(William Stein) "my top priority right now is to **make a lot of money**"

[Nathann Cohen]

Quote from William Stein, CEO of SageMath Inc (private for-profit
Delaware company) [1]

So there is no confusion, my top priority right now is to **make a lot
of money** by building a profitable company on open source software
(Latex, Linux, Sage, Octave, R, etc.)

(full post)
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sage-devel/B3WnJr6S1bw/JQ_jvOITBAAJ

This post being entirely factual, I shouldn't be held responsible for
its content.

Nathann

[1] http://www.edgarcompany.sec.gov/servlet/CompanyDBSearch?page=detailed&cik=0001634867&main_back=23

[Andrew]

Nathan does give the link to the original post, but he is quoting out of context. Here is the full post:

On Sunday, 21 August 2016 07:15:56 UTC+10, William wrote:

So there is no confusion, my top priority right now is to **make a lot
of money** by building a profitable company on open source software

(Latex, Linux, Sage, Octave, R, etc.), and use that money to fund:

   1. Sage development,

   2. Vastly improve the *documentation* ecosystem around Sage,

   3. Vastly improve the *support* ecosystem around Sage, especially
for the masses beyond elite research mathematicians.

You may strongly disagree with this, or chose not to be involved in
Sage (or LInux, say) as a result.  But to be clear -- I'm not hiding
this.

 -- William

[Christophe Bal]

That is not a problem. You can still use your own server to use SMC . That will be my choice because in France we cannot pay a lot for tools in HighSchool.

Christophe BAL

Enseignant de mathématiques en Lycée et développeur Python amateur

---

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[Justin C. Walker]

Why is this still being discussed? It belongs on the flame list.

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[Henri Girard]

Certains on la dent longue ! lol

[Christophe Bal]

C'est clair. Je ne vois pas où est le problème car le projet reste open source avec en 0lus une volonté de proposer une utilisation sur un serveur local.

Le 25 août 2016 10:29, "Henri Girard" <henri....@gmail.com> a écrit :

Certains on la dent longue ! lol


Le 25/08/2016 à 10:14, Justin C. Walker a écrit :

Why is this still being discussed?  It belongs on the flame list.

On Aug 24, 2016, at 13:12 , Nathann Cohen wrote:

Quote from William Stein, CEO of SageMath Inc (private for-profit
Delaware company) [1]

    So there is no confusion, my top priority right now is to **make a lot
    of money** by building a profitable company on open source software
    (Latex, Linux, Sage, Octave, R, etc.)

    (full post)
    https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sage-devel/B3WnJr6S1bw/JQ_jvOITBAAJ

This post being entirely factual, I shouldn't be held responsible for
its content.

Nathann

[1] http://www.edgarcompany.sec.gov/servlet/CompanyDBSearch?page=detailed&cik=0001634867&main_back=23

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[Nathann Cohen]

Nathan does give the link to the original post, but he is quoting out of context. Here is the full post:

Still, it would be incomplete to claim, as in the original post, that the only aim of SageMath Inc. is to fund Sage development and associated activities. Take it as a proof that William announced that the development of SageMath Inc. was now his only professional activity, and you can safely guess that he will pay himself for that.

Consequently, by making "a lot of money" through SageMath Inc. it is clear that William also aims at making money for himself (food, rent, whatever). Missing that, his presentation was certainly not exhaustive.

Nathann

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[Dima Pasechnik]

On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 11:51:05 AM UTC+1, Nathann Cohen wrote:

Nathan does give the link to the original post, but he is quoting out of context. Here is the full post:

Still, it would be incomplete to claim, as in the original post, that the only aim of SageMath Inc. is to fund Sage development and associated activities. Take it as a proof that William announced that the development of SageMath Inc. was now his only professional activity, and you can safely guess that he will pay himself for that.

Consequently, by making "a lot of money" through SageMath Inc. it is clear that William also aims at making money for himself (food, rent, whatever). Missing that, his presentation was certainly not exhaustive.

No, you are just not seeing the obvious here.

William views SMC as a part of activities associated to Sagemath development, and it's hard to argue against this point of view.

(as e.g. SMC is a popular platform to run courses that use Sagemath, and this is obviously important.)

Thus SMC  may fund William's food etc., as part of activities associated with Sagemath development.

(In general, when one *funds* something it normally is via payment of money.)

An unenlightened taxpayer actually might prefer this scheme, as currently most of Sagemath development is funded by taxpayers, and they might not see much

value in it.

[Nathann Cohen]

No, you are just not seeing the obvious here.

William views SMC as a part of activities associated to Sagemath development, and it's hard to argue against this point of view.

It's true, it is "associated". One important side of SageMath-the-software is that it is "led' by a community, while William's "associated" activities are led by him and only him. He takes decisions, his company earns the money with Sage-associated activities and he spends it (on him or on Sage) as only him decides.

 

(as e.g. SMC is a popular platform to run courses that use Sagemath, and this is obviously important.)

Yes, it does play a role in Sage's future.

 

Thus SMC  may fund William's food etc., as part of activities associated with Sagemath development.

(In general, when one *funds* something it normally is via payment of money.)

Then accept that I see it as rather misleading when William say that his objective to make **a lot of money** to "fund Sage development", and that by that he includes "earn himself money". His message hinted at a kind of noble selflessness which you tell me isn't there. SageMath Inc.'s goal is to promote/develop Sage AND to pay his bills.

Nathann

[Nathann Cohen]

An unenlightened taxpayer actually might prefer this scheme, as currently most of Sagemath development is funded by taxpayers, and they might not see much

value in it.

Other taxpayers (possibly french) could tell you that their government has invested millions of euros in this free software (through grants and manpower), that this software would not exist as it is without those subsidies, and that it is being turned by SageMath Inc. into good old corporate money.

Without paying too much taxes of course, because, well, that's what Delaware is for.

Nathann

[Dima Pasechnik]

I think you are just doing elitist trolling here, out of boredom, perhaps.

Are you going to pay his bills? Me? US government? French government? His skateboarding?

Dude, you're sitting in your CNRS ivory tower, not too well-paid, but still far removed from the reality...

Yes, Sagemath developers have to eat, live somewhere, etc., there is no magic that would automatically place a sufficient figure in there bank accounts, unless they are fixed for life like you are.

 

Nathann

[john_perry_usm]

On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 6:57:22 AM UTC-5, Nathann Cohen wrote:

Then accept that I see it as rather misleading when William say that his objective to make **a lot of money** to "fund Sage development", and that by that he includes "earn himself money". His message hinted at a kind of noble selflessness which you tell me isn't there. SageMath Inc.'s goal is to promote/develop Sage AND to pay his bills.

I seem to have woken up into a strange world where paying bills is an ignoble activity.

Now that you mention it, though, it sure explains a lot about the world today...

john perry 

[David Joyner]

Nathann:

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[kcrisman]

On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 3:43:44 AM UTC-4, projetmbc wrote:

That is not a problem. You can still use your own server to use SMC . That will be my choice because in France we cannot pay a lot for tools in HighSchool.

In fact, someone just posted on sage-cloud that they successfully installed all of SMC on their own local server for use with their students... 

[kcrisman]

I think you are just doing elitist trolling here, out of boredom, perhaps.

Are you going to pay his bills? Me? US government? French government? His skateboarding?

Dude, you're sitting in your CNRS ivory tower, not too well-paid, but still far removed from the reality...

Perhaps we can contain this kind of post to sage-flame too?  Since we've also heard this as often as the complaints about SMC, Inc. and it's similarly well rehashed.

And yes, apologies for continuing this thread, we can shut it down now, sorry.

[Christophe Bal]

Thanks.

Do you have a link to that ?

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[Dima Pasechnik]

On Saturday, August 27, 2016 at 3:11:46 PM UTC, projetmbc wrote:

Thanks.

Do you have a link to that ?

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sage-cloud/og3tmsXK-K0/snB-7v2_CgAJ

 

Le 27 août 2016 01:12, "kcrisman" <kcri...@gmail.com> a écrit :

On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 3:43:44 AM UTC-4, projetmbc wrote:

That is not a problem. You can still use your own server to use SMC . That will be my choice because in France we cannot pay a lot for tools in HighSchool.

In fact, someone just posted on sage-cloud that they successfully installed all of SMC on their own local server for use with their students... 

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[Christophe Bal]

Thanks a lot.

Christophe BAL

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