GoI to unveil 10-year plan for Sanskrit revival

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Nityanand Misra

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Mar 21, 2016, 3:14:32 AM3/21/16
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G S S Murthy

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I believe we are fooling ourselves if we believe that Vedas and Sanskrit writings contain hidden treasures of Science and Technology. Any money spent  in that direction is money gone down the drain.
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Murthy

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Suresh KR

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Mar 21, 2016, 7:46:20 AM3/21/16
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how much truth it is that vedas does not contain any hidden treasures of science and technology?

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vishal jaiswal

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Mar 21, 2016, 2:02:33 PM3/21/16
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One wonders about the magnificient obsession with science and tech. If
any of it has actually been of benefit in a holistic way instead of
the usual duals of positives and negatives.

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Nagaraj Paturi

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Mar 21, 2016, 2:35:44 PM3/21/16
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Dear Sri Sureshji,
 
Please go through this pdf
http://www.currentscience.ac.in/Volumes/108/04/0471.pdf which was already discussed in another list.
 
Samples from the same:
 
The third controversy concerns plastic surgery, which
seems to have been driven in several parts of the world
by the need to repair broken noses (apparently an ancient
and common punishment worldwide), cleft lips, etc. The
first records go back to Egypt in 3000–2500 BCE. In the
6th century BCE, Suśruta consolidated Indic ayurvedic
knowledge in an encyclopaedic and foundational text
called the Suśruta Samhita. This included the practice of
plastic surgery, in which India clearly remained well
ahead of the rest of the world. Thus the first major rhinoplasty
in modern West was performed as late as 1815 by
a British surgeon who had served in India for 20 years,
and was triggered by British press reports about how
Maratha soldiers who had lost their noses in the Anglo-
Mysore wars were surgically set right in Pune. There was
no European competition to so-called ‘Indian Nose’, so
Indic claims on plastic surgery seem to be on solid
ground.
 
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Finally, a few words about Indic mathematics, which I
consider has not yet gained the global or domestic recognition
it deserves. Apart from the well-known numeral
system, and the algorithmic/computational revolution
it sparked, the number of advances made in India long
before they were (re-)discovered in Europe keeps increasing
as we learn more of our own history. Look at these
examples: a large part of algebra, first solutions to linear
and quadratic indeterminate equations (Aryabhata, Brahmagupta);
the binomial theorem, the combinatorial formula
and Pascal’s triangle (Pingala 3rd century); second-order
interpolation formulas and the Newton–Raphson
method (Brahmagupta), the Fibonacci numbers (Virahanka
700 CE, Hemachandra ~1150 CE); the basics of
differentials, maxima of functions, mean value theorem,
etc. (Bhaskara ~12th century, Munjala ~ 800 CE); infinite
series, and a precursor of what later came to be known as
calculus and analysis (Madhava 14th century): so the list
goes on. These contributions are not just ‘little’ mathematics,
and the ‘big picture’ of their collective influence
on the world was succinctly and accurately summarized
by Hermann Weyl when he wrote (Preface to The Theory
of Groups and Quantum Mechanics, 1928):

 
 
Nagaraj Paturi
 
Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
 
Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
 
FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
 
(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
 
 
 

Nagaraj Paturi

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Mar 21, 2016, 2:45:38 PM3/21/16
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Dear Sri Sureshji,
 
Let the cynical doubting Thomases keep singing their old songs, while the day after day our Professors such as Prof. Vineet Chaitanyaji, Prof. Amba Kulkarniji and a host of such colleagues of us keep taking us forward revolutionizing fields such as computational linguistics using the hidden treasures from Panini and related Sanskrit sources leaving the cynics in their own paradise.  

Nagaraj Paturi

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Mar 21, 2016, 11:45:24 PM3/21/16
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One of my friends has completed interesting computational music projects which make a computer give concerts on its own (not synthesized by the user) using the methods of analysis of music provided in our Sanskrit works on musicology only.
 
His name is Prof. Vinod Vodwans, works as Dean of School of Fine and Performing Arts at the FLAME School of Liberal Education, Pune.

Nagaraj Paturi

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Mar 22, 2016, 12:36:18 AM3/22/16
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Efficacy of Ayurveda in contemporary medical treatment is well established. Proof of the pudding is in its eating.
 
Most of the contemporary big Ayurvedic medical companies follow established clinical trial methods. Their big business all over the world is proof enough for the usefulness of the medicines.
 
Here is a report "India moves to protect traditional medicines from foreign patents " with a highlighted line 'India fights to protect ancient treatments from western pharmaceutical companies ' at http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/feb/22/india-protect-traditional-medicines
 

In the first step by a developing country to stop multinational companies patenting traditional remedies from local plants and animals, the Indian government has effectively licensed 200,000 local treatments as "public property" free for anyone to use but no one to sell as a "brand".

The move comes after scientists in Delhi noticed an alarming trend – the "bio-prospecting" of natural remedies by companies abroad. After trawling through the records of the global trademark offices, officials found 5,000 patents had been issued — at a cost of at least $150m (£104m) — for "medical plants and traditional systems".

"More than 2,000 of these belong to the Indian systems of medicine … We began to ask why multinational companies were spending millions of dollars to patent treatments that so many lobbies in Europe deny work at all," said Dr Vinod Kumar Gupta, who heads the Traditional Knowledge Digital Library, which lists in encyclopaedic detail the 200,000 treatments.

The database, which took 200 researchers eight years to compile by meticulously translating ancient Indian texts, will now be used by the European Patent Office to check against "bio-prospectors".

Gupta points out that in Brussels alone there had been 285 patents for medicinal plants whose uses had long been known in the three principal Indian systems: ayurveda, India's traditional medical treatment; unani, a system believed to have come to India via ancient Greece; and siddha, one of India's oldest health therapies, from the south.

Researchers found that in Europe one company had patented an Indian creeping plant known as Brahmi — Bacopa monnieri — for a memory enhancer. Another patent was awarded for aloe vera for its use as a mouth ulcer treatment.

"We have shown the authorities that ayurveda, unani and siddha medicinal uses were known in India. We would like the patents therefore lifted," said Gupta.

In the past India has had to go to court to get patents revoked. Officials say that to lift patents from medicines created from turmeric and neem, an Indian tree, it spent more than $5m. In the case of the neem patent, the legal battle took almost 10 years.

"We won because we proved these were part of traditional Indian knowledge. There was no innovation and therefore no patent should be granted," said Gupta.

Yoga, too, is considered a traditional medicine and one that is already a billion-dollar industry in the US. Gupta said the Indian government had already asked the US to register yoga as a "well-known" mark and raised concerns over the 130 yoga-related patents issued.

"We want no one to appropriate the yoga brand for themselves. There are 1,500 asanas [yogic poses] and exercises given in our ancient texts. We are transcribing these so they too cannot be appropriated by anyone.

"We have had instances where people have patented a yoga technique by describing a certain temperature. This is simply wrong."

India is also unusual in that it has seven national medical systems — of which modern medicine is but one. Almost four-fifths of India's billion people use traditional medicine and there are 430,000 ayurvedic medical practitioners registered by the government in the country. The department overseeing the traditional medical industry, known as Ayush, has a budget of 10bn rupees ($260m).

India's battle to protect its traditional treatments is rooted in the belief that the developing world's rich biodiversity is a potential treasure trove of starting material for new drugs and crops. Gupta said that it costs the west $15bn and 15 years to produce a "blockbuster drug". A ­patent lasts for 20 years, so a pharmaceutical company has just five years to recover its costs — which makes conventional treatments expensive.

"If you can take a natural remedy and isolate the active ingredient then you just need drug trials and the marketing. Traditional medicine could herald a new age of cheap drugs."

Medicines ancient and modern

Ginger: Patented to treat obesity. However, officials have found that in a Siddha preparation, extracts of ginger root are used in a treatment for obesity

Citrus peel extract: Patented to treat skin disorders and injuries. Recorded in Ayurvedic texts as a key ingredient to treat skin diseases

Phyllanthus amarus (Himalayan stem herb): Patented "for the inhibition of the replication of a nucleosidic inhibitor resistant retrovirus and/or a non-nucleosidic inhibitor-resistant retrovirus, wherein said retrovirus is an HIV." Indian traditional texts show the drug is used for immuno-suppressive emaciating diseases

Brassica rapa (mustard): Patented to normalise bowel function or for the prevention of colonic cancer. Unani has for years prescribed it for stomach ailments

Nagaraj Paturi

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Mar 22, 2016, 1:14:39 AM3/22/16
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METALLURGICAL HERITAGE OF INDIA
 
by
 
S. Srinivasan and S. Ranganathan
 
Department of Metallurgy, Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore
 
is at
 
The concluding remarks of the essay are:
 
The above review indicates that there is growing evidence to suggest that ancient Indian metallurgists have also made major contributions which deserve their place in the metallurgical history of the world along with other great civilizations of the world. As clearly seen in the case of zinc and high-carbon steel, ancient India contributed significantly to their modern metallurgical advances and in the development of metallurgical study leading to the Industrial Revolution in Europe and hence deserve a special niche in the annals of western science. In this Golden Jubilee year of the department it is worth recalling the achievements of the past as a source of inspiration and confidence for future generation of metallurgists in India and elsewhere. Prof. Cyril Stanley Smith has remarked that usually man assays metals. Metal can just as well be used to assay the progress of mankind. In this assay the ancient civilisation of India acquits itself with glory.

Nagaraj Paturi

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The late astrophysicist Carl Sagan (1980) noted that "the Hindu religion is the only one of the world’s great faiths dedicated to the idea that the Cosmos itself undergoes an immense, indeed an infinite, number of births and deaths. It is the only religion in which the time cycles correspond, no doubt by accident, to those of modern scientific cosmology. Its cycles run from our ordinary day and night to a day and night of Brahma, 8.64 billion years long, longer than the age of the Earth or the Sun and about half the time since the Big Bang. And there are much longer time scales still."
 
Cosmic Cycles of Hindu Cosmology:
Scientific Underpinnings and Implications

Yash P. Aggarwal, Ph.D., J.D.
Emeritus Associate: Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University, NY, USA.

Journal of Cosmology, 2011, Vol , In Press.
JournalofCosmology.com, 2011

is at

http://journalofcosmology.com/AncientAstronomy122.html

Abstract

Ancient Hindu Texts indicate that cosmic processes are driven by two cycles: a Primary cycle possibly some 311 trillion years long that begins with the formation of the universe and ends with its dissolution and regeneration for a new cycle; and a Secondary cycle of 8.64 + 0.12 billion (Gy) years that begins with the formation of an Earth-like planet that supports life, or by extension the formation of a Solar system, its demise, and its rebirth. Using the history of the secondary cycles described in the Texts we deduce: 1) that our universe is at least, but not much older than 13.2 + 0.15 Gy, in excellent agreement with current scientific data; 2) that primeval planets formed within less than a billion years of the beginnings of the universe, in agreement with the observations of NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope; and 3) show that the Texts predict the demise of the Earth in the next 4.2 Gy and describe the nature and sequence of events leading to its incineration that are remarkably similar to those inferred from current models of Solar evolution. The Secondary cycle and its history implies: 1) that our Solar System is the successor to a primeval parent that formed < 0.7 Gy after the dawn of the universe; 2) that the Solar system has the capacity to essentially replicate itself approximately every 8.64 Gy; and 3) that human life may have existed on an Earth-like planet about 8.7 Gy ago. These results and implications, covering 18 Gy from the inception of the universe to the demise of the Earth, are independent of any and all scientific theories and religious speculation concerning the origins of the universe or how stars and planets formed; nor do they rest upon any uncertain interpretations of the Texts. Therefore, the cosmic cycles of Hindu cosmology (HC) are not products of fanciful imagination of ancient Hindus, but most probably have scientific underpinnings. The cyclic universe of HC fits well with the Cyclic Model of Steinhardt and Turok (2002, 2004); and the Sun’s capacity to replicate itself/planets can be explained in terms of the Solar Nebular Model and the evolution of the Sun through the red giant phase.

Concluding Remarks

The two major results of this study, if they survive the test of time and I have no reason to believe that they would not, will have major implications. The demonstration that ancient Hindu seers may have unraveled some of the mysteries of the universe begs the question: How did they do it without the technological assets that modern science possesses? The finding that the Sun apparently replicates itself periodically is profoundly important for the understanding of cosmic processes and for the evolution of life and its distant fate. Lastly, the conclusion that the event that took place some 13.7 Gy ago marking the onset of the (current) universe was a seminal event irrespective of whether the universe is conceived to be cyclical or one that began with a bang may turn out to be equally important in reconciling conceptual differences between competing models of the universe.

Nagaraj Paturi

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A recent post by vidwan Sri Sivasenani Noriji on "Saabarabhashya and the physics of sound "
 
is at
 

Nagaraj Paturi

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Margie Parikh

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Namaste,

I am no expert in Sanskrit language, but based on what I have read from the Vedas with the help of translations, I understand that anyone who approaches Vedas expecting technical manuals would be disappointed.  

I understand that, they are instead, the unignorable source of *values* that should guide the search and development of science and technology. What constitutes relevant and valid science and technology changes over time. But perhaps, someone who pursues scientific research and development after studying relevant parts of the Vedas, they would have had nothing to lose, but so much of sensitive, poetic, pre-scientific inquisitiveness about the possibilities and directions. Nasadiya Sukta and Bhumi Sukta are cases in point.

Best wishes,

सीताराम

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I dont want to sound of opinions but this may be a worthy video to watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u3f7_p1i8c

Everyone does not have views like Mr. G S S Murty.

देश को जितनी हानि दुर्जनो की दुष्क्रियता से होती है, उससे ज्यादा सज्ननों की निष्क्रियता से होती है । चाणक्य Serial.

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Nagaraj Paturi

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>I understand that anyone who approaches Vedas expecting technical manuals would be disappointed.  
 
Yes, this probably means that expressions of disappointments, if there are any in this thread or elsewhere can come only from those who can be as naïve as to be able to look for technical manuals in the Vedas.
 
>I understand that, they are instead, the unignorable source of *values* that should guide the search and development of science and technology.
 
This is also a very good point.
 
It is particularly from Environmental literature that we are getting new understandings that (a) Technology invented and employed by a society is influenced by the worldview and values of the society. The presently employed environmentally harmful technology has been identified to be a product of a worldview and values that were anthropo-centric, nature-control oriented and nature-inimical.
 
It is in this literature that western society, western tradition and western values get highest blame.
 
Lynn White Jr, in the article "Roots of the ecological crisis" points out loss of pre-Christian animist traditions as the source. (Sharing the pdf here)


Contras this with the values in the Vedic tradition: 

सहयज्ञाः प्रजाः सृ‍ष्ट्वा पुरोवाच प्रजापतिः ।

अनेन प्रसविष्यध्वमेष वोस्त्विष्टकामधुक् ॥ 3\-10

देवान्भावयतानेन ते देवा भावयन्तु वः ।

परस्परं भावयन्तः श्रेयः परमवाप्स्यथ ॥ 3\-11

इष्टान्भोगान्हि वो देवा दास्यन्ते यज्ञभाविताः ।

तैर्दत्तानप्रदायैभ्यो यो भुंक्ते स्तेन एव सः ॥ 3\-12

यज्ञशिष्टाशिनः सन्तो मुच्यन्ते सर्वकिल्बिषैः ।

भुञ्जते ते त्वघं पापा ये पचन्त्यात्मकारणात् ॥ 3\-13

There is a description of eco-cycle and need to follow that in the verses following the above.

अन्नाद्भवन्ति भूतानि पर्जन्यादन्नसम्भवः ।

यज्ञाद्भवति पर्जन्यो यज्ञः कर्मसमुद्भवः ॥ 3\-14

कर्म ब्रह्मोद्भव।न् विद्धि ब्रह्माक्षरसमुद्भवम्। ।

तस्मात्सर्वगतं ब्रह्म नित्यं यघ्Yए प्रतिष्ठितम्। ॥ 3\-15

एवं प्रवर्तितं चक्रं नानुवर्तयतीह यः ।

अघायुरिन्द्रियारामो मोघं पार्थ स जीवति ॥ 3\-16 

Thanks for inspiring me to share these views.

Nagaraj
 
 
  
 
  

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Dear Professor Paturi,

Thanks for your encouraging response. I presented a paper at FLAME in 2012 at the KGC. I wish I had known about you then. I would have met you.

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