> Let me know when you're in town, would be nice to say hello.
>
>

> Hey Mace, do you still have your button?

>
> All my best to everyone,
>
> Keith Scarmato
>

> */"Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of
> growth."/**//**/John F. Kennedy
> <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnfkenn124908.html>/**//*
>

Both the DUMP POND and We're Fond of Pond buttons are in the Razler
Collection, Special Collections, Frank Melville<who donated land in lieu
of tax prosecution> Memorial Library thanks to its namesake, me.

We're still looking for stuff - signs stolen during protests, buttons
(esp. Mud Day '75), and other SUNY@SB mementos - so take all those
T-shirts that are either irrelevant or you'll never fit into again, old
photos, rubber stamps, corporate seals, at least one Fasha from the FSA
office when we owned it, to the library, next time you're out there.
They'll join such wonders as the Last Known Intact Brick from the End of
the Bridge to Nowhere, Stony Brook Monopoly, and posters for JA Plays
Stony Brook (I recovered about 50 posters the old crafts shop that
screened them was trashing as 'garbage' in 77). We need this stuff!
-dmr
ps: I stand by my position that we would have a better alma mater if
Tommy A. Pond (died in August) had become the next President.

As 3VH Assistant Editor to Mike Hart, I attended the meeting when the
campus trustees tried to fight R.C. "Andy" Anderson and resubmit Pond's
name (held at SUCFarmingdale on one side of a folding partition. I was
on the other, unbeknownst to them - the reason that week's story appears
unsourced. ('cuz I heard 'em say it myself)

If Pond hadn't tried to jail Gerry
If we didn't have a major SASU figure as a high Gubenatorial aide
If the gov hadn't called the Chief Judge of the Court of Appeals, who
called the Judge who sent Gerry to jail the night before Gerry got his
3-hr lockup ...

And if Gerry hadn't been so mad ...

SUNY@SB would have a law school, several dozen additional programs and
buildings, and, I think, a faculty warmer to the students in general.

Instead, taxpayers built an NFL Farm Club after an NBA Farm Club got
its building, and no longer would the Football Club quarterback call
plays with lines from Shakespeare.

-dmr, who wuz there