Spelling question - internal anusvara

[Harry Spier]

Dear list members,

Monier-Williams dictionary has some compound words with an anusvara  within the word.  For example:  भुजंग .  Apte`s dictionary spells it the same way. Is it equally correct to spell this भुजङ्ग .  Do the classical grammarians say anything about this.

Thanks,

Harry Spier

[Vishvas Vasuki]

https://ashtadhyayi.github.io/suutra/8.4/8.4.59/ 

[RAMA NARAYANAN]

Pranam to all!

          Both are correct. but, the chandas (meters) will vary as the earlier one is treated as 3 letters (trustub chandas) and the otherform is treated as 4 letters.(anushtub chandas) .

Seva mem samarpith, 

Rama narayanan. 

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[Harry Spier]

Dear list members,

I didn't phrase my question very well.  What I was trying to ask was:

Normally when you form a compound , all the members of the compound are in their stem form except the last member which has a case ending.  But there are a few compounds where a prior member in the compound also has a case ending. An example of which is  भुजंग =  भुजं + ग (where  भुजं has a case ending). 

1)Do the sanskrit grammarians say anything about  (or even mention) compounds where a prior member in the compound has a case ending?

2)  And in those cases (where the prior member has a case ending) is the sandhi just the normal sandhi between padas?

Thanks,

Harry Spier

[P D]

Harry,

this is called 
अलुक समासः
उदाहरणानि

1. युधिष्ठिरः
2. वाचस्पतिः
3. अन्तेवासी
4. खेचरः
5. अग्रेगः
6. अकस्मात्
7. अपांपतिः

HTH
Paresh

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[P D]

Harry,
Sorry,
I sent the incomplete answer.
अलुक् समासः is not a different category of समासः, where पूर्वपदः case endings are not deleted, there in common terminology this term is used.
वनेचरः – उपपदसमासः
जनुषान्धः – तृतीया तत्पुरुषसमासः
आत्मनेपदम् – चतुर्थातत्पुरुषसमासः
युधुष्ठिरः – सप्तमीतत्पुरुषसमासः
कण्ठेकालः – बहुव्रीहिसमासः
देवानांप्रियः – षष्ठीतत्पुरुषसमासः
I know, This still does not cover भुजङ्गः sending a separate email for that.
Consider the word प्रियंवद - प्रियं वदति इति, here the अनुस्वारः is due to मुमागमः and not because of अलुक् of second case.
to be continued...

Paresh

From: Harry Spier <vasisht...@gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 02:56:06
To: sams...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Samskrita] Spelling question - internal anusvara
 

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[P D]

Harry,
Namaste,

As stated in below email,
प्रियंवदः – प्रियं वदति इति denotes the doer of the Action of Speaking it is a कृदन्तः with खच् प्रत्ययः
पा. सूत्रम् – 3.2.38 प्रियवशे वदः खच्
काशिका - प्रिय वश इत्येतयोः कर्मणोः उपपदयोः वदेः धातोः खच् प्रत्ययो भवति। प्रियं वदतीति प्रियंवदः। वशंवदः। खकारो मुमर्थः(6.3.67)। प्रत्ययान्तरकरणमुत्तरार्थम्। खच्प्रकरणे गमेः सुप्युपसङ्ख्यानम्। मितङ्गमो हस्ती। मितङ्गमा हस्तिनी। विहायसो विह च। विहायसा गच्छति विहङ्गमः। खच्च डिद्वा वक्तव्यः। विहङ्गः, विहङ्गमः। डे च विहायसो विहादेशो वक्तव्यः। विहगः।
सिद्धान्तकैमुदी - प्रियंवदः । वशंवदः ॥गमेः सुपि वाच्यः (वार्तिकम्) ॥ असंज्ञार्थमिदम् । मितङ्गमो हस्ती ।विहायसो विह इति वाच्यम् (वार्तिकम्) ।खच्च डिद्वा वाच्यः (वार्तिकम्) ॥ विहंगमः । विहङ्गः । भुजङ्गमः । भुजङ्गः ॥

Hope this helps,
With Regards,
Paresh

[विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki)]

On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 at 02:56, Harry Spier <vasisht...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear list members,

I didn't phrase my question very well.  What I was trying to ask was:

Normally when you form a compound , all the members of the compound are in their stem form except the last member which has a case ending.  But there are a few compounds where a prior member in the compound also has a case ending. An example of which is  भुजंग =  भुजं + ग (where  भुजं has a case ending). 

1)Do the sanskrit grammarians say anything about  (or even mention) compounds where a prior member in the compound has a case ending?

https://ashtadhyayi.github.io/suutra/6.3/6.3.1/

 

2)  And in those cases (where the prior member has a case ending) is the sandhi just the normal sandhi between padas?

Thanks,

Harry Spier

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 9:18 PM Harry Spier <vasisht...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear list members,

Monier-Williams dictionary has some compound words with an anusvara  within the word.  For example:  भुजंग .  Apte`s dictionary spells it the same way. Is it equally correct to spell this भुजङ्ग .  Do the classical grammarians say anything about this.

Thanks,

Harry Spier

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[N M]

Curious why can't it be भुज् + अङ्ग:?

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022, 11:26 AM Harry Spier <vasisht...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear list members,

I didn't phrase my question very well.  What I was trying to ask was:

Normally when you form a compound , all the members of the compound are in their stem form except the last member which has a case ending.  But there are a few compounds where a prior member in the compound also has a case ending. An example of which is  भुजंग =  भुजं + ग (where  भुजं has a case ending). 

1)Do the sanskrit grammarians say anything about  (or even mention) compounds where a prior member in the compound has a case ending?

2)  And in those cases (where the prior member has a case ending) is the sandhi just the normal sandhi between padas?

Thanks,

Harry Spier

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 9:18 PM Harry Spier <vasisht...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear list members,

Monier-Williams dictionary has some compound words with an anusvara  within the word.  For example:  भुजंग .  Apte`s dictionary spells it the same way. Is it equally correct to spell this भुजङ्ग .  Do the classical grammarians say anything about this.

Thanks,

Harry Spier

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On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 at 07:24, P D <jup...@rediffmail.com> wrote:

In my opinion, there is no application of अलुक् here.

गम् धातोः सुबन्ते उपपदे खच् प्रत्ययः भवति
भुजं गच्छति सः - भुज् + गम् + खच् → भुजङ्गमः (सर्पः)
भुजम् + गम् + खच्
भुज (2.4.71 इति विभक्तिलोपः) + मुम्(6.3.67 अरुर्द्विषदजन्तस्य मुम् अत्र अजन्तस्य) + गम् + अ
भुज + म् (अनुबन्धलोपे) + गम् + अ
भुजंगम (8.3.23)
भुजङ्गम (8.4.58)
अग्रे सुबन्तप्रक्रियाः

तथा च

गम् धातोः विहितः खच् प्रत्ययः कुत्रचित् विकल्पेन डित् भवति, प्रत्ययस्य डित्वात् टिलोपः कृत्वा
भुजं गच्छति सः - भुज् + गम् + खच् (डित्) → भुजङ्गः
भुजम् + गम् + खच्
भुज (2.4.71 इति विभक्तिलोपः) + मुम्(6.3.67 अरुर्द्विषदजन्तस्य मुम् अत्र अजन्तस्य) + गम् + अ
भुज + म् (अनुबन्धलोपे) + ग् अम् (6.4.143 टेः इति विकल्पेन डित्वात् टिलोपः) + अ 
भुजंग (8.3.23)
भुजङ्ग (8.4.58)
अग्रे सुबन्तप्रक्रियाः

धन्योऽस्मि। स्पष्टम् अनेन ।

 

Please also see Explanation by Shru S.C. Vasu and सिद्धान्तकौमुदी in 3.2.38
https://ashtadhyayi.com/sutraani/3/2/38

Regards,
Paresh

From: (Vishvas Vasuki) <vishvas...@gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 07:00:29
To: P D <jup...@rediffmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Samskrita] Spelling question - internal anusvara
 

 

 

On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 at 06:47, P D <jup...@rediffmail.com> wrote:

Vishvas mahodaya, Namaste, I think, in the original question about भूजङ्ग the अनुस्वारः is due to मुमागमः because of खच् प्रत्ययः (3.2.38 इत्यत्र वार्तिकम् गमेः सुपि वाच्यः) and not due to द्वितीयायाः अलुक् 1. गम् धातोः सुबन्ते उपपदे खच् प्रत्ययः भवति भुजं गच्छति सः - भुज् + गम् + खच् → भुजङ्गमः (सर्पः) 2. गम् धातोः विहितः खच् प्रत्ययः कुत्रचित् विकल्पेन डित् भवति, प्रत्ययस्य डित्वात् टिलोपः कृत्वा भुजं गच्छति सः - भुज् + गम् + खच् (डित्) → भुजङ्गः Regards, Paresh

 

भुजं + गम् + खच् → भुजं  + गम् + अ → भुजं +  गम  (भवदुक्ताद् वार्त्तिकात्)

 

अनेनालुक् कथमिति नोच्यते। 

 

"In the Vartikas above given, the affix खच् may optionally be considered as if it had an indicatory ड. The force of ड is to cause elision of the final vowel with what follows it. As विहङ्गः or विहङ्गमः 'a bird'. So also भुजङ्गमः or भुजङ्गः 'a serpent' (what goes crookedly)." इति वासुः स्पष्टीकरोति - https://ashtadhyayi.github.io/suutra/3.2/3.2.38/ । 

 

डितो न भवतीति मन्ये ऽलुक् । 

तेन सूत्रान्तरम् आश्रयणीयं स्यात्।

मया त्व् अलुक्प्रकरणं जिज्ञासते दर्शितम्।

 

 

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On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 at 02:56, Harry Spier <vasisht...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear list members,

I didn't phrase my question very well.  What I was trying to ask was:

Normally when you form a compound , all the members of the compound are in their stem form except the last member which has a case ending.  But there are a few compounds where a prior member in the compound also has a case ending. An example of which is  भुजंग =  भुजं + ग (where  भुजं has a case ending). 

 

1)Do the sanskrit grammarians say anything about  (or even mention) compounds where a prior member in the compound has a case ending?

 

https://ashtadhyayi.github.io/suutra/6.3/6.3.1/

 

2)  And in those cases (where the prior member has a case ending) is the sandhi just the normal sandhi between padas?

 

 

 

Thanks,

Harry Spier

 

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 9:18 PM Harry Spier <vasisht...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear list members,

 

Monier-Williams dictionary has some compound words with an anusvara  within the word.  For example:  भुजंग .  Apte`s dictionary spells it the same way. Is it equally correct to spell this भुजङ्ग .  Do the classical grammarians say anything about this.

 

Thanks,

Harry Spier

 

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On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 at 07:49, N M <naresh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Curious why can't it be भुज् + अङ्ग:?

or why not भु + जङ्ग :-) Depends on semantics/ विवक्षा

 

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