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Is it the same for prose/commentaries meanings or different.

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    "P.K.Ramakrishnan" <peek...@yahoo.com> Apr 30 05:43PM +0530 ^
     
    In Sanskrit literature the language is classified into three types according to the difficulty in  finding the meaning - draakshaapaakam, kadaliipaakam, and nalikerapaakam.
     
    The first applies to those of which the meaning can be grasped without effort in the same way the grape can be consumed as it is.
     
    The second is like eating the plantain - just remove the skin and eat. A little effort but not
    much.
     
    The third is very difficult like taking the contents of a coconut. It has two hard covers - the first the fibrous one and the second the hard shell. Removing these is a difficult process.
     
    I have not come across any authority describing these facts.  But I can point out poetical compositions where these are manifest.
     
    Kalidasas's compositions can be called draakshaapaaka.
     
    Bhartrihari's compositions may be called kadaliipaaka.
     
    Bharavi's Kirataarjuniiya would come  under the third viz. naalikerapaaka.
     
    I was recently listening to the audio of Mallinatha's commentary on Kiratarjuniyam.  In his introduction he says he is trying to break the coconut and presenting the substance to panditas.
     
    There are many members in this group who are more knowledgeable and I would like to hear their views.
     
     
    -----------------------------------
    P.K.Ramakrishnan
    http://peekayar.blogspot.com

     

    Sunder Hattangadi <sun...@yahoo.com> Apr 30 07:51AM -0700 ^
     
    Thanks for sharing the delightful classification!
     
    Here is another look:
     
    ".......For example, songs and literary works are classified in five groups based on how they are formulated and how easy they are to comprehend, namely as - Narikelapaka, Ikshupakam, Kadalipakam, Drakshapaka and Ksheerapakam (6). The form most difficult to comprehend is the Narikelapakam - it is like a coconut; to be eaten, the shell must be broken, the fruit grated and then mixed with food. Ikshupakam, is the sugarcane form - which has to be crushed to extract the juice. Next is the Kadalipakam, the banana form which has to be just peeled to be eaten. Easier still is the Drakshapakam - grape form which can be eaten without any processing, and the easiest of all is the Ksheerapakam or the milk form which can not only be easily consumed, but also is a wholesome food for all ages and people in all conditions.
     
    In a similar vein in Sanskrit the literary compositions are classified into three groups: Prabhu samhita, Suhrut Samhita and Kantha Samhita (7). Prabhu Samhita instructs like a Prabhu or master who punishes when rules are transgressed (eg. Instructions such as in the Vedas), Suhrit Samhita instructs like a friend who advises on what to do and what not to do (eg. Like the Puranas), and Kantha Samhitha which instructs like a Kantha or one's beloved who advises and cites examples, coaxes or pleads or persuades as the situation may require to achieve the same end, namely 'upadesa' (eg., as in Kavyam)........."
     
     
    http://www.ciks.org/article2.htm
     
    SOCIAL ORGANISATION OF KNOWLEDGE IN INDIA: FOLK AND CLASSICAL TRADITIONS
    by A. V. Balasubramanian, Centre for Indian Knowledge Systems, No: 30, Gandhi Mandapam Road, Kotturpuram, Chennai 600 085 Email: in...@ciks.org, ci...@vsnl.com (Text of presentation made at the national seminar on - "Indian Knowledge Systems" held at the Indian Institute of Advanced Studies, Shimla, 27-29 September, 2003.
     
     
     
     
    Regards,
     
    sunder
     
    From: P.K.Ramakrishnan <peek...@yahoo.com>
    To: samskrita <sams...@googlegroups.com>
    Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 8:13 AM
    Subject: [Samskrita] THREE TYPES OF POETRY
     
     
    In Sanskrit literature the language is classified into three types according to the difficulty in  finding the meaning - draakshaapaakam, kadaliipaakam, and nalikerapaakam.
     
    The first applies to those of which the meaning can be grasped without effort in the same way the grape can be consumed as it is.
     
    The second is like eating the plantain - just remove the skin and eat. A little effort but not
    much.
     
    The third is very difficult like taking the contents of a coconut. It has two hard covers - the first the fibrous one and the second the hard shell. Removing these is a difficult process.
     
    I have not come across any authority describing these facts.  But I can point out poetical compositions where these are manifest.
     
    Kalidasas's compositions can be called draakshaapaaka.
     
    Bhartrihari's compositions may be called kadaliipaaka.
     
    Bharavi's Kirataarjuniiya would come  under the third viz. naalikerapaaka.
     
    I was recently listening to the audio of Mallinatha's commentary on Kiratarjuniyam.  In his introduction he says he is trying to break the coconut and presenting the substance to panditas.
     
    There are many members in this group who are more knowledgeable and I would like to hear their views.
     
     
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    Viswanath B <vegav...@gmail.com> Apr 30 08:21PM +0530 ^
     
    Isn't the third one nArikELa-pAkam ?
     
    i guess i am quizzing myself is the form nArikELa (coconut) same, or
    different from nalikEra
     
    vissu
     

     

    "hnbhat B.R." <hnbh...@gmail.com> Apr 30 09:08PM +0530 ^
     
    Thanks for further classification and analysis of literature.
     
    The Earlier classification is based on the purpose of the poetry and the
    others are on the quality of the poetry.
     
    From the beginning there are two views prevalent: Art for Arts Sake and Art
    for theology. The literature in General vast in its scope and very fine
    study is done in every branch of literature. Belles Literature or Literary
    Art is another realm of aesthetics. Whether it is free from Theology has
    been subjected to debates over centuries with supporters for both either in
    West and East too. Aesthetics value is of prime importance for some and for
    others Theological value is for others.
     
    The classification by Mammata taking into consideration the theological
    aspect into consideration within the scope of literature including Vedic
    Literature and Epic in broader sense, Hence his classification justifies the
    goal with theology as the main achievement of Poetry.
     
    कान्तासंमिततयोपदेशयुजे - though the goal is common for all these classes.
    Vedic injunctions are obligatorily followed without violating them, while
    Purana-s are like a friends advice to persue good things and avoid bad
    things (ethical value) and the same is achieved by Poetry too in a sweet
    voice like that of a loving wife that one would not think of neglecting
    them.
     
    There is another another comparison of this concept, कटुकौषधिवत् - like the
    sugar coated tablets, the advice is coated with sweet "Rasa" in the form of
    Kaavya-s.
     
    The others are classified with their object of aesthetic value in view,
    taking into their structure of composition graded. like नारीकेल-पाक etc. The
    are called पाक-s classified 3 or 5 as suggested by Sundarji by the latter
    rhetoricians. I think it is Bhoja (10th Century), the author of
    Shringaraprakasha and Sarasvathikanthabharana, who introduced this
    classification and championed the aesthetic value of poetry. Later
    Vidyanatha(12th Cent. AD), extended it so as to include some more classes
    इक्षुपाक etc.
     
    Earlier rhetoricians, emphasized the style. or रीति and गुण-s OF the
    compositions. and Dandin, even said their difference in such classification
    is only minute and it can be enjoyed only than explained.
     
    इक्षुक्षीरगुडादीनां माधुर्यस्यान्तरं महत्।
    तथापि न तदाख्यातुं सरस्वत्यापि शक्यते । ।
     
    which was quoted by Caraka too in his संहिता-
     
    (चरकसंहिता, सूत्रस्थान, २६)
     
    > भेदो दृश्यते स तु संस्वादभेदः स्वसंवेद्य एव।
    > यदुक्तम् इक्षुक्षीरगुडादीनां माधुर्यस्यान्तरं महत् ।। १७ ।।
    > भेदस्तथापि नाख्यातुं सरस्वत्यापि शक्यते इति ।। १८ ।।
     
     
    Then more added on the analogy of edibles to the classification whether it
    be coconut, banana, honey, or the like for simplification. Another
    classification based on the suggestio, indication or the function of the
    words in their broadest sense based on ध्वनि - or Suggestion:
     
    उत्तम मध्यम and अधम purely based on aesthetic value and aesthetic experience
    called रस which is considered as the goal of all the poetry by ध्वनि SCHOOL
    propounded by Anandavardhanacharya in 9th Century and well established by
    Abhinavaguptacharya who followed him.
     
    Thanks for Ramakrishnan and Sunderji for adding to the topic their
    observations.
     
    --
    Dr. Hari Narayana Bhat B.R.
    EFEO,
    PONDICHERRY

     

    R. Jambunathan <jam...@uwosh.edu> Apr 30 10:03AM -0500 ^
     
    I realize that this thread is closed. i was just wondering, if this
    doubt might have been cleared, if kanchi or mutts could have been
    contacted about their sampradayams and the basis for those practices.
     
    With namaskarams,
    -Jambunathan
    On Apr 29, 2011, at 6:17 PM, Vimala Sarma wrote:
     

     

    "Vimala Sarma" <vsa...@bigpond.com> Apr 30 09:20AM +1000 ^
     
    Welcome!
     
    Please ask away. This group will has people who can answer such questions.
     
    Best wishes
     
    Vimala
     

     
    From: sams...@googlegroups.com [mailto:sams...@googlegroups.com] On
    Behalf Of Daniel Tkach
    Sent: Saturday, 30 April 2011 12:43 AM
    To: sams...@googlegroups.com
    Subject: [Samskrita] New to the group
     

     
    Hari Om! Please accept my humble obeisances!
     
    I just joined this forum hoping to learn about the sanskrit language. I
    bought the first course from Samskrita Bharati and I've been studying it for
    some time. I have a couple of grammar question but I wasn't able to find
    anyone that can help me out. Would this be a good please to ask about
    grammar and vocabulary?
     
    Thank you very much.
     

     
    Daniel Tkach
     
    Buenos Aires, Argentina
     
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    "hnbhat B.R." <hnbh...@gmail.com> Apr 30 07:54AM +0530 ^
     
    Dear Friend,
     
    Welcome to your questions. Certainly they will be answered by somebody who
    first come to read them.
     
    You can always ask questions related to Sanskrit Language and Literature, or
    Grammar or anything related to Sanskrit.
     
    You may try to type in your sentences in Sanskrit itself for practicing
    whatever little you have learnt. Never mind, if any error occurs. Its only a
    justified way of learning, trial and error. Even if you type in English, you
    will certainly get answers if you are precise and clear in your questions.
     
    Thanks and wish you happy stay in the group.
     
    --
    Dr. Hari Narayana Bhat B.R.
    EFEO,
    PONDICHERRY

     

    Pramod Kulkarni <aud...@gmail.com> Apr 30 10:58AM +0530 ^
     
    u can try us[?]
    auddhav
     

     

    "K.N.RAMESH" <knra...@gmail.com> Apr 30 09:25AM +0530 ^
     
    Courtesy : Sri.Vasuvaj
    ===================
     
    Hari OM!
     
    sarvebhyaH namaskaaraH!
     
    Sweet News ! If anyone wants to know how to prepare Pancamrutam please
    watch the YouTube video Shri Vasuvaj ji has refererred to. At the
    end, you will be left wondering whether it is the Panchamrutam that
    tastes sweet or the explanation by the two kids in chaste Samskritam !
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebBZexX4HRk&feature=player_embedded
     
    The two lads are not from Sringeri or Kanchi nor from Varanasi! They
    are homeraised children in Philadelphia, US. You need to watch the
    video to appreciate how pure and prolific is their diction and
    delivery!
     
    Please do not forget to say a few words of appreciation that will make
    the kids even more enthusiastic and energetic in their study of
    Samskritam!
     
    dhanyavadah Vasuvaj ji!
    knr
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    If God brings you to it, He will bring you through it.
    Happy moments, praise God.
    Difficult moments, seek God.
    Quiet moments, worship God.
    Painful moments, trust God.
     
      Every moment, thank God

     

    Shan <visv...@gmail.com> Apr 29 09:54PM -0400 ^
     
    Dear Sunder,
     
    Thank you I finally managed to download the files from the original site.
     
    Shan
     
     

     

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