Fwd: Steps to Rectify Sanskrit Degradation

[संस्कृत संवादः]

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भेजने वाले: संस्कृत संवादः <samskrit...@gmail.com>
Date: मंगल, 2 जुल॰ 2024, 14:36
Subject: Steps to Rectify Sanskrit Degradation
To: Janardana Hegde <janarda...@gmail.com>

Respected Shri Hegde,

Namaste.

I write to propose a crucial initiative aimed at rectifying the unintentional degradation of Sanskrit to ensure the use of correct Sanskrit forms.

 Below are the proposed steps:

1. Official Acknowledgement and Apology: Begin with an official acknowledgement of the unintentional degradation of Sanskrit and extend a sincere apology for every impact this have had on our cultural heritage.

2. Review and Correct Existing Textbooks: Conduct a thorough review of existing Sanskrit textbooks to identify errors and inconsistencies in grammar, syntax, and usage.

3. Era of Shuddhi Andolan: Initiate an "Era of Shuddhi Andolan" to promote correct usage and celebrate the efforts of those who diligently work to restore Sanskrit's purity.

4. Redesign Curriculum with Emphasis on Correct Forms: Redesign the curriculum to prioritize the use of correct Sanskrit grammar, including Sandhi rules, verb forms (lakāras), and appropriate use of Madhyama Purusha.

    4.1. Zero Tolerance for Errors: Mistakes should be corrected immediately upon identification with zero tolerance. Encourage a culture where errors are seen as learning opportunities, not as points of embarrassment.
   
    4.2. Embrace Sandhi Rules: Promote thorough learning and practice of Sandhi rules.
   
    4.3. Correct Usage of Madhyama Purusha: Ensure accurate usage of the middle voice in verbs, emphasizing its importance.
   
    4.4. Differentiation from Hindi: Clarify the unique grammar, vocabulary, and sentence structure of Sanskrit distinct from Hindi.
   
    4.5. Appropriate Use of Compounds or Vibhakti: Utilize appropriate compounds or case endings (vibhakti) for clarity and precision.
   
    4.6. Avoid Using 'वा' for Questions: Use suitable question indicators instead of 'वा' for questioning.

5. Incorporate Classical Sanskrit Texts: Integrate excerpts from classical Sanskrit texts, such as Pancharatram and other literary works, to exemplify correct usage and enhance comprehension of Sanskrit's traditional conversational styles.

6. Development of New Texts and Materials: Develop new textbooks and supplementary materials that adhere strictly to the principles of classical Sanskrit, ensuring clarity, accuracy, and preservation of language integrity.

7. Training for Educators: Provide comprehensive training programs for Sanskrit educators to familiarize them with the revised curriculum and empower them to teach correct Sanskrit effectively. Only appoint individuals proficient in both theoretical and practical aspects of Sanskrit through rigorous testing and certification.

8. Continuous Review and Improvement: Establish a mechanism for continuous review and improvement of textbooks, incorporating feedback from educators and scholars to maintain high standards of linguistic accuracy.

9. Promotion of Wholesome Learning: Focus on comprehensive Sanskrit education that includes all key elements without neglecting any aspect crucial for a thorough understanding.

10. Translation of Technical Terms: Prepare Sanskrit equivalents for technical terminology across various fields and compile them in dictionaries.

Implementing these measures will help maintain the purity and richness of Sanskrit, ensuring its continued teaching and learning with the highest standards.

[Irene Galstian]

Sorry, but this is going too far.

Dr Hegde and the Sanskrit experts who founded SB and keep it going for many years now have spent their lives teaching and promoting Sanskrit, and thanks to them that river is flowing. Please ask yourself, how long have you been involved? How long will you last? Polemics is one thing, staying power is another. To do what they did at SB they needed A LOT of staying power when there was nothing else that kept them going. While in your case a worthwhile contribution is AT BEST a promise, in the case of SB founders is THE DELIVERY, which means days, weeks, months and years devoted to Sanskrit textbooks, translations, promotions, etc. For what? To make money? Surely not: look how affordable the excellent SB translations are of various novels that only someone who knows Sanskrit extremely well can take on and bring to a conclusion. Look how concerned Dr Hegde is that the readers of his grammar books are aware of the subtleties of Sanskrit usages. We must bow to the founders of SB and know clearly that we owe them a debt we can't possibly repay. 

You are not wrong when you say that it's not possible to teach spoken Sanskrit in 10 days. In fact, unless you know someone who speaks Sanskrit well and who is willing to speak with you and teach you, 10 years won't be enough either. But nothing at all can take away the immense achievement of SB and nothing can ever diminish our endless gratitude to its founders. 

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[अभ्यंकरकुलोत्पन्नः श्रीपादः | श्रीपतेः पदयुगं स्मरणीयम् ।]

Dear Irene-madam,

Witth all due respects to Dr. Hegde and others, what has been wronged, has to be corrected, right ?

[Irene Galstian]

Of course. If one’s predecessors left something unfinished or couldn’t address certain matters at the time because they’ve been putting in the groundwork, one could try rectifying/improving these things now. It‘s because they have laboured that we can even contemplate the next steps. When they started, there was nothing in place. Maybe the wave of improvements will succeed, maybe not. But gratitude to Dr Hegde and his colleagues is immense in any case. That’s what I was trying to say. 

On 4 Jul 2024, at 9:06 am, अभ्यंकरकुलोत्पन्नः श्रीपादः | श्रीपतेः पदयुगं स्मरणीयम् । <sl.abh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Irene-madam,

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[Vishvas Vasuki (Vishvas)]

On Thursday 4 July, 2024 at 12:36:16 pm UTC+5:30 अभ्यंकरकुलोत्पन्नः श्रीपादः | श्रीपतेः पदयुगं स्मरणीयम् । wrote:

Dear Irene-madam,

Witth all due respects to Dr. Hegde and others, what has been wronged, has to be corrected, right ?

कीदृशम् इदम् "पापम्"? अल्पधीभ्यः साधारणेभ्यः संस्कृतप्रापणम्?

यतः "संस्कृतंं तुच्छीकृतम्" इत्यस्य प्रमाणं न किञ्चिद् दर्शितम्,  

न हि बालभाषितेन जातु भाषैव तुच्छीक्रियते। 
यद्य् एवं शिक्षितः कश्चिद् असह्यदोषैः पुस्तकम् प्रकाशयति,  

यदि वा साग्रहं दुष्टम् भाषते  

अप्य् अयं संस्कृतभारत्या दोषः? 

युक्तिहीनम् इदम्। 

[Vishvas Vasuki (Vishvas)]

On Tuesday 9 July, 2024 at 7:49:13 pm UTC+5:30 Vishvas Vasuki (Vishvas) wrote:

On Thursday 4 July, 2024 at 12:36:16 pm UTC+5:30 अभ्यंकरकुलोत्पन्नः श्रीपादः | श्रीपतेः पदयुगं स्मरणीयम् । wrote:

Dear Irene-madam,

Witth all due respects to Dr. Hegde and others, what has been wronged, has to be corrected, right ?

कीदृशम् इदम् "पापम्"? अल्पधीभ्यः साधारणेभ्यः संस्कृतप्रापणम्?

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इत्यत्र "वदतु संस्कृतम्" इति दुष्टं वाक्यम् इति प्रतिपादयितुं हासजनकस् तु प्रयास आयासो वा दृश्यते :-)

[S. L. Abhyankar]

संस्कृतभारत्याः संभाषणसंस्कृतोपक्रमे शिक्षिताः साग्रहं दुष्टम् भाषन्ते इति मम स्वीयः अनुभवः अस्ति ! 

शिक्षका अपि न परिष्कुर्वन्ति ! 

तदेव पापम् !

तत् प्रसरत्येव !! 

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[विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki)]

On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 at 22:30, S. L. Abhyankar <sl.abh...@gmail.com> wrote:

संस्कृतभारत्याः संभाषणसंस्कृतोपक्रमे शिक्षिताः साग्रहं दुष्टम् भाषन्ते इति मम स्वीयः अनुभवः अस्ति ! 

शिक्षका अपि न परिष्कुर्वन्ति ! 

तदेव पापम् !

तर्हि, साग्रहाणां शिक्षितानाम् इदम् पापम्, न तावच् छिक्षकाणाम् -   

ते हि यथावकाशं यथायोग्यं परिष्कुर्युः, न साग्रहं डिम्भम्। 

पुनस् तेषाम् अपि पापे गणितेऽपि 
न संस्थाया दोषः -  

न हि तिलकविद्यालये पाठकस्यापर्याप्ततायाः 
विद्यालयस्य तिलकस्य वा पापं कथ्येत। 

 

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Vishvas /विश्वासः

[Sivakumar Ogirala]

हरि: ॐ । नमस्सर्वेभ्य: ।

When most of the "learned" sanskrit teachers did little to spread spoken sanskrit, instead quietly allowed the impression that the teaching or learning of sanskrit is extremely difficult, Samskrita Bharati changed that perception by recommending grammatically correct sanskrit in an easy to learn method to all sections of the society across all age groups and faiths, it should be regarded as a massive unification revolution based on the Sanaathana Dharma. 

विद्या तु विवादाय कारणभूतं न भवेत् ।

अत्र न्यायाधीशस्य स्थाने कोऽपि न नियुक्त: खलु! 

धन्यवादा: ||

 

शिवकुमार:|| 

  

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[S. L. Abhyankar]

कापि व्यवस्था दोषाञ्जनयति चेत् तत् सर्वेषामेव पापम् | 

यावत् परिष्करणं न भवति तावत् व्यवस्था विलम्बनीया खलु ?  

Cordially, S. L. Abhyankar
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"श्रीपतेः पदयुगं स्मरणीयम् ।"

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[विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki)]

On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 at 17:23, S. L. Abhyankar <sl.abh...@gmail.com> wrote:

कापि व्यवस्था दोषाञ्जनयति चेत् तत् सर्वेषामेव पापम् | 

यावत् परिष्करणं न भवति तावत् व्यवस्था विलम्बनीया खलु ?  

भवता शिक्षिता काचन +असह्यदोषसहितं किञ्चित् प्रकाशयति चेद् भवतः पापं भवति?
(यथा खलु https://swarajyamag.com/culture/tamil-new-year-special-an-interview-with-scholar-who-translated-ponniyin-selvan-into-sanskrit इति कयाचित् कृतम् इति सोपहासं विदुषा प्रदर्शितम् मे, तत्र च संस्कृतज्ञानहीनेन+अरविन्दाख्येन ब्रह्मद्विषा सोत्साहम् अभिनन्द्यमानम्)

नेति मन्ये - यतो भवताऽनादिष्टया भवद्-अङ्गीकारम् अन्तरैव पापम् आचरितम्। ("शिष्यस्य पापं गुरोर् अपी"त्य् उक्तिस् तु शिष्यनिन्दनपरम् एव। )

संस्कृतभारत्या प्रचारे पुरा क्वचिद् दोषः कृतः स्यात् ("परिवेषयामी"ति स्वार्थे णिचा साहसेन, अथवा "संस्कृते विज्ञानम्" इत्य् अबद्धांशप्रचारेण), 

तादृशं तु परिष्कृतम् परिष्करणीयं वेत्य् अङ्गीकृतैव । 

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[S. L. Abhyankar]

यैः सदोषा व्यवस्था प्रसृता ते यदि परिष्करणाय तावत्याः व्यवस्थायाः विलंबनाय न सिद्धाश्चेत् अस्मिन् वादे तत्त्वबोधः कः ? 

अलं वादेन !

Cordially, S. L. Abhyankar
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[विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki)]

On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 at 07:13, S. L. Abhyankar <sl.abh...@gmail.com> wrote:

यैः सदोषा व्यवस्था प्रसृता ते यदि परिष्करणाय तावत्याः व्यवस्थायाः विलंबनाय न सिद्धाश्चेत् अस्मिन् वादे तत्त्वबोधः कः ? 

सदोषा व्यवस्थेत्य् एव न प्रतिपादितम् इहान्यत्र वा केनचित्।  

(न काचिद् अपि व्यवस्था ऽदुष्टा भवितुम् अर्हतीति भिन्ना वार्ता। अत्र सदोषता प्रतिज्ञापूर्विकेति गम्यते।)  

युक्तिहीनैर् आक्षेपैः कस् तत्त्वबोधो जायते? आक्षेपकाणां शून्यतैव।  

अलं वादेन !

यदि प्रतिपक्षे "वदतु संस्कृतम्" इति वाक्यं दुष्टम् इतीदृश्य् एव "युक्तिः", वादो हासायै कल्पते।  

स च लब्ध :-)

सत्य् एवम् अलं हासेनेति प्रतिज्ञा साधुतरा। 

 

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[S. L. Abhyankar]

यदि भवान् मम वादं हासाय कल्पते अभिनन्दनानि भवताम् !

किमन्यत् ?! 

मह्यंस्तु अलं वादेन !

Cordially, S. L. Abhyankar
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