A verse of Kalidasa

[Sunder Hattangadi]

Would appreciate a good translation of this verse:

 

शिष्टा क्रिया कास्यचिदात्मसंस्था
       

          संक्रान्तिरन्यस्य विशेषयुक्ता ॥

 

यस्योभयं साधु स शिक्षकाणां 

          धुरि प्रतिष्टापयितव्य एव ॥

 

                 Kalidasa - Malavikagnimitra

 

 

Thanks.

 

 

Regards,

 

sunder

[hnbhat B.R.]

2011/10/14 Sunder Hattangadi <sun...@yahoo.com>

Would appreciate a good translation of this verse:

 

शिष्टा क्रिया कास्यचिदात्मसंस्था
       

          संक्रान्तिरन्यस्य विशेषयुक्ता ॥

 

यस्योभयं साधु स शिक्षकाणां 

          धुरि प्रतिष्टापयितव्य एव ॥

 

                 Kalidasa - Malavikagnimitra

 

श्लिष्टा क्रिया कस्यचिदात्मसंस्था संक्रान्तिरन्यस्य विशेषयुक्ता । यस्योभयं साधु स शिक्षकाणां धुरि प्रतिष्ठापयितव्य एव ॥  

shliṣhṭā kriyā kasyacid ātmasaṁsthā sankrāntir anyasya visheShayuktā ।

yasyobhayaṁ sādhu sa śikṣakāṇāṁ dhuri pratiṣṭhāpayitavya eva ||

(मालविकाग्निमित्र.   1.16.)

Somebody has the learning (knowledge or expertize) in contained in himself fine. (but not capable of transferring it to others).  Some other has specialized skill of transferring (teaching the knowledge whatever he has got)(but he need not have accumulated knowledge like the other). One who has got both of them (the qualifications - skill in learning himself and in teaching others), is to be placed first among the teachers. (He is the first rate Teacher).

The gist is that though everybody can learn and teach others, some have the capacity of learning a lot of things, but lack the skill of teaching it to others and some others have the skill of teaching (whatever they have learnt), but lack the skill of learning (i.e.accumulation of knowledge). 

This is common experience in the field of teaching. Those who have great knowledge, need not be the good teachers and the best teachers need not be having great knowledge (but enough to teach what the student needs).  

Hope this makes some sort of appreciation though my English can be as bad as the bad teaching.

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[Arvind_Kolhatkar]

I found the following in C.H.Tawney's translation of
मालविकाग्निमित्रम् (1891) available at
http://www.archive.org/stream/cu31924022967578#page/n9/mode/2up

शिष्टा क्रिया कस्यचिदात्मसंस्था

संक्रान्तिरन्यस्य विशेषयुक्ता ।
यस्योभयं साधु स शिक्षकाणां 

धुरि प्रतिष्ठापयितव्य एव ॥

One man can perform excellently in person, another possesses to a
remarkable degree the power of communicating his skill; he who
possesses both excellences should be placed at the head of the
teachers.

Arvind Kolhatkar, Toronto, October 13, 2011.

[ajit Gargeshwari]

Act 1 Verse 16
Translation: " A man can perform excellently in person, another posses to a remarkable degree the power of communicating his skill; he who posses both excellences, should be placed at the head of teachers."

( The whole of the stanza is in the form of a general satement from which a meaning relating to the subject matter namely, the two rival teachers is understood. This is the case of अप्रस्तुताप्रश्मसा . It may be noted that Kalidasa is very fond of this figure os speech which occurs, not only in Sanskrit verses, but also in the prose passages in Sanskrit or Prakrit)


See above Mallinatha,s interpretation

Regards
Ajit Gargeshwari

2011/10/14 Sunder Hattangadi <sun...@yahoo.com>

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[Arvind_Kolhatkar]

अप्रस्तुताप्रश्मसा

Is it a typo and should be अप्रस्तुतप्रशंसा...?

Arvind Kolhatkar, Toronto, October 14, 2011.

[ajit Gargeshwari]

You are correct Arvindji

Ajit Gargeshwari

[dhaval patel]

Dear Ajit,

thank you for your translation.

I have a personal request.

Can u share the Mallinath's commentary on Malavikagnimitram ?

I dont have a hard or soft copy..

In case it is a hard copy can u share the publication details ?

Dr. Dhaval Patel 

www.sanskritworld.in

On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Arvind_Kolhatkar <kolhat...@gmail.com> wrote:

[ajit Gargeshwari]

Sure Dr. Patel
For Nirnaya Sagar Press Edition


http://www.archive.org/details/MalavikagnimitramOfKalidasa-SktCommentary-KpParab

For Shankar P Pandits edition published is Bombay Sanskrit series 4

http://books.google.com/books?id=asEIAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

For Calcutta Edition

http://www.new.dli.gov.in/scripts/FullindexDefault.htm?path1=/data3/upload/0090/104&first=1&last=311&barcode=99999990235873

For Shesadri Iyers Translation

http://www.new.dli.gov.in/scripts/FullindexDefault.htm?path1=/rawdataupload/upload/0095/846&first=1&last=314&barcode=4990010095846

Please use DLI downloader for the last 2 links

TheMalvikagnimitra is criticall edited by K A Subramania Iyer and Published by Sahitya Akademi I donot have a soft copy of this book I can send them to you if you want

Regards
Ajit Gargeshwari

[Sunder Hattangadi]

Sincere thanks to all who participated in this thread, by being excellent exemplars of Kalidasa's ideal teacher.

 

Regards,

 

sunder

[hnbhat B.R.]

On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 9:17 AM, ajit Gargeshwari <ajit.gar...@gmail.com> wrote:

Act 1 Verse 16
Translation: " A man can perform excellently in person, another posses to a remarkable degree the power of communicating his skill; he who posses both excellences, should be placed at the head of teachers."

( The whole of the stanza is in the form of a general satement from which a meaning relating to the subject matter namely, the two rival teachers is understood. This is the case of अप्रस्तुताप्रश्मसा . It may be noted that Kalidasa is very fond of this figure os speech which occurs, not only in Sanskrit verses, but also in the prose passages in Sanskrit or Prakrit)


See above Mallinatha,s interpretation

Regards
Ajit Gargeshwari

Dr. Patel asked whether Mallinatha's Commentary referred to by you is available? Which one of the links contains Mallinatha's interpretation referred to you in the above post. 

The question was precisely about the Mallainatha's interpretation, not about all the commentaries published on Malavikagnimitra. Hope you will understand the question and the precise information than expecting one to download all the files and look if they are containing Mallinatha/s commentary. It will be helpful for all.

 

[hnbhat B.R.]

Thanks for the links. Sorry for my previous message and I apologize if it hurt you.

For your information, the NSP Edition contains as I expected the  Malavikagnimitram of Kalidasa with Sanskrit Commentary by Katayavema Ed by KP Parab and the second contains the text critically Edited with Notes in English. 3rd DLI link contains the commentary of Taranatha Vacaspati Bhattacharya and the other one as you clearly mentioned with an English Translation. 

As far as I know Mallinatha didn't comment on any of the drama-s of Kalidasa, though he did on his 3 major Kavya-s along with two others किरातार्जुनीयम् of भारवि and नैषधीयचरितम् of श्रीहर्ष forming the पञ्चमहाकाव्य-s for traditional study. I had heard that one is awarded महामहोपाध्याय on writing a commentary on the last of the series, नैषधीयचरित.

HERE is the complete Bibliography of Malavikagnimitra, updated up to 1906 as provided by Schuyler, Montgomery, b. 1877 in his 

A bibliography of the Sanskrit drama, with an introductory sketch of the dramatic literature of India (1906)

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Bombay, 1869, pp. 39 + 164 ; 2° ed., with the commentary

of Katayavema, 1889, pp. 35 + 230. Bombay Sanskrit

Series, no. 6.
Malavikagnimitra. Edited with Notes by T, Tarkavacaspati. i °

ed., Calcutta, 1870, pp. 165. 2° ed., 1887, pp. 148.
Malavikagnimitra. Mit kritischen und erklarenden Anmerkungen

herausgegeben von F. Bollensen. Leipzig, 1879,
Malavikagnimitra, with the commentary named Kumaragirirajiya

of Katayavema. Vizagapatam, 1884, pp. 133.
Malavikagnimitra. Edited with an original commentary by

Mrityunjaya Nissanka. Madras, 1885, pp. 262.
Malavikagnimitra. Little Conjevaram, 1886, pp. 64.
Malavikagnimitra. Sanskrit text with full notes in English by

M. C. Sadagopachariar. Bombay, 1889.
Malavikagnimitra, edited with the commentary of Katayavema

and with explanatory English notes by K. P. Parab. Bom-
bay, 1890, pp. 153.
Malavikagnimitra. Edited with the commentary of Katayavema.

Bombay, 1 891, pp. 112.
Malavikagnimitra. With the commentary of Katayavema.

Edited with explanatory English notes. Bombay, 1891,

pp. 158.
Malavikagnimitra, with the commentary of Katayavema and

several others embodied therein, edited with critical notes

and translation by S. S. Ayyar. Poona, 1896, pp. 303.
Malavikagnimitra, edited with a close English translation by S.

B. Bhagvat. Poona, 1897, pp. 126.
Malavikagnimitra. Edited with a commentary, notes, and trans-
lation by M. C. Satakopacari. Kumbhakonam, 1900, pp.

152.
Translations. A.English. Malavikagnimitra, translated into

English prose by C. H. Tawney. 1° ed., Calcutta, 1875,

pp. 93 ; 2° ed., 1 891, pp. 121.
Malavikagnimitra, translated into English prose by G. R. Nan-

dargikar. Poona, 1879, pp. 53.
B. French. Malavika et Agnimitra. Traduit pour la premiere



46 Kalidasa

fois en fran(;ai.s par P. E. Foucaux. Paris, 1877, pp. 11 +
118. Bibl. Orient. Elzevir., no. 14.
Malavikagnimitra. Agnimitra et Malavika, comedie en cinq actes
at un prologue, melee de prose et de vers, traduite du San-
scrit et du pracrit par Victor Henry. Paris, 1889, pp. 12 +
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C. German. Malavika und Agnimitra, ein Drama des Kali-

dasa in fiinf Akten, zum ersten Male iibersetzt von Albrecht

Weber. Berlin, 1856, pp. 48 -f 107.
Malavika und Agnimitra, metrisch iibersetzt von Ludvvig Fritze.

Leipzig, 1 88 1, pp. 74.
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vier Aufziigen nebst einem Vorspiel, frei fur die deutsche

Biihne bearbeitet von Leopold von Schroeder. Munich,

1902, pp. 8 + 70.

D. Dutch. Danseres en Koning. Malavika en Agnimitra.

Tooneelstuk uit het Sanskret vertaald door J. van der Vliet.
Haarlem, 1882, pp. 132.

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ofversatt af H. Edgren. Malmo, 1877.

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Oversat af E. Brandes. Med tegninger af C. Thomsen.
Copenhagen, 1874.

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In Teatro scelto indiano, tradotto dal Sanscrito da Antonio

Marazzi, vol. i, Milan, 1871, pp. 301-417.
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cesco Cimmino. Naples, 1897, pp. 11 + 126.
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Prague, 1893, pp. 102. Sbornik svetove poesie, no. 16.
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pp. 204.
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Raje. Bombay, 1895, pp. 156.



Kalidasa 47

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Thanks once again for the links, especially the commentary of Vacaspati Taranatha Bhattacharya, the renowned compiler of Sanskrit Lexicon वाचस्पत्यम् already available on the net in 6 parts. 

[ajit Gargeshwari]

Dear Dr Bhat,

Thanks for the links. Sorry for my previous message and I apologize if it hurt you.

Not at all, apologies, if I have misled. Thank you and i have taken the criticism well taken. Constructive criticism which one does helps and is extremely useful to me.
Regards
Ajit Gargeshwari

[Rajagopalan Ayilam]

There are two more verses of Kalidasa about knowledge. I giving it here with translations.


यस्यागमः केवलजीविकायै
तं ज्ञानपण्यं वणिजं वदन्ति।
 
(मालविकाग्निमित्रम् : १ - १७)  [ The last two lines of the verse]
 
 
One whose learning only serves as a means of livelihood, is called a mere trader who uses agreessive/annoying methods to sell his products.
 
आ परितोषाद्विदुषां न साधु मन्ये प्रयोगविज्ञानम् ।
 
बलवदपि शिक्षितानामात्मन्यप्रत्ययं चेतः ॥
 
(अभिज्ञान शाकुन्तलम् : १ - २) 
 
Until the wise are satisfied, I do not consider my knowledge, which I present, to be perfect. The mind of men although well instructed has no confidence in itself.


A.S.Rajagopalan

[sath...@gmail.com]

Dear Sir,  When Mahakavi Kalidasa was faced with a challenge from another tough Poet, kalidasa observes that the opponent has bit of stammering and so composes a terse poem(as below) which opponent could not replicate (because of stammering). Any more details of this?(meaning and reference to any books/web sites) :
***************Actual poem below**********************
षड्जा मड्ज कराड्ज वीड्ज वसुधा जलान्ड्ज मड्जाकरे

झड्गद् किड्कि कराड्ग रॆड्ग नगनह् कड्ज्यॊथ वीड्य भ्रमह ।

वीड्या लुट्प्रम लुट्प्रय पद ड्रग्डग्र डग्डग्रह

फादौट्प्रेट् प्रटट् प्रटरसत्ट् प्रख्यात सख्यादयह ॥

ShaDjA maDja karADja vIDja vasudhA jalAnDja maDjAkare

JaDgad kiDki karADga rEDga naganah kaDjyOtha vIDya Bramaha |

vIDyA luTprama luTpraya pada DragDagra DagDagraha

PAdauTpreT praTaT praTarasatT praKyAta saKyAdayaha ||

**********************************************************************************************

[Arvind_Kolhatkar]

I suspect that this tongue-twister is the creation of some unknown word-craftsman and apocryphally attributed to Kalidasa, as has happened to several other verses.

BTW, can you give the real verse behind it?

Arvind Kolhatkar, Toronto, July 29, 2013.

[Prasanna Kumar]

Hi

I heard this kalidasu sloka in diiferent way i mean different words,see below.

''Shadjyaa madjya karaadjya veedjya vasudhaa kshmaalaamcha madjyaakire

tkidje tki tki dhare dhare kane kane kadjyura vidjadbhruma

ludbrama ludbrama ludbra ludbra yapadhaa dgra dgra dgra shadgrasthada

baadowteti pateti teti tura sutprukhyaathi satyaandayaha.''

[Hnbhat B.R.]

There are several stories on Kalidasa and all need not be looked for in any poem.

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[P. Vasu]

Kalidasa original or not, the tongue-twister seems interesting  to me. I would enjoy it  if  good devnagari script versions  of the many variants emerges, along with meaning.

 I can see that  it probably  has nothing to do with the original query of shri Sunder Hattangadi, but I hope it gets pursued.

 

Vasu

[Rupesh k]

Aum,

       Being just a new learner I couldn't comprehend this verse, attributed to Kalidasa. It would be of immense help, if some of you could provide at least with a basic meaning of the sloka. 

Loooking forward,

Rupesh

[Muppalla Sree Surya Prakash]

I am not sure, if any of these are correctly spelt. Frankly because I could not comprehend the meaning of any of the words. Also wondering first of all, what is the meaning of this whole padyam.