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Thomas Judson

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Jun 21, 2019, 1:52:55 PM6/21/19

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macOS Catalina, aka macOS 10.15, is due out September 23 and will enforce Gatekeeper. Developers intending to support the forthcoming macOS Catalina must submit their apps to Apple's notarizing security process or they will not run. Has any thought been given to how Sage will run on on this new version?

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Dima Pasechnik

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Jun 21, 2019, 1:59:23 PM6/21/19

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I guess we will just kill the app version, it's anyway lacking in several ways.

On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 18:52 Thomas Judson, <twju...@gmail.com> wrote:

macOS Catalina, aka macOS 10.15, is due out September 23 and will enforce Gatekeeper. Developers intending to support the forthcoming macOS Catalina must submit their apps to Apple's notarizing security process or they will not run. Has any thought been given to how Sage will run on on this new version?

Tom Judson

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kcrisman

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Jun 22, 2019, 5:38:09 PM6/22/19

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On Friday, June 21, 2019 at 1:59:23 PM UTC-4, Dima Pasechnik wrote:

I guess we will just kill the app version, it's anyway lacking in several ways.

Wow, that is a real bummer, because there definitely are people using it. How onerous would "Gatekeeper" be? (I assume ridiculously so, but one can always hold out hope!)

kcrisman

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Jun 22, 2019, 5:38:55 PM6/22/19

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(Also, another reason for me to consider Linux for regular work; there are so many useful applications people have made for math ... will they allow LibreOffice to be "gatekept"?)

Dima Pasechnik

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Jun 22, 2019, 6:10:38 PM6/22/19

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that certification process is not impossibly hard, it just needs to be done by the vendor, and it requires some effort and knowledge. I suppose large projects like LibreOffice could do it easily.

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Nathan Dunfield

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Jun 23, 2019, 4:48:44 PM6/23/19

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Are the SageMath app versions signed with an Apple Developer ID? If not, this strengthening of Gatekeeper may not be an issue for SageMath at all. Currently, there are three categories of Mac apps:

1) Those in the App Store, which must come from a registered Apple Developer and are reviewed by Apple before posting.

2) Those not from the App Store but that are signed by a Apple Dev ID.

3) Everything else. To run anything in this category, the user has to click various things saying it's OK to run "untrusted" code.

As I understand the link, Apple is increasing their oversight in category (2): not only must the app be signed but it must be run through some automated Apple website that searches for nefarious code and adds a signed cert confirming that. But that won't change anything about category (3).