2m short pack gliders
Choff
I've been busy getting a HG rack system together for my car (VZ
Commodore). I've fitted a roof rack, got some straps made up and just
got a tow bar with a removable tongue installed. I plan to weld a back
support on the spare tongue and am looking into options for the front
support.
In the meantime I was thinking how great it would be if someone
invented a hang glider that could fit inside a car or on a normal roof
rack. The amount of hassles it would save for someone forced to travel
a lot to hang glide would be a godsend. Travelling by plane on
holidays would be easier and cheaper and using hire cars would be
greatly simplified.
After a little casual research I found this website http://www.finsterwalder-charly.de/
After choosing your language navigate to 'hang gliders and
accessories' and then 'hang glider features'. They describe how their
hang gliders can be short packed to below 2m in length. They also are
very lightweight and have other interesting design features including
anhedral wings. You can go straight to the page using the below link.
The link may be too long and not work hence the directions above.
http://www.finsterwalder-charly.de/html_eng/drachen/drachenfeatures.php
You can download their catalogue here (its 6meg and in the ‘download’
section)
http://www.finsterwalder-charly.de/downloads/komplettkatalog_18.pdf
Has anyone heard anything or had any experience with these gliders? It
would be great if the local manufacturers started making short packing
an easier option on their gliders.
What are your thoughts?
Best regards
Chris
Peter Allen
Research the Aeros target - it's a lot nicer looking - it also packs down to 2M (http://www.aeros.com.ua/structure/hg/target_en.php )
bloke in Vic is the aeros dealer - but larry con probably order one for you through the UK ( aeros are based in the ukraine)
if you want to see the quality of an aeros wing - there's a couple at strathalbyn - See Larry coz the dragonfly uses a specially strangthened Aeros Discus.
Stuart McClure
- Claire / Kev had a Minifex for a loooong time was retired when she
bought her Fun
snaplock system for tubing - http://www.finsterwalder-charly.de/html_eng/drachen/snaplock.php
I believe it had a good rep for handling, but ask kev
stuart
On Feb 13, 10:32 pm, Choff <ch...@mad.scientist.com> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> I've been busy getting a HG rack system together for my car (VZ
> Commodore). I've fitted a roof rack, got some straps made up and just
> got a tow bar with a removable tongue installed. I plan to weld a back
> support on the spare tongue and am looking into options for the front
> support.
>
> In the meantime I was thinking how great it would be if someone
> invented a hang glider that could fit inside a car or on a normal roof
> rack. The amount of hassles it would save for someone forced to travel
> a lot to hang glide would be a godsend. Travelling by plane on
> holidays would be easier and cheaper and using hire cars would be
> greatly simplified.
>
> After a little casual research I found this websitehttp://www.finsterwalder-charly.de/
>
> After choosing your language navigate to 'hang gliders and
> accessories' and then 'hang glider features'. They describe how their
> hang gliders can be short packed to below 2m in length. They also are
> very lightweight and have other interesting design features including
> anhedral wings. You can go straight to the page using the below link.
> The link may be too long and not work hence the directions above.
>
> http://www.finsterwalder-charly.de/html_eng/drachen/drachenfeatures.php
>
> You can download their catalogue here (its 6meg and in the ‘download’
> section)http://www.finsterwalder-charly.de/downloads/komplettkatalog_18.pdf
Stuart McClure
their suprine/prone harness how do you reckon you would throw the
chute?
http://www.finsterwalder-charly.de/html_eng/gurtzeuge/hg_gurtwahl.php
Ps do you like thier englich - maybe they mean hips or is this a
german term for something else
"For landing you need to sit up and mind to push forward the pensis as
far forwards as possible."
On Feb 13, 11:40 pm, Stuart McClure <stuart.mccl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ask Kev Cowie
> - Claire / Kev had a Minifex for a loooong time was retired when she
> bought her Fun
> snaplock system for tubing -http://www.finsterwalder-charly.de/html_eng/drachen/snaplock.php
Peter Allen
how do you reckon you would throw the
chute?
David George
Ben has a set of front rack that use suction cups to stick them to the fron bonnet, not sure where he brought them from but they look like an easy solution.
I put a driving light bracket on the front of my car and bolt the front rack to that. The bracet bolts on with the number plate, I used some bigger bolts to bolt it to a chassis cross member that is behind the nember plate and reinforced the bumper with some wood.
Dave
BTW Short packing / unpacking a glider isnt a quick job. It would be OK for taking a glider overseas but you wouldnt want to do it every day.
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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 23:41:48 +1030
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cyclops
decided to stick with his original plan to buy aussie made wing and
fit has car out with standard racks,end of speculation and
goodnight,cyc.
On Feb 14, 9:36 pm, Robert smith <highfly...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> of course not
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> > Subject: Re: [SAHG] 2m short pack gliders
> > Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 19:18:35 +1030
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> > Yeah but would you reccomend a discus to a newish pilot ??
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Choff
The Areos Target requires tools and a lot of time to set up from short
pack. Lots of loose nuts and washers for me to lose. It’s a more
modern glider than the Finsterwalder I think but the Finsterwalder’s
colour coded, tool-less short pack system certainly looks interesting.
I’ll look into a set of driving light brackets for my car as David
suggests and failing that maybe a nudge bar. I can use either as the
base for my front support. I think the suction caps are available from
places that work with large sheets of glass and it’s always another
option.
I’d prefer to buy an Australian made glider. Parts and service would
be easier to obtain. Those weird Finsterwalders still fascinate me.
They are very light and may be the idea glider for my fiancée when we
can afford to get a glider each. They enjoy a cult status in their
area, which may or may not be a good thing :o)
I look forward to the day when a glider can be set up form a small
package as quickly and a easily as those spring loaded tents but in
the meantime I’ll finish my HG car rack and take to the roads with a
6m long bag on my roof like every other HG pilot in Australia :o)
I hope to meet you all on the hill
Regards
Chris
On Feb 14, 9:36 pm, Robert smith <highfly...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > To: sa...@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [SAHG] 2m short pack gliders
> > Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 19:18:35 +1030
>
> > Yeah but would you reccomend a discus to a newish pilot ??
>
> > Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 14/02/2010, at 5:48 PM, Robert smith <highfly...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Areos Discus short packs for travel
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Peter Allen
Thanks for the replies guys,
The Areos Target requires tools and a lot of time to set up from short
pack. Lots of loose nuts and washers for me to lose.
Ive only just read the instruction manual in detail - yeah bugger that! -
I think Kev cowie's got the best setup. flys his HG or gets out his PG when its light - Sweeet!
I’d prefer to buy an Australian made glider.
dont paint yourself into a corner just yet ! - we've got a wills wing dealer here in SA. and people were saying the handling of the WW Falcon3 was sweet. - of course since then the Moyes Malibu has come out and people on the hill are saying that's even sweeter.
but it seems for 2nd hand value a Fun is almost unbeatable.
Airborne and moyes certainly dominate in australia - in fact its kinda boring - I'd like to see a Bautek, an Icaro, an Atos, a Guggenmos Esc XT...... oh well.
anyway, talk to the guys on the hill - I dont see richard or dave here on the internet much.
Helen McKerral2
The priority is to get you and your partner into the air ASAP. Don't be
held back by rack issues.
1. Scrounge or borrow an old wooden ladder (I have one you are welcome
to borrow, but will probably only fit one glider not two, you'd have to
check). Email me offlist if you're interested.
2. Strap ladder firmly to *standard* roof racks. Route additional
straps under boot lid & under bonnet lid, or to towball and bullbar, in
an X-shape to prevent twist in cross wind.
3. Sit glider on ladder, with a bit of bedroll padding if you wish (the
sort that sells for $4 per roll at $2 shops, you'll need 3).
4. Strap glider to ladder.
*Fin!*
Works on any size car, station wagon or sedan. Have seen it work on a
Holden Barina!
Worked for me and my glider for my first year or two of flying!
More ideas:
http://www.hanggliding.org/wiki/Car_Rack
Cheers
Helen
PS. O/S pilots strap large diameter PVC tube to their racks, but the
tubing is expensive and not suitable for long-term transport as there
are fatigue and wear issues on the glider. If you plan to store your
glider in a PVC tube later, it may be worthwhile to buy one, but not for
a stop gap solution.
Choff wrote:
>Thanks for the replies guys,
>
>The Areos Target requires tools and a lot of time to set up from short
>pack. Lots of loose nuts and washers for me to lose. It�s a more
>modern glider than the Finsterwalder I think but the Finsterwalder�s
>colour coded, tool-less short pack system certainly looks interesting.
>
>I�ll look into a set of driving light brackets for my car as David
>suggests and failing that maybe a nudge bar. I can use either as the
>base for my front support. I think the suction caps are available from
>places that work with large sheets of glass and it�s always another
>option.
>
>I�d prefer to buy an Australian made glider. Parts and service would
>be easier to obtain. Those weird Finsterwalders still fascinate me.
>They are very light and may be the idea glider for my fianc�e when we
>can afford to get a glider each. They enjoy a cult status in their
>area, which may or may not be a good thing :o)
>
>I look forward to the day when a glider can be set up form a small
>package as quickly and a easily as those spring loaded tents but in
>the meantime I�ll finish my HG car rack and take to the roads with a
Helen McKerral2
But seriously Chris, there are plenty of excellent second hand gliders
available, especially Funs (Mailbus are a new release so there aren't
many secondhand ones around yet). You don't need the latest and
greatest, better to get into the air in a secondhand glider sooner,
than a spanking new one two months from now. Frankly, as a very new
pilot you're unlikely to notice the relatively subtle differences
between floater gliders of the same vintage anyway and you won't be
pushing their envelopes for a while yet.
Check the HGFA website or your instructor, who will only sell you a
glider perfectly suited to your skill level. The advantage with going
with Oz manufacturers Airborne & Moyes (Ventura, Malibu, Fun) is that
parts are easy and cheap. WW Falcons are great too but the exchange
rate makes them dear, ditto parts/shipping. BTW, my hubby and I own a
few Airborne gliders, a few Moyes ones AND a Willswing. I've also seen
some nice Northwing & Aeros SS gliders but really, if finances are an
issue, a cheap secondhand Oz floater will see you through just fine. If
you have wads of cash to splash around, then by all means go US or
European, but designs tend to get adopted throughout the world, and
the latest versions of any glider - including Oz ones - are likely to
be of similar standard.
Peter Allen wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Choff <ch...@mad.scientist.com
> <mailto:ch...@mad.scientist.com>> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the replies guys,
>
> The Areos Target requires tools and a lot of time to set up from short
> pack. Lots of loose nuts and washers for me to lose.
>
>
> Ive only just read the instruction manual in detail - yeah bugger
> that! -
>
> I think Kev cowie's got the best setup. flys his HG or gets out
> his PG when its light - Sweeet!
>
>
>
> I�d prefer to buy an Australian made glider.
>
>
>
> dont paint yourself into a corner just yet ! - we've got a wills
> wing dealer here in SA. and people were saying the handling of the
> WW Falcon3 was sweet. - of course since then the Moyes Malibu
> has come out and people on the hill are saying that's even sweeter.
>
> but it seems for 2nd hand value a Fun is almost unbeatable.
>
> Airborne and moyes certainly dominate in australia - in fact its
> kinda boring - I'd like to see a Bautek, an Icaro, an Atos, a
> Guggenmos Esc XT...... oh well.
>
> anyway, talk to the guys on the hill - I dont see richard or dave
> here on the internet much.
>
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Adam Stott
bought and used once.
They've got a nice big plastic handle that you could probably bolt
something too.
Even thought your a Hang glider you can have them for free, if they
would be of use to you. :-)
I'm at St Marys. Phone me if you need them. 0458556185
Adam
The paraglider
(and one time hangie)
On Feb 14, 11:24 pm, Peter Allen <pgp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Never has tru'er words been spake! :)
>
> > including Oz ones - are likely to be of similar standard.- Hide quoted text -
Choff
Cyc sent me an email saying he can get the caps to Pirie for me
through friends who travel here every second week I'll give you a
ring.
Thanks for all the advice, help and information guys. It was most
helpful.
Chris
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Adam Stott
Hey Chris,
These are the holders I've got and how to turn them into carriers:
http://home.roadrunner.com/~joeschmucker/SuctionCups.html
Peter Allen
cyclops
rack,you can get profiled ally from capral (have to look in book for
nearest dealer) or you could ask the hang glider pilots that replace
their down tubes regularly,slightly bent but ok for projects like
yours,you could try Paul Kelley at the next meeting,he may have some
handy,stock could be getting short now he has his new harness and has
sorted out his landings,cyc.
Paul Kelley
Like Adam, I tried those suction cup thingies once too, but they
didn't make my dick any bigger - they're a scam! pk.