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Walter Duerson
Jan 10, 2024, 6:15:23 PMJan 10
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Judge Arthur Engoron rescinded permission."><link rel="canonical""
NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump won’t make his own closing argument after all
in his New York civil business fraud trial after his lawyers objected to
the judge’s insistence that the former president stick to “relevant”
matters and “not deliver a campaign speech.”
Judge Arthur Engoron nixed Trump’s unusual plan on Wednesday, a day ahead
of closing arguments.
The judge had initially indicated he was open to the idea, saying he’d let
Trump speak if he agreed to abide by rules that apply to attorneys’
closing arguments. Among other things, Engoron wanted the former president
and current Republican front-runner to promise he wouldn’t assail his
adversaries in the case, the judge or others in the court system.
Trump’s legal team said those limitations unfairly muzzled him. They
didn’t agree to the terms by the judge’s Wednesday deadline.
“Is anyone surprised anymore?” Trump attorney Alina Habba said in a
statement after Engoron wrote that he assumed Trump was not agreeing to
the restrictions and therefore would not be speaking.
The trial could cost Trump hundreds of millions of dollars in penalties
and strip him of his ability to do business in New York. He’s fighting
allegations that his net worth was inflated by billions of dollars on
financial statements that helped him secure business loans and insurance.
The former president denies any wrongdoing, and he has lambasted the case
as a “hoax” and a political attack on him. The judge is a Democrat, as is
New York Attorney General Letitia James, who brought the lawsuit.
The trial came after Engoron decided, in a pretrial ruling, that Trump had
engaged in fraud for years. The judge ordered at that point that a
receiver take control of some of the ex-president’s properties, but an
appeals court has put that order on hold.
The trial concerns remaining claims of conspiracy, insurance fraud and
falsifying business records. Engoron will decide the verdict.
It’s extremely uncommon for people who have lawyers to give their own
closing arguments. But Trump’s lawyers had signaled privately to the judge
last week that the ex-president planned to deliver a summation personally,
in addition to arguments from his legal team. James’ office objected,
saying that the proposal would effectively amount to testimony without
cross-examination.
In an email exchange filed in court Wednesday, Engoron initially approved
the request, saying he was “inclined to let everyone have his or her say.”
But he said Trump’s remarks would have to stay within the bounds of
“commentary on the relevant, material facts that are in evidence, and
application of the relevant law to those facts.”
Trump would not be allowed to introduce new evidence, “comment on
irrelevant matters” or “deliver a campaign speech” — or impugn the judge,
his staff, the attorney general, her lawyers or the court system, the
judge wrote.
Trump attorney Christopher Kise responded that those limitations were
“fraught with ambiguities, creating the substantial likelihood for
misinterpretation or unintended violation.” Engoron said that they were
”reasonable, normal limits” and would allow for comments on the attorney
general’s arguments but not personal attacks.
Kise termed the restrictions “very unfair.”
“You are not allowing President Trump, who has been wrongfully demeaned
and belittled by an out of control, politically motivated attorney
general, to speak about the things that must be spoken about,” the
attorney wrote.
“I won’t debate this yet again. Take it or leave it,” the judge shot back,
with an all-caps addition saying he wouldn’t push back an already extended
and imminent deadline to resolve the matter. The deadline passed without a
response from Trump’s lawyers.
Earlier in the exchange, the judge also denied Kise’s request to postpone
closing arguments until Jan. 29 because of the death Tuesday of Trump’s
mother-in-law, Amalija Knavs. The judge expressed condolences but said he
was sticking to the scheduled date, citing the security and logistics
required for Trump’s planned visit to court.
Taking on a role usually performed by an attorney is dicey for any
defendant, and summations are a last chance to try to show how the
evidence from the trial has or hasn’t met legal requirements for proving
the case.
A closing argument isn’t constrained to the question-and-answer format of
testimony. But “it’s absolutely not a free-for-all,” said Christine
Bartholomew, a University at Buffalo School of Law professor who
specializes in civil procedure.
“Unless you’re legally trained … the chance of a misstep is really, really
high,” she said, adding that it’s “extra-risky” when a judge has already
taken issue with a defendant’s conduct during the case.
Trump ran afoul of Engoron after making a disparaging social media post
about the judge’s law clerk on the trial’s second day. The post included a
false insinuation about the clerk’s personal life.
Engoron then imposed a limited gag order, barring all participants in the
trial from commenting publicly about court staffers. The judge later fined
Trump a total of $15,000, saying he’d repeatedly violated the order.
Trump’s defense team is appealing it.
During the recent email exchange about Trump’s potential summation,
Engoron warned Trump’s lawyers that if the former president violated the
gag order, he’d be removed from the courtroom and fined at least $50,000.
Trump testified in November, sparring verbally with the judge and state
lawyers as he defended himself and his real estate empire. He later
considered but ultimately decided against a second round of testimony,
explaining that he had “nothing more to say.”
https://apnews.com/article/trump-fraud-trial-closing-arguments-
420997f889922423dbce8a0945f0c348
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AP News</title><meta name="description" content="Donald Trump won’t make
his own closing argument in his New York civil business fraud trial after
Judge Arthur Engoron rescinded permission."><link rel="canonical""
NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump won’t make his own closing argument after all
in his New York civil business fraud trial after his lawyers objected to
the judge’s insistence that the former president stick to “relevant”
matters and “not deliver a campaign speech.”
Judge Arthur Engoron nixed Trump’s unusual plan on Wednesday, a day ahead
of closing arguments.
The judge had initially indicated he was open to the idea, saying he’d let
Trump speak if he agreed to abide by rules that apply to attorneys’
closing arguments. Among other things, Engoron wanted the former president
and current Republican front-runner to promise he wouldn’t assail his
adversaries in the case, the judge or others in the court system.
Trump’s legal team said those limitations unfairly muzzled him. They
didn’t agree to the terms by the judge’s Wednesday deadline.
“Is anyone surprised anymore?” Trump attorney Alina Habba said in a
statement after Engoron wrote that he assumed Trump was not agreeing to
the restrictions and therefore would not be speaking.
The trial could cost Trump hundreds of millions of dollars in penalties
and strip him of his ability to do business in New York. He’s fighting
allegations that his net worth was inflated by billions of dollars on
financial statements that helped him secure business loans and insurance.
The former president denies any wrongdoing, and he has lambasted the case
as a “hoax” and a political attack on him. The judge is a Democrat, as is
New York Attorney General Letitia James, who brought the lawsuit.
The trial came after Engoron decided, in a pretrial ruling, that Trump had
engaged in fraud for years. The judge ordered at that point that a
receiver take control of some of the ex-president’s properties, but an
appeals court has put that order on hold.
The trial concerns remaining claims of conspiracy, insurance fraud and
falsifying business records. Engoron will decide the verdict.
It’s extremely uncommon for people who have lawyers to give their own
closing arguments. But Trump’s lawyers had signaled privately to the judge
last week that the ex-president planned to deliver a summation personally,
in addition to arguments from his legal team. James’ office objected,
saying that the proposal would effectively amount to testimony without
cross-examination.
In an email exchange filed in court Wednesday, Engoron initially approved
the request, saying he was “inclined to let everyone have his or her say.”
But he said Trump’s remarks would have to stay within the bounds of
“commentary on the relevant, material facts that are in evidence, and
application of the relevant law to those facts.”
Trump would not be allowed to introduce new evidence, “comment on
irrelevant matters” or “deliver a campaign speech” — or impugn the judge,
his staff, the attorney general, her lawyers or the court system, the
judge wrote.
Trump attorney Christopher Kise responded that those limitations were
“fraught with ambiguities, creating the substantial likelihood for
misinterpretation or unintended violation.” Engoron said that they were
”reasonable, normal limits” and would allow for comments on the attorney
general’s arguments but not personal attacks.
Kise termed the restrictions “very unfair.”
“You are not allowing President Trump, who has been wrongfully demeaned
and belittled by an out of control, politically motivated attorney
general, to speak about the things that must be spoken about,” the
attorney wrote.
“I won’t debate this yet again. Take it or leave it,” the judge shot back,
with an all-caps addition saying he wouldn’t push back an already extended
and imminent deadline to resolve the matter. The deadline passed without a
response from Trump’s lawyers.
Earlier in the exchange, the judge also denied Kise’s request to postpone
closing arguments until Jan. 29 because of the death Tuesday of Trump’s
mother-in-law, Amalija Knavs. The judge expressed condolences but said he
was sticking to the scheduled date, citing the security and logistics
required for Trump’s planned visit to court.
Taking on a role usually performed by an attorney is dicey for any
defendant, and summations are a last chance to try to show how the
evidence from the trial has or hasn’t met legal requirements for proving
the case.
A closing argument isn’t constrained to the question-and-answer format of
testimony. But “it’s absolutely not a free-for-all,” said Christine
Bartholomew, a University at Buffalo School of Law professor who
specializes in civil procedure.
“Unless you’re legally trained … the chance of a misstep is really, really
high,” she said, adding that it’s “extra-risky” when a judge has already
taken issue with a defendant’s conduct during the case.
Trump ran afoul of Engoron after making a disparaging social media post
about the judge’s law clerk on the trial’s second day. The post included a
false insinuation about the clerk’s personal life.
Engoron then imposed a limited gag order, barring all participants in the
trial from commenting publicly about court staffers. The judge later fined
Trump a total of $15,000, saying he’d repeatedly violated the order.
Trump’s defense team is appealing it.
During the recent email exchange about Trump’s potential summation,
Engoron warned Trump’s lawyers that if the former president violated the
gag order, he’d be removed from the courtroom and fined at least $50,000.
Trump testified in November, sparring verbally with the judge and state
lawyers as he defended himself and his real estate empire. He later
considered but ultimately decided against a second round of testimony,
explaining that he had “nothing more to say.”
https://apnews.com/article/trump-fraud-trial-closing-arguments-
420997f889922423dbce8a0945f0c348
Mike Colangelo
Jan 10, 2024, 6:30:39 PMJan 10
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On 1/10/2024 3:15 PM, Chadlee "cuck" Blowjob, 350lb 5'1" morbidly obese
convicted child molester and lying fat fuck, lied:
> The AP gets half-credit for burying the correct subject in the web page
> meta data.
>
> " <title>Trump not allowed to give closing arguments in NY civil trial |
> AP News</title><meta name="description" content="Donald Trump won’t make
> his own closing argument in his New York civil business fraud trial after
> Judge Arthur Engoron rescinded permission."><link rel="canonical""
>
> NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump won’t make his own closing argument after all
> in his New York civil business fraud trial after his lawyers objected to
> the judge’s insistence that the former president stick to “relevant”
> matters and “not deliver a campaign speech.”
>
> Judge Arthur Engoron nixed Trump’s unusual plan on Wednesday, a day ahead
> of closing arguments.
>
> The judge had initially indicated he was open to the idea, saying he’d let
> Trump speak if he agreed to abide by rules that apply to attorneys’
> closing arguments. Among other things, Engoron wanted the former president
> and current Republican front-runner to promise he wouldn’t assail his
> adversaries in the case, the judge or others in the court system.
>
> Trump’s legal team said those limitations unfairly muzzled him.
No, they don't.
convicted child molester and lying fat fuck, lied:
> The AP gets half-credit for burying the correct subject in the web page
> meta data.
>
> " <title>Trump not allowed to give closing arguments in NY civil trial |
> AP News</title><meta name="description" content="Donald Trump won’t make
> his own closing argument in his New York civil business fraud trial after
> Judge Arthur Engoron rescinded permission."><link rel="canonical""
>
> NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump won’t make his own closing argument after all
> in his New York civil business fraud trial after his lawyers objected to
> the judge’s insistence that the former president stick to “relevant”
> matters and “not deliver a campaign speech.”
>
> Judge Arthur Engoron nixed Trump’s unusual plan on Wednesday, a day ahead
> of closing arguments.
>
> The judge had initially indicated he was open to the idea, saying he’d let
> Trump speak if he agreed to abide by rules that apply to attorneys’
> closing arguments. Among other things, Engoron wanted the former president
> and current Republican front-runner to promise he wouldn’t assail his
> adversaries in the case, the judge or others in the court system.
>
> Trump’s legal team said those limitations unfairly muzzled him.
Cancun Ted
Jan 10, 2024, 7:06:59 PMJan 10
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>
>The AP gets half-credit for burying the correct subject in the web page
>meta data.
Soon Trump's mouth will be so full of black cock that he won't speak again.
>The AP gets half-credit for burying the correct subject in the web page
>meta data.
Prison is almost here!
Attaboy Luther!
Jan 10, 2024, 10:29:26 PMJan 10
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On 1/10/2024 3:15 PM, Walter Duerson wrote:
> The AP gets half-credit
AP gets full credit.
> NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump won’t make his own closing argument after all
> in his New York civil business fraud trial after his lawyers objected to
> the judge’s insistence that the former president stick to “relevant”
> matters and “not deliver a campaign speech.”
A perfectly reasonable requirement.
>
> Judge Arthur Engoron nixed Trump’s unusual plan on Wednesday, a day ahead
> of closing arguments.
Good.
>
> The judge had initially indicated he was open to the idea, saying he’d let
> Trump speak if he agreed to abide by rules that apply to attorneys’
> closing arguments.
A perfectly reasonable requirement. If Trump is going to play-act at being an
attorney, he has to follow the same rules they do.
> Among other things, Engoron wanted the former president
> and current Republican front-runner to promise he wouldn’t assail his
> adversaries in the case, the judge or others in the court system.
Reasonable
>
> Trump’s legal team said those limitations unfairly muzzled him.
They do not.
>
> “Is anyone surprised anymore?” Trump attorney Alina Habba
Stupid fucking whore and incompetent lawyer.
(But I'd poke her)
> The AP gets half-credit
AP gets full credit.
> NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump won’t make his own closing argument after all
> in his New York civil business fraud trial after his lawyers objected to
> the judge’s insistence that the former president stick to “relevant”
> matters and “not deliver a campaign speech.”
>
> Judge Arthur Engoron nixed Trump’s unusual plan on Wednesday, a day ahead
> of closing arguments.
>
> The judge had initially indicated he was open to the idea, saying he’d let
> Trump speak if he agreed to abide by rules that apply to attorneys’
> closing arguments.
attorney, he has to follow the same rules they do.
> Among other things, Engoron wanted the former president
> and current Republican front-runner to promise he wouldn’t assail his
> adversaries in the case, the judge or others in the court system.
>
> Trump’s legal team said those limitations unfairly muzzled him.
>
> “Is anyone surprised anymore?” Trump attorney Alina Habba
(But I'd poke her)
Rudy Canoza
Jan 12, 2024, 3:30:03 AMJan 12
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In <ngJnN.19$Um9...@fx13.ams1> Attaboy Luther!
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> " <title>Trump not allowed to give closing arguments in NY civil
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> | AP News</title><meta name="description" content="Donald Trump
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<don.k...@ghost.and.mr.chicken.fuckyouverymuch> wrote:>
> On 1/10/2024 3:15 PM, Walter Duerson wrote:
>> The AP gets half-credit
>
> AP gets full credit.
Here's what you snipped out. That's exactly what it says in the
> On 1/10/2024 3:15 PM, Walter Duerson wrote:
>> The AP gets half-credit
>
> AP gets full credit.
page too.
> " <title>Trump not allowed to give closing arguments in NY civil
trial
won’t
> make his own closing argument in his New York civil business fraud
> trial after Judge Arthur Engoron rescinded permission."><link
> rel="canonical""
>> NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump won’t make his own closing
> trial after Judge Arthur Engoron rescinded permission."><link
> rel="canonical""
argument after all
>> in his New York civil business fraud trial after his lawyers
objected to
>> the judge’s insistence that the former president stick to â
>> in his New York civil business fraud trial after his lawyers
objected to
€œrelevantâ€
>> matters and “not deliver a campaign speech.â€
Rudy Canoza
Feb 22, 2024, 3:05:03 AMFeb 22
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In <ngJnN.19$Um9...@fx13.ams1> Attaboy Luther!
<don.k...@ghost.and.mr.chicken.fuckyouverymuch> wrote:>
<don.k...@ghost.and.mr.chicken.fuckyouverymuch> wrote:>
> On 1/10/2024 3:15 PM, Walter Duerson wrote:
>> The AP gets half-credit
>
> AP gets full credit.
>> The AP gets half-credit
>
> AP gets full credit.
Here's what you snipped out. That's exactly what it says in the
page too.
> " <title>Trump not allowed to give closing arguments in NY civil
trial
> | AP News</title><meta name="description" content="Donald Trump
page too.
> " <title>Trump not allowed to give closing arguments in NY civil
trial
won’t
> make his own closing argument in his New York civil business fraud
> trial after Judge Arthur Engoron rescinded permission."><link
> rel="canonical""
>> NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump won’t make his own closing
> trial after Judge Arthur Engoron rescinded permission."><link
> rel="canonical""
argument after all
>> in his New York civil business fraud trial after his lawyers
objected to
>> in his New York civil business fraud trial after his lawyers
objected to
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