Re: The power of Google

[Diphapang Mofokeng]

I find the article fascinating and mindboggling at best. It is often the case with media and ivory tower politicians like Xolela Mangcu, Sipho Seepe and others to forget some of the defining characteristics of Mbeki's character, legacy and leadership. His desire and emphasis for Africa to define itself both politically, and economically. The desire for Africa to define its future and generate solutions to its own and sometimes unique problems.

 

HIV/AIDS

People often forget that Mbeki was the first one to question some of the flaws in the strategy by the west to define Africa's future especially on the HIV/AIDS saga. The reality of the matter is, which Mbeki argued against, that America produced ARV's and wanted to ship them to Africa, poor continent, rural and unurbanised, premitive, corrupt, uncivilised,  for testing. How do you allow that to happen? This was a capitalist agenda by the west to create a market for its pharmaceutical companies in especially SA. This in turn would have a domino effect as AIDS kills one's immune system which makes one vulnarable or expose them to other opportunist deseases like TB, flu, and others. It is a domino effect because this market will further create another market for other products or vaccines. Manto was chasticed by Zachie and his donors (American phamaceutical companies) and made a mochery out of our HIV policy. She was potrayed as a vegetarian when no attempt was made to establish the power of beetroot and garlic in terms of vitamins. The reality in SA, with up to 70% level of gini coefficient which measures level of a country's inequality, is that HIV kills mostly those who live below poverty line (live with less than US$1 per day). What the government was trying to do was to place emphasis on healthy lifestyle and living.

On economy

This almost forgotten hero in Thabo was the first sitting president to enjoy the longest sustained economic growth in the whole of Africa. no one has ever done that not even countries that attained independence way before us. When the ANC was preparing to ascend to power in 1994, RDP became its economic policy and an election manifesto. The reality of the matter is, RDP was a highly ambitious economic policy. Ambitious because it forecasted provision of basic services in big numbers when 1, there was no money to do that (The ANC inherited a government deficit of almost 50% of the GDP, which meant that we could not achieve any of the plan in RDP).Despite that, to date the ANC government led by Tbos build 1million houses, which no other country has achieved within a space of 10 years. 2, investor confidence was at its lowest in our country and as such needed a policy that would first build that confidence and then move foward with redistribuiton. RDP was about redistribution when at the time there was nothing to redistribute.

 

Gear, came into being in 1996. Opposed to the popular view, Gear was discussed extensively by the alliance after it was drafted by university professors. It is not as if it was super imposed without engagement. I will quote what various alliance leaders said about gear to indicate that indeed they engaged it. This is from sunday times of DEC, 12 2007 titled "Gear definitely not a capitalist plot" by Trevor Manuel:

 

"Gear was tabled in parliament on June 14 1996. Prior to its tabling, on June 9 1996, President Nelson Mandela convened a meeting of leaders of the tripartite alliance at his Johannesburg home to discuss the broad elements of the Gear strategy. Comrade Blade Nzimande led the SA Communist Party delegation and Cosatu's then deputy general secretary, Comrade Zwelinzima Vavi, led the union federation's delegation. The meeting agreed on vital aspects of Gear and agreed to disagree on the fiscal stance.

 

"On the same day, Cosatu issued a statement through Vavi. The Saturday Star of June 15 1996 reported: "Vavi said the labour movement was pleased to see the incorporation of several points in the plan, including the focus on education, the use of public works programmes, the commitment to infrastructure development, and the linking of tax incentives to job creation schemes.

 

It is also worth pointing out that the ANC's 1997 Mafikeng conference adopted Gear as its macroeconomic strategy."

 

Where does this place a popular view that Gear was not discussed and was superimposed?

Be that as it may, Gear attained mixed results and in some way has taken South Africa forward although there are areas where the jury was out. It achieved sound macroeconomic outcomes but failed to attain its developmental outcomes. I

believe that gear set itself up for failure in areas where it failed by emphasising a strong link between Foreign Direct Investment and employment when prospects of that were less. It relied on the private sector for boosting growth when the government should have taken a centre stage. fiscal restraint and debt reduction in the Gear period released resources for public investment… both at present and in the future. This means that present and future generations will have more means at their disposal to utilise for the betterment of the lives of the poor which would otherwise have not been there in the absence of restrictive fiscal policy

What does Mbeki's legacy mean to us

It means that we have more to  rejoice about with election victory of about 70% in 2004, attainement of sound macroecenomic outcomes, attainement of 'Africa define yourself' vision, G8 increasing to G14 due to the role SA played in the golbal world, women empowerment, zero tollerance to crime and corruption, UN security council, AU and Pan African Parliament, FIFA 2010, i can mention as many things as possible.These are just highlights. I have the following message to the ANC and SA: Do not kill a goose that layed golden eggs

 

I will leave name calling and critiquing of Thabo and his legacy to others who may wish to do so.

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Ndimba, Xolani X <Xolani...@standardbank.co.za> wrote:

 

Just hit the 'Delete' key if you find this article anti-stupidity (or should I say anti-Mr Male... whom you would "kill for")

October 19 2008 at 02:48PM

By Onkgopotse JJ Tabane There are no simple answers to the vexing question of whether Thabo Mbeki's reign has left us better or worse off than before. This much is clear following the the debate about the legacy of the former president launched by The Star this week, His legacy will eventually be judged by history, although one can attempt to do rough drafts, and when history eventually pronounces, a different picture might emerge - the impact of his actions, both positive and negative, will only be fully appreciated with the passage of time. Before one can assess some of the pointers on which an evaluation can be started, it is crucial to understand, especially in the current poisonous political climate, that the Mbeki legacy and the legacy of the ANC, particularly in the past 15 years, cannot be separated. Similarly, his legacy cannot be gauged only from his tenure in government but should also include his rich involvement in the liberation of our people long before the ANC was a ruling party. But it would be fair, if not definitive, to view the past 15 years as the defining moments of his influence. His legacy can be best understood by looking at three pillars: a domestic prophet not heeded, the sower of the seeds of continental renaissance and a man who has held Africa shoulder high to ascend to the world stage. When all is said and done, whether at home or abroad, Mbeki can be considered a victim of the big picture. In much the same way as Nkwame Nkrumah was appreciated too late by his own people, so too we are made to believe by many that Mbeki's legacy has been tainted by his fall from power. At home, Mbeki was a prophet not always heeded and many concede that he was a general marching too far ahead of his troops. But the facts of his outstanding leadership of the ANC speak for themselves. Under his watch the ANC increased its majority in parliament three times in a row - a majority that was never abused or used to tamper with the constitution. But he leaves behind a party that is divided, an alliance that is wounded and an ANC that has failed to modernise. Whether the division that was precipitated by his unfortunate decision to run for office in Polokwane will prove to be good for our democracy is yet to be seen. Many have argued that the ANC's unfettered power can only be tempered by internal opposition. Mbeki's legacy in this regard may yet be defined by the unfolding events that could lead to the birth of a real and serious opposition to the ANC. Mbeki's legacy at home cannot be fully appreciated beyond his role as a midwife of economic stability. Put simply, his administration inherited a faltering economy with a staggering deficit of more than $25 billion. Today our reserves are in the black - R36 billion, which is no small feat. He has presided over the longest sustained period of economic growth ever experienced by South Africa. This, too, is no small feat. Economic facts tell a story of a masterful steering of the economy, enabling the current government to talk of a surplus that can be deployed to increase social spending. This is the fruit of Mbeki's toil. It is also crucial that his legacy must acknowledge that he presided over the most revolutionary redistribution of wealth ever by passing legislation such as the mining charter and the broad-based black economic empowerment codes of good practice. The foundations of the stock exchange were rocked by his government's decision to take the bull by the horns and announce its intention to transform the wealthiest sector of our economy - mining. But it has now become commonplace to talk about interventions to deal with the second economy, which created an environment that saw inflation being kept under 10 percent until this year. This positive story is topped by the radical amendment of the social grant system and a focus on other economic sectors, such as agriculture and tourism. The boom speaks volumes about the big vision that often characterised his leadership of government. The downside is the lack of sustainability - an attempt to be everything to everyone was bound to result in an unfinished story. The ANC, whose mandate he was implementing when he achieved all this, cannot afford to squander these foundations by handing them over to others with a misguided communist agenda. Although we have been assured that this is not on the cards, the proof of the pudding will be in the eating. Mbeki's supporters don't find it easy to point out the faults of the man. This often does him and his legacy no good. The man has some oddities, not least of which is that he is what could be termed an under-communicator. Though he could wax lyrical about the philosophies of the renaissance of Africa and the values on which we need to build a new kind of cadre for our nation, though he could pen thousands of letters to the party faithful and rebut concisely the arguments of friends and foes alike, he suffered from a belief that he should not always explain himself too much. No wonder even those who supported him were often none the wiser about his inexplicable decisions on HIV and Aids, his strategy on Zimbabwe and his insistence on keeping Manto Tshabalala-Msimang, his minister of health, and similar non-performers in his cabinet. I am certain he had good reasons. His under-communicator mode also kicked in unstrategically at the most difficult of times, leaving him vulnerable to attack and making his delayed response ineffective. His relationship with the press is a result of this mode. But belittling the press is not a good idea and the result of this has been seen all over the opinion pages. As a result, very few newsrooms are mourning his departure, giving leading opinion-makers, who have nothing new to add to their criticism of him, the opportunity to air their prejudices repeatedly. Some have even sought to rewrite the history of his role in our body politic. On the HIV and Aids debate in particular, I believe his biggest missed opportunity was his failure to inspire the nation to rise up against the monster. The public needed inspiration. It was sorely missing and, sadly, now threatens to define his presidency - which is a pity when you consider that, despite these debates, South Africa soldiered on to create the biggest antiretroviral roll-out programme in the world. Its strategic plan is today the envy of the world - a fact often conveniently forgotten by those seeking to crucify him. Similarly on Zimbabwe. At the beginning of the crisis, Mbeki wrote a long note of rebuke to Mugabe, something that everyone conveniently chooses to forget. It is plain to the level-headed that, as a mediator, you cannot possibly take the route of shouting from the rooftops. Blame for failing on the Zimbabwe crisis, given that it is an issue driven by the Southern African Development Community (SADC), is more sound and fury on the part of the media rather than a serious debate about what could help to solve the problem. When all is said and done, history will tell a story different to the current noise on Zimbabwe. Mbeki's legacy as a sower of the seeds of African renaissance is probably his most remarkable achievement - he made the development of Africa his big vision, he made it his business and he put a stamp on it that many can't deny. He saw to the adoption of a sensible plan in the New Partnership for Africa's Development and, by supporting the peer-review mechanism, stepped up to the plate, which many African leaders had until then only talked about in hushed tones. It is crucial that the resources that Mbeki's government dedicated to peace-making and peace-keeping on the continent be seen as a mark of his leadership - to put our money as a country where our mouth is as promoters of the reawakening of Africa's self-reliance. His mantra, African solutions for African problems, underpinned everything he did about Africa. No wonder we played host to the relaunch of the Organisation of African Unity and became the headquarters of the African Parliament. Africa was Mbeki's throne and this did not always sit well with his peers, so not all are mourning his departure. It is yet to be seen what his future role on the continent will be. The fact that both SADC and the ANC have asked him to continue as mediator in the Zimbabwe crisis vindicates his stance on the matter, despite some in both the ANC and SADC speaking with forked tongues about the matter when it suits them. All the world was Mbeki's stage. In his wake, Africa is being taken a tad more seriously, the United Nations will be restructured and the G8 will cease to be a club of the privileged - thanks to his daring. Developing countries are also awake to the possibilities of collaboration and his successor will marvel at the opportunities he has created - Africa will be heard on a world stage, a stage where it has never been heard before. This is the stuff that legacies are made of - indelible footprints that can only benefit future generations, who will know how to assert themselves and, as the people of the second-largest continent, stand up against those who have always sought to control Africa. Needless to say, Mbeki's independent-mindedness in the global arena did not always win him friends. He has annoyed the West in many instances - as an agent of change, that was an indicator that he was on to something good. There is little that you can fault where his mastery of foreign affairs is concerned. A foundation that built on a renewed South Africa has been laid - foreign direct investment has increased a hundredfold and tourism numbers are soaring and will be knocking at the 10 million a year mark by 2010 when we will bask in yet another of Mbeki's gifts to us - the Fifa World Cup. So, could we really live with ourselves if we were to say that we are worse off because of Mbeki? Could the ANC live with itself if it were to rubbish or isolate his legacy? Could Africa look at itself and wish his Midas touch away? Could the world claim it did not drink something from his cup of brilliance? Could commentators, including those who cannot write a single sentence in his favour, really have us believe that he should be consigned to the dustbin of history instead of the hall of fame? Methinks not. You be the judge. Onkgopotse JJ Tabane is the group executive at Altron and a media commentator. He is writing in his personal capacity

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Subject: Re: The power of Google

Nicely put qabane could not have said that better myself.

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Kholofelo Molatela Thalakgale-Maponya <k.thal...@gmail.com> wrote:

Haai vele he is an idiot and brainless! We are how we behave, if something barks - its probably a dog, if it meous - its probably a cat, if you talk rubbish, you're most probably a brainless idiot!

Comrades mustn't think that you are the only ones who can lable people (counter-revolutionary; illdisciplined; redundant... - the list continues).

I'm tired of this culture of silencing, censorship and intolerance which some of you are propagating. If you want to live in an autocratic state where people cannot express themselves, move to Zimbabwe!

2008/10/20 Ndimba, Xolani X <Xolani...@standardbank.co.za>

Meant for Awethu Z. Re-read the two emails below - starting with the former (from the bottom)

 

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Subject: Re: The power of Google

How is that offensive and tasteless,i think you are being too sensitive comrade.Anyways i have noted that.Im glad there are ppl that do see the humour in it,sad thing is that the joke is true.

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Ndimba, Xolani X <Xolani...@standardbank.co.za> wrote:

i think some of these comments should be shared with ppl who share your mindset cause i personally find them tasteless and defensive

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Subject: Re: The power of Google

i think some of these jokes should be shared with ppl who share ur sense of humour cause i personally find them tasteless and offensive

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Lonwabo Msutwana <msut...@gmail.com> wrote:

Comrades

 

This is what is out there

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From: Kholofelo Molatela Thalakgale-Maponya <k.thal...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 4:40 PM
Subject: The power of Google
To: Sange Nteyi <assn...@gmail.com>, Mathapelo Moloto <thapi....@gmail.com>, Mandisa Khwatsa <luso...@gmail.com>, Shazz Molokomme <shaz...@gmail.com>, mpho sibanyoni <mpho...@gmail.com>, Siphiwe Mgandela <g05m...@campus.ru.ac.za>

This is what I found on Google.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Fellow Young People

 

I am not going to write anything long as I had done in my previous request to you. Can I request for the second time in a row that we quit this attack on each other and on leadership of the African National Congress and its Youth League.

 

This exchange of words has not assisted us or perhaps should I say I have not seen anything to be of benefit to South African Youth, but a mere attack directed at individual. As a individual I would not like to have a perception about Siphiwe before I actually meet him or interact with him. Diphapang will have his day to answer to us as a person we know as it relates to what he thinks is the agenda of this communiqué he has deliberately put us on.

 

To comrades, people do not respond to these kind of e-mails again. The movement is under threat and even those we had thought were on our side have shown their true colors. There is saying that there is no one who will ever be able to bring ANC down who is out side. Which it further continues to say, it is ANC that will bring problems to itself. My take on this is that, it is only those who read the oath in the membership form in a hurry either because they have seen un opportunity to exploit or a leadership position to occupy. Now when these opportunities and leadership positions are no more, they then become uncomfortable and impatient with leadership democratically elected.

 

These kind of e-mails might be taken in a shallow way, but in actual fact they mean a lot to their architectures. Comrades need not be surprised when they see a response by those mandated to circulate this around, because their agenda is to make sure that they cause turmoil among the progressives. 

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From: Diphapang Mofokeng [diph...@gmail.com]
Sent: 20 October 2008 07:16 PM
To: Ndimba, Xolani X
Cc: Siphiwe Mgandela; loyiso phantshwa; nyoka; Luthando; z.mat...@ru.ac.za; Kholofelo Molatela Thalakgale-Maponya; Awethu Amandla Zumana; Lonwabo Msutwana; 5032...@nmmu.ac.za; 5502...@nmmu.ac.za; ecs...@union.org.za; g08l...@campus.ru.ac.za; g08m...@campus.ru.ac.za; g08m...@campus.ru.ac.za; javas_m...@yahoo.com; kgos...@gmail.com; mzanzi-...@googlegroups.com; rhode...@googlegroups.com; rhodes...@googlegroups.com; run...@webmail.co.za; Mokoena, Zimkhitha (Miss) (s205019749); Sabela, Menzi (Mr) (s20503034); Lehlapa, Kgotsofalang (Mr) (s205051791); sasc...@googlegroups.com; sasc...@googlegroups.com; t_mas...@yahoo.com; wam...@gmail.com; zimkhith...@yahoo.com; Awethu Amandla Zumana; Ayanda Ndinise; Blue Diamond; Brenda; Bubbles; Cyril Ramaphosa; Dyani, Siphumezo (Miss) (s205040349); Eddie Levert; Faxi; Fayol; George Kahn; jacob B.W Yeats mbutana; Joe Sample; Jonas, Branton (Mr) (s203018400); Jonas, Branton (Mr) (s203018400); Kgotsofalang (Mr) (s205051791) Lehlapa; kholosa siphe loni; Lehlapa, Kgotsofalang (Mr) (s205051791); Lerato; Lesailane, Matome (Mr) (s207070569); Lesailane, Matome (Mr) (s207070569); lu...@webmail.co.za; Lungisa, Ayongezwa (Mr) (s20629995); Lungisa, Ayongezwa (Mr) (s20629995); Mani, Siphokazi (Miss) (s204049989); Maphuti Mannya; mkateko lybon mdlhuli; Mmabotswa; Mokoena, Zimkhitha (Miss) (s205019749); Mthetho Blom; Mtsweni, Sifiso (Mr) (s20429560); Mtsweni, Sifiso (Mr) (s20429560); musa glen ndzovela; Mvambi, Njongo (Mr) (s50328921); mzoxolo budaza; Nakani, Melumza (Mr) (s206013051); NMMU George Campus Student Council Chairman; Ntsiko's; Nyondla, Anda (Mr) (s20512807); phetelo-castro zenzile; Poloko Motsoane; Pritchard, Shaun (Mr) (s20517990); Rune, Mawethu (Mr) (s206039981); Saki Macozoma; SASCO BEC; Simphiwe Kanityi; Siphiwe Mgandela; Sol Platjie; Sonwabo Ngqontsha; syanda hypolite ngcobo; thapelo tselapedi; themig...@webmail.co.za; tinyiko mashabane; TSHEPO WICLIFT; wamuwi mbao; Winnie Mandela; xolani nyali; Yonela; Zama; Zana, Vuyani (Mr) (s20432998); zikhona nweba

[Diphapang Mofokeng]

TK you have completely lost it. I must say though that you at last have a view on anything. You have proven me wrong...We have not lost the debate, you have lost it by tring so hard to potray yourself as a good sammaritan and a messiah when the situation favours you. The reason i wrote what i wrote is largely due to the article forwarded to us by Xolani. It shows utter laziness on your part that you didn't even bother to read what xolani forwarded to us and jump the gun to make wild and irrelevant claims.What i wrote falls short a big way from being a biography. At least you have done what i said people like you would be able to do.i.e labelling people as this and that which has absolutely no bearing on the topic under discussion

 

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Sihlangu, Thokozani (Mr) (s207050130) <ThokozaniDoc...@nmmu.ac.za> wrote:

Comrades

It seems as if we have lost direction of the actual debate. I believe the actual debate was about Cde Malema's in capabilities of being a youth leader. So how is this related to Mbeki's legacy? It seems as if now we are reading Tibos biography.

I know most of us still love Mbeki-polokwane exposed that. But let us accept change and appreciate his contribution to the economical stability of our country. Furthermore let us stand behind and support our current state president Cde Kgalema and also Cde Jacob Gedleyihlekisa Zuma to be our next state president come 2009 elections.

Let us also move away from listening to the blue-light revolutionaries( Terror Lekota and others) and give direction/confidence to the current democratically elected leadership.

"We must at all times adapt to leadership changes and not promote dictatorship(like the so-called Mugabe)"

Viva JZ Viva!!!       Viva Motlanthe Viva!!!      Viva Malema Viva!!!

Aluta continua!


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From: sasc...@googlegroups.com on behalf of Diphapang Mofokeng
Sent: Mon 2008/10/20 07:16 PM
To: Ndimba, Xolani X
Cc: Siphiwe Mgandela; loyiso phantshwa; nyoka; Luthando; z.mat...@ru.ac.za; Kholofelo Molatela Thalakgale-Maponya; Awethu Amandla Zumana; Lonwabo Msutwana; 5032...@nmmu.ac.za; 5502...@nmmu.ac.za; ecs...@union.org.za; g08l...@campus.ru.ac.za; g08m...@campus.ru.ac.za; g08m...@campus.ru.ac.za; javas_m...@yahoo.com; kgos...@gmail.com; mzanzi-...@googlegroups.com; rhode...@googlegroups.com; rhodes...@googlegroups.com; run...@webmail.co.za; Mokoena, Zimkhitha (Miss) (s205019749); Sabela, Menzi (Mr) (s20503034); Lehlapa, Kgotsofalang (Mr) (s205051791); sasc...@googlegroups.com; sasc...@googlegroups.com; t_mas...@yahoo.com; wam...@gmail.com; zimkhith...@yahoo.com; Awethu Amandla Zumana; Ayanda Ndinise; Blue Diamond; Brenda; Bubbles; Cyril Ramaphosa; Dyani, Siphumezo (Miss) (s205040349); Eddie Levert; Faxi; Fayol; George Kahn; jacob B.W Yeats mbutana; Joe Sample; Jonas, Branton (Mr) (s203018400); Jonas, Branton (Mr) (s203018400); Kgotsofalang (Mr) (s205051791) Lehlapa; kholosa siphe loni; Lehlapa, Kgotsofalang (Mr) (s205051791); Lerato; Lesailane, Matome (Mr) (s207070569); Lesailane, Matome (Mr) (s207070569); lu...@webmail.co.za; Lungisa, Ayongezwa (Mr) (s20629995); Lungisa, Ayongezwa (Mr) (s20629995); Mani, Siphokazi (Miss) (s204049989); Maphuti Mannya; mkateko lybon mdlhuli; Mmabotswa; Mokoena, Zimkhitha (Miss) (s205019749); Mthetho Blom; Mtsweni, Sifiso (Mr) (s20429560); Mtsweni, Sifiso (Mr) (s20429560); musa glen ndzovela; Mvambi, Njongo (Mr) (s50328921); mzoxolo budaza; Nakani, Melumza (Mr) (s206013051); NMMU George Campus Student Council Chairman; Ntsiko's; Nyondla, Anda (Mr) (s20512807); phetelo-castro zenzile; Poloko Motsoane; Pritchard, Shaun (Mr) (s20517990); Rune, Mawethu (Mr) (s206039981); Saki Macozoma; SASCO BEC; Simphiwe Kanityi; Siphiwe Mgandela; Sol Platjie; Sonwabo Ngqontsha; syanda hypolite ngcobo; thapelo tselapedi; themig...@webmail.co.za; tinyiko mashabane; TSHEPO WICLIFT; wamuwi mbao; Winnie Mandela; xolani nyali; Yonela; Zama; Zana, Vuyani (Mr) (s20432998); zikhona nweba

Subject: Re: The power of Google

I find the article fascinating and mindboggling at best. It is often the case with media and ivory tower politicians like Xolela Mangcu, Sipho Seepe and others to forget some of the defining characteristics of Mbeki's character, legacy and leadership. His desire and emphasis for Africa to define itself both politically, and economically. The desire for Africa to define its future and generate solutions to its own and sometimes unique problems.



HIV/AIDS
People often forget that Mbeki was the first one to question some of the flaws in the strategy by the west to define Africa's future especially on the HIV/AIDS saga. The reality of the matter is, which Mbeki argued against, that America produced ARV's and wanted to ship them to Africa, poor continent, rural and unurbanised, premitive, corrupt, uncivilised,  for testing. How do you allow that to happen? This was a capitalist agenda by the west to create a market for its pharmaceutical companies in especially SA. This in turn would have a domino effect as AIDS kills one's immune system which makes one vulnarable or expose them to other opportunist deseases like TB, flu, and others. It is a domino effect because this market will further create another market for other products or vaccines. Manto was chasticed by Zachie and his donors (American phamaceutical companies) and made a mochery out of our HIV policy. She was potrayed as a vegetarian when no attempt was made to establish the power of beetroot and garlic in terms of vitamins. The reality in SA, with up to 70% level of gini coefficient which measures level of a country's inequality, is that HIV kills mostly those who live below poverty line (live with less than US$1 per day). What the government was trying to do was to place emphasis on healthy lifestyle and living.

On economy

This almost forgotten hero in Thabo was the first sitting president to enjoy the longest sustained economic growth in the whole of Africa. no one has ever done that not even countries that attained independence way before us. When the ANC was preparing to ascend to power in 1994, RDP became its economic policy and an election manifesto. The reality of the matter is, RDP was a highly ambitious economic policy. Ambitious because it forecasted provision of basic services in big numbers when 1, there was no money to do that (The ANC inherited a government deficit of almost 50% of the GDP, which meant that we could not achieve any of the plan in RDP).Despite that, to date the ANC government led by Tbos build 1million houses, which no other country has achieved within a space of 10 years. 2, investor confidence was at its lowest in our country and as such needed a policy that would first build that confidence and then move foward with redistribuiton. RDP was about redistribution when at the time there was nothing to redistribute.



Gear, came into being in 1996. Opposed to the popular view, Gear was discussed extensively by the alliance after it was drafted by university professors. It is not as if it was super imposed without engagement. I will quote what various alliance leaders said about gear to indicate that indeed they engaged it. This is from sunday times of DEC, 12 2007 titled "Gear definitely not a capitalist plot" by Trevor Manuel:



"Gear was tabled in parliament on June 14 1996. Prior to its tabling, on June 9 1996, President Nelson Mandela convened a meeting of leaders of the tripartite alliance at his Johannesburg home to discuss the broad elements of the Gear strategy. Comrade Blade Nzimande led the SA Communist Party delegation and Cosatu's then deputy general secretary, Comrade Zwelinzima Vavi, led the union federation's delegation. The meeting agreed on vital aspects of Gear and agreed to disagree on the fiscal stance.



"On the same day, Cosatu issued a statement through Vavi. The Saturday Star of June 15 1996 reported: "Vavi said the labour movement was pleased to see the incorporation of several points in the plan, including the focus on education, the use of public works programmes, the commitment to infrastructure development, and the linking of tax incentives to job creation schemes.



It is also worth pointing out that the ANC's 1997 Mafikeng conference adopted Gear as its macroeconomic strategy."



Where does this place a popular view that Gear was not discussed and was superimposed?

Be that as it may, Gear attained mixed results and in some way has taken South Africa forward although there are areas where the jury was out. It achieved sound macroeconomic outcomes but failed to attain its developmental outcomes. I

believe that gear set itself up for failure in areas where it failed by emphasising a strong link between Foreign Direct Investment and employment when prospects of that were less. It relied on the private sector for boosting growth when the government should have taken a centre stage. fiscal restraint and debt reduction in the Gear period released resources for public investment... both at present and in the future. This means that present and future generations will have more means at their disposal to utilise for the betterment of the lives of the poor which would otherwise have not been there in the absence of restrictive fiscal policy

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[Diphapang Mofokeng]

I am not sure if i have been subjected to a kangaroo court of some sort. I am not also sure if anyone will be able to silence or censure me on anything i do or say and to say one will have his day is worrying at best. I have nothing to answer to anyone and any communique forwarded has to the best of my knowledge no ulterior motive.