Fwd: Julius Sello Malema Matric Results

[Diphapang Mofokeng]

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I would like to know why these results are sent arround.

 

Regards

Kgotsofalang

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From: Diphapang Mofokeng [mailto:diph...@gmail.com]
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[Lungisa, Ayongezwa (Mr) (s20629995)]

Comrade Kgotso, you are asking the same question I was going to ask. Unfortunately or fortunately I was going to ask cde Diphapang as he is the one who sent this to me and in the list there is moria of people he has sent to.

 

When I look at this, I see it as the deliberate attempt by reactionary forces to undermine our leadership. Where did they get the results as it relates to Julius's certificate? Why would they be of public consumption? If you look at this, the recipient is mainly the middle class and students who have access to this kind of medium of communication. If comrades will track back, the trial of JZ included these fabricated e-mail. What will be the next move?

 

By the way, when I look at this e-mail and its originality, Andile Mthethwa is the first person to send it around. What are his interests?

 

Regards,

[Diphapang Mofokeng]

Comrades and others

 

Firstly, this email was not forwarded with malicious intent either to harm one or another individual's character or impair their personality right. It is, to start with, a fabrication (from the source) intended to start a conversation. Nothing serious comrades, interpret it (fabricated matric statement) just like a cartoon. It was peddled, i assume, to start a debate around some of the stereotypes or not that people have.

 

PS: Relax comrades 

 

FORWARD WITH THE MARATHON OF IDEAS!!!

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Nolwazi Bandezi <kna...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sphosh we are living in the world of technology where we can all communicate in a space of seconds.

 

Talking about platforms: the majority of SA youth does not have a voice why because all the so called ANC structures are only accessible to the members. The majority of voters are not members of any political organisations they are ordinary citizens so please sista!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I hope that the Lekota crew will target the youth that is thirsty for real change and advancement of our socio-economic status!!!!! The ANC needs a strong opposition....if it means that the crew gets the ID and them on its side to oppose this dragon so be it.......

 

keep on writing guys.......

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Ndimba, Xolani X <Xolani...@standardbank.co.za> wrote:

 

Siphiwe, I'll not be suprised if her next step is to label you and call you names.

 

Sphokazi, democarcy also means we don't have to use the so called "platform" that you and the like are advocating.

 

Freedom of Expression! I'm sure you heard of this many times? But, do you really know how it is exercised?

 

Siphokazi, you are free to sing and dance to your tune (e.g. Umshini Wam, etc) on your platform. But, do not coerce others to join you and label them when they refuse.

 

Amongst others, it is my right not to interact with one if, after careful consideration, I'm convinced they have a mental capacity of a 7 year old (I can also decide to entertain them). It is my right not to interact with those who shoot from the hip. It is my right to believe in the cliche' 'empty barrels make the most noise'! The list goes on - the Constitution of RSA is a very thick doc!

 

Debate must continue; it's very healthy.

 

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Subject: Re: Julius Sello Malema Matric Results

Comrade Sphokazi please tell me of the correct platform that i can use to clarify issues that i may have.This is the problem with the political organisations in RSA especially the ruling ones.They speak of correct platform,when that platform is only available to a certain few.We are fortunate enough to have the use of emails as a form of communication because this helps us get our opinions and views across about our beloved RSA,this at this point in time is the only platform that i can utilise where my voice even if its a minority will be heard,which is an aspect of democracy which is ignored.

 

I know there are comrades that may share simillar views on me about a lot of things but because they are part of an organisation and their views are a minority view they will not be heard,instead it will be supressed.All i have to say,that comrades you are learned individuals that have the capacity to think objectively,we have been fortunate enough to recieve this tertiary education,lets not follow blindly,lets think about what we can or ought to believe.This should not be about me liking or prefering a certain person over another but about RSA,this is not about the ANC its about the future of the of RSA.

 

The problem les there with what is happening,they are forgetting that we live in RSA and not ANC.

 

 

Do not woory comrades i wont think of you as reactionary if you reply,i would like to entertain an intellectual conversation.If you are going to tell me im wrong and do not respect my views,then again you must not reply.The problem is there,people especially comnrades do not like to entertain conflicting views or opinions.

 

 

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 2:35 PM, Mani, Siphokazi (Miss) (s204049989) <Siphokazi...@nmmu.ac.za> wrote:

Comrades.

 

It is very unfortunate that some of our very own comrades will be leading the cartooning of our own leadership in the form of Cde Julius " Blockbuster" Malema. Comrades one's revolutionary intellectualism cannot be tested on how good are they in memorizing a history text book. Comrade Julius is a revolutionary intellectual and we don't need Naledi, Malusi or any senior certification to prove that.

 

PHATHA JULIUS PHATHA.

 

Spokaz

 

P.S: Comrades must not be cowards, attacking leadership and raise their confused sponsored views through chain emails for fear of being engaged. If comrades have something to raise about the president of the Youth League they must raise them in correct platforms so we can clarify them as we clarifying Lekota and his crew.

 

 

 

 

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From: Diphapang Mofokeng [diph...@gmail.com]
Sent: 15 October 2008 04:07 PM

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[Diphapang Mofokeng]

Firstly i don't think that comrade Spiecho was claiming to be the source of all wisdom, nor was he trying to potray himself as omniscient but in my view engaged what he thought were the characteristics of a good leader. Whether we agree with him or not is another issue. Some of us, myself included, are still guided by "through the eye of a needle" in electing ledearship but this remains our holy bible in the movement and let us not force it unto the rest of the society as much as i personally think that it captures everything about what the leadership ought to look like.

 

The second issue i think is not healthy is not jump to name calling to sort out our issues. Names have been flying around like 'neo liberal and liberal', cronnies, this and that. I don't think that is going to assist. The thing i think we must discuss is, what kind of leadership do we need in this 21st century to tackle some of the challenges we are facing as South Africans in general and youth in particular. Challenges such as substance and drug abuse, violence in schools, violent and sometimes misguided marches where students go on a rampage to damage the very same infrastructure they will need the following day, unemployment and unemployability of our youth and graduates especially those from previously disadvantaged universities, perpetuation of violent language that has become useless and in the current political quagmire, galloping inflation which hits at the core of our society (the working class many of whom are African, women and rural). Amen!

 

In my view, Polokwane and controversial Mangaung conferences elected leadership which enjoys acceptance from the rest of the society and that warrants those among us who believe we represent good, to ask what is it that we need to do in order to ensure that we succeed in our endevours together with our democratically elected leadership. The issue of formal education in my view acts as a lubricant in shaping and enhancing one's view of the world. It must however not be used as a barrier to stop some of the committed cadres of our movement from assuming positions of political responsibility. I will make one example of someone who was not an intellectual in an academic sense but an organic intellectual who was cultured in traditions of the congress movement. Walter Sisulu was not an academic intellectual.he left school at his early ages and even when he tried to correspond with UNISA in Robben island his studies were frequently interrupted.But he kept the ANC together for a very long time and he was often called a silent engine of the organisation and sometimes called a living monument of our liberation struggle....

 

But those were different times, chances of schooling were minimal and often one was not allowed to progress to higher levels because one would impose a threat to the then government but i think that that is not and excuse for someone who has ample opportunities, to fail and run away from school and want to argue based on people like walter sisulu. Comrades must study and pass in order to serve as an inspiration to the rest of the society. I think we lack role models as young people. people we can look up to with pride and conviction. I think people like Xolani Ndimba, Akhona Gincana, Awethu Zumana, Branton Jonas, siphiwe mgandela (Mandela with a 'g') and Mawethu Rune among many others will always serve as an inspiration to us that one can engage in politics and pass at the same time. Many young people will always look upto them for inspiration....

 

"FORWARD WITH ACADEMIC EXCELLENCE"

 

"LET'S DEBATE AND NOT GIVE EACH OTHER NAME TAGS"

 

 

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Jonas, Branton (Mr) (s203018400) <Branto...@nmmu.ac.za> wrote:

That's funny! now all of a sudden you act like my personal friend. But that's OK. Today you have this freedom to engage on this platform because of selfless sacrifice by the many who saw it fit the  for future generation like yourselves to enjoy democracy.  Needless to say Menere, it seems that you seem to have taken the interest of the entire youth of South Africa to hart. That's good for you. But let us not be fooled. How would you solve the challenges of our nation and when can I subscribe to your school of leadership excellence, seems you guy's have all the answers. Furthermore, if you are serious about true change then you should act and refrain from arm chair revolutionary tactics? Provide solutions chiefs. The NEC has earned its place through a democratic process. On the contrary people like you blindly follow people without respect for democracy. Now don't be jealous of Presdent Julius, he has worked and sacrificed for the masses and is an elected leader. Can you do the same? If you think  you entertain us, let the games begin we are Anxiously   waiting. Provide us with your philosophical solutions to our countries challenges.

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Sent: Fri 2008/10/17 11:10 AM
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Subject: Re: Julius Sello Malema Matric Results

I must say that i am very disappointed in your response Comrade Branton.I did not take you as someone that would use this opportunity that you have to say something influential to others and yet start by criticising or undermining this platform which we as the concerned youth of RSA have taken upon ourselves to express concerning issues which are ignored by our beloved leaders,who i will again disagree with you on the issue of them being power hungry..who is power hungry the comrades that forced comrades out so that they could get those seats within the NEC or governement.Are those not going to be the same guys that will be living the life-style of Terror and his cronnies as you so called put it,which again you are so against.No one says anything about certain SACP or COSATU leaders pulling up with bodygaurds and C-class mercs and X 5s all over the place.

 

Lets stop been so ignorant and naive please,this is no personal attack at you Jonas,im now speaking to everyone here on this listserv.I will further like t be excused for my liberal rhetoric,i am no communist and im very neo-liberal,yes come call me more names i have sensed that comrades are good at that.Call me counter-revolutionary,i have heard it all before. I will not follow blindly while i am being led off a cliff..if i listen to the President of the Youth League and those that agree with his radicalism thats exactly where we will go.All i want is just respect for leadership,from these PYA structures.

 

 

Phambile ngama qabane acingayo

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Jonas, Branton (Mr) (s203018400) <Branto...@nmmu.ac.za> wrote:

  

Revolutionary greetings form Bisho

 

It is a pity that these debates cannot take the form of a face-to-face engagement because some people have perfected the art of writing emails which is clearly a modern yet very impersonal form of communication. Maybe an indication that this is how they define their contribution to our beloved country. It is not a practice I would encourage to those who have decided to discredit our revolutionary leadership to do. For your information, the narrow definition of formal education as a requirement for leadership ability stems from an arrogant indoctrination of western values which is dominant in the thoughts of those who subscribe to a failed capitalistic world economy, and unconscious youth who have not taken time to read the progressive policies of the ANCYL and ANC, SACP and COSATU, and PYA. Comrades, let us not entertain uninformed liberal rhetoric. The MDM has a clearly defined ideological principles and these should dominate our daily lives through political activism that has defined our existence thus far. But let me nullify some of the lies that has been perpetuated by an anti- ANC media and ill-disciplined individuals. Over the last weeks, the media has largely contributed to propagate Terror's so-called mass based support and claims that they the "Real ANC" would provide political education for what they term a 'Deviation from the core principles of the Freedom Charter.' As a cadre of the movement, I cannot help but wonder where Terror's sudden passion to provide leadership comes from. Maybe it is part his personal crises to make psychological peace with the fact that 'their' Class Project has finally been defeated, and that he and his cronies cannot succumb to the clearly defined Organisational Principles of ANC Branches. Even worse, is the fact that the large volume of political education provided over the years has fell on deaf ears. Young conscious South Africans would not be misled or confused by power hungry, ill disciplined  people such as Terror and Nqaba Banga who by the way is not a member of the ANCYL NMM Regional Executive Committee. Since when can he teach the ANCYL about discipline when ill-discipline dominated his entire student political career? This should further serve as a warning for those who claim that they command P.E's Northern Areas. Our Community has had enough of people who have nothing but their own selfish interest at hart. We need leaders that have respect for our hard fought democracy, a product of the Vision and aspirations of the Peoples Congress to have a democratic South Africa. We believe in the ANC's democratic culture and do not run away when our views have been defeated.  Unlike Archbishop Desmond Tutu, we will vote and vote consciously, we encourage the youth to do the same.

 

 

Clowns belong in the circus and not in the ANC

 

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From: Siphiwe Mgandela [mailto:spi...@gmail.com]

Sent: Fri 2008/10/17 09:15 AM
To: Ndimba, Xolani X
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Subject: Re: Julius Sello Malema Matric Results

I am glad that this email has struck some people that actually agree on some of the most essential issues that are at hand ie the stability and movement of RSA in the right direction in this time of "polilitical instability". I use that term very carefully because as you know as someone of you will be tempted to argue "there is no political instability,right...everything is on track".

 

Before i go any further i would like to 1st just highlight to most of the people here on this listserv that not everyone here is a comrade or is affiliated to a political party although we can safely assume that majority of us are or were ANC supporters for that matter.SO to speak about relevant structures to people that have no access to these structures is pointless,and one not knowing this might take you as being an ignorant soul,but can you blame such people that are not exposed to these structures.How do these people reach these platforms to express their views and concerns about their country?

 

It is healthy for an organisation to have internal debates but external debates assist in attaining democracy in its fullest.If i am not a registered member of any political party how then do i get to debate issues with the people that are tasked to run our country.The ruling party has made one huge mistake according to my view,it has in some way taken granted of the fact that people who vote for the ANC are not neccessarily card carrying members...in this instance they have forgotten that those votes count.

I think i made this point earlier,it is not important or it should not be an issue whom you like in the ANC,the important thing should be do you still agree with what the ANC stands for.If you feel that you can still identify with it and its principles and policies then your opinion should be based on that notion.Equally if you feel that the ANC has changed and derailed from what it had or has promised and that you can no longer identify with its principles or policies (that are said to stay the same,but on the other hand which the alliance wants to restructure) should be based on that notion.

 

I am very interested to know,why has the ANC taken suck a relaxed stance about the upcoming elections,i have not seen one ANC poster up or heard of anyone canvassing for any votes.The DA on the other hand has had posters up for 2 months already here in KZN i dont know about other parts of the country.

 

Anyways i am looking to cast a vote in the next election,and before i do i will have to think about it which previously that was a though that i wouldnt even intertain because i knew exactly who to vote for,any contacts for the "Splinter Party"???

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Ndimba, Xolani X <Xolani...@standardbank.co.za> wrote:

Have you ever thought that maybe you could be one of those who not understand the ANC?. You talk like you know better than anyone else who is challenging the current political climate. Real ANC cadres do not point fingers, nor make false accusations - just take a look around and you will these people I refer to. We need to rid ourselves of this tone of ownership when debating issues around the ANC.

 

You and the like are quick to dismiss whoever expresses an undesirable opinion about what is happening within the Party.

 

Are you a fan of certain individuals within the  ANC or a member of the party?

 

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From: Awethu Amandla Zumana [mailto:awethu...@gmail.com]
Sent: 16 October 2008 17:12 PM
To: Diphapang Mofokeng
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Subject: Re: Julius Sello Malema Matric Results

U see comrades i expected an intellectual debate, basicaly i think the debate has detororiated to name calling, anyway I dont think theres  need to bite sphokz's head off because she expresses her view that for matured comrades she would hve expected comrades to engage these issues constructively in structures of the organisation the understanding here is that u r not speaking to general masses but to comrades who understand the protocols and fuctioning of the organisation 

 

I think the issue here is that we must move away from the neo liberal tendency of judging and concluding on our leadrship based on formal education when most of us in the movement know that the education in the movement is not formalised that u dont get a certificate for umrhabulo, u see a matric certificate does not give u the neccesary education or cappacity to lead an organisation as gigantic as the ANCYL, a typical matric student cannot be expected to grasp complex issues like international relations, political economy, dialectical and historical materialism etc. therefore to use a matric certificate as yardstick or barrometer for leadership of a revolutionary organisation just shows  clearly that some of us do not understand the ANC or the youth league

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[Mtsweni, Sifiso (Mr) (s20429560)]

Dear Beloved Patriots

 

I had since taken a decision not to reply to this "Intellectual Debate" as I had never saw myself as an "intellectual" but certain areas call for a small comment.

 

Firstly, it is interesting to note this renewed sense of defending "RSA" as one writer highlights below. In particular the writer seeks to make us believe, in intended or unintended ways, that the ANC including its youth wing are threatening the country hence this heroic stance of this defender is in the "best interest of liberal youth and abantu abancingayo".

 

As much as I agree with a constant battle of ideas. these should be informed, first and foremost by a thorough understanding of what the situation is AND not by an understanding of what the situation should be. Using someone's academic record whether fabricated or not is illegal to say the least. If we are truly people that want to defend "RSA" and are serious about the future of this country we should all start by respecting each other's privacy and that includes our mental ability whether they are up to standard or not.

 

Having said that, it also important to also note Comrade Anda Nyondla's observation of the situation which in my view is what "intellectual debate" should be about. We need to look at the roots that continue to challenge our society not just attack individuals just because they don't posses the same intellectual capacity as us. It is the order of the day that we should constantly challenge, we should also understand dialectics. Thesis and anti-thesis should translate into a dialectic profound of synthesis.

 

Secondly I think as well, we cannot divorce the ANC (no pun intended) from society. I agree with one comrade that says the majority of voters are in fact not ANC members. I also agree with the fact that the organization has somewhat assumed a "gentlemen's club or dinangwe" approach of partially opening its doors and we must agree to this fact! (but surely this could not be achieved in a mere 10 months in office) but this should not impair our personal responsibilities, to firstly as "intellectuals" provide clarity of thought and to give direction.

 

Lastly it would be a sad day in South Africa where young people would constantly "play the man and not the ball". Debate is crucial and is premised on difference of opinion and therefore it is inevitable that we will differ, but the strength of debate lies in differing in a sense of construction and not destruction.

 

Mine is that, I will continue to observe with interest whilst "intellectuals" continue to battle it out so that we on the ground can learn.

 

Amandla! 

 

Tso Wabana!!!

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From: Diphapang Mofokeng [mailto:diph...@gmail.com]

Sent: Fri 10/17/2008 03:01 PM

To: Jonas, Branton (Mr) (s203018400)

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