Telugu, Sanskrit

[Narayana Gaddipati]

Babji,

I think the more we explore a language, the deeper, and broader it looks.

We like the languages we know most.

 

As for Telugu, yes, it is very rich. It is not true that Sanskrit was its origin.

It is ancient, and rich on its own. Sanskrit is Aryan (the language of the

Vedas) whereas the south Indian languages have a Dravidian origin. Even without

the influence of Sanskrit, Telugu literature was quite diverse and insightful. Remember

the lesson 'Jaanapada Kala Vaangmayamu'? (8th class Telugu).

 

The addition of Sanskrit diction, and literature would have clearly been due to the

fascination of the literature and vocabulary of another ancient and vast language.

The two most important aspects of Sanskrit are i) terseness (so much conveyed in

so few words)  ii) A certain rhyme and rhythm in the phoenetics. Telugu poets and scholars

would have naturally been enticed by the many classics in literature and great stories that Sanskrit

brought along.

 

To draw a parallel, look at what is happening with English in Andhrapradesh. The language is

keenly learnt, for what it brings to their lives, it's not literature, but something else, some other lure,

shall we say jobs? maybe. But, for a scientist or engineer, the lure is very real, since so many

works of research have been done in English. ( yea, I hear, how about German, Chinese, Russian,

French?). Here, I am mainly concerned about Telugu and influence on it by another language.

We could translate to Telugu, but unfortunately, we are still in a quandary over whether we should

be using the poetic(Sanskritized) Telugu or the original Telugu.

 

Without straying too far from the subject, when I look at Telugu today, it looks like the Missouri-Mississippi

river system. Together, they make the longest river in the world, but each has an enormity of relevance and

bondage to the people around itself.

 

Now, for a more Saikorian dialogue on Telugu, let me narrate something very interesting. Late Mr. P. Mohan rightly talked to me about the unintelligibility in SriSri 's poetry, on how he used Sanskrit every

step of his way, though he intended to write for the benefit of the common man. That was a very

powerful argument against use of Sanskrit to write in Telugu. Mr. Dharmarao then contended that

with SriSri's poetry, comprehensibility is not foremost, nor is it important, the rhyme and rhythm (the

way his poems and songs sounded) was more urgent. Remember, SriSri wrote in a manner that

was supposed to inspire and stir people to action! I still believe that both are powerful arguments

with great merit, the context should determine which argument appears more convincing.

 

-vn, 1308

 

----- Original Message ----
From: V Babji <vvb...@yahoo.com>
To: saiko...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:39:54 PM
Subject: Re: hi guys at Mumbai

Arey 1414,

 

Although Madan said he did not remember to have seen you this way....... I remember you as the wise guy who had this "I know what's on your mind" smile.

 

And as to your interesting comments about languages, I think the sweetest and the richest languate is Telugu. I am yet to see another language that has such diverse ways of expression and so musical (when spoken well of course......unlike the Raalla seema noise) as Telugu. If you noticed it, those who know Telugu language, you will feel at home when many other Indian languages are spoken at their best.

 

For example, I can't make a heck out a Malayali conversation, but, when some well-read Mallu speaks the rich, poetic and impressive Malayalam, I understand most of it. This is because the originals are all derivatives of Sanskrit and Telugu is the closest to it than any other language.

 

The only other language I see so rich... funnily is Hindi. May be, again, due to it's similarity with the mother of all languages.

 

Cheers,

 

Babji

PSRK Reddy <kr...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Good one Satyam :)


Worked in many places.
Have just one wife :(


Picked up few words (not much. worse than Jack, leave
alone mastering) here and there from fellow
passengers of this life's journey. Forgot most due to
aging :( Hope to end this journey at the
starting point, Kadapa village, soon ('kaadeddulu
ekaramu nela') :)

While on the languages, as many of you know, Mandarin
(and its companions) seems to be the one difficult
to scratch. It's tonal and any syllable can be uttered
in 4 difft ways. Otherwise simple - no he or she, no
past or present tense etc (and those guys carry that
aspect into their English!). On the other hand, if you
know English (and have time and patience), Spanish
seems to be a breeze.

Have a good one,
regards.



--- Satyam B wrote:

> If (PSRK TamilNadu || PSRK
> TamilNadu)
> then
> PSRK knows Tamil
> else if (PSRK Tamilian || PSRK
> girlfriend who is>
> Tamilian)
> then
> PSRK Tamil
> fi
>
> If (PSRK Telugu && Hindi && English &&
> Tamil && Marathi && Spanish)
> then
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> printf ("How many wives/girl friends did/does PSRK
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> On Feb 11, 2008 11:38 PM, PSRK Reddy
> wrote:
>
> >
> > TSLN,
> > I was just kidding, Mumbaikar's way - hope you got
> it.
> > How are you dear TSLN, otherwise?
> >
> > Venky,
> > Naan chumma pesinaan. Unakku eppadi erukiradu inda
> > Mumbai? Hope you are enjoying the bigger crowds :)
> >
> > regards.
> >
> >
> > --- PSRK Reddy wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Tunda baath muth kar TSLN bhai. Chennai se aya
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> > > dosth. Dosth ko salaam karo, aur baraabar daroo
> > > pilao.
> > > Agar Juhu chowpatty (Centaur samjho) jarahe hai
> to
> > > apun bhi aanewala hai...
> > >
> > > milthe hai.
> > >
> > > --- Tella Shankara Laxmi Narasimha Reddy
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear ramesh
> > > >
> > > > can we take out some time on 16 feb and meet
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[PSRK Reddy]

VN G,
Ever since I heard, in Maurya, you had contributed to
a Telugu weekly, I always thought (at the back of my
mind) you are upto something big, big literary work
some time. Are you there yet? (apologies for asking
directly like this).

Coming to the rich Telugu, I guess the great doyen of
Carnatic music, Tyagaraju, is from some place nearby
yours (but did his work from Tanjore)? I'm mentioning
his name just to bring up the influence he has on the
Tamil folks - all singing Telugu,... legends like
MSSubba Laxmi etc.

regards.

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[Narayana Gaddipati]

I feel sheepish that I don't know much about Tyagayya's origins and life,
though I enjoy the music he wrote and composed. Some time soon, I shall
learn more about him. Didn't watch the movie either, for an instant account.
Again, sometime soon, I shall watch.

That reminds me of Annamaacharya (Annamaiah) from near your place, Tirupathi, Chittoor area.
The songs he wrote and sang in lord Venkanna's praise are supremely devotional.

Mahakavi Kshetrayya too.., and the many Vaaggeyakaarulu.

As for my literary pursuits, they have been just half hearted and never went out into the
larger world; just limited to college magazines. Here again, at a more leisurely hour in life,
I vowed to myself that I would write this chapter in my life to completion. Thanks for the interest
and checking.

-vn, 1308

regards.

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[V Babji]

Wow Veeranarayana,

 

I should have known that you read these mails. Well I salute you for the depth of your knowledge on Telugu language and others too for that matter.

 

You may be right about Telugu's Dravidian origin..... but what we have seen more is the Sanskrit-influenced Telugu which the best of the best poets have used. I unfortunately I have grown up respecting such Telugu. The real Accha Telugu never pleased me. May be because it was a bit alien to me.

 

As to PSRK's comments on the plight of a Telugu-perfectionist seeming out of place in modern world is understandable. And Amitabh Bachhan's use of English mixed Hindi is "fashionable". Honestly even I like to listen to his banter. In fact Hindi is the only language I note that gets so much mixed up with English and still pulls off an "impressive" image. Hindi spoken by people like Javed Akhtar with so much of Urdu influence to me is also impressive.

 

But the best is when NTR used to speak Telugu in the old movies more so in Pouraanik movies.

 

Cheers,

 

Babji

 

 

Narayana Gaddipati <ge...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Narayana Gaddipati]

Babji bhai,

I am with you on that. The influence of Sanskrit on Telugu is irreversible.

Achcha Telugu is mostly spoken by the many in villages who have difficulty

pronouncing or comprehending Sanskrit words. So, it is extremely popular.

It's only in literature that you find a good deal of graandhika Telugu.

 

A case in point is the recent effort by intellectuals from AP to have the center

confer the status of 'praacheena bhasha'. Tamil has already won that. The reason

they didn't give that status to Telugu is probably the wrong notion that Telugu is an offshoot of

Sanskrit. The great cinema geetha kavi Veturi refused a national award in protest

of this intransigence on the part of the central govt.

 

Regarding angrezi Hindi, it's just tide of time. The bigger issue is perhaps the irresistibility

of change, though the reactionaries among us would deplore 'change for change's sake'.

If it ain't broke, why fix(change) it? With language, if not with culture in general, there has to be a

certain baseline or definition of what it is, at least the essence of it. That said, the infusion of

new words and notions is quite natural and keeps the language evolving.

 

Yea, I read all the emails from this group. I didn't participate in any others so far; if I did, I wasn't

active one bit.

 

PSRK, 'two tracks' is dreadful. I always felt that one track was reasonable. Mr. Koteswararao,

who was my NCC instructor, always energized my troop with the 'two track' starter, which I personally

thought in my mind, was actually 'de-energizing'. M. Ramesh, and I think TSLN, were in that troop too, as

also the many good friends of 8th, 9th, 10th B.

 

-vn, 1308

 

[Satyam B]

Good points, Veeranarayana, Babji, PSRK.

In terms anglicizing of Indian languages, I understand its the tide of times. Yet, we - the people - are the bearers of any language, in their best forms. If not, these best forms may simply die. What the present generation talks (you've to watch talk show hosts on Telugu TV to know what they're influenced by) is Tinglish, no longer Telugu.

The sad part is - we are the "yuga sandhya" generation, where we've witnessed good 'traditional' Telugu in books, poetry, dramas, padyalu, lalita geetalu, even good old black & white movies; and now forced to watch hollywood versions & comics of our own epics with our children. This new generation simply hate black & white movies, and don't even know the sound of Telugu poetry.

BTW, Babji - have to say - SVR was better with Telugu pouranic dialogues than NTR. And, the same Amitabh was terrific with good Hindi in Sharabi.

Like Veeranarayana, or Babji, I haven't read much Sanskrit, but enjoyed quite many good Telugu books. Not only the new generation doesn't understand Telugu (even the simpler version), but they have no interest to relate to those times at all. For example, Satyam Sankara Manci's "Amaravati Kathalu". Simple in language, and great stories of early part of 20th century. Even 70's or 80's Telugu movies, look weird now. Many kids can't relate to any of them now.

A friend recently said, his son (11 years old) watched Maya Bazar several times, and knows all of the dialogues. He enjoys watching the movie with his grand mother. Envy him.

My point is - language can take its course/evolution. But left to itself, it'll be eaten live by English so much, we'll be the last men to enjoy the good ol' Telugu - as we know it!

Cheers,
Satyam

[Narayana Gaddipati]

The reason we are helpless is, the forces and necessities that drive the youngsters to
shun the old ways and embrace new ones are mighty and gigantic. What is the value
of a well made traditional movie? What is the career guarantee for a Telugu or a Marathi
major? more than a decade after the PC revolution, can we type in Telugu? if so, how
accessible is that software/hardware?

All basic questions that point more to ourselves, i.e, we don't
do enough and we don't strive to build a rich society that will make Telugu or the old ways
more desirable than the new fangled cultural elements

Peer pressure and labels are another force that young minds are not strong enough to withstand
and weather. Again, what can we do to extricate them from these?

Oh, the list goes on, the problem with social problems is, the problem and the solution are
wi(l)dely distributed. It neither begins nor ends with one person or one small manageable group.
Committed social work, and strong social movements seem to be the only recourse against
such veering trends.

Bring on more thoughts friends

-vn, 1308

----- Original Message ----

From: Satyam B <saty...@gmail.com>
To: saiko...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:56:39 AM
Subject: Re: Telugu, Sanskrit

Good points, Veeranarayana, Babji, PSRK.

In terms anglicizing of Indian languages, I understand its the tide of times. Yet, we - the people - are the bearers of any language, in their best forms. If not, these best forms may simply die. What the present generation talks (you've to watch talk show hosts on Telugu TV to know what they're influenced by) is Tinglish, no longer Telugu.

The sad part is - we are the "yuga sandhya" generation, where we've witnessed good 'traditional' Telugu in books, poetry, dramas, padyalu, lalita geetalu, even good old black & white movies; and now forced to watch hollywood versions & comics of our own epics with our children. This new generation simply hate black & white movies, and don't even know the sound of Telugu poetry.

[Milind Talpallikar]

Hello All:

Here are my ramblings. Take them with a sack of salt.

I have been reading about telugu, hindi and sanskrit. Great Languages. I learnt all the three and throw in Marathi [my mother tongue]. I have been exposed to Urdu since my childhood. My father did his MS in Chemistry in Urdu Medium. Now my wife [who is from Kerala] is teaching my kids and me Malayalam.
 
It is ridiculous to compare some of these languages with English. I understand there is some soft corner for one's first language and mother tongue etc.,  heritage, culture etc.

I am a Maharashtrian  who was born and lived in AP  went to college in UP and have lived out  of  India  for  nearly half my life.  Believe me  I know what it means to be a  person  who is the outside looking in.

English is the richest language in the world. For every expression in any language, English has 100 or it will by the time you finish reading this e-mail. Dynamic eh?

It is the easiest to learn and most difficult to master. Like life.

The world's economy, commerce and literature is running on English. More words are written/spoken/typed/texted  in a day in English than some of the languages like Marathi for instance in their entirety.

Richness in a language does not mean "one word means so much" or how poetic it sounds. It means how you easily you can express your ideas many different ways and how easy it is to adapt to it and how easyily does it adapt.

Bluntly speaking, English has unified India more than any language, religion, caste, heritage, culture, color of skin has. Some[Jayadev and Chanti for instance] might argue that it is cricket. India's adaption of English [even without its liking] has put India as a player on the world map.

Talking about religion, heritage and culture.. we will leave that for when we are in our 50s.

One last shot [what's bad language between us girls?]
I believe..  I believe that Pali, Sanskrit and its subsequent derivative languages are so difficult to learn that it was easy for the Hindu "elites" in the "olden days" to keep 80% of the folks uneducated under the auspices of religion. Wonder where we would have been..........

These are my ramblings. Take them with a sack of salt.

Milind

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[Satyam B]

Milind, glad you're chipping in. You do bring in a "global Indian/Citizen"'s viewpoint. Having been there for a few decades, there are no easy answers to what you've put forward.

One easy answer is - English and thereby a worldly education/understanding is almost a must - no matter where you are and what you do. I've even heard some Pujari's (temple priests) in AP, that've started learning SAP and went off to IT. (Not) Surprisingly, they were extremely fast learning the new gobbledygook!

Unlike Milind, I left India/AP/Telugu for the first time in '87 and thought hard about what I should align myself with. That was the time the famous article - "X+1 Syndrome" - made rounds. What should I do now, make it into a habit - that'll set the foundation to my children/future generation!!

I've observed the NRI kids in late '80s and early '90s. Here were some observations, about X+1.
1. If my son grew in US, and all he liked and enjoyed were ONLY McDonalds/BurgerKing - whats wrong with it? Key word is - ONLY.
2. Whats wrong in eating beef or pork?
3. If he was excellent in English and integrated well with the locals, and not even visit India/Indian (when you're outside India, you no longer talk about just Telugu :-)) stuff, whats wrong?
4. And should I really put in efforts to take him to a temple? Why should I teach him about our religious rites, etc?
5. When the grand parents visit, if the kids don't just GEL with them, whats wrong with it? Thats the difference even a Hyderabad kid shows with his grandparents from Bheemsingi.

That was the culture that I've signed up for .. WHY COMPLAIN?

By the way, regarding some of these concepts - I've found an excellent movie recently - exploring these cultural gaps - "Namaste London". Do watch it if you can. It has some excellent elements and discussions!!

I've discussed and thought hard about - not just Telugu - but Indian stuff over all. What should I keep/follow and how much should I pass on to my children?

Hope it's not getting boring for you guys! I'll end my ramblings for now.
Cheers,
Satyam

[V Babji]

Guys,

 

I am really enjoying these discussions. I do relate to these intellectually.

 

Everyone has meaningful thoughts. Veeru's passion for Telugu language is contageous and the depth of his knowledge on languages in general is highly impressive.

 

Milind's obvious tendency to back "English" as a powerful language is quite understandable. I think Milind you are the most globalised amongst us and there is absolutely nothing wrong about it. We all adapt ourselves to circumstances and in some ways search for the circumstances that we have desired somewhere in the confines of our minds. And remember, I have enough of liking for the English language and I insist that my kids converse in this language, as I know that it will make them as global as possible. And again this is "my" desire. They could end up doing something totally different.

 

But Milind, I thought we were discussing the beauty of Telugu and clearly not undermining English language. The concern was about people mixing up languages in the same sentence. There is no doubt about the universal appeal and acceptability of English and how it is uniting people from different parts of the country and the world for that matter. I think it's status in the world has come about due to the colonialisation by the Brits and the fact that the English lifestyle (and of course the language) were seen by many civilisations as being "Stylish" that was worth copying / following. At the same time "richness" is "richness" and to some extent it does not include "poor". So if words express something that only a few can relate to that could be intellectually a "rich" expression, not necessarily universal. So when we speak about "rich" language it does not cover your analogy of a language that is "easy" to express. And who can doubt how English has influenced economy, commerce, science and civilisations?

 

And Satyam, the issues of family relationships, cultures, religeous beliefs are often mixed up, though in our lives these things do overlap on each other.

 

On relationships, I am aware of the challenges faced by an Indian family living in USA, where the children struggle with relating to grandparents who are living in a small village in India. The issue is lack of association. How can we expect a child to cuddle someone who is a "stranger" just because he/she is supposed to a grand parent? On the contrary, I know some of the ultra-modern kids in the USA who really love their grand mother because she was involved in bringing them up (albeit in USA). So the key is to drive and nurture in your kids what you think is important to you. Be prepared to end up with a different result. Also remember that although your objective could be noble, your method of influencing the child could be grossly wrong/ineffective.

 

On my part, fortunately, my girls love their grand mother more than my brother's kids. Incidentally, my mother lives with my brother. My kids have had very limited time with her in a year. But we have always driven home the message that grandmother is the seniormost and we all have to respect and love her. We never approved anything different in the formative years. Something we find ourselves fortunate (again this is purely my perception and does not necessarily reflect my friends') to have succeeded in this area whilst we seem to be failing in fluencing a thousand more areas.

 

Good to share my thoughts as well.

 

I would like to hear some more reviews by guys like Sekhar, some of our fouji mates etc who could have similar challenges?

 

Cheers,

 

Babji

Satyam B <saty...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Narayana Gaddipati]

Agreed Milind, English is the most successful language. I guess it was all the result of some

grand strategy, and brilliant tactics on the part of the Anglosaxons just after they found

use for gunpowder and explosives. Military campaigns and conquests may have been

primarily motivated by the immediate gains of wealth and other goodies, but they had the

more insidious spoils in the form of a larger footprint on the cultural firmament of the world.

Some hard luck too may have played its part in favor of the English; otherwise Spanish, or even

 German could have taken the place of their language.

 

Darwin's theory of organic evolution has by now become the central theme of all branches of

Biology. From a recent course in American History of late ninteenth and early 20th century, I

understand that Social Darwinism provides some rationale for capitalism. However, it seems

to be Cultural Darwinism that drives the competition, rivalry, and even aggression, among

 nations. 

 

Regarding the use of Sanskrit or Paali to the exclusion of the masses, I don't think there was any

significant concerted effort to exclude any group. Personally, I think, everyone can learn a

new language, it is just how much one stretches one's self to learn it, and how much one is

interested in it. One powerful incentive for me to learn any new language is the thought that it

opens a large window into another culture, and surprises us with the continual knowledge of

how another people have looked at life.

 

Satyam, the very variability of X in X+1 explains how hard a decision it is, to go back to

your origins, or to adapt and live it out well into the future. Either decision brings some

finality and closure to the vacillation. The more I muse over it, the more it appears that

both are equally good decisions, and have pros and cons.

 

-vn, 1308

 

[1305]

Here's my 50 paisa worth on languages ...


For me, language stripped to its basics is nothing but a medium of
expression.
Do we qualify a medium as good, successful, better, best, sweet etc?
I don't think I can.
Is the syntax, grammar & idiom of one language better or more
successful than another?
Again, I don't think so.
It is always how one uses a language gives it its character or
quality.
Do we really ask a Picasso or Michelangelo or a Ravi Verma what paint
and type of canvas they used for their art?
I would guess all these artists would have produced masterpieces even
with a piece of charcoal and a cardboard.


Even if I can pass every test in grammar, comprehension and usage of
Telugu and even if I can copy the exact style of calligraphy of a
Annamayya or a SriSri .... I think you are getting the drift.

I would always consider Bill Gates a rich man not because he is worth
so many billions of dollars but because how well he has put that
medium of exchange to work by sponsoring some of the largest programs
in disease control and mitigating the human suffering.

So, why do I learn a language?
Because it let's me learn about the culture of a particular set of
people be it a nation or an ethnicity or because it makes my day to
day chores a little bit easier.
I can never appreciate the romance and the philosophy in an
Annamacharya Sankeerthana if I cannot understand Telugu. (I consider
Sri Annamacharya to a be not only a romantic and philosopher poet but
also an environmentalist, socialist and a critic of his times).
The angst and anger of the oppressed is most effective portrayed by
Sri Sri and you can understand it and feel it only if you know Telugu.

And, whatever little English I know is certainly putting the Daal on
the table for my family.


How come one particular language is spoken by more around the world
than others?
Is it because it is a "better" language or an "easier" one or is there
some other quality that makes it popular?

In my opinion the world always speaks the language of the victors.
There is no denying the fact that the English once ruled the world.

Had Chengiz Khan and his sons been successful in conquering Western
Europe and sacked Rome, the French and the English ((They were very
close and they would have done it.) and had they ran over India and
installed one of their generals in present day Hyderabad we would all
be speaking a dialect of Mongolian now with a Mongolian key board on
out laptops. (Any idea what to call "gongura patchadi" in Mongolian?)

There are so many SAP consultants from Andhra working on projects in
US , me and my other SAP collegues always say even though SAP is coded
in ABAP , Telugu is the official language of SAP.


Eswar

>       ___________________________________________________________________________­_________

[PSRK Reddy]

Hi guys,

When I casually mentioned something about languages I
didn't expect you'll be pouring out like this! I'm
sure every one has her/his deep convictions, but let's
keep it light and spice it with some fun as well.

Aapadbhandava Sivaramaprasadu(1385) ekkadunnavayya?
Mundati laaga vachchi, chaloktulu visiri, ayyare,
mammalni aanandimpacheyakudada :)

Before I'm out of here, let me let out my quick
observations about English Aththa/Aunty and Telugu
Talli (or Marathi aayi, Hindi maaji, Gujarati maa
etc).

Ease of use - Once my 1st grade teacher taught me how
to read Telugu letters, I was able to pick up and keep
reading without problem. With English, even today I
have to ask somebody how to pronounce certain words.
You figure.

Which is dynamic? - Both equally good. The userbase
helps English, Telugu has the ability to gobble up any
word from any where (by adding a suffix u) and
make it its own - otherwise it would have been heading
towards a museum by now.

Which is beautiful? It's a personal feeling. Both have
variety of expressions, but I think Telugu has edge,
with all those padyalu, gadyalu, geyalu, veedhi
natakalu, harikathalu, burra kathalu, suddhulu, ...
end less (produced by past generations). In general,
English music/songs (punk, rock, heavy metal, soul,
jazz, country etc) rev one up and produce heat, but
with Telugu I generally fly around in mountains!
Probably the Telugu letters (script) themselves are
curved and beautiful.

God bless us all. Over to Sivaramaprasad.

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[1305]

Hey Satyam
I just read that article : X+1 syndrome. How very true.I think all of
us here suffer from it to some degree or other.

My pet excuse for staying here is " I am here for the kids education.
As soon as my daugher is through with her college I will head back"
.
But, Will I? :-)).

Eswar

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[PSRK Reddy]

I thought the X+1 is a kinda history now. I see a lot
of people happily going back these days.

--- 1305 <pep...@yahoo.com> wrote:

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____________________________________________________________________________________

[Easwar Nash]

Interesting telugu & sanskrit discussion.

 

Dynamic telugu language: The primary school (if it can be called that) I went to was in a small village called Kolluru (near Tenali, Guntur district). We were about 100 students from preK-5th grade all sitting under a tree and we had 1 teacher (who did double duty as a priest in a temple - that's a hilarious story which I will save for another time). In the telugu alphabet I learned in that school I came across a vowel (alu) and a consonant (bandi Ra). I believe these two alphabets were eliminated from textbooks by the time I joined Sainik School because I don't recall seeing them in texts. I am glad they did that because there is just one word that I knew which used alu (aluthadheeshwara) and very few which used bandiRa (e.g., gurram).

 

So, telugu language is evolving. I still wonder why we need 56(?) alphabets - can't we do witj less? For example, while we have ka, Kha, Ga and Gha - in Tamil, there is only Ga. Also, there is no Ha in tamil (Ga is used instead) - for example, the famous Bobby song if sung by a true Tamil would go:

 

Gum Thum Eg Gamare me bundh go   :-)

 

Easwaranand

 

 

 

 

 

p...@yahoo.com> wrote:

I thought the X+1 is a kinda history now. I see a lot
of people happily going back these days.

--- 1305 wrote:

>
> Hey Satyam
> I just read that article : X+1 syndrome. How very
> true.I think all of
> us here suffer from it to some degree or other.
>
> My pet excuse for staying here is " I am here for
> the kids education.
> As soon as my daugher is through with her college I
> will head back"
> .
> But, Will I? :-)).
>
> Eswar
>
> On Feb 14, 8:56 pm, "Satyam B"

[PSRK Reddy]

--- Easwar Nash <easwa...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Bobby song if sung by a true Tamil would go:
>
> Gum Thum Eg Gamare me bundh go :-)
>
> Easwaranand

Similar experience. The first time I had to stay in
Madras, I thought it would be a good idea to learn the
alphabet, started doing it (now I don't remember any
of it). Since they have one letter for ka, ga and for
pa, ba ended up reading Gopal as Kobal (like cobol)
before somebody ;-)

Btw, what's nash? From your last name?

regards.

[Krishna]

Dear PSRK

I am in Guntur attending a marriage hearing / enjoying Kaynana Thanthu;
lovely is the language whether understood or not!!!!
and now coming the present discussion, I would construe it as a Public
Interest litigation; I will not dare interfere or intervene but
keep listening to them with patience for I know how dramatically these
arguments culminate with out any final and firm conclusions, like a court
order!!! One who looses will cry in the court and one who wins will go home
and cry.
Any way with due respects to the serious debate - freedom of expression is a
fundamental right granted by Constitution of India and therefore every one
shall continue to express; but some how I feel that Milind is playing the
role Raj Thackre (if I am right) by foucssing Telugu loving people as one
who is opposed to English (which was never the aim of this discussion by the
learned boite 1308; how come this Marathi is provoking like this; (if not
provoking; some thing on those lines but with out such intentions); I know
that Marathis are descends of Shivaji Maharaj, but the tolerance levels are
not up to mark;
Any way before this ensues another controversy, I would stick to my initial
stand - KEEP EXPRESSING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE - so much that it ends
abruptly!!!!!

POPPINS

--------------------------------------------------
From: "PSRK Reddy" <kr...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 4:40 AM
To: <saiko...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: (Re: Telugu, Sanskrit) TSRPrasad (1385) please jump in!!!

[Milind Talpallikar]

Hello Krishna:

Boy. You put me back in place didn't you.

Thank you for clubbing me with folks from a state where I have spent less than 8 weeks of my life [mostly in transit at airports and trains and two visits to relatives]. I don't care about Raj Thackeray or his das. This virulent form of local social organized mafia come about when certain social fabric is disturbed. In US, the carpetbaggers led to the rise of KKK.

I do not believe in any organized religion and its value to society. I do not believe in any organized culture built around excluding people. I believe Indian languages segregated our populations as such.  I love english as a language. I have no other language. It was my natural reaction to put my "mother tongue" out there. My intentions were never to belittle your or Veeru's love for Telugu. I dont question it.

If I have hurt your feelings in the process, I apologize. Veeranarayana, I apologize.
Any one else, who feels slighted, I apologize.

I would be the first person to defend your right to call me intolerant Bohite in the tradition of Raj Thackeray.



If I have

[Easwar Nash]

Yes, Nash is an unofficial short for my last name. I used it as username when I got this yahoo account and it stuck with me. Nash is a mathematician (portrayed in the movie Beautiful Mind) and I use his work (game Theory) a little in my research.

 

I didn't know that pa, pha, ba and bha are replaced by "ba" in tamil. It must be similar with Cha, Chha, Ja Jha etc?

 

Easwaranand
PSRK Reddy <kr...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[muppa gopalrao]

Easwar

 

I thought it was short for Nyshadam.

 

Hi, Guys

 

Good going and keep arguing. We are really getting to know many new things.

 

In the other mail, Poppins had come up on Krishna's mail id and gave his verdict. And even the lawyer advised to continue fighting.

 

But please remember that these mails are mainly to educate/ entertain ourselves and nothing should be taken personal.

 

So Milind, please, don't apologise to anyone. You had expressed your feelings. If someone  does not approve them he can debate and prove that you are wrong. Otherwise he can just forget about it.

 

Nothing is meant to be personal.

 

PSRK, Geevn, Satyam, Babji, Milind, Easwar & Easwar and all others keep mailing. Though many people are not participating directly, they are following the discussions and I can tell you that these are educative.

 

We can start with a topic and if the arguments are exhausted/ the temper picks up, we can change to another topic.

 

Regards

Gopala Rao

Easwar Nash <easwa...@yahoo.com> wrote:

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[Krishna]

Dear Milind,

 

I think this is a forum where no one should apologize or use words like sorry etc., because never such situations will arise.

 

Before going further let me clarify one thing. The mail was sent by popins who was here in Guntur (the place where I stay) and he has sent it from my id.

 

The discussion was very interesting and though very I was tempted to write something I kept quite because I know that I am neither good at Telugu or English or any other language. But one thing I am good at is listening and that is what I have been doing. When PSRK wanted popins to come into the discussion (it is like adding 'masala' to the recipe) I just informed him and brought him to my office.

 

I very strongly believe in Newton's third law (action and reaction). You hate something or someone you are bound to get it back the same way. You love something or someone and again you are bound to get it back. As per  this law your apologies are returned back to you. Hope every one agrees with me.

 

What I have understood from all the mails related to this subject is each likes one language more than the other. Nobody hates anything.

 

I think popins is just playing the role of 'VIDHUSHAKUDU' (if I translate it in to English he will kick me)  in this discussion.  

 

No hard feelings, no sorry and no  apologies. Please know that there are lot people like me who get educated by reading these kind of mails so please continue the discussion.

 

thanks

Krishna

[muppa gopalrao]

Krishna,

 

I have already replied similarly in the other mail.

 

So Guys, you can see what is generaly there in our minds. Thus I would reiterate that we should keep discussions live without taking any personal offence

 

Regards

Gopala Rao.

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Guys,

Any Essay Competition is going on?
Go ahead please. Learning a lot.

I stand by Krishna & Gopal for INDIANISM.

------------manoharreddy_1319_rhino

[V Babji]

Milind,

 

I think YOU are offended and not others. So if any, you should receive the apology.

 

I respect your views about everything and they give us all a very specific perspective.

 

And whether or not English is your language for expression, never forget that you owe us all a visit to India some time (and make sure you cater to adequate time for the program) and it will be great to catch up. If you are in the country, I promise to make all efforts to reach and meet you.

 

And can we have some more of your thoughts before this topic dies down.

 

But one thing though, this junior Thakery scares me more than the old one..... to the point that he appears to have the capability to destroy modern India which seemed to be taking a good shape.

 

You should conntinue to build "National Integration" in your home - Telugu, Marathi, Hindi, Urdu, Malayalam and English - wow!!!he kids must be rarely gifted.

 

Cheers,

 

Babji

Milind Talpallikar <mili...@gmail.com> wrote:

[PSRK Reddy]

Milind bau (bhayya),

Sugamano?!! (kai mantos?).

You know Milind, we love you so much. Not just because

you are Tella-Pilli-Kar, left handed, and a giant in
studies, but also because you were/are very nice
person as such. All this fmail (fun mail) is chumma,
don't take it further.

You may not know but we simply love Marathi (seems
majestic when Bhimsen Joshi sings), Shivaji Maharaj
(we had lessons about Jija Bai and Shivaji - Shivaji
Ganesan got the name from the role he played), Lata
Mangeshkar, Gavaskar, Tendulkar, Madhuri Dixit etc.
And I was just trying to say that Telugu (or the
languagues [some facing extinction] from other parts
of world) may not have the power of English
(gotten from the brave sea farers) but is simply
beautiful and rich.

Probably you didn't interact with TSRPrasad, he is
such a cool kid. Whatever he says, I would take that
with a truck load of sugar. Otherwise I wouldn't take
the risk of asking him to make jokes here.

Ani ki kai Milind, Arjun ani Anjali bari aahethkaa?
Punah bhetooya.

Krishna, Gopal (cobol) and Ramprasad,

Sorry for the mishap. I thought the other guys were
getting too emotional and tensed up. Thought 1385 was
the one guy who could release that tension a bit,
before they broke down.

Easwar Nash,

I don't remember the Tamil alphabet any further, but I
guess they have difft letters for cha and jha. But
what is now going on in my head is, 'Nash spoke on
Nagaland. Nagpaul asked Nash why Nagaland
is called Nagaland. Nash replied its because Nagas
live there. What a Nice answer Nash!'.
Just trying to excercise brain cells with this Dr.
Seus NNNNNNNNN and N thing. Me a dumbo I could have
done it with NEAnand before anyway.

Before I get out, I heard there are people in Canaray
Islands who use whistling language. Cool,
you could be a mile away, and talk without a walkie
talkie. Only need to encrypt somehow.

See you guys!

[Easwar Nash]

PSRK,

 

Thnaks for the clarification on tamil and your play on Nash-nagaland-nagpaul was interesting.

 

On a tangential note, quite unrelated to telugu&sanskrit issues, I will discuss two things here, which have led me to rethink many of my opinions/prejudices:

 

1. Dharma Rao from SSK: After joining SSK in 1975, I continued wearing a small tilak on my forehead, which was a family tradition. About 2-3 weeks after joining school, Mr. Dharma rao called me aside (I was 11 years then). He explained to me that at SSK, all students dressed the same. Then he asked me a question: Since I wear tilak, should every other student at SSK put tilak on forehead as well? Or would it be better if, like everyone else, I stopped using tilak? His argument made a lot of sense to me and I stopped wearing tilak from the following day.

 

Of course, Babji used to wear a really large tilak - I don't know if he got a lecture from Mr. Darma rao too.

 

2. Bertrand Russel's essay: One of the nice essays by Russell is titled: Why I am not a Christian - it is pretty easy to replace the word Christian with another (e.g., Hindu, Jew, Muslim etc.)  I think it would be nice if everyone read his essay and ask themselves why they believe in what they believe in? The following URL contains the essay written in 1927:

 

http://users.drew.edu/~jlenz/whynot.html

 

Easwaranand

PSRK Reddy <kr...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 4:40 AM
> > To:

[Narayana Gaddipati]

Arey boss, Poppins did it again.
I was clueless how Srikrishna would have remarked
that way. So it was this practical joke from this
Saikorian Hyderabadi lawyer. Now, watch out for what
he is upto on April 1st. I know Milind took it lightly
but wrote his thoughts on the comments.

So, all along, there really wasn't any bad blood, nor
heated exchanges. But nice to see the concern from
our friends to see this group ever more cohesive.

After all, email is a limited means of communication.
Face to face, it would all have turned out to be
another 'dormitory discussion', only more heated and
with more conviction. So let's desensitize ourselves
a bit more during any of these discussions and also
show that famous Saikorian spirit

When I think of Maharastrians, I always appreciate
their fighting history. All of us know that hey have a
regiment in the IA named after them. Of course
the later day parochial ideologies are more political
and hence unscrupulous on the part of a handful of
individuals.

Cheers
-vn, 1308

--- PSRK Reddy <kr...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> Milind bau (bhayya),
>
> Sugamano?!! (kai mantos?).

____________________________________________________________________________________

Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.

http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

[shakina karyamsetty]

Hi everybody....all my friends,

just wanted to say hello, how are you all doing?have been going thru most stuff you all exchenage on line.nice/pleasure to see you all like that.

procee is going on for me to go back...God willing will leave by the end of this academic year.

felt like saying something about the rare species woman/wife in our lives.may be sometime later will share a few thingsif u all don't mind.

thanks for being there for one another and for me too ,ofcourse

before i close,when u can't fix something don't try to figure it out....just go ahead(life)

friendly

shakina

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[1305]

I would consider us to be all very lucky to have been together at
such a fine school where the only identity we every sought was as an
Indian first and a Saikorian next and nothing else. I do not recall a
single incidence where religion, caste or language played any part in
differentiating us from one another.
If a particular student was more popular or was given more importance
than others it was only because he excelled in something like
academics or sports or other activities. (I remember the best
treatment was reserved for those who had cleared the SSB & Medical and
were waiting to join NDA).
That is, a kinda pure meritocracy prevailed at school, which is always
more preferable to any other insidous reason like language or religion
etc...

One incident during one of those parent days stayed with me forever.
It was lunch time and in the dining hall one of the parents
approached, I think it was Mr.Kotiah (Sanskrit teacher?) and wanted
to know if everyone sat together for lunch or are there separate
arrangments .What he meant obviously was separate arrangements for
students and parents. Mr.Kotiah' took this to a higher plane and his
reply was something to the effect like "we do not have any kind of
differences in this school, sir, we all sit together and eat the
same food".



25 years after school is pretty long time and we have all changed for
better or worse but I believe we all carry those core values of
secularism and Indianess that we inculcated at school to this day. I
am sure we will carry these with us for the rest of our lives.

Eswar

On Feb 16, 9:02 pm, Narayana Gaddipati <ge...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Arey boss, Poppins did it again.
> I was clueless how Srikrishna would have remarked
> that way. So it was this practical joke from this
> Saikorian Hyderabadi lawyer. Now, watch out for what
> he is upto on April 1st. I know Milind took it lightly
> but wrote his thoughts on the comments.
>
> So, all along, there really wasn't any bad blood, nor
> heated exchanges. But nice to see the concern from
> our friends to see this group ever more cohesive.
>
> After all, email is a limited means of communication.
> Face to face, it would all have turned out to be
> another 'dormitory discussion', only more heated and
> with more conviction. So let's desensitize ourselves
> a bit more during any of these discussions and also
> show that famous Saikorian spirit
>
> When I think of Maharastrians, I always appreciate
> their fighting history. All of us know that hey have a
> regiment in the IA named after them. Of course
> the later day parochial ideologies are more political
> and hence unscrupulous on the part of a handful of
> individuals.
>
> Cheers
> -vn, 1308
>

> --- PSRK Reddy <k...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Milind bau (bhayya),
>
> > Sugamano?!! (kai mantos?).
>

>       ___________________________________________________________________________­_________

[ramprasad tumati]

Dear PSRK

Mission accomplished!!!!!!!!!
Causalities – one hurt (psychologically)

BAKI SAB BAKVAS (Bakvas means SAFE in WAR language –
too harsh a language)

Officer from Maratha regiment did not have the full
meal, sorry MAIL.
Had he seen my name below, he would not have even
reacted, leave alone replying!!

This is the final report of the entire war exercise
------------------

Here is the prescription for the HURT officer from
Military Hospital

“Advised to take one hour horse riding preferably with
out the saddle
OR in the alternative
Go for cross country soon after meal”

Military Doctor
Lt.Commander M.T.Abr... (Jat Regiment)
-------------------------

PSRK – here is a contingency -
Stir against the local government here, by the Cheruku
rythulu (sugar cane cultivating farmers) – HOW DO I
GET MY truck load of sugar!!!
--------------------------------------
An observation with comparison with out any motives,
caused a stir in the elite saikor 7482

Ah it is no surprise why the general public get
instigated with an opinion of some political leaders,
accompanied with malfides
---------------
"Orey lawyer,
You are again giving place to controversy"

Who is this Orey; who else our BABA JI – had he got
free time and of course VISA, he must have been in
Milinds house by now, trying to console him or even
forcing him to be consoled!!!

CONSOLED; this language is such, I am able to express
/ convey any thing; GREAT
------------------------------------

"Arey TSR"

Who is this? Ah Nash; How are you? My native place is
near to the village where you had your initial
schooling – I will take you there when you come –

Mean While MILIND, add “Vi” before this word “Nash” -
Great language no!!

Nash, there is one village by name “Emani” near to
your school; this still has the Ashram and the Ancient
method of teaching, even today.
Tha, Da, ka kha, ga, ma all are taught along with
conveying the purpose of life.
--------------
I got it. Yes, PSRK, there is a sugar factory nearby
in a village called “Jampani” near to Nash’s school!!
So no problem, I know people there; I will manage
“truck LOADS of sugar”.

OOH Great going; the language is such that I am
............
-------------

Eswar do send some X-ray photos AS WELL, showing the
in side “out”, but OCCASIONALLY, please
-------------------
MORNING SIR (Commanding officer – Gopal Rao)

Try this, if possible

“To avoid this sort of embracing situations (arising
out of tiresome lengthy discussions – at times too
heavy to carry)

You play the role of a class teacher and immediately
come out with a TIME TABLE!!!
Topic – specific
Time – fixed &
of course Send Progress cards in between!!
-------------------
Great relief; what do you say 1303

“Yet another controversy”
“Only relief is that this mail is not from my mail ID
or my office********”
------------------

VN - April 1st is too far??? Is it not?
-------------
AND finally, I look forward for mails from

Friendly
SHAKINA

Actually we have had many examples and exemplary
personalities who dealt effectively with length
debates / public issues.
One of our Ex – Prime Minister, never used to open his
mouth – yet if the issue persists, he would go on a
foreign tour – so simple
Another way out is to divert the public from the
issue.

Any way the discussions must go on; but certainly not
on the lines of those discussions & debates which go
on for days together in our Parliament / Assembly
sessions and finally ends with two words SINE DIE.

Katha Kanchi ki - Manum paniki (work)

POPPINS

____________________________________________________________________________________

[PSRK Reddy]

Oops, didn't realize girls were hiding in the group
and
smiling. Hopefully we were not e-punching each other
too hard. May be these friendly brawls will continue
into our 50s when the kids ((wo)men by then) will kick
us out and this board becomes a matrimony board and
these uncles become v-uncles (viyyankulu) and attend
emarriages - may be on iMarriage if Apple's Jobbs
keeps the punch till then....

Good tidings to you Shakina, in your upcoming
endeavors.

Ramprasad,

Keep your commentary flowing, remember your style
rocks and there are some silent fans. But, don't have
to become real apadbhandavudu Srikrishnudu and
run suddenly from Kalyana Thanthu and confuse people
:-) so at your leisure pls.

To rise to your level of story telling, I'll do one
thing next time. I'll just stop by at Kanchi and buy
some of the stories that are ending up there...

Anand NE,

Interesting ... I thought Mr.Dharmarao wouldn't come
out of his art world and would consider everything
else mundane. With me, tilak is not a big deal, and in
fact if there was an innovative design in our uniform
it would have been nice.

On a tangential note :) if prayers were a common
thing,
especially in the first year as a bring-along from
home, why only my friend Chandra (1412) was targeted?
(I know he won't take offence for this mention).
Whoever did it, Blues, you were too chilipi and I
storngly protest (atleast after 30 years!), your honor
Ramprasad pls take a note. I was actually expecting
somebody would call him Lenin - he was, by then,
prince of CPI in Proddatur (golden city in otherwise
Rappala Seema).

And thanks for the link... will read later.

--- ramprasad tumati <prasad...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Dear PSRK
>
> Mission accomplished!!!!!!!!!
> Causalities - one hurt (psychologically)
>
> BAKI SAB BAKVAS (Bakvas means SAFE in WAR language -

> too harsh a language)
>
> Officer from Maratha regiment did not have the full
> meal, sorry MAIL.
> Had he seen my name below, he would not have even
> reacted, leave alone replying!!
>
> This is the final report of the entire war exercise
> ------------------
>
> Here is the prescription for the HURT officer from
> Military Hospital
>
> "Advised to take one hour horse riding preferably
> with
> out the saddle
> OR in the alternative
> Go for cross country soon after meal"
>
> Military Doctor
> Lt.Commander M.T.Abr... (Jat Regiment)
> -------------------------
>

> PSRK - here is a contingency -

> Stir against the local government here, by the
> Cheruku

> rythulu (sugar cane cultivating farmers) - HOW DO I

> GET MY truck load of sugar!!!
> --------------------------------------
> An observation with comparison with out any motives,
> caused a stir in the elite saikor 7482
>
> Ah it is no surprise why the general public get
> instigated with an opinion of some political
> leaders,
> accompanied with malfides
> ---------------
> "Orey lawyer,
> You are again giving place to controversy"
>

> Who is this Orey; who else our BABA JI - had he got

> free time and of course VISA, he must have been in
> Milinds house by now, trying to console him or even
> forcing him to be consoled!!!
>
> CONSOLED; this language is such, I am able to
> express
> / convey any thing; GREAT
> ------------------------------------
>
> "Arey TSR"
>
> Who is this? Ah Nash; How are you? My native place
> is
> near to the village where you had your initial

> schooling - I will take you there when you come -

>
> Mean While MILIND, add "Vi" before this word "Nash"
> -
> Great language no!!
>
> Nash, there is one village by name "Emani" near to
> your school; this still has the Ashram and the
> Ancient
> method of teaching, even today.
> Tha, Da, ka kha, ga, ma all are taught along with
> conveying the purpose of life.
> --------------
> I got it. Yes, PSRK, there is a sugar factory nearby
> in a village called "Jampani" near to Nash's
> school!!
> So no problem, I know people there; I will manage
> "truck LOADS of sugar".
>
> OOH Great going; the language is such that I am
> ............
> -------------
>
> Eswar do send some X-ray photos AS WELL, showing the
> in side "out", but OCCASIONALLY, please
> -------------------

> MORNING SIR (Commanding officer - Gopal Rao)

>
> Try this, if possible
>
> "To avoid this sort of embracing situations (arising

> out of tiresome lengthy discussions - at times too

> heavy to carry)
>
> You play the role of a class teacher and immediately
> come out with a TIME TABLE!!!

> Topic - specific
> Time - fixed &

> of course Send Progress cards in between!!
> -------------------
> Great relief; what do you say 1303
>
> "Yet another controversy"
> "Only relief is that this mail is not from my mail
> ID
> or my office********"
> ------------------
>
> VN - April 1st is too far??? Is it not?
> -------------
> AND finally, I look forward for mails from
>
> Friendly
> SHAKINA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Actually we have had many examples and exemplary
> personalities who dealt effectively with length
> debates / public issues.

> One of our Ex - Prime Minister, never used to open
> his
> mouth - yet if the issue persists, he would go on a
> foreign tour - so simple

> Another way out is to divert the public from the
> issue.
>
> Any way the discussions must go on; but certainly
> not
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my cent......Telugu is like a Saree......may be beautiful to many......but very complicated to wear........clumsy to maintain......I think it is very difficult to move around with......English is........simple.....easy to learn and use.........very flexible to continue to develop.......may not be beautiful to some...........To me.....simple is always better......but after all Mother toungue.....can't disregard it this time around.

[V Babji]

Prasad,

 

I don't think there was anything accomplished or meant to be accomplished in these mails.

 

One thing though, your ability to express your views (obviously in English) has improved heaps and bounds since school days and studying law seems to have added the new dimention.......there is a distint flavour (effort) of legal terminology in what you write.

 

My approach is not to personalise anything............ especially if there was no history of animosity with the individuals in the past. We can act as hard as we could on a problem but should be soft on people.

 

And yes, pity distances and formalities restrict us....... otherwise, I would have loved to have a one-on-one with Milind though not to console him but to capture a different view point in detail.

 

Let's try to bring cheer to our friends if we can.

 

Babji

ramprasad tumati <prasad...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear PSRK

Mission accomplished!!!!!!!!!
Causalities - one hurt (psychologically)

BAKI SAB BAKVAS (Bakvas means SAFE in WAR language -

too harsh a language)

Officer from Maratha regiment did not have the full
meal, sorry MAIL.
Had he seen my name below, he would not have even
reacted, leave alone replying!!

This is the final report of the entire war exercise
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Here is the prescription for the HURT officer from
Military Hospital

"Advised to take one hour horse riding preferably with
out the saddle
OR in the alternative
Go for cross country soon after meal"

Military Doctor
Lt.Commander M.T.Abr... (Jat Regiment)
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PSRK - here is a contingency -

Stir against the local government here, by the Cheruku

rythulu (sugar cane cultivating farmers) - HOW DO I

GET MY truck load of sugar!!!
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An observation with comparison with out any motives,
caused a stir in the elite saikor 7482

Ah it is no surprise why the general public get
instigated with an opinion of some political leaders,
accompanied with malfides
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"Orey lawyer,
You are again giving place to controversy"

Who is this Orey; who else our BABA JI - had he got

free time and of course VISA, he must have been in
Milinds house by now, trying to console him or even
forcing him to be consoled!!!

CONSOLED; this language is such, I am able to express
/ convey any thing; GREAT
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"Arey TSR"

Who is this? Ah Nash; How are you? My native place is
near to the village where you had your initial

schooling - I will take you there when you come -

Mean While MILIND, add "Vi" before this word "Nash" -
Great language no!!

Nash, there is one village by name "Emani" near to
your school; this still has the Ashram and the Ancient
method of teaching, even today.
Tha, Da, ka kha, ga, ma all are taught along with
conveying the purpose of life.
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I got it. Yes, PSRK, there is a sugar factory nearby
in a village called "Jampani" near to Nash's school!!
So no problem, I know people there; I will manage
"truck LOADS of sugar".

OOH Great going; the language is such that I am
............
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Eswar do send some X-ray photos AS WELL, showing the
in side "out", but OCCASIONALLY, please
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MORNING SIR (Commanding officer - Gopal Rao)

Try this, if possible

"To avoid this sort of embracing situations (arising

out of tiresome lengthy discussions - at times too

heavy to carry)

You play the role of a class teacher and immediately
come out with a TIME TABLE!!!

Topic - specific
Time - fixed &

of course Send Progress cards in between!!
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Great relief; what do you say 1303

"Yet another controversy"
"Only relief is that this mail is not from my mail ID
or my office********"
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VN - April 1st is too far??? Is it not?
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AND finally, I look forward for mails from

Friendly
SHAKINA













Actually we have had many examples and exemplary
personalities who dealt effectively with length
debates / public issues.

One of our Ex - Prime Minister, never used to open his
mouth - yet if the issue persists, he would go on a
foreign tour - so simple

[shakina karyamsetty]

friends,

i remember what Mr.Kotaiah used to quote about a woman's capability thru different roles she has to perform.However to get a wife is to get goodness in life.sounding feminist oh no....

if woman is special  species by herself then our 74-82 batch of special saikorians are a boon to a woman and also a different species altogether .

trying to say u r all good huzs....

good day

Mr.kotaiah's reminiscences:karyeshu dasi  , karaneshu mantri , pujyeshu matha, sayaneshu rambha

more may be next time

thanku psrk atleast u recognized me

shakina

 

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Wow, we could get this reticent cricketer/carroms champ to talk(post).

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Hai Shakina,

Good to see some newperson on this never ending e-mails. What are you actually teaching in US. If I am not mistaken it must be Sanskrit. If it's so i really appreciate you.

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Dear Srinivas,

good to see ur response.ya...as u know how good i was at languages while at school u guessed me to be a langauge teacher...but it is an inverse operation....i am a math teacher for the past 17 years with an experienxe of 3years in the US.

However....i am a good math teacher  now....being born in the family of teachers i think i made a good teacher.Thank God for that.

How are u doing and ur family.let me know in detail if u don't mind.

thanks for the email

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Shakina,
 good to see you on the net. And should I say - appreciate the compliments - and glad to be part of the "species" with you all. I also think - this species is not so common. You take people from different backgrounds and groom them in a "secluded society" - a la "maro prapancham" - this is what we get. Add NRI life to that, thats "maro prapancham (squared)".
 And coming to the age old definition - it needs a redefinition, IMHO.
 What Veeranarayana said - "there is a he in every she" and vice versa - is more profound statement.
 I've copied this to the spouses email group too - hoping they'd also join this open topic.
 Cheers,
Satyam

PS: Poppnis - even if this topic is not related to an exact school activity, excuse this topic. There is a gentle lady talking here on an important topic, please spare this thread from your wrath :-)

[Milind Talpallikar]

PSRK:

I am doing fine.

Final Word on English..............
             
 For those of you who watch what you eat,              
here's the final word on nutrition and health.                     
It's a relief to know the truth after all those conflicting Nutritional studies.                    
1. The Japanese eat very little fat                   
And suffer fewer heart attacks than Australians.                      
2. The Mexicans eat a lot of fat And suffer fewer heart attacks than Australians.                  3. The Chinese drink very little red wine And suffer fewer heart attacks than Australians.                  
4. The Italians drink a lot of red wine And suffer fewer heart attacks than Australians.   
5. The Germans drink a lot of beers and eat lots of sausages and fats And suffer fewer heart attacks than Australians.                                  
CONCLUSION                        
Eat and drink what you like.              
Speaking English is apparently what kills you!

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[Madan Mohan Rao]

Dear Milind
Agree with you on English.
We may talk at length about any language but it has to be thru (this medium called internet which is) English and we are all standing on the platform called English directly or indirecltly. Initiative has been grabbed by English from Colonial & Industrial days and the domination continued. Once you are a leader (like in market) it is easy to market your other products like Literature, Religion etc... and that is what has happened. Irony is that their religion while piggy riding their technology & initiative always keeps condemning them for what they are doing but others assume their development was and is due to it and the religion silently takes credit. Eg.. even today some of the staunch Fathers argue that the Earth is in the middle of the universe and technology is a bane etc. But they use the technology most to propagate themselves. Betrand Russels Book " Why I am not a Christian " is a good treatise on this. Feel I am drifting from the topic. Eswar Anand was mentioning about this book few mails back so ....it came out. Was reading all the mails on the subject but did not participate. not sure whether I have put my ideas in order but know that I have dumped all at one go. Sorry need to rush ....

Regards
Y. V. Madan Mohan Rao

"Milind Talpallikar" <mili...@gmail.com>

"Milind Talpallikar" <mili...@gmail.com> Sent by: saiko...@googlegroups.com 02/23/2008 09:29 AM Please respond to saikor7482

To: saiko...@googlegroups.com cc: Subject: Re: Telugu, Sanskrit) TSRPrasad (1385) please jump in!!!

[1305]

Tshat ish why I sh...strated drinking lotsh of red wine
reshently...looksh like i don't know howsh to stop.

cheers!
Eswar

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