Maths says 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 0. But ...
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Ganesh J. Acharya
Sep 2, 2011, 9:24:13 AM9/2/11
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Maths says 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 0. But in real the entire universe has come
from nothing.
Is our maths flawed then?
from nothing.
Is our maths flawed then?
Prasad Chitta
Sep 2, 2011, 11:55:50 AM9/2/11
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0 + 0 - 0 + 0 - 0 + 0 is still 0 but it is a sequence of addition and
subtraction just like day and night and birth and death! (Math surely
is not flawed!)
On Sep 2, 6:24 pm, "Ganesh J. Acharya" <ganeshjacha...@gmail.com>
wrote:
subtraction just like day and night and birth and death! (Math surely
is not flawed!)
On Sep 2, 6:24 pm, "Ganesh J. Acharya" <ganeshjacha...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Ganesh J. Acharya
Sep 2, 2011, 12:45:05 PM9/2/11
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Can someone explain
om purnam adam purnam idam purnat purnam udachyate
om purnam adam purnam idam purnat purnam udachyate
Saibaba SV
Sep 2, 2011, 12:57:09 PM9/2/11
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This is the explanation for "om purnam adam purnam idam purnat purnam udachyate"which I read somewhere.
Please correct me if I am wrong
The Personality of Godhead is perfect and complete. And because He is completely perfect, all emanations from Him, such as this phenomenal world, are perfectly equipped as a complete whole. Whatever is produced of the complete whole is also complete by itself. And because He is the Complete Whole, even though so many complete units emanate from Him, He remains the complete balance.
S.V.SAI BABA
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Umashankar V
Sep 2, 2011, 1:38:44 PM9/2/11
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Dear Ganesh ji,
As I understand, the entire universe has come from pure consciousness - this is wrongly seen as 'nothing' --- Pure consciousness is 'everything'. Absence of physical aspect does not mean nothing.. The very physical 'space' on of the pancha bhootas, is not nothing and did not come from nothing. it translates as 'nothing' for our senses... our Indian intellect says that nothing is not nothing but most potent and pregnant , pure conscious Self.
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As I understand, the entire universe has come from pure consciousness - this is wrongly seen as 'nothing' --- Pure consciousness is 'everything'. Absence of physical aspect does not mean nothing.. The very physical 'space' on of the pancha bhootas, is not nothing and did not come from nothing. it translates as 'nothing' for our senses... our Indian intellect says that nothing is not nothing but most potent and pregnant , pure conscious Self.
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Ganesh J. Acharya
Sep 2, 2011, 10:52:52 PM9/2/11
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Does that mean there is never a 0 in actual? An absolute 0 cannot be
achieved. So, why have it?
There is always a "1"??
On Sep 2, 10:38 pm, Umashankar V <urshan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Ganesh ji,
>
> As I understand, the entire universe has come from pure consciousness - this
> is wrongly seen as 'nothing' --- Pure consciousness is 'everything'. Absence
> of physical aspect does not mean nothing.. The very physical 'space' on of
> the pancha bhootas, is not nothing and did not come from nothing. it
> translates as 'nothing' for our senses... our Indian intellect says that
> nothing is not nothing but most potent and pregnant , pure conscious Self.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Saibaba SV <svsaib...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > This is the explanation for "om purnam adam purnam idam purnat purnam
> > udachyate"which I read somewhere.
> > Please correct me if I am wrong
>
> > *The Personality of Godhead is perfect and complete. And because He is
> > *S.V.SAI BABA*
>
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* Ganesh J. Acharya <ganeshjacha...@gmail.com>
> > *To:* Sadgoshthi <sadgo...@googlegroups.com>
> > *Sent:* Friday, 2 September 2011 10:15 PM
> > *Subject:* [sadgoshthi] Re: Maths says 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 0. But ...
> in the world "*
>
> http://yogicselfmastery.blogspot.com/
achieved. So, why have it?
There is always a "1"??
On Sep 2, 10:38 pm, Umashankar V <urshan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Ganesh ji,
>
> As I understand, the entire universe has come from pure consciousness - this
> is wrongly seen as 'nothing' --- Pure consciousness is 'everything'. Absence
> of physical aspect does not mean nothing.. The very physical 'space' on of
> the pancha bhootas, is not nothing and did not come from nothing. it
> translates as 'nothing' for our senses... our Indian intellect says that
> nothing is not nothing but most potent and pregnant , pure conscious Self.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Saibaba SV <svsaib...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > This is the explanation for "om purnam adam purnam idam purnat purnam
> > udachyate"which I read somewhere.
> > Please correct me if I am wrong
>
> > completely perfect, all emanations from Him, such as this phenomenal world,
> > are perfectly equipped as a complete whole. Whatever is produced of the
> > complete whole is also complete by itself. And because He is the Complete
> > Whole, even though so many complete units emanate from Him, He remains the
> > complete balance.*
> > are perfectly equipped as a complete whole. Whatever is produced of the
> > complete whole is also complete by itself. And because He is the Complete
> > Whole, even though so many complete units emanate from Him, He remains the
> > *S.V.SAI BABA*
>
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* Ganesh J. Acharya <ganeshjacha...@gmail.com>
> > *To:* Sadgoshthi <sadgo...@googlegroups.com>
> > *Sent:* Friday, 2 September 2011 10:15 PM
> > *Subject:* [sadgoshthi] Re: Maths says 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 0. But ...
>
> > Can someone explain
>
> > om purnam adam purnam idam purnat purnam udachyate
>
> > On Sep 2, 8:55 pm, Prasad Chitta <prasad.chi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 0 + 0 - 0 + 0 - 0 + 0 is still 0 but it is a sequence of addition and
> > > subtraction just like day and night and birth and death! (Math surely
> > > is not flawed!)
>
> > > On Sep 2, 6:24 pm, "Ganesh J. Acharya" <ganeshjacha...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > Maths says 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 0. But in real the entire universe has come
> > > > from nothing.
>
> > > > Is our maths flawed then?
>
> > --
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> > om purnam adam purnam idam purnat purnam udachyate
>
> > On Sep 2, 8:55 pm, Prasad Chitta <prasad.chi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 0 + 0 - 0 + 0 - 0 + 0 is still 0 but it is a sequence of addition and
> > > subtraction just like day and night and birth and death! (Math surely
> > > is not flawed!)
>
> > > On Sep 2, 6:24 pm, "Ganesh J. Acharya" <ganeshjacha...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > Maths says 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 0. But in real the entire universe has come
> > > > from nothing.
>
> > > > Is our maths flawed then?
>
> > --
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>
> Umashankar.V
>
> *" If you feel peace within yourself , you will find peace everywhere else
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> Umashankar.V
>
> in the world "*
>
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Ganesh J. Acharya
Sep 2, 2011, 11:04:59 PM9/2/11
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e.g.
0°C = 273.15K
But in true sense heat is always present. For a person in Kashmir the
feeling for warmth is different than a person in Mumbai.
On Sep 3, 7:52 am, "Ganesh J. Acharya" <ganeshjacha...@gmail.com>
0°C = 273.15K
But in true sense heat is always present. For a person in Kashmir the
feeling for warmth is different than a person in Mumbai.
On Sep 3, 7:52 am, "Ganesh J. Acharya" <ganeshjacha...@gmail.com>
Ganesh J. Acharya
Sep 3, 2011, 1:44:09 AM9/3/11
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There can never be a 0 or negative number in practical usage.
For colder temperatures we should have had 0.001, ...0.000001 etc. But
we see usage of numbers such a -1, -2 for things which are present.
Which is strange. Can anyone explain?
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Umashankar V
Sep 3, 2011, 3:33:13 AM9/3/11
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Dear Dr, Dear Learned Friends,
I am presenting as to what I have understood... I am open to and invite correction to my understanding in order to better my knowledge and understanding that I have. Kindly let me know if what I expressed here is indeed right.
Ganesh ji, thanks for your query that opened up this opportunity.
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As I understand..
Say, if you are very hungry and have had only a banana or fruit juice, you could still say, you have had 'nothing'.
Say you really had nothing , literally nothing to eat, still energy exchange takes place (you gain/lose mental energy, physical and psychological energy or change inner states of being)..
So wrt us, humans, we may evolve a practical '0' ... but in reality, absence of what we need in the required quantity is 0. i.e. 0.00001 may be called '0'. But logically we need a convention to say nothing and that facility is given by '0'. This is a world of relativity, names and forms.
We exist, even when our body becomes '0'. Does that mean we became '0' ? Not at all... '0' means lack of the specified quantity at acceptable levels. That's it..
Some siddhas can go in and out of physical manifestation. they can be 0 or >0 in their physical form as they wish. It does not mean, 0 cannot give rise to non-zero.
In summary - Self is NOT shunya!!!
Nirvana is NOT shunya!!
Nirvana is pure, unlimited Sachidananda or Consciousness...
There is NEVER an absolute zero but in our mind/world that needs conventions and names and forms. Empty Space is NOT a full zero, there is still SPACE. WHich means there is still something which can HOLD a physical object. There can be no object without a ROOM for it. SPACE is indeed physical and NOT a ZERO yet.
I suddenly recall my father's favorite paradox he keeps playing with at times -' can there be everything in nothing and nothing in everything' ?
There is Self and rest everything is a variant of Self expressing itself in our minds... Mathematics is in the mind, in the manifestation only... not in REALITY of The Self.
Self is potent and pregnant with possibilities of manifestation... but Self itself is Unmanifest.
That's my submission...
Sri Gurubhyo Namaha!
I am presenting as to what I have understood... I am open to and invite correction to my understanding in order to better my knowledge and understanding that I have. Kindly let me know if what I expressed here is indeed right.
Ganesh ji, thanks for your query that opened up this opportunity.
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As I understand..
Say, if you are very hungry and have had only a banana or fruit juice, you could still say, you have had 'nothing'.
Say you really had nothing , literally nothing to eat, still energy exchange takes place (you gain/lose mental energy, physical and psychological energy or change inner states of being)..
So wrt us, humans, we may evolve a practical '0' ... but in reality, absence of what we need in the required quantity is 0. i.e. 0.00001 may be called '0'. But logically we need a convention to say nothing and that facility is given by '0'. This is a world of relativity, names and forms.
We exist, even when our body becomes '0'. Does that mean we became '0' ? Not at all... '0' means lack of the specified quantity at acceptable levels. That's it..
Some siddhas can go in and out of physical manifestation. they can be 0 or >0 in their physical form as they wish. It does not mean, 0 cannot give rise to non-zero.
In summary - Self is NOT shunya!!!
Nirvana is NOT shunya!!
Nirvana is pure, unlimited Sachidananda or Consciousness...
There is NEVER an absolute zero but in our mind/world that needs conventions and names and forms. Empty Space is NOT a full zero, there is still SPACE. WHich means there is still something which can HOLD a physical object. There can be no object without a ROOM for it. SPACE is indeed physical and NOT a ZERO yet.
I suddenly recall my father's favorite paradox he keeps playing with at times -' can there be everything in nothing and nothing in everything' ?
There is Self and rest everything is a variant of Self expressing itself in our minds... Mathematics is in the mind, in the manifestation only... not in REALITY of The Self.
Self is potent and pregnant with possibilities of manifestation... but Self itself is Unmanifest.
That's my submission...
Sri Gurubhyo Namaha!
Umashankar.V
MVN Chari
Sep 3, 2011, 3:40:30 AM9/3/11
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Sri Ganeshji
As far as temperature is concerned, we encounter negative temperatures because the melting point of ice has been assigned the value 0 on the Centigrade scale. One could use the kelvin scale where the 0 is at a temperature -273 degrees Centigrade and is the temperature at which all molecular vibrations cease.
0 is a concept (as are all numbers). Its utility? Without 0 (developed in ancient India) ther would beno decimal number system or modern day computers!
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Ganesh J. Acharya
Sep 3, 2011, 5:14:28 AM9/3/11
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I understand what you are trying to say. But having a scale affixing 0
(the non existent) to something existing? and then adopting that as a
"standard" to determine the presence (amount) of heat?
Following this scale even below 0 heat is obviously present?
On Sep 3, 12:40 pm, MVN Chari <mvnch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sri Ganeshji
>
> As far as temperature is concerned, we encounter negative temperatures
> because the melting point of ice has been assigned the value 0 on the
> Centigrade scale. One could use the kelvin scale where the 0 is at a
> temperature -273 degrees Centigrade and is the temperature at which all
> molecular vibrations cease.
> 0 is a concept (as are all numbers). Its utility? Without 0 (developed in
> ancient India) ther would beno decimal number system or modern day
> computers!
>
> mvnchari
(the non existent) to something existing? and then adopting that as a
"standard" to determine the presence (amount) of heat?
Following this scale even below 0 heat is obviously present?
On Sep 3, 12:40 pm, MVN Chari <mvnch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sri Ganeshji
>
> As far as temperature is concerned, we encounter negative temperatures
> because the melting point of ice has been assigned the value 0 on the
> Centigrade scale. One could use the kelvin scale where the 0 is at a
> temperature -273 degrees Centigrade and is the temperature at which all
> molecular vibrations cease.
> 0 is a concept (as are all numbers). Its utility? Without 0 (developed in
> ancient India) ther would beno decimal number system or modern day
> computers!
>
> mvnchari
Ganesh J. Acharya
Sep 3, 2011, 5:19:41 AM9/3/11
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How do we see a scale that starts its measurement excluding the 1st 1
meter of the wooden block and calls it non existent? and then calls
the other remaining portion of the wooden block as negative?
meter of the wooden block and calls it non existent? and then calls
the other remaining portion of the wooden block as negative?
> Sri Ganeshji
>
> As far as temperature is concerned, we encounter negative temperatures
> because the melting point of ice has been assigned the value 0 on the
> Centigrade scale. One could use the kelvin scale where the 0 is at a
> temperature -273 degrees Centigrade and is the temperature at which all
> molecular vibrations cease.
> 0 is a concept (as are all numbers). Its utility? Without 0 (developed in
> ancient India) ther would beno decimal number system or modern day
> computers!
>
> mvnchari
>
> As far as temperature is concerned, we encounter negative temperatures
> because the melting point of ice has been assigned the value 0 on the
> Centigrade scale. One could use the kelvin scale where the 0 is at a
> temperature -273 degrees Centigrade and is the temperature at which all
> molecular vibrations cease.
> 0 is a concept (as are all numbers). Its utility? Without 0 (developed in
> ancient India) ther would beno decimal number system or modern day
> computers!
>
> mvnchari
Ganesh J. Acharya
Sep 3, 2011, 6:12:29 AM9/3/11
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"That Fullness — This Fullness, (or "That Wholeness — This
Wholeness...") Fullness unto Fullness. Fullness emerging from
Fullness, Fullness indeed remains." http://www.worldu.edu/library/shiva_essay_griffin_pff.htm
On Sep 2, 9:57 pm, Saibaba SV <svsaib...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> This is the explanation for "om purnam adam purnam idam purnat purnam udachyate"which I read somewhere.
> Please correct me if I am wrong
>
> The Personality of Godhead is perfect and complete. And because He is completely perfect, all emanations from Him, such as this phenomenal world, are perfectly equipped as a complete whole. Whatever is produced of the complete whole is also complete by itself. And because He is the Complete Whole, even though so many complete units emanate from Him, He remains the complete balance.
>
> S.V.SAI BABA
>
> >________________________________
> >From: Ganesh J. Acharya <ganeshjacha...@gmail.com>
Wholeness...") Fullness unto Fullness. Fullness emerging from
Fullness, Fullness indeed remains." http://www.worldu.edu/library/shiva_essay_griffin_pff.htm
On Sep 2, 9:57 pm, Saibaba SV <svsaib...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> This is the explanation for "om purnam adam purnam idam purnat purnam udachyate"which I read somewhere.
> Please correct me if I am wrong
>
> The Personality of Godhead is perfect and complete. And because He is completely perfect, all emanations from Him, such as this phenomenal world, are perfectly equipped as a complete whole. Whatever is produced of the complete whole is also complete by itself. And because He is the Complete Whole, even though so many complete units emanate from Him, He remains the complete balance.
>
> S.V.SAI BABA
>
> >________________________________
> >To: Sadgoshthi <sadgo...@googlegroups.com>
> >Sent: Friday, 2 September 2011 10:15 PM
> >Subject: [sadgoshthi] Re: Maths says 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 0. But ...
>
> >Can someone explain
>
> >om purnam adam purnam idam purnat purnam udachyate
>
> >On Sep 2, 8:55 pm, Prasad Chitta <prasad.chi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> 0 + 0 - 0 + 0 - 0 + 0 is still 0 but it is a sequence of addition and
> >> subtraction just like day and night and birth and death! (Math surely
> >> is not flawed!)
>
> >> On Sep 2, 6:24 pm, "Ganesh J. Acharya" <ganeshjacha...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> > Maths says 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 0. But in real the entire universe has come
> >> > from nothing.
>
> >> > Is our maths flawed then?
>
> >--
> >http://yogicselfmastery.blogspot.com/
>
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> >Subject: [sadgoshthi] Re: Maths says 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 0. But ...
>
> >Can someone explain
>
> >om purnam adam purnam idam purnat purnam udachyate
>
> >On Sep 2, 8:55 pm, Prasad Chitta <prasad.chi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> 0 + 0 - 0 + 0 - 0 + 0 is still 0 but it is a sequence of addition and
> >> subtraction just like day and night and birth and death! (Math surely
> >> is not flawed!)
>
> >> On Sep 2, 6:24 pm, "Ganesh J. Acharya" <ganeshjacha...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> > Maths says 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 0. But in real the entire universe has come
> >> > from nothing.
>
> >> > Is our maths flawed then?
>
> >--
> >http://yogicselfmastery.blogspot.com/
>
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Ganesh J. Acharya
Sep 3, 2011, 6:17:07 AM9/3/11
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Only adding "1"s this universe can exist. Just guessing...
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On Sep 3, 3:12 pm, "Ganesh J. Acharya" <ganeshjacha...@gmail.com>
Prasad Chitta
Sep 3, 2011, 8:13:20 AM9/3/11
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Purnam = complete, full "0"
That 0 (unknown) - This 0 (known) = Remaining 0 (Never changing,
Unclassified as known or unknown; the basis)
Purnam is the source as well as the ultimate goal. This is achieved by
joining both the ends of the measuring scale to make it infinite. when
it is split the "scale" appears to be of finite measure.
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Ganesh J. Acharya
Sep 6, 2011, 1:30:29 AM9/6/11
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I arrived at "1" upon guessing consciousness being ever present.
how did you arrive at "0"
how did you arrive at "0"
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