sage logo facelifting
Harald Schilly
not the graphics, just the letters of the text. I don't want to push
this online without any discussion, because it is an rather important
aspect of sage! It's also once again an opportunity to discuss some
efforts towards a more unique corporate design.
For example, in each notebook in the upper left corner is still the
old sage logo, i think this should be replaced by an adoption of the
currently used logo. Also, I can remember something with business
cards and it could touch the new documentation...
anyway, here is the proposal.
http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/schilly/newsagechars.png
I like the simplified letters and it is now easier to scale it
smaller. It's also not so weak and no disturbing diagonal artifacts.
(and yes, this will be also available as an svg in inkscape, otherwise
it's useless ...)
Harald
mabshoff
On Feb 13, 2:34 pm, Harald Schilly <harald.schi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
> Hi, I got an improved version of the current sage logo from sirio -
> not the graphics, just the letters of the text. I don't want to push
> this online without any discussion, because it is an rather important
> aspect of sage! It's also once again an opportunity to discuss some
> efforts towards a more unique corporate design.
labelled before and after I would not have been sure which one was
which :)
> For example, in each notebook in the upper left corner is still the
> old sage logo, i think this should be replaced by an adoption of the
> currently used logo. Also, I can remember something with business
> cards and it could touch the new documentation...
>
> I like the simplified letters and it is now easier to scale it
> smaller. It's also not so weak and no disturbing diagonal artifacts.
> (and yes, this will be also available as an svg in inkscape, otherwise
> it's useless ...)
> Harald
Cheers,
Michael
Martin Albrecht
> http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/schilly/newsagechars.png
I like it.
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Jason Grout
+1 for the new logo. The difference seems subtle at an arm's length,
but it's also noticeable. I like it.
Jason
Alex Clemesha
Some history: I drew that logo, by hand in Inkscape, in a day for Sage
Days 2 badges.
Since then I sorta knew it could use some sleeking up, so thanks!
-Alex
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David Joyner
Thanks Harald!
Robert Bradshaw
Sirius
I'm glad you like the logo and the new chars I made the other day for
it. I just traced by hand the chars from the image to make the new
ones, the old ones were traced with potrace automatically.
The Inkscape SVG file with all my work on sage logos is downloadable
from my GNOME Live homepage @ http://live.gnome.org/SirioBola%C3%B1os,
and is available under a CC BY-NC-SA 2.5 MX License, with my express
permission for the SAGE project to use it for commercial means.
By the way, it's nice to know the original author, hi Alex! nice chars
and logo!
Any suggestions appreciated and if there's something I can help, just
tell me.
Cheers!
Sirio
David Joyner
>
> Hi everyone!
>
...
> The Inkscape SVG file with all my work on sage logos is downloadable
> from my GNOME Live homepage @ http://live.gnome.org/SirioBola%C3%B1os,
> and is available under a CC BY-NC-SA 2.5 MX License, with my express
> permission for the SAGE project to use it for commercial means.
>
> By the way, it's nice to know the original author, hi Alex! nice chars
> and logo!
>
> Any suggestions appreciated and if there's something I can help, just
> tell me.
It is (to me) clearly a modification of Alex's original logo and
any creation incorporating his logo of a modification of it must be,
by the terms of the license, released under the same licence.
Alex can confirm this but I do not think your license is what Alex
choose. Change your license back and everything is fine.
(BTW, the same applies to Harald Schilly's license for his Sage
website design, as it uses Alex's logo as well. The logo aspect of the
design is under a difference license, in my opinion.)
However, IANAL.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Sirio
>
> >
>
Sirius
To be sincere, I really don't care much, nor know much, about the
license, I just want to have credit for what I've done and keep
contributing to this great project.
I hadn't realized what you're saying and it's not at all my intention
to deny the corresponding credit to Alex for having created the logo
in the first place; apart, I don't know which license Alex originally
released his logo under.
It sounds good to me what you propose, If that solves any
inconvenience, it's fine for me. As I said before, I want no trouble,
I just want to do something for the project and to be acknowledged by
what I do, as everyone else.
So, if you (all) can provide the necessary information to settle this,
I'll change the license and that's it.
Thanks for the remark David, it's better to be in good legal terms! ;)
Have a nice day.
Sirio.
Sirius
Alex Clemesha
>
> Hi David and all others:
>
> To be sincere, I really don't care much, nor know much, about the
> license, I just want to have credit for what I've done and keep
> contributing to this great project.
> I hadn't realized what you're saying and it's not at all my intention
> to deny the corresponding credit to Alex for having created the logo
> in the first place; apart, I don't know which license Alex originally
> released his logo under.
so I guess the best thing to do is just officially do it again right now :-)
I officially release the sage logo under the
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ license.
There we have it,
Thanks!
-Alex
> It sounds good to me what you propose, If that solves any
> inconvenience, it's fine for me. As I said before, I want no trouble,
> I just want to do something for the project and to be acknowledged by
> what I do, as everyone else.
>
> So, if you (all) can provide the necessary information to settle this,
> I'll change the license and that's it.
>
> Thanks for the remark David, it's better to be in good legal terms! ;)
>
> Have a nice day.
>
>
> Sirio.
> >
>
Alex Clemesha
clemesha.org
Harald Schilly
> To be sincere, I really don't care much, nor know much, about the
Yes, I don't care much either but here my two cents: My personal
"definition" of logo is a unique graphic to represent the project.
Unique means, no other project/entity uses it.
On the other hand, the whole intention behind releasing something
under a license (no matter which one) is, to give others some usage
rights without asking and without questioning for what it is used.
Therefore, releasing the sage logo in a CC license means, that some
other entity can use it. [This has nothing to do with copyright, since
your work is always copyrighted!]
I know, that's probably controversial and discussing this only
consumes time that's better used for something else. My point of view
is to keep the copyright (as it is automatically and always) and
explicitly dedicate such works to the sage project. period. Just like
donated money can't be used for buying beer.
H
Robert Bradshaw
> On Feb 17, 3:07 am, Sirius <deuter...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> To be sincere, I really don't care much, nor know much, about the
>> license, I just want to have credit ...
>
> Yes, I don't care much either but here my two cents: My personal
> "definition" of logo is a unique graphic to represent the project.
> Unique means, no other project/entity uses it.
> On the other hand, the whole intention behind releasing something
> under a license (no matter which one) is, to give others some usage
> rights without asking and without questioning for what it is used.
> Therefore, releasing the sage logo in a CC license means, that some
> other entity can use it. [This has nothing to do with copyright, since
> your work is always copyrighted!]
These are more trademark than copyright questions. If someone wanted
to create brand confusion they could free-hand the dodecahedron on
the left, use a (marginally) different font for the lettering, and it
would not violate copyright at all (as long as they only used the
ideas from the original logo, not any actual copying).
> I know, that's probably controversial and discussing this only
> consumes time that's better used for something else. My point of view
> is to keep the copyright (as it is automatically and always) and
> explicitly dedicate such works to the sage project. period. Just like
> donated money can't be used for buying beer.
I think this just makes things messier--what if I want to make a
shirt that has the Sage logo on it? Do I have to get permission from
the Sage project? Do I have to get permission to put the logo on my
site with a link to Sage? Can I change the colors to better fit with
my site's theme? What if I think it can be improved by adding texture
to the background, or (as started this email) tweaking the lettering?
Are these derivative works even allowed? If so, are they also
explicitly dedicated to the Sage project? If I produce, say, a
project that allows one to use Sage on an iPhone (or, even, uses Sage
as a backend for my iPhone calculus application) can I incorporate
part or all of the logo into my application's logo?
A concrete license like the CC makes things so much cleaner, and I
think CC by-sa is an excellent fit.
- Robert
William Stein
+1
William
Rob Beezer
discussion. If I understand it right, the name Firefox and the logos
are trademarked by Mozilla. Debian's strict interpretation of open
licenses mean they ship their patched version of Firefox as
IceWeasel. Or maybe Mozilla won't let them ship the (heavily) patched
version and call it Firefox. Or both. Either way, it seems to be a
mess, and attributable to the decision to trademark and "brand." I
haven't been following this very closely, but here's a couple of (old)
links. Maybe somebody else knows more about where this is right now.
Mark Shuttleworth's opinion about Ubuntu's relationship to both sides
http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/79
and here's a link to a view from Mozilla that might be a reasonable
introduction to the conflict, despite being from one side
http://cbeard.typepad.com/mozilla/2006/10/mozilla_tradema.html
Sirius
First of all, I officially release my modifications of the sage logo
under the http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ license, as
it's a derivative work of Alex's and his license now obliges me to
share-alike ;-)
Now, being settled that, I have some thoughts about the ongoing
discussion. What Robert says seems quite reasonable to me, as we're
not lawyers, but programmers and scientists, and we have no time to
worry about these matters, so having a supporting legal institution
like CC is better.
Anyway, in GPL projects like SAGE, trademark is gained by prestige,
not by legal rights, and any use of the logo by other people is a
tribute.
Cheers!
Sirio