Historic maps 1

[Vic Jones]

 Hi,
I've just downloaded some historic maps from digi map (I can access it free through my university).
Carrie- they show the bridleway that you mentioned in your previous post.
Not sure how useful they are for our argument but they're quite interesting to look at!

The files are quite big so i'm having to send them in two emails.
Enjoy!
Vic

[Carrie Thomas]

Aren't these old maps wonderfully fascinating?

You've done better than I did Vic, the oldest map available I found was on www.old-maps.co.uk which is 1878/79....yours is 1870

 

The trackway (labelled as 1366 2-475) looks bigger than Gower Rd towards Killay did at that time, so it looks promising.

 

Interesting also that 140 years ago the fields were already there, with tree-lined tracks and trees in the inter-field boundaries as well....so seem well established.  Early map also shows the same 2 areas of woodland WITHIN the fields that are still there, whereas the small triangle (included on the candidate site but NOT part of any field) that is now wood, seems to be shown as scrub/wood at that time...this can be useful data re dating the trees and woodland.

 

I've contacted someone active with Gower Soc and Clyne Valley Community Project who knows a lot about local history, but not yet heard back from him.  Anyone else know of any local historians?

 

Best Wishes,
- Carrie Thomas -
Touchwood, 4 Clyne Valley Cottages, Killay, Swansea, SA2 7DU  South Wales, UK. Tel 01792 522443
From: Vic Jones

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Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 10:36 AM

Subject: Historic maps 1

[Barbara Parry]

I have some old maps donated to CVCP from John Hayman who was a local historian. You are welcome to come and have a look.

Bernard Morris is a local historian : I dont have an email address for him, but he is editor for the Gower Journal (Gower Society).

Dr Edith Evans of Glamorgan Gwent Archaeological Society has an interest in the valley and has access to earlier surveys in the valley - by GGAT & The Royal Commission. However I dont think that those field areas near you were in their survey(s) but may be worthwhile checking out.

Love   Barbara  

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From: Carrie...@ntlworld.com
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Subject: Re: Historic maps 1....re ancient trackway
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:31:32 +0100

[Carrie Thomas]

Went to civic hall and looked at map archives today...I don't know the definition of ancient re roads, but this is over 200 years

 

 

 

Here's the 1799 Yates map, with my finger at the start of the oak avenue between the fields (starts at the kink). Surprisingly the road then is shown smaller than Gower Rd, (looks the other way around on Ordnance survey map of 1878/9)

Shows the track with the same route as it now has through to Sketty Park (where the gates still are).

So 212 years ago it was showing on this map.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here is the 1729 map, with nary a sign of the track. Nor of Gower Road (in either direction). The only road is Three Crosses, through what's now Dunvant Rd and into town, as well as another route from Black Hills to Blackpill. Therefore, although the track/road that we are interested in isnt seen, NEITHER is the current main road system AT ALL. Is it an aberration of the scale or methods of 1729? Or did neither road exist at that time? Perhaps we can say that the track APPEARS to be about the same age as Gower Road, and should not be destryed nor changed as it's part of our cultural heritage. I'm not au fait with the most useful wording to use here (for LDP) purposes....can anyone with more historical knowledge help?

 

And does anyone know if there's someone in the civic centre responsible for caretaking of HISTORICAL paths? Do ancient tracks come under 'historical monuments' even? The bottom line is 'how do we get this recognised and protected' if that's possible.

 

CCS: I spoke to Caroline Marshall earlier today (before seeing the maps), but her remit is for current bridleways. As such, its fully protected, but that just means that if they build on/around it they just have to provide a bridleway suitable for horses to replace it.  I tried ringing her again at 4.20pm...but no reply, so that's it 'til after the bank holiday.

 

David......can we go to Evening Post yet with this? 

 

 

Best Wishes,
- Carrie Thomas -
Touchwood, 4 Clyne Valley Cottages, Killay, Swansea, SA2 7DU  South Wales, UK. Tel 01792 522443

 www.saveclynevalley.co.uk

 

From: Carrie Thomas

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Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 1:31 PM

Subject: Re: Historic maps 1....re ancient trackway

[ROBERT HESKETH]

--- On Fri, 26/8/11, Carrie Thomas <Carrie...@ntlworld.com> wrote: Carrie, dont know if David Morgan ex headmaster of Dunvant primary school can help. he is a local historian who as written books on the area.   kath           cC: Carrie Thomas <Carrie...@ntlworld.com>

Subject: Re: Historic maps 1....re ancient trackway

To: save-cly...@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, 26 August, 2011, 17:29

[Carrie Thomas]

thanks, any idea how to contact him? just re-reading his book...but only reference so far is that gower rd is an ancient way

Best Wishes,
- Carrie Thomas -
Touchwood, 4 Clyne Valley Cottages, Killay, Swansea, SA2 7DU  South Wales, UK. Tel 01792 522443

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