Digital Library of India
Arvind_Kolhatkar
Hnbhat B.R.
There are recent versions of DLI Downloaders which need updated versions of Java schipt.Sun,without which it does not work.I have not recently tried any download.
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www.lalitaalaalitah.com
shankara
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From: Arvind_Kolhatkar <kolhat...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, 10 November 2014 7:34 PM
Subject: [Samskrita] Digital Library of India
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Ajit Gargeshwari
Ajit Gargeshwari
न जायते म्रियते वा कदाचिन्नायं भूत्वा भविता वा न भूयः।
अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं पुराणो न हन्यते हन्यमाने शरीरे।।2.20।।
श्रीमल्ललितालालितः
It is still working and I've more than 7000 books from DLI only. I'm very happy with DLI provided this software is with me.
Shrivathsa B
I don't think Mr. Gargeshwari read svaami's post correctly. He didn't mean to say that dli has given the downloader. Secondly, there is no bar on the number of books one can download from the site.
My experience with dli has been exasperating too. I had written the following sometime ago in another forum and it still stands:
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The actual problem in the DLI is not so much about downloading images. downloading images can be done in various ways (i use orbit downloader). But the criminality of their work has been:
total callousness in naming books: There has been no naming standard. R^igveda has been named as Rigveda, Rgveda, Rugveda etc. Not limited to names of works, it extends to names of people as well.
not allowing google to index but having their own search. Their whole interface sucks!!!No plan in scanning: Multi volume books have different versions and some volumes are missing Eg. in the Vedic Concordance (12 vols) of Vasubandhu, i was able to locate at least two copies of 3 volumes each, the other volumes are missing. Some scans are truncated at the top, bottom, right, left (this was in earlier scans, the later scans seem ok).Some scans are unnecessarily large (some individual pages containing only text are larger than 200k).
Another instance of tax-payers money gone down the drain. Any high-school student team would have done a better job.
Ajit Gargeshwari
Ajit Gargeshwari
न जायते म्रियते वा कदाचिन्नायं भूत्वा भविता वा न भूयः।
अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं पुराणो न हन्यते हन्यमाने शरीरे।।2.20।।
Crbala Subramanian
Shrivathsa B
Mr. Gargeshwari,
"provided" means things such as "in case", "on the condition". Its usage is common in sentences such as :
"I will come provided there are tickets available".
Which means "I will come in case there are tickets available". Or "I will come on the condition that tickets are available".
So indeed you have failed to understand a well cast sentence. What svaami's second sentence means is "I'm very happy with DLI in case this software is with me." (Note: "provided" replaced with "in case"). I have been reading svaami for some time now and I haven't seen him make mistakes of the sort that you seek to impute.
If a meaning such as the one you have imputed to the sentence is to be extracted, the sentence would have to be non-grammatic.
You may benefit from the link below
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Provided%20?s=t
I am willing to give you many more examples but will stop here for the fear of making this forum an aa~Ngla sandesha shreNiH. But to whatever extent this mail was helpful, I will be happy.
Ajit Gargeshwari
Ajit Gargeshwari
न जायते म्रियते वा कदाचिन्नायं भूत्वा भविता वा न भूयः।
अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं पुराणो न हन्यते हन्यमाने शरीरे।।2.20।।
Shrivathsa B
I don't have the mind-reading capabilities of yours but can see that the svaami indeed explained his response in the light of your post, something which you not only ignored, but claimed to understand the previous post on the grounds of it being written in English. The least you could have done is to retract the claim that you understood his post well. At least when it was demonstrated to you that you misunderstood.
I am not in the habit of giving uninvited and free suggestions. Else, I would have asked you to take a few deep breaths before you click the send button, a hundred more before composing a mail and a thousand more while reading mails written by others.
Ajit Gargeshwari
One last post. For me this topic is closed
You may not be aware DLI downloader is an illegal Software. As Per law one must not do automatic downloads from any web site including Batch downloads without the written permission of the website owner in this case it DLI or Goverment of India. So publicly saying I have downloaded 7000 books does not sound correct. 7000 books means around 2.1 million pages or of tif images considering a book has an average 300 images. I think and I write
Ajit Gargeshwari
न जायते म्रियते वा कदाचिन्नायं भूत्वा भविता वा न भूयः।
अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं पुराणो न हन्यते हन्यमाने शरीरे।।2.20।।
Shrivathsa B
So now the goal post shifts from English to legality. No word of acknowledgement that you had indeed misunderstood svaami. You seem (until proven otherwise) wrong even here (the legality scare).
The FAQ section of DLI has nothing about multiple downloads being illegal. Secondly, all the books in dli are out of copyright. If anyone makes a claim, such a book will be taken down by dli authorities.
I think you are fighting phantoms. Even if one were to download 200 million pages, according to the terms available on the site, it is not illegal.
We will be very grateful if you were to send us the exact clause of the copyright act or any other act / law which makes multiple downloads from dli illegal. Until then, pl stop scaremongering.
Ajit Gargeshwari
Ajit Gargeshwari
न जायते म्रियते वा कदाचिन्नायं भूत्वा भविता वा न भूयः।
अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं पुराणो न हन्यते हन्यमाने शरीरे।।2.20।।
Shrivathsa B
There is no such fair use policy delineated on the site. It is you who has to disabuse yourself of the pretensions of being a legal expert. If you don't have a legal document to back up your claim that downloading 7000 books over a period of several years violates the fair use policy, please stop claiming so. Let me advise you here (a la your advice to me) to stop being a spokesman for DLI. I am sure they have paid people who do it.
I acknowledge your second claim on a mail being the last post from you. If you make unsubstantiated claims, I will write again.
Your scaremongering is unfounded and your lack of acknowledgment of your misunderstanding even when proved beyond doubt is in bad taste.
Arvind_Kolhatkar
Ajit Gargeshwari
Ajit Gargeshwari
न जायते म्रियते वा कदाचिन्नायं भूत्वा भविता वा न भूयः।
अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं पुराणो न हन्यते हन्यमाने शरीरे।।2.20।।
Shrivathsa B
It is quite amusing to see the goals change from "don't download 2.1 million pages" to "don't go against fair use" to "don't misuse" all based on imaginary fears of legality. All baseless and scaremongering claims.
The reason one saw the copyright notice and FAQ section was to confirm whether the fears were well founded. Turns out that they weren't. One is at a loss to understand the a priori assumption that the poor vidvaan going to DLI is out to misuse it.
Sir, please go ahead and use the DLI in any which way you want. It is a repository of out of copyright books set up with my and your money. Specially use the DLI downloader, a splendid software.
yajva
DLI intermittently goes out of order; it was - just a couple of days ago; frustrating indeed.
DLI has multiple sites
http://202.41.82.144/
http://www.dli.gov.in
http://www.new1.dli.ernet.in/
http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/
http://www.dli.ernet.in
fastest to not-so-fast in that order (in my experience)
If a book is not accessible in one site (responses like "Access denied:, "You have no permission", "page not found" etc), it may well be available in another. You need to try with alternate sites.
For downloading multiple pages, the easiest way would be to use the Free Download Manager (FDM) (http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/), Install the s/w
Assuming you have Firefox browser
- Open any page of the book you want to download
- Right click on the page and click "Copy Image Location" (If a FDM widow pop's up at this moment, just close it), Also note the number of pages (NP) shown at the bottom of page.
- Open FDM's widow by left-clicking on FDM's ICON in systray
- Click Downloads->Create batch download
- Paste the page's URL; some thing like http://www.dli.gov.in/data/upload/0047/752/PTIFF/00000004.tif. Change the page no to (*). The edited URL will look http://www.dli.gov.in/data/upload/0047/752/PTIFF/(*).tif
- In the "Set Of Numbers" set the value to 1-NPw8 eg. 1-522w8 - (means, the * above, takes values from 1 to 522, the width of page numbers will be 8; page 1 will be 00000001, page 522 will be 0000522
- Set the o/p directory "Save to Folder" to your choice
- Press OK
That's it.
Get back if any more clarifications are required.
Regards
Venkatesh
On Monday, November 10, 2014 7:34:22 PM UTC+5:30, Arvind_Kolhatkar wrote:
Dear Friends,I have been a regular user of several digital libraries, such as archive.org, scribd.com, DLI etc. Among these three, I find that archive.org is the easiest to use and the most user-friendly. I
I would be very thankful for suggestions tips about how to use these above-mentioned softwares, in case I am missing someting. Let me also state that I am not very tech-savvy as computers came into my life very late.Arvind Kolhatkar.
Subbaiah BV
(Btw, there's no legal issue / nor fair usage policy.. We can download as many books as we wish. If I'm refreshing their webpages / downloading their documents - just for fun, just with the intention of increasing the load on their servers - Then, I'm misusing it. But, I feel, none of the members in this group are doing that. We have all joined this group with an interest to learn something new. Anyway, we can leave this discussion here. The main problem is with the DLI servers).
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