[salmon-user:00308] Re: Question about time evolution of external electric field

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Mitsuharu UEMOTO

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Nov 11, 2024, 12:37:35 AM11/11/24
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Dear Haruto Miura,

Thank you for your interest in our code.

The phenomenon you pointed out is a straightforward effect representing changes in the direction of molecular polarization irradiating the different electromagnetic fields.
The multiscale calculation is coupled simulations of electromagnetic fields and electronic systems, allowing for the computation of light pulses propagating a uniform material. This calculation also takes account of the generation of the electromagnetic waves by induced polarization of molecules. Specifically, when the molecular orientation changes, the induced polarization direction is reflected in the electromagnetic field, propagating to adjacent cells and altering the electric field amplitude within each cell. The SALMON code includes such effects in its “external electric field” of output; the same effect also appears in the forces acting on the molecules.

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Mitsuharu UEMOTO (Assist.Prof. / Ph.D.)
E-mail: uem...@eedept.kobe-u.ac.jp Phone: 078-803-6497
Department of Electrical and Electronic Engineering,
Graduate School of Engineering, Kobe University
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神戸大学大学院工学研究科電気電子工学専攻
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送信日時: 2024年11月11日 13:43
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件名: [salmon-user:00307] Question about time evolution of external electric field

Dear salmon users and developers

My name is Haruto Miura ,and I'm a graduate student in the school of Science and Engineering at Yamagata university.

I am performing multiscale calculations based on Exercise 7. In a previous inquiry, I was informed that these calculations assume a uniform electromagnetic field, considering the dipole approximation. I attempted to check the angle dependence of the force magnitude on each atom by changing the molecular orientation. However, when I compared the time evolution of the external electric field in Si_m/mxxxxxx/Si_rt.data for each orientation, the values turned out to be different. Since I only changed the molecular orientation, I expected that only the force magnitude on each atom would vary, while the time evolution of the external electric field would remain the same. Is my understanding incorrect? I will attach the code I am using to this email.

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Haruto Miura.
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Nov 12, 2024, 12:31:55 AM11/12/24
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Dear, Mitsuharu UEMOTO-san

I appreciate your help and quick response. Thank you.
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2024年11月11日(月) 14:38 Mitsuharu UEMOTO <uem...@eedept.kobe-u.ac.jp>:

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Nov 12, 2024, 11:59:51 PM11/12/24
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Dear, Mitsuharu UEMOTO-san

I have additional questions I'd like to confirm.
In the previously attached rt.data file, the values of E_tot and E_ext were the same.
If the electromagnetic field induced by polarization is also included in E_ext, can the values of E_tot and E_ext in the rt.data be the same?

Best regards,

Haruto Miura.
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2024年11月12日(火) 14:31 三浦 遥斗 <t232...@st.yamagata-u.ac.jp>:

UEMOTO(mobile)

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Nov 17, 2024, 2:39:55 AM11/17/24
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Dear Mr. Haruto Miura,

(Due to an issue with the mailing list, I am replying from a different
address this time.)

> If the electromagnetic field induced by polarization is also included in E_ext, can the values of E_tot and E_ext in the rt.data be the same?

In the current implementation of the program, the external electric
field (E_ext) and the total electric field (E_tot) represent the same
information.

In older versions of the program, we used a calculation method known
as the "longitudinal boundary condition."
In that generation of the program, the external electric field, the
screening electric field caused by induced polarization, and their
total electric field were calculated separately.
However, in the current "transverse boundary condition" approach, both
E_tot and E_ext represent the effective electric field amplitude
acting on the electrons within the matters.

Best regards,

Sincerely,
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Mitsuharu UEMOTO (Assist.Prof. / Ph.D.)
E-mail: uem...@eedept.kobe-u.ac.jp Phone: 078-803-6497
Department of Electrical and Electronic Engineering,
Graduate School of Engineering, Kobe University
植本光治(うえもとみつはる)
神戸大学大学院工学研究科電気電子工学専攻
〒657ー8501 神戸市灘区六甲台町1−1

2024年11月14日(木) 15:26 三浦 遥斗 <t232...@st.yamagata-u.ac.jp>:

三浦 遥斗

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Nov 18, 2024, 12:44:29 AM11/18/24
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Dear, Mitsuharu UEMOTO-san

Thank you very much for your prompt response despite your busy schedule. 
I deeply appreciate it.

Best regards,

Haruto Miura.
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2024年11月17日(日) 16:40 UEMOTO(mobile) <mit...@gmail.com>:
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