SARA Student & Teacher Grant Program
Tom Crowley
SARA Student & Teacher Grant Program
All, SARA has a grant program that is, sad to say very underutilized. We will provide kits or money to students and teachers including college students to help them with a radio telescope project. SARA can supply any of the following kits:
SuperSID
Scope in a Box
IBT (Itty Bitty Telescope)
Radio Jove kit
Inspire
Sky Scan
We can also provide up to five hundred dollars ($500.00 USD) for an approved radio telescope project. We have on occasion provided more money based on the merits of the project and the SARA Grant Committee approval.
More information on the grant program can be fund at the URL below.
SARA Student and Teacher Project Grants | Society of Amateur Radio Astronomers (radio-astronomy.org)
All that is required is the SARA grant request form be filled out and sent in. If it needs more work for approval we will work wit the student to help insure their success.
Please pass the word that SARA will fund any legitimate radio telescope project any where in the
world.
If you have a question contact me at crowleytj at hotmail dot com or by phone: 1 404 375 5578
Tom Crowley
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Tom Crowley
Paul, good idea, any suggestions?
Tom
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On 4/10/2021 5:45 PM, Tom Crowley wrote:
> SARA Student & Teacher Grant Program
>
> All, SARA has a grant program that is, sad to say very underutilized. We
> will provide kits or money to students and teachers including college
> students to help them with a radio telescope project. SARA can supply
> any of the following kits:
>
> SuperSID
>
> Scope in a Box
>
> IBT (Itty Bitty Telescope)
>
> Radio Jove kit
>
> Inspire
>
> Sky Scan
>
> We can also provide up to five hundred dollars ($500.00 USD) for an
> approved radio telescope project. We have on occasion provided more
> money based on the merits of the project and the SARA Grant Committee
> approval.
>
> More information on the grant program can be fund at the URL below.
>
> SARA Student and Teacher Project Grants | Society of Amateur Radio
> All that is required is the SARA grant request form be filled out and
> sent in. If it needs more work for approval we will work wit the student
> to help insure their success.
>
> Please pass the word that SARA will fund any legitimate radio telescope
> project any where in the
>
> world.
>
> If you have a question contact me at crowleytj at hotmail
> Tom Crowley
>
> SARA Grant Program Administrator
>
>
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Paul, tnx
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Tom Crowley
Looks like the URL for SkyScan is goin. Basically it is using an FM radio to detect meteors, if my memory serves me. Perhaps someone on the list knows what happened.
Tom
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Tom Crowley
Jon, the page on the SARA web site has the verbiage for grants, The grant committee tends to be lenient in awarding grants. That we are more interested in getting kids started, than checking their English.
Tom
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Tom Crowley
Jon, while the main purpose of SARA grants is to promote radio astronomy worldwide by providing grants for teachers and students. We have made exceptions in the past and provide money for astronomy clubs involve din outreach of radio astronomy. As stated earlier, the purpose of grants is to promote radio astronomy for educators and students. If an astronomy group wants to do RA outreach we will certainly entertain that.
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Tom Crowley
Ryan, many schools have clubs and SARA has provided grants to those clubs to start a radio astronomy project. Congrats on receiving your ham license, I received mine at age 13. You can email me directly if you wish and we can discuss projects for your school.
There are several online radio astronomy courses online. Plus great courses has a great intro to radio astronomy by Jay Lockwood of the Green Bank Telescope. If you have enough interest in your school we may be able to help out with courses.
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Larry Mayfield
May I chime in? Seems to me that the first part of trying to get something, anything, started is to do a bit of definition of what is being thought about. Children today are capable of almost anything. But the math needed to do RA is kinda eye watering at times. And kids and probably teachers need to be able to show results that are relatable to today’s world. Optical Astronomy can show you a beautiful photo (thanks Hubble), and they can relate to see a photo and then having the object in the sky pointed out to them. Instant feedback for them. With RA it seems that sometimes months of observations are needed to get sufficient data to show much of anything. Not putting it down, just that RA can be difficult and can be time consuming. Even just building a system and making it work takes a lot of time consuming effort to show results that have some meaning to the students. Battle Bots comes to mind… that has absolutely instant gratification when your gee whiz bang robot can make it for 3 minutes without being stomped to death. Same kind of thing with the First Robotic program that has teams build stuff that has some relationship to aerospace and space exploration. With RA, there is very little wow factor to impress a younger and maybe even older students. Feedback is very slow. Another example is flying model rockets. My kids were wowed by they when they were in jr. hs. Something you could actually build with supervision and then go to a location with others and have flight tests for highest, farthest, smallest, biggest, etc. And it was fun for them. Students are going to want a payoff for their efforts or they will lose interest very rapidly, especially if there are no “likes” for them.
I think it can be done but needs to be able to show something(s) as a reward. I have been planning a move from Pahrump for some time, but as yet have not been able to decide where. I keep looking down in Florida where I could go watch a big rocket launch. I have 5 antenna right now, none working because of latent health issues, but my plan is, even if we are unable to leave the area, is to get all of the antenna going and tracking objects. But I want to involve the local grade and jr high and maybe some seniors in the observatory. Has been my hope for some time., But, my quest is different that 99.987856% (most percentages are made up on the spur of the moment) of the RA list I think. I would want them to see how the systems are built from scratch and what it takes to make it go and then what the rewards are on a timely basis. And then there is what I am seeking… artificial signals from space, not of this earth. I would tell them how I can to decide on what constitutes an intelligent or artificial signal. I would try and tell them and demonstrate the pay of off say, figuring out why radio signals and a wad of math can help determine the cause and effect of stellar events. Like FRBs. Or why pulsars do what they do. The reason for doing something has to be there or nobody will show up after a few short weeks.
In closing: One of the things that has always caused me to laugh out loud sometimes is the notion that we are being visited right now. And were in the past. Maybe so, but, most people who think those things simply do not have a grasp on time and distance and all of the issues involved in space travel. Certainly we will discover improvements in the future and that will lead to greater discoveries. But right now, sometime we struggle just to convince people how far away things are. Take one of the Star Trek, The Next Gen programs: Jean Luk and his crew were flung across the galaxy and they we left unknowing where they were. They did figure out that it was roughly across our galaxy. Now remember that Enterprise can do warp 12, defined as 12x the speed of light (now there is an improvement, lol, thanks to di-lithium crystals) and it was concluded that even at warp 12 it was going to take approximately 12000 years to return home using their tech of 12x. Just convincing people that even though they can think it, does not make it possible or probable.
I think this can be a worthwhile project. But it need to reward the students almost immediately to be viable. There are a lot of you smart guys in SARA who can make this happen (I am not one of them, lol).
Thanks for listening to an old geezer who has been around the block a time or two. No need to tell me that I am full of BS, my wife has that base covered pretty well, lol…
Larry
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Larry, SARA has over the years, maybe 20 or so, watched kids take on RA projects, from Radio Jove, IBT and a few of the other “less math” projects. Back 18 years ago I lent to kids in Canada a short wave receive they built an antenna and won the region science fair. They sent me a pix with their prize.
We had another lad that built a 3 or 4 meter dish and did HI observations. Presented it at the SARA annual meeting There are lots of kids that just need a chance and they will take off.
BTW, in High School I designed a Little Boy, just didn’t have the U235 calculation right😊 That’s why I did final test on the WS133 A&B for Boeing.
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Larry Mayfield
Good old rock solid Minuteman. I joined the Minuteman group in January 1967. Started in Seattle in Sept 1966 on the first 737 production aircraft flight test, Lufthansa. Then I looked at the flight test certification schedule and asked my lead man what that vertical dashed line meant. He said that is when we lay everyone off because FAA cert was done… In a few weeks I was gone to Vandenberg AFB, lol.. I arrived at Vandy during the Cuban Missile crisis. The only Minuteman ICBM on station and duty were there, two I think at the time. I suspect they were “armed”. I stayed with them through Minuteman 2, Minuteman 3, Peacekeeper, SICBM, PKPR Rail Garrison ICBM, And interspersed with a stint at Oakridge doing stuff. Then back to Vandy for another stint and finally to Huntsville, AL for ISS Test Program Manager for dang near everything. I had a modest crew: 220 engineers, scientists and several small rapid prototype shops in my hands. A world class (top 5 on the planet) biochemical lab for testing station products like reclaimed water and low phosphorus soap for a washing machine gong on station (somebody forgot to ask the astronauts if they would wear clothing washed in low phosphorus soap.. Nope, astros told NASA that if the wanted them to have clean clothes, send them up on resupply missions, lol).
Got the critical mass wrong on our LB? Shoulda called Richard Feynman at Cal Tech. He did the amounts for the bombs (of course it was a crew effort but he was a main driver). And I am reminded that a Boy Scout built a reactor out of old smoke detectors! And it worked, got a lot of attention and he had to give it up.
The tenor of this notion to get young people interested in RA seems to be a bit more than casual groupings of students scattered doing RA. When you start talking about textbooks, and college courses, then it is more than just a casual thought by someone. And today’s young people are all about near instant gratification from peers and so forth. So, I think that if RA is to become main stream, it needs some thought put into it. My simple plan (simple mind, eh?) was to get all my gear working and then invite young people to come over and assist and to show who, what, how, when , where and why for all of it. Those interested I could point to willing experts like yourself for additional involvement. I took a lot of math in my college years (all of them) but RA also requires the physics that needs to be understood as well. One of the things that does dishearten me a bit if the seeming lack of research goals by the RA crowd. I am probably just out of the loop, lol. But when I look at things like catching glitches from pulsars I keep asking what is end result of this long term investigation? I never see anyone trying to actually explain the reason for them, only that they occur. Ditto FRB. When I worked for a living (did I really ever do that?) all of my employment had specific things that were being accomplished, never just gathering data for the sake of gathering data. There always had to be a reason we were doing the work, otherwise no contracts with the customers. Customers always wanted something for their money. Pure research doesn’t seem to work that way, lol…
In any case, I have blathered on long enough this morning. I gotta look at Elon’s current activity at Boca Chica to see what he is destroying this week, lol. On Ship SN 11, there was a camera in the engine area and I was watching when sparks began to emit from a turbo pump followed by a conspicuous thermal bloom followed by a rain of spare parts all over the area including off site across the highway. Here is a link to watch in progress activity; Nerdle Cam 4K- SpaceX Starship Launch Facility - YouTube
Fun stuff… he is doing a parallel development on a LMG (liquefied methane gas) and LOX rocket engines along with a flight vehicle at the same time and it ain’t working out so well… reminds me of the old spy in the sky developments back in the cold war days. Test vehicle is the second stage of the Starship and it is 9 meters in diameter by 50 meters tall.
Thanks for listening, if ya do!
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1.) Essential Radio Astronomy, James Condon and Scott Ransom (this one
isn't cheap, unless you compare it to other textbooks):
https://smile.amazon.com/Essential-Astronomy-Princeton-Modern-Observational/dp/069113779X/
2.) An Introduction to Radio Astronomy, Bernard Burke, Francis Graham,
Peter Wilkinson. The current edition is the fourth, but older editions
can save some money here.
https://smile.amazon.com/Introduction-Radio-Astronomy-Bernard-Burke/dp/1107189411/
I have a few others, including two different editions of 'Tools of Radio
Astronomy' and then 'Radio Telescope Reflectors' among others, but those
are more specialized.
But it does really depend upon what sort of radio astronomer you are or
want to be; anyone with a little work can learn the basics of hydrogen
line spectroscopy and do a fun 'find the Milky Way's rotation curves'
experiment with basic equipment that doesn't really need much
calibration. Of course, this is one thing we have been doing at PARI
for nearly twenty years, so perhaps I'm a bit biased towards that
particular area of RA. But PARI isn't the only one who recognizes that
hydrogen line radio astronomy has a relatively low bar to entry these
days: WVU has a fantastic set of resources for just exactly that use:
https://wvurail.org/dspira-lessons/ (simple horn antenna, simple LNA
(although I highly recommend the Radio Astronomy Supplies LNA), simple
SDR (not locked into one particular SDR, either), fully built Raspberry
PI 4 operating system).
See
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pStZsguO3UMrP0FhxJJJPFYdkg-Bp8TG3_zIh8MYHUQ/edit?usp=sharing
for the manual for the Raspberry PI OS portion.
Students find spectroscopy to have more of the 'instant gratification'
sauce, as you can get your first spectrum very easily and with equipment
that the student can put together as a DIY kit. Then if the student
wants to get deeper into RA then there are several paths forward,
including the Radio Astronomy Supplies one. Fun times we live in where
a $35 NeSDR SMArt USB dongle plus some good LNAs plus a homebrew horn
can duplicate that first time HI was observed.
On 4/10/21 8:34 PM, Paul Oxley wrote:
> Tom
>
> I will do some looking. It would be good to have a list of various
> level texts. Some would be for the beginner without any knowledge.
> Some might be for the Ham or others with radio knowledge. Others might
> be for the Astronomers. Etc.
>
> Paul
>
> On Saturday, April 10, 2021, 08:07:52 PM EDT, Tom Crowley
> <crow...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>
> Paul, good idea, any suggestions?
>
> Tom
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> *Sent: *Saturday, April 10, 2021 07:38 PM
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> *Subject: *Re: [SARA] SARA Student & Teacher Grant Program
> Tom
>
> Perhaps, if we add appropriate text books we might get some interest
> for students to build this into a college course or project.
>
> Paul
>
> On Saturday, April 10, 2021, 06:45:08 PM EDT, Tom Crowley
> <crow...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> SARA Student & Teacher Grant Program
>
> All, SARA has a grant program that is, sad to say very underutilized.
> We will provide kits or money to students and teachers including
> college students to help them with a radio telescope project. SARA can
> supply any of the following kits:
>
> SuperSID
>
> Scope in a Box
>
> IBT (Itty Bitty Telescope)
>
> Radio Jove kit
>
> Inspire
>
> Sky Scan
>
> We can also provide up to five hundred dollars ($500.00 USD) for an
> approved radio telescope project. We have on occasion provided more
> money based on the merits of the project and the SARA Grant Committee
> approval.
>
> More information on the grant program can be fund at the URL below.
>
> SARA Student and Teacher Project Grants | Society of Amateur Radio
> Astronomers (radio-astronomy.org)
> All that is required is the SARA grant request form be filled out and
> sent in. If it needs more work for approval we will work wit the
> student to help insure their success.
>
> Please pass the word that SARA will fund any legitimate radio
> telescope project any where in the
>
> world.
>
> If you have a question contact me at crowleytj at hotmail
> Tom Crowley
>
> SARA Grant Program Administrator
>
>
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I applaud your efforts; by making the equipment available those students
who don't have access to the complex and expensive tools of radio
astronomy can have a great educational experience.
That is what drives our internet-connected and remote-controlled radio
telescopes; we have both a 4.6 meter and a 12.2 meter that are available
online for students and teachers to use; the 4.6 meter is in the midst
of an upgrade right now, and the 12.2 meter's spectrometer setup is
being repaired this coming week, but these instruments get pretty steady
use when they're online. Both are outfitted with RAS SpectraCyber
spectrometers controlled with our in-house developed backend and driven
through the web interface, with live webcam feeds and live control.
It's a pretty shallow learning curve, too.
The next step up in complexity is the WVU program, where the student
builds their own instrument and gathers their own data with the
Raspberry PI setup WVU has put together. This project is more akin to
the Radio Jove project (we've had success in the past with programs
built around a week-long camp where the students build their own kits
while staying on-campus) than what we do with the 4.6 meter and 12.2
meter. There is a definite satisfaction to be had helping a student
work through the construction and get first light themselves.
When giving the intro tour here, the two biggest draws for students,
especially upper elementary grades through lower high school grades, has
been getting to physically 'move the dish' when has a coolness factor,
and viewing the amazing HI4PI all-sky survey images from 2016 (
https://www.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de/pressreleases/2016/13 ). While I'll echo
that today's teens tend to have an instant-gratification complex, RA is
one of the few ways a 'good things come to those who wait' patience can
be nurtured, and the HI4PI all-sky image is one of the ways to show how
good those patiently-acquired things can be.
On 4/12/21 9:56 AM, Larry Mayfield wrote:
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> The tenor of this notion to get young people interested in RA seems to
> be a bit more than casual groupings of students scattered doing RA.
> When you start talking about textbooks, and college courses, then it
> is more than just a casual thought by someone. And today’s young
> people are all about near instant gratification from peers and so
> forth. So, I think that if RA is to become main stream, it needs some