Re: [sage-support] Sage Live CD (Alternativ based on Puppy Linux)
Jeff Post
>
> Download:
> http://www.filehosting.org/file/details/113543/SageLivePupv02.iso
> 685 MB md5sum: 359f63129d4f3993bd890e4029b4d98f
>
If possible, please do not post your file on a system that requires a valid
email address from the user in order to download. Many object to exposing
themselves to possible spammers.
Jeff
emil
sorry I wanted to post this on sage-devel originally and removed it,
but then had no time to repost at sage devel (had to get membership
first). Also sorry about any inconvenience with this download server.
H. Schilly contacted me and maybe it will be available on the sage
mirror soon.
I append the original post, but I think this thread should be in sage-
devel. I could need someone willing to try/test it
and give feedback.
regards
emil
ORIGINAL POST:
Hello,
I created a Live CD (or USB install) for Sage based on the small Puppy
Linux distribution.
Compared to the ubuntu based sage42lwlcd.iso there are more
applications, Sage Doc and Tutorial.
Also there is more "bling" i.e. nicer desktop appearance.
Download:
http://www.filehosting.org/file/details/113543/SageLivePupv02.iso
685 MB md5sum: 359f63129d4f3993bd890e4029b4d98f
Since puppy linux is designed to be small and run well on low spec
computers i figured
it should be a good base platform for a big package like sage. I
tested it on
1 GB, 1.6Ghz and it is quite responsive and workflow seems to be ok.
I am no professional in the field and this is just a labor of love,
but I think
for some this alternative might be useful. It would be great if
anybody could test it.
A quick and easy method i.e is UNetbootin (no CD required).
thanks in advance
emil
PS:
I posted also on the PLinux Forum (screenshot there)
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=52582
and in the sage-edu list.
Jeff Post
> Hi Jeff,
> sorry I wanted to post this on sage-devel originally and removed it,
> but then had no time to repost at sage devel (had to get membership
> first). Also sorry about any inconvenience with this download server.
> H. Schilly contacted me and maybe it will be available on the sage
> mirror soon.
>
> I append the original post, but I think this thread should be in sage-
> devel. I could need someone willing to try/test it
> and give feedback.
>
> regards
> emil
>
I'd love to test it. Please let us know when and from where the iso file can
be downloaded anonymously.
Thanks,
Jeff
Alex Ghitza
> I'd love to test it. Please let us know when and from where the iso file can
> be downloaded anonymously.
Yes, that's pretty annoying. I've gone through it, downloaded it and
posted it at
http://aghitza.org/misc/SageLivePupv02.iso
Here is the md5sum to check if the download is ok:
359f63129d4f3993bd890e4029b4d98f
I'll leave this up until a copy makes it onto the official Sage pages.
Best,
Alex
--
Alex Ghitza -- Lecturer in Mathematics -- The University of Melbourne
-- Australia -- http://www.ms.unimelb.edu.au/~aghitza/
emil
Thank you Alex for your help,
Tt should be on the sage mirrors now!
Feedback would be appreciated.
emil
PKHG
Trying to burn, complained about not correct lenght.
So the dowload is 'wrong' I suppose
Maybe share it at another 'host'?
Greetings
Peter
> I posted also on the PLinux Forum (screenshot there)http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=52582
Peter K.H. Gragert
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emil
wrote:
> Trying now Alex link ...
>
>
> > I tried a download ... but got only 359 MB?
> > Trying to burn, complained about not correct lenght.
> > So the dowload is 'wrong' I suppose
> > Maybe share it at another 'host'?
> > Greetings
> > Peter
Hello Peter,
Thank's to Harald Schilly SageLivev02.ios is now mirrowed at the
official Download servers!
Link: http://www.sagemath.org/download-livecd.html
However, I would be very happy about feedback concerning:
* Bugs
* Localisation (it should be asked at first boot, but it might not)
* Hardware requirements (Processor, Memory - positiv and negativ
experiances)
* any Benchmarks
* Is there something missing (i.e. the jsmath-fonts .. )
and generally
* suggestions and feedback
thanks in advance
emil
Known Bugs:
1) Localisation menu is not called during first boot (german quertz
keyboard loaded by default)
Solve: Menu Setup>Mouse / Keyboard wizard>Advanced Xorg keyboard
configuration>Keyboard model> YOUR MODEL,
2) Wallpaper not stretched for different screen resolutions
Solve Menu>Desktop>Nathan Wallpaper Setter> Choose STRETCHED Radio
Button
3) Notbook in Browser window give Page Load Error
Solve: Wait till the sage server starts (in the console window) then
press Button Try again.
Comment: This should happen only at first start after boot. If you
have a slow computer it might happen always.
In that case you could edit the script /usr/bin/sagen.sh . Change
sleep 3 to a higher value (or lower if good machine).
4) Menu-<Fun-Jigsawpuzzle gives an error, because I removed a
wallpaper.
On Feb 20, 12:37 pm, "Peter K.H. Gragert" <pkhgrag...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Trying now Alex link ...
>
> 2010/2/20 PKHG <pkhgrag...@gmail.com>
> > sage-support...@googlegroups.com<sage-support%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com>
Peter K.H. Gragert
But, at this moment I do not know enough about Puppy Linux ...it seems that one can save the state on
a NTFS-drive ...(but yet very afraid to let it to be done)
It started with a GERMAN keyboard, but I could be changed to US-keyboard (though I had to gamble, Puppy-newbie ;-) ).
Without giving the option =RAM, it seamed to load and load and load, such that I stopped (ctrl-alt-del seemed to do that) ... and using F2 to see options ...
A friend of mine is interested and this seems to be a perfect way for an XP-PC...
Peter
Berkin Malkoc
> 2010/2/20 PKHG <pkhgrag...@gmail.com>
>
> > I tried a download ... but got only 359 MB?
> > Trying to burn, complained about not correct lenght.
> > So the dowload is 'wrong' I suppose
> > Maybe share it at another 'host'?
> > Greetings
> > Peter
Hello Peter,
Thank's to Harald Schilly SageLivev02.ios is now mirrowed at the
official Download servers!
Link: http://www.sagemath.org/download-livecd.html
However, I would be very happy about feedback concerning:
* Bugs
* Localisation (it should be asked at first boot, but it might not)
* Hardware requirements (Processor, Memory - positiv and negativ
experiances)
* any Benchmarks
* Is there something missing (i.e. the jsmath-fonts .. )
and generally
* suggestions and feedback
Thank you very much for this nice project; now it will be easier to impress friends at the university about the capabilities of both SAGE and Linux. I would like to share a couple of observations (of course these may have to do only with Puppy itself):
1- "Loading to RAM" took quite a while although my machine can be considered to be "new". Maybe user can be urged to be patient.
2- SAGE worked without any problems. (Also, seeing LyX installed was a nice surprise!)
3- I was not able to switch on touchpad clicking.
4- I was not able to connect to WEP secured wireless through none of the connection wizards (there were two different). It seemed to get IP number but no connection was actually established (I'm not an expert by the way!).
5- The screen was dim and I couldn't figure out how to make it brighter.
Regards,
Berkin
emil
> Thank you very much for this nice project; now it will be easier to impress
> friends at the university about the capabilities of both SAGE and Linux. I
> would like to share a couple of observations (of course these may have to do
> only with Puppy itself):
>
> 1- "Loading to RAM" took quite a while although my machine can be considered
> to be "new". Maybe user can be urged to be patient.
Normally Puppy Linux is just about 100 MB and loads completly to RAM
(if more then 256 MB RAM are found). The advantage is that
Applications open very very fast and one can remove the CD while
working. The Sage Live CD is 700 MB and I changed the configuration,
that the complete sywstem is only loaded when more than 1.5 GB are
found. Maybe it is better to force Option
pfix=noram? This can be done by default. The loss of speed is not
really an issue, but of course the CD drive will be occupied.
> 2- SAGE worked without any problems. (Also, seeing LyX installed was a nice
> surprise!)
I tested Sage and it passed all tests (sage -testall) at my machine. I
was lucky to find a nice Linux package containing Lyx at just 169 MB
(this was made by member of puppy linux forum didik from indonesia).
Since there is some space left I could also include texmacs (I tested
it in the meantime, it works, but seems not as responsive than the
rest of the system)
> 3- I was not able to switch on touchpad clicking.
This is some puppy linux related stuff. A good source to tackle such
problems is the puppy linux forum which is in general helpfull and
competent. I found this thread about touchpads.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=18339
You can edit the xorg.conf file by Menu>Setup>Xorg Video Wizard>Edit
xorg.conf
> 4- I was not able to connect to WEP secured wireless through none of the
> connection wizards (there were two different). It seemed to get IP number
> but no connection was actually established (I'm not an expert by the way!).
Hey I am no expert too. Maybe you try this HowTO
http://www.wikihow.com/Set-up-a-Wireless-Network-in-Puppy-Linux
Good Luck!
> 5- The screen was dim and I couldn't figure out how to make it brighter.
This can also be done in the Menu>Setup>Xorg Video Wizard>Gamma
Calibration
>
> Regards,
> Berkin
Please report back any quirks, bugs or also some things you like,
Current list to chage for the final release
1) fix localisation wizard for boot up
2) fix wallpapers to stretched
3) rework/complete build Html Help pages
3*) include texmacs
4*) change initial bootoption to noram
5*) include a wizard for swapspace
* I would like to have feedback on those changes
emil
thanks for your feedback
On Feb 20, 6:46 pm, "Peter K.H. Gragert" <pkhgrag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It works (this one:http://aghitza.org/misc/SageLivePupv02.iso on Vista)
> and seems to be very pretty for Windows users.
> But, at this moment I do not know enough about Puppy Linux ...it seems that
> one can save the state on
> a NTFS-drive ...(but yet very afraid to let it to be done)
Yes, NTFS drives are recognised. I copied and saved to NTFS drives now
for several months without problem. I even used the windows pagefile
"pagefile.sys" as swapfile (commands: mkswap pagefile.sys, swapon
pagefile.sys). But you are right - without open specifications a risk
remains.
However, the risk in creating a safefile is limited. Puppy Linux
writes the file only once (default size is 512 MB) inside this file it
has a Linux filesystem and if you run from CD, USB or frugal install
your personal files are saved there. I think I have an explanation
what is saved where in the HTML Help in the "Where is my C: drive "
section. Windows sees the file as a normal file which doesn't change
after its creation (with the exception if you resize it manually from
the Menu>Utility>Resize personal storage file). So if you create the
file, reboot to windows and perform a chkdsk /f everything should be
fine.
If possible I recommend to install the live cd to linux partition
(ext2 or ext 3, frugal install for the beginning). 10 GB is more than
enough. In addition one could choose to get 2 to 4 GB of a Linux swap
partition. This will be recognized and used at startup.
The Tool GParted Partition Manager is very convenient and easy to use.
If you get a warning sign for the windows NTFS partition you have to
fix the partition first.
Use chkdsk /f in command window inside windows and reboot (maybe twice
to get everything fixed). Howto is here:
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/using-gparted-to-resize-your-windows-vista-partition/
>
> It started with a GERMAN keyboard, but I could be changed to US-keyboard
> (though I had to gamble, Puppy-newbie ;-) ).
This is a BUG but can be easily fixed see other post
>
> Without giving the option =RAM, it seamed to load and load and load, such
> that I stopped (ctrl-alt-del seemed to do that) ... and using F2 to see
> options ...
Well, see post above, should be a feature, but maybe its better not to
load to ram by default.
>
> A friend of mine is interested and this seems to be a perfect way for an
> XP-PC...
Would be great if he likes it
>
> Peter
>
> 2010/2/20 emil <emil.widm...@gmail.com>
> > <sage-support%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com<sage-support%252Buns...@googlegroups.com>
Peter K.H. Gragert
I allowed to save pup-431.sfs as well as a pupsave*.2fs and now booting (just the default)
works well and because I did in /etc/keyboard (or so) the US-keyboard, that is OK too now ;-)
A problem is the WLAN , it sees it,seems to get an IP, but the encryption key (router says: WPA-PSK) and those other parameters
as 'managed' 'open' (radio buttons) give too much possibilities I will try later again ...
Otherwise It looks 'great'
Indeed, easy access to the C: HD to exchange info ... nice.
<snip old question and answers>
Greets
Peter
emil
> > 5- The screen was dim and I couldn't figure out how to make it brighter.
>
> This can also be done in the Menu>Setup>Xorg Video Wizard>Gamma
> Calibration
>
>
Hi Berkin,
I have to correct my answer, obviously the Gamma calibration is not
working as expected. I will try to fix this but can't promise.
There is a possible fix with the programm xgamma (I tried it, worked
for me)
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=29447
cheers,
emil
Peter K.H. Gragert
Peter
emil
On Feb 24, 12:40 pm, "Peter K.H. Gragert" <pkhgrag...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> By the way, via a ethernet-kabel I succeeded to acces the internet ;-).
> Peter
>
>
>
>
> > > > 5- The screen was dim and I couldn't figure out how to make it
> > brighter.
>
> > > This can also be done in the Menu>Setup>Xorg Video Wizard>Gamma
> > > Calibration
>
> > Hi Berkin,
>
> > I have to correct my answer, obviously the Gamma calibration is not
> > working as expected. I will try to fix this but can't promise.
> > There is a possible fix with the programm xgamma (I tried it, worked
> > for me)
>
> >http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=29447
> > cheers,
> > emil
>
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Hi peter,
Sorry for the hazzle, if you have nerves left for tinkering:
Howto wifi from commandline
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=22469
Any problems else, I might release a bugfix version until end of next
week, so please let me know.
emil
Peter K.H. Gragert
a try to make it directly (ISO) ok ..
Peter K.H. Gragert
I saved the Puppy files to HD D:
A copy to a USB -stick
renamed the files on D: because sometimes something goes wrong with shutting down and then starting Puppy
from USB has changed (e.g. nearly all desktopitems have vanished)
So saving sage worksheets and in case of emergency I have good Puppy files on D: copy again to USB and
the damage is resolved.
(Clear enough described?)
Greets
Peter