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Squirel

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Sep 25, 2011, 4:21:30 PM9/25/11
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Do they have to put the notices in Welsh as well as english ? If so
That could give the objectors more time .I only read notices in
English .
Can we make the Save clyne valley notices bigger and more of them ,
give out flyers and so on because the people I am telling ( 25:9:11)
still do not know anything about it ?

Carrie Thomas

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Sep 25, 2011, 4:44:02 PM9/25/11
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all useful comments.......not realised re the english only...very good
point! would you like to ask the Planning Dept?
we have fliers ....like the posters, 4 or 6 to a page....attached....i
cannot print at the mo, sorry

yes, so many people dont know about this...i only heard quickly as we had
the map up close to house....then community councillor called public meeting

re making notices bigger...A3? dont know if they can be blown up to that
size without looking faded....but also the COST aspects...esp if laminated.
I painted lots of banners....but couldnt find anyone to display on gower rd
killay to olchfa and goetre fawr towards dunvant....that would have helped
SOOOO much.....

2 months was just too short notice.
however as long as people have already put comments about the main things,
that should be ok....but if more people heard we could uncover MORE reasons
for objecting and that would be really useful

Best Wishes,
- Carrie Thomas -
Touchwood, 4 Clyne Valley Cottages, Killay, Swansea, SA2 7DU South Wales,
UK. Tel 01792 522443
www.saveclynevalley.co.uk

info x6.pdf
info x4.pdf

Liz Thomas

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Sep 26, 2011, 5:31:38 AM9/26/11
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Thanks Carrie,
 
Ref. Site Notices, good point about Welsh version.
 
Also please find below copy of my previous email ref very confusing distribution of Site Notices, (yes it was meant for whole group - sorry, should have ticked both address boxes).
 
Confusing Site Notice not only in Royal Oak Rd, also Ynys Newydd Country Park Main Entrance. Two Site Notices right by the barrier ref. protecting greenspace (MY008, SK0031). But Council submission (SK0026) ref. mixed use, residential etc. on lamp-post several yards away at Derwen Fawr/Ynys Newydd main road junction. The three Site Notices should be placed together. Otherwise people will think it's all about protecting greenspace and not object to SK0026.
 
Copy of email from NT yesterday.... 
 
Just dropped some Save Clyne Valley leaflets into strategic letterboxes, only about 20 was all I had. A resident I met in Derwen Fawr Rd. didn't know anything about the Candidate Sites exercise, so I gave him a leaflet 
 
I've got a query ref. SK0026 and the rules about those Candidate Site Notices that council staff attach to lamp-posts, if anyone can advise?
 
1. There isn't any SK0026 Site Notice in Royal Oaks Rd, which I think looks like the most vulnerable road in the Council's SK0026 site proposal.
2. The only SK0026 Site Notice is on a lamp-post in Gwerneinon Rd., plus the two Site Notices for the Bible College proposals.
3. The only Site Notice on Royal Oaks Rd. is the CVCP MY008 proposal, and that Notice is tucked away at the bottom of the road at the Footpath access into Clyne Valley
 
This could be confusing for residents, who might assume all four green Site Notices refer to the same Candidate Site, which for Royal Oaks Rd. would be the CVCP MY008 proposal to protect Clyne Valley. So no-one's going to object to that.
 
The query is - should the council have placed an SK0026 site notice in Royal Oaks Rd. as well as in Gwerneinon Rd? And as there isn't an SK0026 notice there, would this be grounds for asking the council for extra time for residents to comment on SK0026?
 
It might be worth getting extra time to comment - David(W) emailed that there were only 18 comments returned for SK0026 at present. But maybe the council hasn't loaded up all of them yet.
 
Hope this doesn't look too garbled !
Cheers from Nesta
 


From: Carrie Thomas <Carrie...@ntlworld.com>
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Liz Thomas

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Sep 26, 2011, 6:31:09 AM9/26/11
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Hi Carrie,
 
Update ref. missing Site Notice SK0026. Spoke to Rachel Davies, Planning Policy (very helpful person). She said that apparently some Site Notices have been taken down by people who want to copy them for info, and have not put them back on the lamp-post.
 
So I'm picking up 6 copies of SK0026 Site notice to stick on lamp-posts this afternoon. Just hope residents spot them and send in comments.
 
Cheers from Nesta


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Liz Thomas

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Sep 26, 2011, 4:44:55 PM9/26/11
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Hi Carrie,
 
Collected six copies of SK0026 Site Notice from Rachel Davies (Planning). Fair play, she'd even put string on them. So they were easy to attach to lamp-posts in Royal Oak Rd, Derwen Fawr Rd, Ynys Newydd C.Park entrance, and Saunders Way. A Saunders Way resident said he hadn't heard anything about the LDP Candidate Sites exercise, nor the Sketty Park meeting with councillors couple weeks ago. But he certainly took a lively interest in the SK0026 Site Notice, so I think he'll be making some comments !
 
Also, while doodling on the internet, I found that 'Save Clyne Valley' is on Wikipaedia.  Via a link to our "Green Team" webpage that we set up beginning of the year. 
 
1. Type "Clyne River" in Wikipaedia search box. A short page opens up. 
2. Click on the small blue 'page' icon on bottom of that Wikipaedia page.
3. "Green Team" webpage opens up, and www.saveclynevalley.co.uk is on the links page. 
 
So maybe this could be useful!
 
Cheers from Nesta and John
 

Carrie Thomas

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Sep 26, 2011, 5:42:36 PM9/26/11
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Glad that even now you're recruiting more people to comment online, Nesta!
 
The Wikipedia link is fun to know about!  Must admit, i didn't know about the: small blue 'page' icon on bottom of that Wikipaedia page. So that's a new skill you've taught me, thanks. Did someone from the Greenteam actually put it onto Wikipedia?  I've considered writing stuff for them (on Aquilegias) but so far it's only been a thought......
And I'd not heard of The Green Team', is it part of CVCP?
 
This might also be a good time for me to comment about this emailing group....what is its fate come 30th Sept when the candidate sites commenting procedure finishes? I see that it will then become a quiet time on this Group. However, it will still be there, in the background for whenever it may be needed in the future. Hopefully it will be to disseminate good news as the candidate sites are sifted out during the process and we can heatily congratulate ourselves.  If, meanwhile any of us hear's something potentially useful about the sites, it will still be a good way for us to let each other know. And relevant site-specific info can still be fed into the LDP process until January.......
 
Best Wishes,
- Carrie Thomas -
Touchwood, 4 Clyne Valley Cottages, Killay, Swansea, SA2 7DU  South Wales, UK. Tel 01792 522443
 www.touchwoodspirit.com : spiritual & self-development sessions or workshops;
Healing including Bowen Technique, Theta DNA, and Byron Katie's 'Loving What Is' ('The Work'):
And for gardening, seeds and plants: www.touchwoodplants.co.uk

duncan smith

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Sep 27, 2011, 5:38:02 AM9/27/11
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Dear Carrie 
I have sent the 6x posters to a friend to print for flyers .
Do you think the Question of weather they have to print the notice in Welsh as well as English is a legal technicality and some thing I don't know anything about .If they have not given proper notice to the welsh speakers as well ,then they could have to start the time period of notification all over again .Who is familiar with dealing with the big guys like the planing dept ?
If you have made banners ,I suggest putting them on the pedestrian bridge out side the university of Swansea on the mumbles road ,the students love a demonstration and the rush hour traffic is innumerous .I will sneak up there after dark with some cable ties .A banner that says 'Save Clyne valley " would be suffice . Contact the evening post and use face book to spread the word.
We need as many people as possible to know, not only for the partition but for protests and demonstrations if needed.
Many thanks 
Squirel 
My Tel 01792  554458 

On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Carrie Thomas <Carrie...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
all useful comments.......not realised re the english only...very good point! would you like to ask the Planning Dept?
we have fliers ....like the posters, 4 or 6 to a page....attached....i cannot print at the mo, sorry

yes, so many people dont know about this...i only heard quickly as we had the map up close to house....then community councillor called public meeting

re making notices bigger...A3? dont know if they can be blown up to that size without looking faded....but also the COST aspects...esp if laminated. I painted lots of banners....but couldnt find anyone to display on gower rd killay to olchfa and goetre fawr towards dunvant....that would have helped SOOOO much.....

2 months was just too short notice.
however as long as people have already put comments about the main things, that should be ok....but if more people heard we could uncover MORE reasons for objecting and that would be really useful

Best Wishes,
- Carrie Thomas -
Touchwood, 4 Clyne Valley Cottages, Killay, Swansea, SA2 7DU  South Wales, UK. Tel 01792 522443
 www.saveclynevalley.co.uk

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Liz Thomas

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Sep 27, 2011, 7:05:20 AM9/27/11
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We started up 'Greenteam'  webpage last year on the free BT Community Webpage Kit centre, as an experiment on how to set up a webpage, never done it before. It's not too difficult to use. Just takes a bit of wangling and testing. I flung in everything, pix, graphix, links etc. - so it's a bit over the top ! The 'Clyne Valley Wildlife Diary' was our next attempt, and looks a bit more organised.
 
The BT address is www.btck.co.uk and there's also a BT Community Directory there to view loads of other 'amateur' websites. It's quite basic, and doesn't seem to have extras like options for video links and email groups as on the 'Save Clyne Valley' website. But maybe someone more IT expert could discover how to add these to it.
 
Ref. future of the emailing group - yes, would be very useful to continue sharing info. I'm just wondering also what happens to the online Council Candidate Sites Register after 30th ? I hope it stays online and accessible to all as it is now.
 
Cheers from Nesta and John
 
 
Sent: Monday, 26 September, 2011 22:42:36
Subject: Re: LDPsiteNotice, Wikipedia and this emailing Group

Carrie Thomas

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Sep 27, 2011, 9:24:52 AM9/27/11
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The 'links' to videos and email group on the save clyne vally website is just via an ordinary hyperlink to a webpage addess, nothing fancy. unfortunately no option to 'open in a new window', but it suffices.
 
Richard....just a thought, you were the one starting up the website....was there/is there any costs involved that the Group should be addressing?
 
Emyr in Planning said that the comments on the candidate sites are to remain online 'for the forseeable future'. Isnt it an amazing system, so open, and chance for us public to have our say?
 
all last minute, but I BELIEVE I've uncovered protection for the trees along the KS0001 ancient road....and hence for that road itself.....soooo exciting, more later when i'm sure.

Liz Thomas

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Sep 27, 2011, 9:56:29 AM9/27/11
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Hello Carrie,
 
Ref. requirement for Welsh version of Site Notices (NB.I'M NOT EXPERT!!)
 
I phoned Welsh Government in Cardiff this morning to ask "Should Site Notices be in Welsh plus English?" I did not specify Site Notices for the Swansea Council Candidate Sites exercise. Member of staff from Planning Division, Welsh Government, Cardiff phoned back after checking rules, and made the following comments:
 
1. Welsh plus English Site notices are discretionary for each council.
2. Under the Planning General Development Procedure Order, Planning Application Process Requirements for Site Notices, Welsh Language Scheme - Section 7.8, the requirement is for Site Notices to be in Welsh as well as English.
3. Applies to Planning Application Site Notices, plus anything requiring a response.
4. Ref. Swansea Council, Welsh Government staff member thought yes, the requirement is for Welsh and English, but best to "check with Swansea Council Planning".
 
I didn't mention that the Site Notices are for the LDP Candidate Sites process, not for Planning Applications. But from 3. above, as a 'response' is asked for by the council, the bilingual rule might apply?
 
The Swansea planning staff I've spoken to this week say they're not obliged to put up Site Notices anyway for the LDP Candidate Sites exercise. They're not Planning Applications. But as they have put them up for residents to read, and they ask for a response, I would say the bilingual rule applies? 
 
But, it needs someone who knows about planning rules to check it all out for Swansea. On the other hand, there's no harm is just asking Swansea council about it. Whoever does this won't be their favourite person........
 
Cheers from Nesta
 


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Sent: Tuesday, 27 September, 2011 10:38:02
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Harding Richard

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Carrie,

When I set the site up it was done free for a year using www.yola.com , but we will have to pay to continue using the name www.saveclynevalley.com on their server.

Full details for terms of service, conditions of use and intellectual rights, including the domain name, can be seen at http://www.yola.com/terms

Whether you can use the same name after another year on a different site, I wouldn't think so, but it may be possible.

When I set it up I went for the "Free" basic option initially as it had limited storage size for pics, but I soon realised we would need more capacity so I upgraded to Silver, approx. £10 at the time ($17.95) I think which, I am presuming will not be the cost at the end of the contracted year, as initially I thought the campaign might be over by then.

I think it's apparent the campaign ( not just clyne valley but the the KS, KN and SK LDPsites) will probably run a lot longer than initiallly thought so it may be worth considering the more expensive option of extending the site,
Yola Silver is currently on offer at $99.95 per year to buy from scratch but I am not sure whether there will be a lesser price for renewals of cotract.

Yola.com are legally bound to contact us with a price to continue the site, which they are allowed to alter at any time, before the site name defaults back to them, presumably to be sold to other users if requested. See Domain Terms below.

"Domain registration is brought to you through a partnership with OpenSRS/Tucows and Network Solutions. You are the legal owner of the domain registration. All fees are exclusive of all taxes, levies, or duties imposed by taxing authorities, and you agree to pay all such taxes, levies, or duties, excluding only United States (federal or state) taxes.
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From: save-cly...@googlegroups.com on behalf of Carrie Thomas
Sent: Tue 27/09/2011 14:24
To: save-cly...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: LDPsiteNotice, Wikipedia and this emailing Group

The 'links' to videos and email group on the save clyne vally website is just via an ordinary hyperlink to a webpage addess, nothing fancy. unfortunately no option to 'open in a new window', but it suffices.

Richard....just a thought, you were the one starting up the website....was there/is there any costs involved that the Group should be addressing?

Emyr in Planning said that the comments on the candidate sites are to remain online 'for the forseeable future'. Isnt it an amazing system, so open, and chance for us public to have our say?

all last minute, but I BELIEVE I've uncovered protection for the trees along the KS0001 ancient road....and hence for that road itself.....soooo exciting, more later when i'm sure.

Best Wishes,
- Carrie Thomas -
Touchwood, 4 Clyne Valley Cottages, Killay, Swansea, SA2 7DU South Wales, UK. Tel 01792 522443

www.touchwoodspirit.com <http://www.touchwoodspirit.com/> : spiritual & self-development sessions or workshops;


Healing including Bowen Technique, Theta DNA, and Byron Katie's 'Loving What Is' ('The Work'):

And for gardening, seeds and plants: www.touchwoodplants.co.uk <http://www.touchwoodplants.co.uk/>

----- Original Message -----
From: Liz Thomas <mailto:lizmari...@btinternet.com>
To: save-cly...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: LDPsiteNotice, Wikipedia and this emailing Group



We started up 'Greenteam' webpage last year on the free BT Community Webpage Kit centre, as an experiment on how to set up a webpage, never done it before. It's not too difficult to use. Just takes a bit of wangling and testing. I flung in everything, pix, graphix, links etc. - so it's a bit over the top ! The 'Clyne Valley Wildlife Diary' was our next attempt, and looks a bit more organised.

The BT address is www.btck.co.uk <http://www.btck.co.uk/> and there's also a BT Community Directory there to view loads of other 'amateur' websites. It's quite basic, and doesn't seem to have extras like options for video links and email groups as on the 'Save Clyne Valley' website. But maybe someone more IT expert could discover how to add these to it.



Ref. future of the emailing group - yes, would be very useful to continue sharing info. I'm just wondering also what happens to the online Council Candidate Sites Register after 30th ? I hope it stays online and accessible to all as it is now.

Cheers from Nesta and John


________________________________

From: Carrie Thomas <Carrie...@ntlworld.com>
To: save-cly...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, 26 September, 2011 22:42:36
Subject: Re: LDPsiteNotice, Wikipedia and this emailing Group


Glad that even now you're recruiting more people to comment online, Nesta!

The Wikipedia link is fun to know about! Must admit, i didn't know about the: small blue 'page' icon on bottom of that Wikipaedia page. So that's a new skill you've taught me, thanks. Did someone from the Greenteam actually put it onto Wikipedia? I've considered writing stuff for them (on Aquilegias) but so far it's only been a thought......
And I'd not heard of The Green Team', is it part of CVCP?

This might also be a good time for me to comment about this emailing group....what is its fate come 30th Sept when the candidate sites commenting procedure finishes? I see that it will then become a quiet time on this Group. However, it will still be there, in the background for whenever it may be needed in the future. Hopefully it will be to disseminate good news as the candidate sites are sifted out during the process and we can heatily congratulate ourselves. If, meanwhile any of us hear's something potentially useful about the sites, it will still be a good way for us to let each other know. And relevant site-specific info can still be fed into the LDP process until January.......

Best Wishes,
- Carrie Thomas -
Touchwood, 4 Clyne Valley Cottages, Killay, Swansea, SA2 7DU South Wales, UK. Tel 01792 522443

www.touchwoodspirit.com <http://www.touchwoodspirit.com/> : spiritual & self-development sessions or workshops;


Healing including Bowen Technique, Theta DNA, and Byron Katie's 'Loving What Is' ('The Work'):

And for gardening, seeds and plants: www.touchwoodplants.co.uk <http://www.touchwoodplants.co.uk/>

----- Original Message -----
From: Liz Thomas <mailto:lizmari...@btinternet.com>
To: save-cly...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:44 PM
Subject: LDPsiteNotice


Hi Carrie,

Collected six copies of SK0026 Site Notice from Rachel Davies (Planning). Fair play, she'd even put string on them. So they were easy to attach to lamp-posts in Royal Oak Rd, Derwen Fawr Rd, Ynys Newydd C.Park entrance, and Saunders Way. A Saunders Way resident said he hadn't heard anything about the LDP Candidate Sites exercise, nor the Sketty Park meeting with councillors couple weeks ago. But he certainly took a lively interest in the SK0026 Site Notice, so I think he'll be making some comments !

Also, while doodling on the internet, I found that 'Save Clyne Valley' is on Wikipaedia. Via a link to our "Green Team" webpage that we set up beginning of the year.

1. Type "Clyne River" in Wikipaedia search box. A short page opens up.
2. Click on the small blue 'page' icon on bottom of that Wikipaedia page.

3. "Green Team" webpage opens up, and www.saveclynevalley.co.uk <http://www.saveclynevalley.co.uk/> is on the links page.

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