बृहत्साम

[valerio virgini]

Dear Members

In the Bhagavadgītā 10.35, Kṛṣṇa speaks of the बृहत्साम mantra of Sāma-veda.
Does anyone know precisely what this mantra is?
Can you possibly indicate Sanskrit text?
Some commentators state that it is 1,235 of the Sama-veda.
Are there any other opinions?

thanks

valerio

[Sunder Hattangadi]

Att. file has extracts for the word from  8 commentaries, and a list of 11 more commentaries from which similar extracts can be made. 

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[valerio virgini]

Thanks Sunder Ji

The comments of the भगवद्गीता will be very precious to me.
I have seen that mantra बृहत्साम begins with  (or contains) त्वामिन्द्र हवामहे, but I can not find it in सामवेद.
Do you know which mantra it is?

Thanks again

valerio

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[Taff Rivers]

Valerio,

   Are you looking for a mantra or verses?

The mantra is Om.

 

But then you say that it 'begins with  (or contains) tvāmindra havāmahe', which implies verses.

If that case you will find those words here, but not in sequence:  http://titus.uni-frankfurt.de/texte/etcs/ind/aind/ved/sv/svk/svk.htm

This is 1.1235, but search for tvāmindra and havāmahe as well.

 pavasva deva āyuṣagindraṃ gaccʰatu te madaḥ

 vāyumā roha dʰarmaṇā 1235 

Best wishes,

Taff_Rivers

TITUS 
Text collection: SV  
Sāma-Veda 
Text: SVK  
Sāma-Veda-Saṃhitā 

Kauthuma-Śākhā 

edited by Anshuman Pandey 
apa...@u.washington.edu 
11 January 1999; 

TITUS version by Jost Gippert, 
Frankfurt a.M., 21.10.1999 / 1.6.2000 / 7.12.2008 

[Ravi Kiran Muddha]

The best commentary that I have ever read on Bhagavadgita is from "God Talks with Arjuna" written by Sri Sri Paramahansa Yogananda who is also the author of "Autobiography of a Yogi."

Best regards,

Ravikiran

[Sunder Hattangadi]

https://ia800107.us.archive.org/27/items/BhagavadGitaGodTalksWithArjunaRoyalScienceOfGodRealizationParamahansaYoganandaVol12/Bhagavad%20Gita%2C%20God%20Talks%20With%20Arjuna%20Royal%20Science%20of%20God%20Realization%20Paramahansa%20Yogananda%20Vol%201%26%202.pdf    pp. 804  &  783

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[Sunder Hattangadi]

The spin-off of researching the word / phrase led to some unexpected findings.

1. tvAmindra havAmahe   is not in Bloomfield's Vedic Concordance.

2. Instead the phrase is: tvAmiddhi havAmahe, mentioned also in 4 other commentaries .

3. Bloomfield V.C.

4. Monier-Williams Dictionary- Samans in brihati meter.

5. Chandogya Upanishad 2:14 does not have the phrase, but the definition:

http://www.hinduwebsite.com/sacredscripts/hinduism/upanishads/chandogya.asp

FOURTEENTH KHANDA.

1. Rising, the sun is the hinkara, risen, he is the prastava, at noon he is the udgitha, in the afternoon he is the pratihara, setting, he is the nidhana. That is the Brihat Saman as interwoven in the sun.

2. He who thus knows the Brihat as interwoven in the sun, becomes refulgent and strong, he reaches the full life, he lives long, becomes great with children and cattle, great by fame. His rule is, 'Never complain of the heat of the sun.'

udyanhiMkAra uditaH  prastAvo madhyaMdina udgItho.aparAhNaH

pratihAro.astaM yannidhanametadbR^ihadAditye protam.h || 2\.14\.1||

sa ya evametadbR^ihadAditye protaM veda tejasvyannAdo

bhavati sarvamAyureti jyogjIvati mahAnprajayA

pashubhirbhavati mahAnkIrtyA tapantaM na nindettadvratam.h

|| 2\.14\.2|

6. Other references:

Holy Upanishads: Chhandogya Upanishad: Part 2

Holy Upanishads: Chhandogya Upanishad: Part 2

Chapter XIV - Meditation on the Brihat Saman

1

The rising of the sun is the syllable Him; the risen sun is the Prastava; the midday sun is the Udgitha; the afternoon sun is Pratihara; the setting sun is the Nidhana. This is the Brihat Saman as interwoven in the sun.

2

He who thus knows the Brihat Saman as interwoven in the becomes radiant and endowed with a good appetite; he reaches the full length of life, lives brightly, becomes great in children and cattle, great in fame. For him the injunction is: "Do not decry the burning sun."

7. http://greenmesg.org/sadhana/meditations_from_chandogya_upanishad.php

One should meditate on the Brihat Saman woven in Aditya - from Chandogya Upanishad 2.14:

 Hermitage in Forest- Summary: One should meditate on the Brihat Saman woven in Aditya (Sun)

1. Udyan (Rising Sun) is Him-kara

2. Udita (Risen Sun) is Prastava

3. Madhyandina (Midday Sun) is Udgitha

4. Aparahna (Afternoon Sun) is Pratihara

5. Astam (Setting Sun) is Nidhana

One who knows the Brihat Saman woven in Aditya becomes Tejaswi (Refulgent) and lives a glorious and prosperous life. 

8.https://sanskritdocuments.org/doc_veda/Samved_Unicode_1875.pdf         has     tvAmiddhi.........

 

9. 

CHANDOGYA UPNISAD, BRIHAT SAMA

CHANDOGYA UPNISAD, BRIHAT SAMA CHANDOGYA UPNISAD, BRIHAT SAMA - T8- The Chandogya Upanishad (Devanagri: छान्दोग्य उपनिषद्) is one of the "prim...

lists different sAman names .

[valerio virgini]

Dea Eddie

Somewhere I had read that in the Vedas the verses are called mantra.
Yes, I am trying to understand in which verse the phrase indicated by the commentators is present.

Dear Sunder

Thanks for the very in-depth research.
It is true, other commentators refer to the बृहत्साम citing the phrase त्वामिद्धि, but some त्वामिन्द्र हवामहे

Is it possible that in the past there were other versions of सामवेद?

thanks

valerio

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[Sunder Hattangadi]

Only 3 of >1000 recensions of Sama Veda are extanṭ.

 (similarly,only 2 of Rig-,  5 of Yajus-, and some of Atharva- ) 

Total of ~1180, only ~200 upanishads have surviveḍ, 1 upanishad for each recension .

On Monday, June 4, 2018, 4:56:25 AM CDT, valerio virgini <valerio...@gmail.com> wrote:

It is true, other commentators refer to the बृहत्साम citing the phrase त्वामिद्धि, but some त्वामिन्द्र हवामहे 

Is it possible that in the past there were other versions of सामवेद?

thanks

valerio

ut.

[Taff Rivers]

Valerio,

  There appear to be a number of individual renderings of the Sāma-veda.

in the  http://titus.uni-frankfurt.de/texte/etcs/ind/aind/ved/sv/svk/svk.htm  version 

Verse 1.235 (not 1235, as given earlier), reads as follows: 

  abʰi pra vaḥ surādʰasamindramarca yatʰā vide \ 

  yo jaritr̥bʰyo magʰavā purūvasuḥ sahasreṇeva śikṣati \\ 235 

The transliteration looks a bit strange, but it is as rendered on that web site.

Once at that site, navigating is a bit tricky, but use the panels on the right:

      Top:    (Arcika  1)

Bottom:    Prapathaka  3

Press lookup

and scroll down to reach 235.

And read around the verse.

You can also search for individual words (in their various formats!) throughout the entire Titus Sāma-veda,

for the hymn that best appeals to you.

Good hunting.

Taff_Rivers

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[Ryan Armstrong]

नमस्कार

I hope that I have not missed the point here, but I do not believe that the Chandogya verses you refer to (2.14) are referring to a portion of the Sama, but rather to the Sama as a whole.

The whole of Book 2 of the Chandogya is a eulogy to साम वेद.

From section 11, the meditations are on the five-fold Sama.

My understanding is that the 5 parts are a paradigm which is then applied to various aspects of life.

In this case, the movement of the sun.

Others apply to, for instance, the falling of rain, the structure of flesh, procreation etc.

After each, a different adjective is used to describe the Sama when applied to these different areas of life using the five-fold paradigm.

So for the rains, Sama is denoted as वैरूप, for flesh यज्ञायज्ञीय, for procreation वामदेव्य and so on.

So here बृहत् does not refer to specific verse or section, but rather the whole of the Sama when meditated upon as the movement of the sun.

Such is my understanding, but this is inferred only and I (sadly) cannot name a guru or aacharya who has taught this to me as such.

So if this is not correct I would be eternally grateful for someone to point out the error in the understanding so that it may be corrected.

Kind Regards

Ryan

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[Sunder Hattangadi]

The samans that are sung in brihati meter comprise the brihatsama.

They all are prayers to Indra to attain liberation

The esoteric significance is explained in:

http://rsvidyapeetha.ac.in/sansknet/general/ourheritage/vedicheritage.htm

(by the renowned Vedic scholar, [late] Pandit Satwalekar)

The discussion of sama veda on sound, chanting and music is available at:

https://sanskritdocuments.org/sites/prkannan/Sama%20Veda-%20An%20Introduction.pdf

Sama Veda Kashyap R. L. SAKSI : nindi punj : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Sama Veda Kashyap R. L. SAKSI : nindi p...

 

On Monday, June 4, 2018, 2:58:46 PM CDT, Ryan Armstrong <rya...@gmail.com> wrote:

नमस्कार

I hope that I have not missed the point here, but I do not believe that the Chandogya verses you refer to (2.14) are referring to a portion of the Sama, but rather to the Sama as a whole.

The whole of Book 2 of the Chandogya is a eulogy to साम वेद.

From section 11, the meditations are on the five-fold Sama.

My understanding is that the 5 parts are a paradigm which is then applied to various aspects of life.

In this case, the movement of the sun.

Others apply to, for instance, the falling of rain, the structure of flesh, procreation etc.

After each, a different adjective is used to describe the Sama when applied to these different areas of life using the five-fold paradigm.

So for the rains, Sama is denoted as वैरूप, for flesh यज्ञायज्ञीय, for procreation वामदेव्य and so on.

So here बृहत् does not refer to specific verse or section, but rather the whole of the Sama when meditated upon as the movement of the sun.

Such is my understanding, but this is inferred only and I (sadly) cannot name a guru or aacharya who has taught this to me as such.

So if this is not correct I would be eternally grateful for someone to point out the error in the understanding so that it may be corrected.

Kind Regards

Ryan

1. tvAmindra havAmahe   is not in Bloomfield's Vedic Concordance.

2. Instead the phrase is: tvAmiddhi havAmahe, mentioned also in 4 other commentaries .

3. Bloomfield V.C.

4. Monier-Williams Dictionary- Samans in brihati meter.

5. Chandogya Upanishad 2:14 does not have the phrase, but the definition:

http://www.hinduwebsite.com/ sacredscripts/hinduism/ upanishads/chandogya.asp

6. Other references:

Holy Upanishads: Chhandogya Upanishad: Part 2

Holy Upanishads: Chhandogya Upanishad: Part 2

Chapter XIV - Meditation on the Brihat Saman

7. http://greenmesg.org/ sadhana/meditations_from_ chandogya_upanishad.php

One should meditate on the Brihat Saman woven in Aditya - from Chandogya Upanishad 2.14:

8.https://sanskritdocuments. org/doc_veda/Samved_Unicode_ 1875.pdf         has     tvAmiddhi.........

 

9. 

CHANDOGYA UPNISAD, BRIHAT SAMA

[Ryan Armstrong]

Dear Sunder Hattangadi ji

Many thanks for these links and explanation.

A cursory glance has shown the depth and beauty of the Vedic Scriptures and also the dangers of assumption.

I shall study these with devotion.

धन्यवाद

Ryan

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