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When Donald Trump wins the US Presidential election in November...

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Nod

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Jun 27, 2016, 7:25:48 PM6/27/16
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It'll be the first time in history that a billionaire moved into
public housing vacated by a black family.

Rudy Canoza

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Jun 28, 2016, 1:44:00 AM6/28/16
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On 6/27/2016 4:11 PM, Nod wrote:
> [...]

He won't.

Fred Brown

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"Rudy Canoza" <c...@philhendrie.con> wrote in message
news:A8ocz.119744$9X5.1...@fx19.fr7...
> On 6/27/2016 4:11 PM, Nod wrote:
>> [...]
>
> He won't.

Yes he will. You're relying on faulty polling data.
Polling just Clinton and Trump has HC at 46% and DT at 41%
Now include Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson and Green Party
candidate Jill Stein both of whom will be on the November ballot
and the numbers are now HC 39% DT 38%, Johnson 10% and
Stein 6%

Trump and Clinton are neck and neck.





Bill Shatzer

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Jun 28, 2016, 2:22:10 PM6/28/16
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Fred Brown wrote:
>
> "Rudy Canoza" <c...@philhendrie.con> wrote in message
> news:A8ocz.119744$9X5.1...@fx19.fr7...
>> On 6/27/2016 4:11 PM, Nod wrote:
>>> [...]
>>
>> He won't.

> Yes he will. You're relying on faulty polling data.
> Polling just Clinton and Trump has HC at 46% and DT at 41%
> Now include Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson and Green Party
> candidate Jill Stein both of whom will be on the November ballot

Not exactly. The libertarian party is on the ballot in 33 states while
the Greens are currently ballot qualified in only 21.

http://tinyurl.com/he6rdk2

peace and justice,



Rudy Canoza

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Jun 28, 2016, 3:34:57 PM6/28/16
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On 6/28/2016 6:01 AM, Fred Brown wrote:
>
> "Rudy Canoza" <c...@philhendrie.con> wrote in message
> news:A8ocz.119744$9X5.1...@fx19.fr7...
>> On 6/27/2016 4:11 PM, Nod wrote:
>>> [...]
>>
>> He won't.
>
> Yes he will.

He won't.

> You're relying on faulty polling data.

I'm not.

> Polling just Clinton and Trump has HC at 46% and DT at 41%
> Now include Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson and Green Party
> candidate Jill Stein both of whom will be on the November ballot
> and the numbers are now HC 39% DT 38%, Johnson 10% and
> Stein 6%
>
> Trump and Clinton are neck and neck.

Trump is not going to win. Enough people will come to their senses.

SHIZER'S SHAME

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Jun 28, 2016, 4:26:29 PM6/28/16
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On 6/28/2016 12:22 PM, Bill Shatzer wrote:
>
> peace and justice,
>
>


Shitzer YOU are a traitor to this nation who wished us 911 attacks every
six or seven years:


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

"And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
economic injury incurred from that event.
It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
another 9-11 every six or seven years.
Peace and justice,"

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++






Just Wondering

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Jun 28, 2016, 4:55:32 PM6/28/16
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So voting for Hiliary ISN'T taking leave of your senses?

Rudy Canoza

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Jun 28, 2016, 5:08:35 PM6/28/16
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If the choice were only between Clinton and Trump, then no, voting for
Clinton is the sensible thing to do.

You're as bad as poor dumb Harold. Both of you are agitated over an
imaginary Hillary Clinton who only exists in your fetid imaginations.

I'm not a Clinton fan. I'm a realist.

Jeremy Bentham

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Jun 28, 2016, 5:20:47 PM6/28/16
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In article <7vBcz.4677$ic1....@fx43.iad>
Compared to voting for Trump, not even close.

Just Wondering

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Jun 28, 2016, 5:22:42 PM6/28/16
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On 6/28/2016 3:08 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 6/28/2016 1:56 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>> On 6/28/2016 1:35 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 6/28/2016 6:01 AM, Fred Brown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Trump and Clinton are neck and neck.
>>>
>>> Trump is not going to win. Enough people will come to their senses.
>>>
>> So voting for Hiliary ISN'T taking leave of your senses?
>
> If the choice were only between Clinton and Trump, then no, voting for
> Clinton is the sensible thing to do.
>
You've got some explainin' to do right there.

>
> I'm not a Clinton fan. I'm a realist.
>
Then get real. I'm not a fan of either Trump or Hiliary. The Republicans
will keep control of the House, and probably the Senate as well. That
means a vote for Hiliary is a vote for gridlock, and Trump isn't going
to get a Congress that will lick his boots either. Except the next
President is going to change the makeup of the Supreme Court for the
next 20 years. The last person I want doing that is Hiliary.
Personally, I live in a state that definitely won't be for Hiliary.
That means I can use my vote to send a message. I'll probably do one of
these (in no particular order of preference):
Vote for Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson
Write-in vote for Ted Cruz
Write-in vote for "None of the Above"


American Dream

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Jun 28, 2016, 5:24:37 PM6/28/16
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On 6/28/2016 3:06 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 6/28/2016 1:46 PM, hal lillywhite wrote:
>> On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 at 12:34:57 PM UTC-7, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>
>>> Trump is not going to win. Enough people will come to their senses.
>>
>> Voting for Hillary (or allowing her to win) is hardly sensible. She will
>> destroy our freedom, what's left of it.
>
> If the choice is Clinton or Trump, Clinton is the better choice.

Wow.

A woman who hasn't accomplished ANYTHING in her Senatorial terms.

A woman who let our embassy in Benghazi be overrun and burned..

A woman who lied at graveside to the parents of the dead Benghazi
heroes, blaming it on a youtube video, then called THEM liars when they
reported what she said to the press.

A woman who spearheaded the foreign policy that created us ISIS.

A woman who helped cut the worst deal with Iran in history.

Do you simply prefer mendacious incompetence, or is her zeal to ruin
this nation more attractive to you?

> You're an idiot with this "destroy our freedom" bullshit.

You're insane if you want a DemoCrap stacking the SCOTUS with more
Sotomayor's.

> Your visceral reaction against Clinton is completely irrational.

Your tenuously insipid endorsement of her speaks volumes as to what you
really are.


Rudy Canoza

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Jun 28, 2016, 5:24:48 PM6/28/16
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Correct. Clinton is a bad person and will make a bad president. Trump
is an evil person who would be a catastrophe as president.

Just Wondering

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Jun 28, 2016, 5:30:02 PM6/28/16
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I'm no Trump fan, but I'd love a reasonable explanation why President
Hiliary would be better than President Frito.

Rudy Canoza

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Jun 28, 2016, 5:30:36 PM6/28/16
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On 6/28/2016 2:23 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
> On 6/28/2016 3:08 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 6/28/2016 1:56 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>> On 6/28/2016 1:35 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 6/28/2016 6:01 AM, Fred Brown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump and Clinton are neck and neck.
>>>>
>>>> Trump is not going to win. Enough people will come to their senses.
>>>>
>>> So voting for Hiliary ISN'T taking leave of your senses?
>>
>> If the choice were only between Clinton and Trump, then no, voting for
>> Clinton is the sensible thing to do.
>>
> You've got some explainin' to do right there.

Not really. I think this is obvious.

You irrational Clinton haters hate them (Bill and Hillary both) for
entirely irrational reasons having nothing to do with how he governed or
how she would govern. The country prospered when Bill Clinton was
president. It's not because of anything he "did", but the fact remains
that prosperity was high and he didn't do anything to wreck it. There
are no guarantees about Hillary Clinton, but she is similar to Bill
Clinton in outlook and temperament. She is not the radical leftists you
fuckwits like to pretend. You're just a billion miles off the mark.

>>
>> I'm not a Clinton fan. I'm a realist.
>>
> Then get real.

I already am and always have been.


> I'm not a fan of either Trump or Hiliary. The Republicans
> will keep control of the House, and probably the Senate as well.

That's not clear at all. Trump could well cause them to lose one or both.


> That means a vote for Hiliary is a vote for gridlock,

As a libertarian, I am quite happy with gridlock. When government acts,
it is almost never to make an improvement; it almost always makes things
worse. Better to have gridlock and prevent action. It's kind of a
"second best" libertarian solution.


> and Trump isn't going
> to get a Congress that will lick his boots either. Except the next
> President is going to change the makeup of the Supreme Court for the
> next 20 years. The last person I want doing that is Hiliary.

I don't think Trump justices would be one bit better.

American Dream

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Jun 28, 2016, 5:30:40 PM6/28/16
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On 6/28/2016 3:08 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 6/28/2016 1:56 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>> On 6/28/2016 1:35 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 6/28/2016 6:01 AM, Fred Brown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Trump and Clinton are neck and neck.
>>>
>>> Trump is not going to win. Enough people will come to their senses.
>>>
>> So voting for Hiliary ISN'T taking leave of your senses?
>
> If the choice were only between Clinton and Trump, then no, voting for
> Clinton is the sensible thing to do.


Wow.

A woman who hasn't accomplished ANYTHING in her Senatorial terms.

A woman who let our embassy in Benghazi be overrun and burned..

A woman who lied at graveside to the parents of the dead Benghazi
heroes, blaming it on a youtube video, then called THEM liars when they
reported what she said to the press.

A woman who spearheaded the foreign policy that created us ISIS.

A woman who helped cut the worst deal with Iran in history.

Do you simply prefer mendacious incompetence, or is her zeal to
literally ruin this nation more attractive to you?

> You're as bad as poor dumb Harold. Both of you are agitated over an
> imaginary Hillary Clinton who only exists in your fetid imaginations.

She BIRTHED ISIS, you moron!

> I'm not a Clinton fan. I'm a realist.

Do feel free to highlight her extensive list of accomplishments as a
Senator and later Secy. of State.

Take all the screens you think you
need:______________________________________________________




Just Wondering

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American Dream

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Jun 28, 2016, 5:32:19 PM6/28/16
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YOU are a moron.

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-created-isis-obama-2016-1

Trump cited his past calls for the US to bomb the oil assets of the
Islamic State group, also known as ISIS.

"I've predicted a lot of things, you have to say, including, 'Get the
oil, take the oil, keep the oil.' Right? I've been saying that for three
years, and everybody said, 'Oh, I can't do that. I mean, this is a
sovereign country.' There is no country!" Trump exclaimed.

He then blamed US President Barack Obama and his former secretary of
state, Hillary Clinton, for the Islamic State's rise.

"They have a bunch of dishonest people," he continued. "They've created
ISIS. Hillary Clinton created ISIS with Obama - created with Obama. But
I love predicting because you know, ultimately, you need somebody with
vision."

The next morning on "Fox & Friends," Trump repeated his statement that
Clinton "created ISIS."

"She has a terrible record as secretary of state. I mean, she's
literally created ISIS," Trump said. "If you look at her, between her
and Obama, they're the ones - we have this big ISIS problem they created
with their bad policies and their bad thinking."

Rudy Canoza

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Jun 28, 2016, 5:32:42 PM6/28/16
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On 6/28/2016 2:24 PM, American Dream wrote:
> On 6/28/2016 3:06 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 6/28/2016 1:46 PM, hal lillywhite wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 at 12:34:57 PM UTC-7, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>
>>>> Trump is not going to win. Enough people will come to their senses.
>>>
>>> Voting for Hillary (or allowing her to win) is hardly sensible. She will
>>> destroy our freedom, what's left of it.
>>
>> If the choice is Clinton or Trump, Clinton is the better choice.
>
> Wow.
>
> A woman who hasn't accomplished ANYTHING in her Senatorial terms.

Irrelevant.

> A woman who let our embassy in Benghazi be overrun and burned..

No, she didn't.

> A woman who lied at graveside to the parents of the dead Benghazi
> heroes, blaming it on a youtube video, then called THEM liars when they
> reported what she said to the press.
>
> A woman who spearheaded the foreign policy that created us ISIS.
>
> A woman who helped cut the worst deal with Iran in history.
>
> Do you simply prefer mendacious incompetence, or is her zeal to ruin
> this nation more attractive to you?
>
>> You're an idiot with this "destroy our freedom" bullshit.
>
> You're insane if you want a DemoCrap stacking the SCOTUS with more
> Sotomayor's.

I don't. I just know that Trump would be worse. He's a complete crook
and proud of it.

>> Your visceral reaction against Clinton is completely irrational.
>
> Your tenuously insipid endorsement of her speaks volumes as to what you
> really are.

I already told you: I'm a realist. We have a shitty choice from the
two parties this year, but Trump is worse than Clinton, hands down.

Rudy Canoza

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Jun 28, 2016, 5:33:08 PM6/28/16
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On 6/28/2016 2:30 PM, American Dream wrote:
> On 6/28/2016 3:08 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 6/28/2016 1:56 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>> On 6/28/2016 1:35 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 6/28/2016 6:01 AM, Fred Brown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump and Clinton are neck and neck.
>>>>
>>>> Trump is not going to win. Enough people will come to their senses.
>>>>
>>> So voting for Hiliary ISN'T taking leave of your senses?
>>
>> If the choice were only between Clinton and Trump, then no, voting for
>> Clinton is the sensible thing to do.
>
>
> Wow.
>
> A woman who hasn't accomplished ANYTHING in her Senatorial terms.

You already said that. Only reply once from now on.

American Dream

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Jun 28, 2016, 5:34:52 PM6/28/16
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On 6/28/2016 3:24 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 6/28/2016 2:20 PM, Jeremy Bentham wrote:
>> In article <7vBcz.4677$ic1....@fx43.iad>
>> Just Wondering <fmh...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 6/28/2016 1:35 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 6/28/2016 6:01 AM, Fred Brown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump and Clinton are neck and neck.
>>>>
>>>> Trump is not going to win. Enough people will come to their senses.
>>>>
>>> So voting for Hiliary ISN'T taking leave of your senses?
>>
>> Compared to voting for Trump, not even close.
>
> Correct.

Bullshit lie!

> Clinton is a bad person and will make a bad president.

As in "I created ISIS" bad?

Because she did.


YOU are a moron.

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-created-isis-obama-2016-1

Trump cited his past calls for the US to bomb the oil assets of the
Islamic State group, also known as ISIS.

"I've predicted a lot of things, you have to say, including, 'Get the
oil, take the oil, keep the oil.' Right? I've been saying that for three
years, and everybody said, 'Oh, I can't do that. I mean, this is a
sovereign country.' There is no country!" Trump exclaimed.

He then blamed US President Barack Obama and his former secretary of
state, Hillary Clinton, for the Islamic State's rise.

"They have a bunch of dishonest people," he continued. "They've created
ISIS. Hillary Clinton created ISIS with Obama - created with Obama. But
I love predicting because you know, ultimately, you need somebody with
vision."

The next morning on "Fox & Friends," Trump repeated his statement that
Clinton "created ISIS."

"She has a terrible record as secretary of state. I mean, she's
literally created ISIS," Trump said. "If you look at her, between her
and Obama, they're the ones - we have this big ISIS problem they created
with their bad policies and their bad thinking."


> Trump is an evil person who would be a catastrophe as president.

That's an irrational statement and demonstrates your complete detachment
from reality.


American Dream

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Jun 28, 2016, 5:35:57 PM6/28/16
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If you're with ISIS or Iranian, she is your best choice by far!

American Dream

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Jun 28, 2016, 5:44:57 PM6/28/16
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On 6/28/2016 3:32 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 6/28/2016 2:24 PM, American Dream wrote:
>> On 6/28/2016 3:06 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 6/28/2016 1:46 PM, hal lillywhite wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 at 12:34:57 PM UTC-7, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Trump is not going to win. Enough people will come to their senses.
>>>>
>>>> Voting for Hillary (or allowing her to win) is hardly sensible. She
>>>> will
>>>> destroy our freedom, what's left of it.
>>>
>>> If the choice is Clinton or Trump, Clinton is the better choice.
>>
>> Wow.
>>
>> A woman who hasn't accomplished ANYTHING in her Senatorial terms.
>
> Irrelevant.

I see...

So her actual record when holding elected office doesn't matter?

Why not?

We know she birthed ISIS and sold us out to Iran too.

>> A woman who let our embassy in Benghazi be overrun and burned..
>
> No, she didn't.

She sure did:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/melanie-hunter/more-600-benghazi-security-requests-never-reached-clintons-desk-reports

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton acknowledged to the House
Select Committee on Benghazi on Thursday that of the more than 600
security requests related to Libya and Benghazi that came in in 2012
before the Sept. 11, 2012 terrorist attack none ever reached her desk.

However, Blumenthal’s 150 emails reached her desk,

>> A woman who lied at graveside to the parents of the dead Benghazi
>> heroes, blaming it on a youtube video, then called THEM liars when they
>> reported what she said to the press.
>>
>> A woman who spearheaded the foreign policy that created us ISIS.
>>
>> A woman who helped cut the worst deal with Iran in history.
>>
>> Do you simply prefer mendacious incompetence, or is her zeal to ruin
>> this nation more attractive to you?
>>
>>> You're an idiot with this "destroy our freedom" bullshit.
>>
>> You're insane if you want a DemoCrap stacking the SCOTUS with more
>> Sotomayor's.
>
> I don't. I just know that Trump would be worse.

Given he'd not appoint hard left activist Judges your premise fails.

> He's a complete crook and proud of it.

4 LEGAL Ch. 11 reorganizations out of nearly 500 business ventures.

Nope, no crimes there.

>>> Your visceral reaction against Clinton is completely irrational.
>>
>> Your tenuously insipid endorsement of her speaks volumes as to what you
>> really are.
>
> I already told you: I'm a realist.

Rationalization, and tepid too.

> We have a shitty choice from the
> two parties this year, but Trump is worse than Clinton, hands down.

You're insane then, hands down.

Btw, not a word from you on former N.M. Gov. Johnson?

Interesting...

American Dream

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Jun 28, 2016, 5:45:58 PM6/28/16
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No, I will repeat it as many times as it takes to drill through your
thick skull.

Nomen Nescio

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Jun 28, 2016, 6:09:07 PM6/28/16
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In article <o2Ccz.238687$_y3....@fx03.fr7>
+1

Bill Shatzer

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Jun 28, 2016, 6:23:35 PM6/28/16
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Just Wondering wrote:


> I'm no Trump fan, but I'd love a reasonable explanation why President
> Hiliary would be better than President Frito.


She's not crazy.

peace and justice,

SHITZER'S SHAME

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On 6/28/2016 4:23 PM, Bill Shatzer wrote:
> She's not crazy.

American Dream

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Jun 28, 2016, 7:01:18 PM6/28/16
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Shutup, toadie.

Rudy Canoza

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On 6/28/2016 2:34 PM, American Dream wrote:
> On 6/28/2016 3:24 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 6/28/2016 2:20 PM, Jeremy Bentham wrote:
>>> In article <7vBcz.4677$ic1....@fx43.iad>
>>> Just Wondering <fmh...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 6/28/2016 1:35 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>> On 6/28/2016 6:01 AM, Fred Brown wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump and Clinton are neck and neck.
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump is not going to win. Enough people will come to their senses.
>>>>>
>>>> So voting for Hiliary ISN'T taking leave of your senses?
>>>
>>> Compared to voting for Trump, not even close.
>>
>> Correct.
>
> Bullshit lie!

No.

>> Clinton is a bad person and will make a bad president.
>
> As in "I created ISIS" bad?
>
> Because she did.

What bullshit. No, she didn't.

Rudy Canoza

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On 6/28/2016 2:44 PM, American Dream wrote:
> On 6/28/2016 3:32 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 6/28/2016 2:24 PM, American Dream wrote:
>>> On 6/28/2016 3:06 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 6/28/2016 1:46 PM, hal lillywhite wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 at 12:34:57 PM UTC-7, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump is not going to win. Enough people will come to their senses.
>>>>>
>>>>> Voting for Hillary (or allowing her to win) is hardly sensible. She
>>>>> will
>>>>> destroy our freedom, what's left of it.
>>>>
>>>> If the choice is Clinton or Trump, Clinton is the better choice.
>>>
>>> Wow.
>>>
>>> A woman who hasn't accomplished ANYTHING in her Senatorial terms.
>>
>> Irrelevant.
>
> I see...
>
> So her actual record when holding elected office doesn't matter?

No, her record as senator doesn't matter.


> We know she birthed ISIS and sold us out to Iran too.

Bullshit.

Fuck off.

Anonymous Remailer (austria)

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Jun 28, 2016, 8:15:49 PM6/28/16
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In article <nkuvjt$eal$2...@dont-email.me>
Yawn.

FPP

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On 2016-06-28 13:01:10 +0000, "Fred Brown" <fred...@nowherenohow.com> said:

>
> "Rudy Canoza" <c...@philhendrie.con> wrote in message
> news:A8ocz.119744$9X5.1...@fx19.fr7...
>> On 6/27/2016 4:11 PM, Nod wrote:
>>> [...]
>>
>> He won't.
>
> Yes he will. You're relying on faulty polling data.
> Polling just Clinton and Trump has HC at 46% and DT at 41%
> Now include Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson and Green Party
> candidate Jill Stein both of whom will be on the November ballot
> and the numbers are now HC 39% DT 38%, Johnson 10% and
> Stein 6%
>
> Trump and Clinton are neck and neck.

Elections aren't won nationally... they're won in the swing states.

Trump is going to get killed... first in the debates, and then in November.

Au revoir dignity...
--
Donald J. Trump: The asteroid destined to destroy a party of dinosaurs. -S Bee

FPP

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Jun 28, 2016, 9:26:10 PM6/28/16
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And you think voting for Trump is?

He's a one man wrecking machine who declared Chapter 11 4 times, and is
on trial for swindling people with his "university".

He's lost the hispanic vote, the woman's vote, the black vote, the
jewish vote, the asian vote, the native american vote, the gay vote,
the muslim vote, and both the pro, AND the anti-abortion votes.

So, who's left? I mean, besides the cheeto-faced vote...

American Dream

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On 6/28/2016 6:08 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 6/28/2016 2:34 PM, American Dream wrote:
>> On 6/28/2016 3:24 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 6/28/2016 2:20 PM, Jeremy Bentham wrote:
>>>> In article <7vBcz.4677$ic1....@fx43.iad>
>>>> Just Wondering <fmh...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/28/2016 1:35 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/28/2016 6:01 AM, Fred Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump and Clinton are neck and neck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump is not going to win. Enough people will come to their senses.
>>>>>>
>>>>> So voting for Hiliary ISN'T taking leave of your senses?
>>>>
>>>> Compared to voting for Trump, not even close.
>>>
>>> Correct.
>>
>> Bullshit lie!
>
> No.

A left-stacked activist SCOTUS is your reward.

I wager you won't like that.

>>> Clinton is a bad person and will make a bad president.
>>
>> As in "I created ISIS" bad?
>>
>> Because she did.
>
> What bullshit. No, she didn't.

Yes she and Obola did, this is undeniable.

American Dream

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Jun 28, 2016, 9:53:40 PM6/28/16
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Oh, so you think her scintillating record of calamaties and collapses as
Secretary of State is appealing?

Wow.

>> We know she birthed ISIS and sold us out to Iran too.
>
> Bullshit.
>
> Fuck off.

You KNOW that in tandem with Obola they created a power void in the
region and then filled it.

This is not in dispute.

FPP

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On 2016-06-28 21:30:37 +0000, American Dream <de...@r.done> said:

> Do feel free to highlight her extensive list of accomplishments as a
> Senator and later Secy. of State.
>
> Take all the screens you think you
> need:______________________________________________________

> Even though her major initiative, the Clinton healthcare plan, failed
> (due to Republican obstruction), you cannot deny that it laid ground
> for what we have today, the Affordable Healthcare Act, something
> Clinton supports and would continue.
>
> She played a leading role in the development of State Children’s Health
> Insurance Program, which provides the much-needed state support for
> children whose parents cannot afford nor provide them with adequate
> healthcare coverage.
>
> She was also instrumental in the creation of the Adoption and Safe
> Families Act and the Foster Care Independence Act.
> Successfully fought to increase research funding for prostate cancer
> and asthma at the National Institute of Health (NIH).
>
> She spearheaded investigations into mental illness plaguing veterans of
> the Gulf War; we now have a term for it – Gulf War Syndrome.
>
> At the Department of Justice, she helped create the office on Violence
> Against Women.
>
> She was instrumental in securing over $21 billion in funding for the
> World Trade Center redevelopment.
>
> Took a leading role in the investigation of health consequences of
> first responders and drafted the first bill to compensate and offer the
> health services our first responders deserve (Clinton’s successor in
> the Senate, Kirsten Gillibrand, passed the bill).
>
> Was instrumental in working out a bi-partisan compromise to address
> civil liberty abuses for the renewal of the U.S. Patriot Act.
>
> Proposed a revival of the New Deal-era Home Owners’ Loan Corporation to
> help homeowners refinance their mortgages in the wake of the 2008
> financial disaster.
>
> Was a major proponent of sensible diplomacy which brought about a
> ceasefire between Hamas and Israel, and brokered human rights with
> Burma.
>
> Oversaw free trade agreements with our allies such as Panama, Colombia,
> and South Korea.
>
> Was the most traveled Secretary of State to date.
>
> The Clinton Foundation, founded by her and her husband, has improved
> the living conditions for nearly 400 million people in over 180
> countries through its Initiative program.

Just a few... I didn't think you'd bother to read them, anyway.

So, name something Trump has done for anybody except Trump.

FPP

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American Wet Dream... stay classy.

in situ retort

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On 6/28/2016 7:22 PM, FPP wrote:
> Trump is going to get killed...

FWD: Secret Service.

FPP

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She understands governing, politics, foreign affairs, domestic affairs,
and can walk and chew gum at the same time - unlike Trump, who
understands nothing but separating rubes from their hard earned coin.

in situ retort

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On 6/28/2016 7:26 PM, FPP wrote:
> On 2016-06-28 20:56:43 +0000, Just Wondering <fmh...@comcast.net> said:
>
>> On 6/28/2016 1:35 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 6/28/2016 6:01 AM, Fred Brown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Trump and Clinton are neck and neck.
>>>
>>> Trump is not going to win. Enough people will come to their senses.
>>>
>> So voting for Hiliary ISN'T taking leave of your senses?
>
> And you think voting for Trump is?
>
> He's a one man wrecking machine who declared Chapter 11 4 times,


Out of 500 business ventures.

> and is on trial for swindling people with his "university".

There is no trial.

Stop lying.

> He's lost the hispanic vote, the woman's vote, the black vote, the
> jewish vote, the asian vote, the native american vote, the gay vote, the

Wow, a real race-baiting libitard bigot you are....


FPP

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He's a Trumpanzee... try a banana.

That's the best bet to get him off the subject

FPP

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On 2016-06-28 21:31:12 +0000, Just Wondering <fmh...@comcast.net> said:

> On 6/28/2016 3:20 PM, Jeremy Bentham wrote:
>> Just Wondering <fmh...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> On 6/28/2016 1:35 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 6/28/2016 6:01 AM, Fred Brown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump and Clinton are neck and neck.
>>>>
>>>> Trump is not going to win. Enough people will come to their senses.
>>>>
>>> So voting for Hiliary ISN'T taking leave of your senses?
>>
>> Compared to voting for Trump, not even close.
>>
> I'm no Trump fan, but I'd love a reasonable explanation why President
> Hiliary would be better than President Frito.

I'd love a reasonable explanation as to why you keep asking the same question?

Didn't you like the first 40, or so, answers?

FPP

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I've already tired of this troll.

You really need to step up your game - it wasn't even a week, this
time. See you next nym.
--
Trump Claim: Ambassador Chris Stevens "was left helpless to die as
Hillary Clinton soundly slept in her bed...”
Fact: The attack in Benghazi was at 3:45 pm, Eastern. Hillary was wide
awake when the call came in. Trump is a liar.

Rudy Canoza

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On 6/28/2016 6:51 PM, American Dream wrote:
> On 6/28/2016 6:08 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 6/28/2016 2:34 PM, American Dream wrote:
>>> On 6/28/2016 3:24 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 6/28/2016 2:20 PM, Jeremy Bentham wrote:
>>>>> In article <7vBcz.4677$ic1....@fx43.iad>
>>>>> Just Wondering <fmh...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/28/2016 1:35 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/28/2016 6:01 AM, Fred Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trump and Clinton are neck and neck.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump is not going to win. Enough people will come to their senses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> So voting for Hiliary ISN'T taking leave of your senses?
>>>>>
>>>>> Compared to voting for Trump, not even close.
>>>>
>>>> Correct.
>>>
>>> Bullshit lie!
>>
>> No.
>
> A left-stacked activist SCOTUS is your reward.
>
> I wager you won't like that.

You're right, I won't, but it won't be that left. It will be Stephen
Breyer left - bad, but tolerable.

If the Republicans hadn't caved in to Sarah Palin style meth addicts,
maybe they would have a good candidate to run against Clinton.

>>>> Clinton is a bad person and will make a bad president.
>>>
>>> As in "I created ISIS" bad?
>>>
>>> Because she did.
>>
>> What bullshit. No, she didn't.
>
> Yes she and Obola did, this is undeniable.

No, she didn't. Not a shred of evidence.

Rudy Canoza

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On 6/28/2016 6:53 PM, American Dream wrote:
> On 6/28/2016 6:10 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 6/28/2016 2:44 PM, American Dream wrote:
>>> On 6/28/2016 3:32 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 6/28/2016 2:24 PM, American Dream wrote:
>>>>> On 6/28/2016 3:06 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/28/2016 1:46 PM, hal lillywhite wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 at 12:34:57 PM UTC-7, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trump is not going to win. Enough people will come to their
>>>>>>>> senses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Voting for Hillary (or allowing her to win) is hardly sensible. She
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> destroy our freedom, what's left of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the choice is Clinton or Trump, Clinton is the better choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow.
>>>>>
>>>>> A woman who hasn't accomplished ANYTHING in her Senatorial terms.
>>>>
>>>> Irrelevant.
>>>
>>> I see...
>>>
>>> So her actual record when holding elected office doesn't matter?
>>
>> No, her record as senator doesn't matter.
>
> Oh, so you think her scintillating record of calamaties and collapses as
> Secretary of State is appealing?

I think she isn't as bad a disaster as Trump.

>>> We know she birthed ISIS and sold us out to Iran too.
>>
>> Bullshit.
>>
>> Fuck off.
>
> You KNOW that in tandem with Obola they created a power void in the
> region and then filled it.

Bullshit.

Everything you say about ISIS and Benghazi and all the rest is bullshit,
spoonfed to you by some worthless web site.

Rudy Canoza

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On 6/28/2016 6:53 PM, American Dream wrote:

>
>>> We know she birthed ISIS and sold us out to Iran too.
>>
>> Bullshit.
>>
>> Fuck off.
>
> You KNOW that in tandem with Obola they created a power void in the
> region and then filled it.

George W. Bush created ISIS by invading Iraq.

Rudy Canoza

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No, you didn't forward anything to the Secret Service, stupid fucking liar.

Nomen Nescio

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In article <nkv9iu$72d$1...@dont-email.me>
American Dream <de...@r.done> wrote:
>
> On 6/28/2016 6:08 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> > On 6/28/2016 2:34 PM, American Dream wrote:
> >> On 6/28/2016 3:24 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> >>> On 6/28/2016 2:20 PM, Jeremy Bentham wrote:
> >>>> In article <7vBcz.4677$ic1....@fx43.iad>
> >>>> Just Wondering <fmh...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 6/28/2016 1:35 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> >>>>>> On 6/28/2016 6:01 AM, Fred Brown wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Trump and Clinton are neck and neck.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Trump is not going to win. Enough people will come to their senses.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> So voting for Hiliary ISN'T taking leave of your senses?
> >>>>
> >>>> Compared to voting for Trump, not even close.
> >>>
> >>> Correct.
> >>
> >> Bullshit lie!
> >
> > No.
>
> A left-stacked activist SCOTUS is your reward.
>
> I wager you won't like that.
>

You'd lose that wager. A right-stacked activist SCOTUS would destroy
the country.

American Dream

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On 6/28/2016 7:54 PM, FPP wrote:
> The Clinton Foundation, founded by her and her husband, has improved the
> living conditions


It is a massive tax fraud money laundering scheme run through Canada,
you oat-brained halfwit!

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/clinton-foundation-refiles-taxes-after-charges-it-ran-a-slush-fund/

The Clinton Foundation has amended four years of tax forms due to
"errors" in reporting foreign-government donations. A routine move?
Hardly. It's more like another attempt to clean up Hillary Clinton's past.

The foundation, of course, styled it as mere accounting formality, a
bookkeeping adjustment to make sure all the niceties of U.S. tax law
have been met. Nothing to see here.

"There is no change in our bottom-line numbers: assets, liabilities and
net assets," said Foundation President Donna Shalala, after refiling
taxes for the years 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013. "There is nothing to
suggest that the Foundation intended to conceal the receipt of
government grants, which we report on our website."

Nothing? How about this: For years, the foundation used a charitable
shell in Canada for the purpose of bundling donations from foreign
nations and politicians.

That charity, taking advantage of Canada's strict privacy laws, then
gave the foreign donations to the U.S.-based Clinton Foundation as one
big bundle. Just another major donation to a worthy cause.

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But who gave to the Canadian charity? More than 1,000 foreign leaders,
national governments and others with reasons to curry favor with former
President Bill and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

The Clinton Foundation claims it only "inadvertently" bundled the
foreign donations. It also says it mistakenly counted money received for
speeches by the Clintons as "donations" rather than as revenue.

All told, some $20 million in gifts were "amended" by the foundation's
refilings. It was also revealed that the foundation raised almost $178
million in 2014, while Hillary was still employed by the foundation.

The media have tried to play all this off as some kind of "he said, she
said," political duel between the Democratic front-runner and
Republicans. "Republicans have sought to draw attention to the
(foundation's) spending, calling it a 'slush fund' for the Clintons and
arguing that donations received from foreign entities were given to
curry favor with Hillary Clinton while she was secretary of state," The
Hill noted in its coverage.

Actually, "slush fund" may be too kind. It's no coincidence that the
years of "voluntary" tax refilings coincide with Clinton's years at
State. Or that some of the 30,000 emails erased from her private email
server might have held communications with foreign donors to the
foundation — a clear violation of the law.

As we wrote last week in our Capital Hill blog, this has the "potential
to be the Mother of all Clinton Scandals." The FBI already is
investigating, which raises the question: Is the refiling just a gambit
for presidential candidate Hillary Clinton to appear as if she and the
family foundation are operating within the law?

To its credit, the Washington Post reported in February that foreign
governments gave millions to the Clinton Foundation while Hillary headed
the State Department. They included Kuwait, Qatar, Oman, Australia,
Norway and the Dominican Republic.

That seemed impossible, since an agreement in 2008 that the foundation
signed with the U.S. government had supposedly limited its
foreign-government gifts.

But, in fact, it "did not prohibit foreign countries with interests
before the U.S. government from giving money to the charity closely
linked to the secretary of state," the Post wrote.

In short, it was a sham — one that appears to have enriched the Clinton
clan to the tune of millions of dollars, while posing the foundation as
a legitimate charity.

If Hillary someday becomes president, she'll pick up right where her
husband left off — with a cloud of scandal over her head.

American Dream

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On 6/28/2016 7:54 PM, FPP wrote:
Go gargle with a ground lightbulb.

American Dream

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On 6/28/2016 7:56 PM, FPP wrote:
> She understands governing, politics, foreign affairs,

So much so that she gave the world ISIS?

Nice...

American Dream

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On 6/28/2016 7:58 PM, FPP wrote:
> On 2016-06-29 00:08:59 +0000, Rudy Canoza <c...@philhendrie.con> said:
>
>> On 6/28/2016 2:34 PM, American Dream wrote:
>>> On 6/28/2016 3:24 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 6/28/2016 2:20 PM, Jeremy Bentham wrote:
>>>>> In article <7vBcz.4677$ic1....@fx43.iad>
>>>>> Just Wondering <fmh...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/28/2016 1:35 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/28/2016 6:01 AM, Fred Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trump and Clinton are neck and neck.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump is not going to win. Enough people will come to their senses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> So voting for Hiliary ISN'T taking leave of your senses?
>>>>>
>>>>> Compared to voting for Trump, not even close.
>>>>
>>>> Correct.
>>>
>>> Bullshit lie!
>>
>> No.
>>
>>>> Clinton is a bad person and will make a bad president.
>>>
>>> As in "I created ISIS" bad?
>>>
>>> Because she did.
>>
>> What bullshit. No, she didn't.
>
> He's a Trumpanzee... try a banana.

Try reality:

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/14/hillary-clinton-received-secret-memo-stating-obama-admin-support-for-isis/

WASHINGTON, DC — Hillary Clinton received a classified intelligence
report stating that the Obama administration was actively supporting Al
Qaeda in Iraq, the terrorist group that became the Islamic State.
The memo made clear that Al Qaeda in Iraq was speaking through Muhammad
Al Adnani, who is now the senior spokesman for the Islamic State, also
known as ISIS. Western and Gulf states were supporting the terrorist
group to try to overthrow Syrian dictator Bashar al Assad, who was being
propped up by the Russians, Iranians, and Chinese.

In August 2012, a “SECRET” classified memo was sent to various top Obama
administration officials and agencies, including to the State Department
and to Clinton’s office personally.

“The document is an IAR, an intelligence information report,” said
Christopher J. Farrell, who serves on the board of directors of Judicial
Watch, which obtained the document. “It is produced by somebody within
the Defense intelligence agency (DIA). It is reporting from the field by
an intelligence agent” who could be a U.S. government agent, a defense
attaché, or a source.

“It’s a report from the field back to headquarters with some
intelligence that somebody is willing to bet their career on,” Farrell said.

Farrell confirmed that the report was sent to Clinton’s office, based on
the recipient marking “RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHINGTON DC.”

The report identifies Al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) as being one of the
principal elements of the Syrian opposition, which the West was choosing
to “support.”

THE GENERAL SITUATION:

A. INTERNALLY, EVENTS ARE TAKING A CLEAR SECTARIAN DIRECTION.

B. THE SALAFIST, THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD, AND AQI ARE THE MAJOR FORCES
DRIVING THE INSURGENCY IN SYRIA.

C. THE WEST, GULF COUNTRIES, AND TURKEY SUPPORT THE OPPOSITION; WHILE
RUSSIA, CHINA, AND IRAN SUPPORT THE REGIME.

The intelligence report contains an extensive backgrounder on AQI and
its methods and capabilities, noting that AQI was speaking through the
spokesman of the Islamic State of Iraq Muhammad Al Adnani.

Al Adnani is now the chief spokesman for the current version of the
Islamic State, also known as ISIS.

According to the report:

AL QAEDA – IRAQ (AQI):

A. AQI IS FAMILIAR WITH SYRIA. AQI TRAINED IN SYRIA AND THEN INFILTRATED
INTO IRAQ.

B. AQI SUPPORTED THE SYRIAN OPPOSITION FROM THE BEGINNING, BOTH
IDEOLOGICALLY AND THROUGH THE MEDIA. AQI DECLARED ITS OPPOSITION OF
ASSAD’S GOVERNMENT BECAUSE IT CONSIDERED IT A SECTARIAN REGIME TARGETING
SUNNIS.

C. AQI CONDUCTED A NUMBER OF OPERATIONS IN SEVERAL SYRIAN CITIES UNDER
THE NAME OF JAISH AL NUSRA (VICTORIOUS ARMY), ONE OF ITS AFFILIATES.

D. AQI, THROUGH THE SPOKESMAN OF THE ISLAMIC STATE OF IRAQ (ISI) ABU
MUHAMMAD AL ADNANI, DECLARED THE SYRIAN REGIME AS THE SPEARHEAD OF WHAT
HE IS NAMING JIBHA AL RUWAFDH (FOREFRONT OF THE SHIITES) BECAUSE OF ITS
(THE SYRIAN REGIME) DECLARATION OF WAR ON THE SUNNIS. ADDITIONALLY, HE
IS CALLING ON THE SUNNIS IN IRAQ, ESPECIALLY THE TRIBES IN THE BORDER
REGIONS (BETWEEN IRAQ AND SYRIA), TO WAGE WAR AGAINST THE SYRIAN REGIME,
REGARDING SYRIA AS AN INFIDEL REGIME FOR ITS SUPPORT TO THE INFIDEL
PARTY HEZBOLLAH, AND OTHER REGIMES HE CONSIDERS DISSENTERS LIKE IRAN AND
IRAQ.

E. AQI CONSIDERS THE SUNNI ISSUE IN IRAQ TO BE FATEFULLY CONNECTED TO
THE SUNNI ARABS AND MUSLIMS.

The intelligence report also predicts the rise of a broad “Islamic
State” forming from segments of Al Adnani’s group:

THIS CREATES THE IDEAL ATMOSPHERE FOR AQI TO RETURN TO ITS OLD POCKETS
IN MOSUL AND RAMADI, AND WILL PROVIDE A RENEWED MOMENTUM UNDER THE
PRESUMPTION OF UNIFYING THE JIHAD AMONG SUNNI IRAQ AND SYRIA, AND THE
REST OF THE SUNNIS IN THE ARAB WORLD AGAINST WHAT IT CONSIDERS ONE
ENEMY, THE DISSENTERS. ISI COULD ALSO DECLARE AN ISLAMIC STATE THROUGH
ITS UNION WITH OTHER TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS IN IRAQ AND SYRIA, WHICH
WILL CREATE GRAVE DANGER IN REGARDS TO UNIFYING IRAQ AND THE PROTECTION
OF ITS TERRITORY.

“AQI HAD MAJOR POCKETS AND BASES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BORDER TO
FACILITATE THE FLOW OF MATERIEL AND RECRUITS,” the report states.

“THERE WAS A REGRESSION OF AQI IN THE WESTERN PROVINCES OF IRAQ DURING
THE YEARS OF 2009 AND 2010; HOWEVER, AFTER THE RISE OF THE INSURGENCY IN
SYRIA, THE RELIGIOUS AND TRIBAL POWERS IN THE REGIONS BEGAN TO
SYMPATHIZE WITH THE SECTARIAN UPRISING. THIS (SYMPATHY) APPEARED IN
FRIDAY PRAYER SERMONS, WHICH CALLED FOR VOLUNTEERS TO SUPPORT THE
SUNNI’S IN SYRIA,” the report continues.

“IN PREVIOUS YEARS A MAJORITY OF AQI FIGHTERS ENTERED IRAQ PRIMARILY VIA
THE SYRIAN BORDER.”

Al Adnani was named by the State Department as a “Specially Designated
Global Terrorist” in 2014.

The Clinton campaign did not immediately return a request for comment on
this report.

American Dream

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> I'd love a reasonable explanation as to why you keep asking the same
> question?

American Dream

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You will be found and dealt with in due time.

American Dream

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On 6/28/2016 8:24 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 6/28/2016 6:51 PM, American Dream wrote:
>> On 6/28/2016 6:08 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 6/28/2016 2:34 PM, American Dream wrote:
>>>> On 6/28/2016 3:24 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>> On 6/28/2016 2:20 PM, Jeremy Bentham wrote:
>>>>>> In article <7vBcz.4677$ic1....@fx43.iad>
>>>>>> Just Wondering <fmh...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/28/2016 1:35 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/28/2016 6:01 AM, Fred Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trump and Clinton are neck and neck.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trump is not going to win. Enough people will come to their
>>>>>>>> senses.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So voting for Hiliary ISN'T taking leave of your senses?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Compared to voting for Trump, not even close.
>>>>>
>>>>> Correct.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit lie!
>>>
>>> No.
>>
>> A left-stacked activist SCOTUS is your reward.
>>
>> I wager you won't like that.
>
> You're right, I won't, but it won't be that left.

That's witless whistling past our grave.

> It will be Stephen
> Breyer left - bad, but tolerable.

No, it will be Sotomayor incompetent activist left.

> If the Republicans hadn't caved in to Sarah Palin style meth addicts,
> maybe they would have a good candidate to run against Clinton.

You're losing all credibility now.

Interesting meltdown though.

>>>>> Clinton is a bad person and will make a bad president.
>>>>
>>>> As in "I created ISIS" bad?
>>>>
>>>> Because she did.
>>>
>>> What bullshit. No, she didn't.
>>
>> Yes she and Obola did, this is undeniable.
>
> No, she didn't. Not a shred of evidence.
>
Onward:

American Dream

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On 6/28/2016 8:25 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 6/28/2016 6:53 PM, American Dream wrote:
>> On 6/28/2016 6:10 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 6/28/2016 2:44 PM, American Dream wrote:
>>>> On 6/28/2016 3:32 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>> On 6/28/2016 2:24 PM, American Dream wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/28/2016 3:06 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/28/2016 1:46 PM, hal lillywhite wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 at 12:34:57 PM UTC-7, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trump is not going to win. Enough people will come to their
>>>>>>>>> senses.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Voting for Hillary (or allowing her to win) is hardly sensible. She
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> destroy our freedom, what's left of it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the choice is Clinton or Trump, Clinton is the better choice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A woman who hasn't accomplished ANYTHING in her Senatorial terms.
>>>>>
>>>>> Irrelevant.
>>>>
>>>> I see...
>>>>
>>>> So her actual record when holding elected office doesn't matter?
>>>
>>> No, her record as senator doesn't matter.
>>
>> Oh, so you think her scintillating record of calamaties and collapses as
>> Secretary of State is appealing?
>
> I think she isn't as bad a disaster as Trump.

You don't so much think as you knee jerk.

She CREATED ISIS, dolt.

Their killings are now on YOUR hands.

>>>> We know she birthed ISIS and sold us out to Iran too.
>>>
>>> Bullshit.
>>>
>>> Fuck off.
>>
>> You KNOW that in tandem with Obola they created a power void in the
>> region and then filled it.
>
> Bullshit.
>
> Everything you say about ISIS and Benghazi and all the rest is bullshit,
> spoonfed to you by some worthless web site.
>

I will enjoy burying you:

American Dream

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Nope.

NO ISIS existed until the red line in the sand was cowardly drawn by Obola.

This is fact - undeniable.

ISIS is Syrian policy gone bad.

in situ retort

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On 6/28/2016 8:30 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 6/28/2016 6:55 PM, in situ retort wrote:
>> On 6/28/2016 7:22 PM, FPP wrote:
>>> Trump is going to get killed...
>>
>> FWD: Secret Service.
>
> No,
Yes.

American Dream

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Jun 29, 2016, 12:22:16 AM6/29/16
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Are you Trudy?

> A right-stacked activist SCOTUS would destroy
> the country.

Traitors like you will be found and executed.

Rudy Canoza

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Rudy Canoza

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No, she didn't.

Rudy Canoza

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On 6/28/2016 9:13 PM, American Dream wrote:
> On 6/28/2016 7:59 PM, FPP wrote:
>> I'd love a reasonable explanation as to why you keep asking the same
>> question?
>
> http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/14/hillary-clinton-received-secret-memo-stating-obama-admin-support-for-isis/
>
>
> WASHINGTON, DC — Hillary Clinton received a classified intelligence
> report stating that the Obama administration was actively supporting Al
> Qaeda in Iraq,

No, she didn't.

Rudy Canoza

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Jun 29, 2016, 12:37:41 AM6/29/16
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No. No "cull", no "list", none of that bullshit.

>
> http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/14/hillary-clinton-received-secret-memo-stating-obama-admin-support-for-isis/
>
>
> WASHINGTON, DC — Hillary Clinton received a classified intelligence
> report stating that the Obama administration was actively supporting Al
> Qaeda in Iraq,

No, she didn't.

Rudy Canoza

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Jun 29, 2016, 12:38:47 AM6/29/16
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No. That's not who Clinton is.

>> If the Republicans hadn't caved in to Sarah Palin style meth addicts,
>> maybe they would have a good candidate to run against Clinton.
>
> You're losing all credibility now.

Not in the least. I'm kicking your ass. If I had the opportunity to
see you in person, I'd smash a shovel into your Nazi face.

Rudy Canoza

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Jun 29, 2016, 12:40:17 AM6/29/16
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That's *all* I do, shitbag.

> She CREATED ISIS, dolt.

Nope. George W. Bush did
>>>>> We know she birthed ISIS and sold us out to Iran too.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>
>>>> Fuck off.
>>>
>>> You KNOW that in tandem with Obola they created a power void in the
>>> region and then filled it.
>>
>> Bullshit.
>>
>> Everything you say about ISIS and Benghazi and all the rest is bullshit,
>> spoonfed to you by some worthless web site.
>>
>
> I will enjoy burying you

You won't. I'm killing you.

>
> WASHINGTON, DC — Hillary Clinton received a classified intelligence
> report stating that the Obama administration was actively supporting Al
> Qaeda in Iraq,

No, she didn't.

FPP

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Jun 29, 2016, 12:46:04 AM6/29/16
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Don't forget about the Lindberg baby...

Rudy Canoza

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Jun 29, 2016, 12:48:21 AM6/29/16
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On 6/28/2016 9:19 PM, American Dream wrote:
> On 6/28/2016 8:28 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 6/28/2016 6:53 PM, American Dream wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>> We know she birthed ISIS and sold us out to Iran too.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>
>>>> Fuck off.
>>>
>>> You KNOW that in tandem with Obola they created a power void in the
>>> region and then filled it.
>>
>> George W. Bush created ISIS by invading Iraq.
>>
>
> Nope.

Yep:

Rudy Canoza

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Jun 29, 2016, 12:52:02 AM6/29/16
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>>> FWD: Secret Service.
>>
>> No, you didn't forward anything to the Secret Service, stupid fucking liar.
>
> Yes.

No, nothing was forwarded to the Secret Service - guaranteed.

Just Wondering

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Jun 29, 2016, 4:47:42 AM6/29/16
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On 6/28/2016 7:56 PM, FPP wrote:
> On 2016-06-28 21:32:42 Just Wondering said:
>> On 6/28/2016 3:24 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 6/28/2016 2:20 PM, Jeremy Bentham wrote:
>>>> In article <7vBcz.4677$ic1....@fx43.iad>
>>>> Just Wondering <fmh...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/28/2016 1:35 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/28/2016 6:01 AM, Fred Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump and Clinton are neck and neck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump is not going to win. Enough people will come to their senses.
>>>>>>
>>>>> So voting for Hiliary ISN'T taking leave of your senses?
>>>>
>>>> Compared to voting for Trump, not even close.
>>>
>>> Correct. Clinton is a bad person and will make a bad president. Trump
>>> is an evil person who would be a catastrophe as president.
>>>
>> I'm no Trump fan, but I'd love a reasonable explanation why President
>> Hiliary would be better than President Frito.
>
> She understands governing, politics, foreign affairs, domestic affairs,
>
I have seen no evidence of that. And even if she "understands" those
things, her policies suck, she could never get anything of substance
through a Republican-controlled House, and she's a scandle-ridden,
bought-and-paid-for big-time establishment lesbian ass-kisser, something
the swing voters aren't exactly enamored of.

> unlike Trump, who understands nothing but
> separating rubes from their hard earned coin.

Just Wondering

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Jun 29, 2016, 5:06:29 AM6/29/16
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On 6/28/2016 7:26 PM, FPP wrote:
> On 2016-06-28 20:56:43 +0000, Just Wondering said:
>> On 6/28/2016 1:35 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 6/28/2016 6:01 AM, Fred Brown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Trump and Clinton are neck and neck.
>>>
>>> Trump is not going to win. Enough people will come to their senses.
>>>
>> So voting for Hiliary ISN'T taking leave of your senses?
>
> And you think voting for Trump is?
>
As of now, I sort of plan to vote for one of these:
Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson
Write-in vote for Ted Cruz
Write-in vote for "None of the above".

> He's a one man wrecking machine who declared Chapter 11 4 times, and is
> on trial for swindling people with his "university".
>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization
"The Trump Organization has interests in real estate development,
investing, brokerage, sales and marketing, and property management. The
company owns, operates, invests, and develops residential real estate,
hotels, resorts, residential towers, and golf courses in different
countries, as well as owning several hundred thousand square feet of
prime Manhattan real estate. It lists involvement in 515 subsidiaries
and entities with 264 of them bearing Trump's name and another 54
including his initials. With investments within the United States and
globally, The Trump Organization spans a wide variety of industries
including real estate, construction, hospitality, entertainment, book
and magazine publishing, media, model management, retail, financial
services, board game development, food and beverages, business
education, online travel, airlines, helicopter air services and beauty
pageants. It owns a New York television production company that
produces television programs including the reality television program,
The Apprentice. Furthermore, the company engages in retailing providing
fashion apparel, home furnishings, jewelry and accessories, books,
chocolate bars, furniture, lighting products, bath textiles and
accessories, bedding and home fragrance products, small leather goods,
crystal stemware, barware and gifts, and bottled spring water."

Yes, he apparently caused four of those 515 companies to file for
Chapter 11. In today's economy 4 out of 515 isn't so bad. And Trump
personally has never filed for bankruptcy. Meanwhile, Hiliary who never
ran a thing in her life except her mouth cried about having been dead
broke while hauling in millions of dollars in influence peddling -
excuse me, "speaking engagements".


trotsky

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Jun 29, 2016, 5:18:09 AM6/29/16
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On 6/28/16 8:56 PM, FPP wrote:
> On 2016-06-28 21:32:42 +0000, Just Wondering <fmh...@comcast.net> said:

>> I'm no Trump fan, but I'd love a reasonable explanation why President
>> Hiliary would be better than President Frito.
>
> She understands governing, politics, foreign affairs, domestic affairs,
> and can walk and chew gum at the same time - unlike Trump, who
> understands nothing but separating rubes from their hard earned coin.


This just in from Trump, re: the suicide bombing in Turkey: they're
going to have to keep the Turks out of the country until they can figure
out what the hell is going on.

American Dream

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Jun 29, 2016, 10:16:03 AM6/29/16
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On 6/28/2016 10:35 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 6/28/2016 9:09 PM, American Dream wrote:
>> On 6/28/2016 7:56 PM, FPP wrote:
>>> She understands governing, politics, foreign affairs,
>>
>> So much so that she gave the world ISIS?
>
> She didn't. George W. Bush did.
>

Bullshit lie, Iraq was secured before Obama.

Syria was not in flames.

ISIS did NOT exist before Obama's feckless "red line in the sand".

These things are indisputable, even for an argue-bot like yourself.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/22/syria-iraq-incubators-isis-jihad

Three years ago, the Islamic State (Isis) did not exist; now it controls
vast swaths of Syria and Iraq.

Facing Assad's army and intelligence services, Lebanon's Hezbollah,
Iraq's Shia Islamist militias and their grand patron, Iran's
Revolutionary Guards, Syria's initially peaceful protesters quickly
became disenchanted, disillusioned and disenfranchised – and then
radicalised and violently militant.

The Shia Islamist axis used chemical weapons, artillery and barrel bombs
to preserve its crescent of influence. Syria's Sunni Arab
revolutionaries in turn sought international assistance, and when the
world refused, they embraced a pact with the devil, al-Qaida.

With its fiercely loyal army of transnational jihadis, al-Qaida once
again gained a foothold in the heart of the Middle East. Fuelled by the
hate and fear engendered by images of dismembered children or women
suffering from the effects of chemical weapons, disaffected youth from
around the world rushed to Syria, fuelling an ever more violent race to
the bottom.

http://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/473025/syria-red-line-that-wasnt/

In August of 2012, Barack Obama made a statement that Bashar al-Assad’s
use of chemical weapons would constitute a “red line.” When Assad’s army
killed more than 1,400 people with sarin gas one year later, the
president initially believed that he would carry out a strike. Atlantic
national correspondent Jeffrey Goldberg takes us inside the day that
Obama broke with the Washington playbook with his last-minute decision
not to bomb Syria.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/03/obama-the-dark-knight-explains-isis.html

Obama Deeply Proud of That Time He Broke His Promise on Syria, and 12
Other Revelations From His Unbelievably Frank Interview With The Atlantic

One of the best moments of his presidency was that time he broke his
promise about Syria.
To the president's detractors, no moment crystallizes the Obungler's
toxic combination of naïveté and fecklessness than his refusal to
reinforce his "red line" on Syria. In August 2012, Obama warned the
Assad regime that if it used chemical weapons against its own people,
the United States would respond with force. One year later, the Assad
regime had reportedly done just that, and the U.S. was on the cusp of
launching retaliatory air strikes, when Obama backed off. Suddenly, he
decided that this plan should be sent to Congress — the place where
ambitious proposals go to die.



http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/why-the-isis-mission-is-obama-s-real-red-line-1.2803931

Why the ISIS mission is Obama's real 'red line'
Failure to 'degrade and destroy' ISIS would degrade America as a force
for good in the world

The United States, the world's most powerful country, is being
challenged by a motley collection of sadistic torturers and killers
called ISIS with pretences of being a religious state.

As odd as it may seem, the U.S. and its allies, Canada included, have
gone into this fight with one hand tied behind their backs.

They have ruled out sending in ground troops because the risk of heavy
casualties would be politically unacceptable to their home constituencies.

Instead, they've limited themselves to trying to do the job with only
air power and local forces — like the seemingly overmatched Iraqi army
and Kurdish Peshmerga militia — to do the ground fighting.

All this is a far cry from the beginning of the 21st century when the
U.S. was not just another superpower, but the world's hugely confident
supreme power.

http://journal.georgetown.edu/obama-fdr-and-the-failure-of-u-s-foreign-policy/

en Barack Obama won the election in 2008, the cover of TIME magazine
showed the president-elect grinning like Franklin Roosevelt, with FDR’s
signature fedora, wire-rimmed glasses, and long-stemmed cigarette. The
cover article, “The New, New Deal,” suggested how Mr. Obama could
emulate the accomplishments of Mr. Roosevelt. The two leaders have been
compared numerous times—occasionally by critics, usually by
sycophants—but nearly always in reference to their domestic agendas.

The more significant comparison — and arguably the most troubling —
involves the foreign policies of these two standard-bearers of
Democratic liberalism. Although FDR’s war leadership was ultimately
successful in defeating the Axis Powers, his pre-war priorities
effectively blinded him to the existential threat of international
fascism. His utopian impulses in foreign affairs nearly allowed a
totalitarian nightmare to engulf the West.

In this, Mr. Obama is a student of FDR. As a consequence, he has left
the United States in one of the most dangerous and destabilizing
security environments in nearly half a century.

Promising a new spirit of U.S. diplomacy, Mr. Obama deployed Secretary
of State Hillary Clinton to “reset” relations with Russian President
Vladimir Putin. By abandoning plans for a missile defense system based
in Poland and the Czech Republic, the administration hoped to soften the
imperialist ambitions of a demonstrably repressive autocrat.

Instead, Mr. Putin violated Ukrainian sovereignty by instigating a civil
war and annexing the Crimean peninsula. Ignoring U.S. sanctions, Moscow
continues to provide sophisticated arms to separatist rebels in eastern
Ukraine. There is no credible threat or any intent from the United
States to block further Russian aggression.

In a March 27, 2014 speech to the European Union, Mr. Obama mentioned
the importance of NATO to European security, but then seemingly made
NATO irrelevant to the crisis. “Of course Ukraine is not a member of
NATO, in part because of its close and complex history with Russia,” he
said. “Nor will Russia be dislodged from Crimea or deterred from further
escalation by military force.” By announcing in advance there would be
no American military support, the president left Ukraine vulnerable to
Russian designs.


American Dream

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Jun 29, 2016, 10:18:36 AM6/29/16
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Yes, she did.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pg.-291-Pgs.-287-293-JW-v-DOD-and-State-14-812-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/14/hillary-clinton-received-secret-memo-stating-obama-admin-support-for-isis/


According to the report:

AL QAEDA – IRAQ (AQI):

A. AQI IS FAMILIAR WITH SYRIA. AQI TRAINED IN SYRIA AND THEN INFILTRATED
INTO IRAQ.

B. AQI SUPPORTED THE SYRIAN OPPOSITION FROM THE BEGINNING, BOTH
IDEOLOGICALLY AND THROUGH THE MEDIA. AQI DECLARED ITS OPPOSITION OF
ASSAD’S GOVERNMENT BECAUSE IT CONSIDERED IT A SECTARIAN REGIME TARGETING
SUNNIS.

C. AQI CONDUCTED A NUMBER OF OPERATIONS IN SEVERAL SYRIAN CITIES UNDER
THE NAME OF JAISH AL NUSRA (VICTORIOUS ARMY), ONE OF ITS AFFILIATES.

D. AQI, THROUGH THE SPOKESMAN OF THE ISLAMIC STATE OF IRAQ (ISI) ABU
MUHAMMAD AL ADNANI, DECLARED THE SYRIAN REGIME AS THE SPEARHEAD OF WHAT
HE IS NAMING JIBHA AL RUWAFDH (FOREFRONT OF THE SHIITES) BECAUSE OF ITS
(THE SYRIAN REGIME) DECLARATION OF WAR ON THE SUNNIS. ADDITIONALLY, HE
IS CALLING ON THE SUNNIS IN IRAQ, ESPECIALLY THE TRIBES IN THE BORDER
REGIONS (BETWEEN IRAQ AND SYRIA), TO WAGE WAR AGAINST THE SYRIAN REGIME,
REGARDING SYRIA AS AN INFIDEL REGIME FOR ITS SUPPORT TO THE INFIDEL
PARTY HEZBOLLAH, AND OTHER REGIMES HE CONSIDERS DISSENTERS LIKE IRAN AND
IRAQ.

E. AQI CONSIDERS THE SUNNI ISSUE IN IRAQ TO BE FATEFULLY CONNECTED TO
THE SUNNI ARABS AND MUSLIMS.

The intelligence report also predicts the rise of a broad “Islamic
State” forming from segments of Al Adnani’s group:

This must really suck for you.

Btw, Shillary won't be calling her dogs off YOU if she wins.

Just so you know, you gutless shill.


American Dream

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Jun 29, 2016, 10:19:07 AM6/29/16
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On 6/28/2016 10:36 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
According to the report:

AL QAEDA – IRAQ (AQI):

A. AQI IS FAMILIAR WITH SYRIA. AQI TRAINED IN SYRIA AND THEN INFILTRATED
INTO IRAQ.

B. AQI SUPPORTED THE SYRIAN OPPOSITION FROM THE BEGINNING, BOTH
IDEOLOGICALLY AND THROUGH THE MEDIA. AQI DECLARED ITS OPPOSITION OF
ASSAD’S GOVERNMENT BECAUSE IT CONSIDERED IT A SECTARIAN REGIME TARGETING
SUNNIS.

C. AQI CONDUCTED A NUMBER OF OPERATIONS IN SEVERAL SYRIAN CITIES UNDER
THE NAME OF JAISH AL NUSRA (VICTORIOUS ARMY), ONE OF ITS AFFILIATES.

D. AQI, THROUGH THE SPOKESMAN OF THE ISLAMIC STATE OF IRAQ (ISI) ABU
MUHAMMAD AL ADNANI, DECLARED THE SYRIAN REGIME AS THE SPEARHEAD OF WHAT
HE IS NAMING JIBHA AL RUWAFDH (FOREFRONT OF THE SHIITES) BECAUSE OF ITS
(THE SYRIAN REGIME) DECLARATION OF WAR ON THE SUNNIS. ADDITIONALLY, HE
IS CALLING ON THE SUNNIS IN IRAQ, ESPECIALLY THE TRIBES IN THE BORDER
REGIONS (BETWEEN IRAQ AND SYRIA), TO WAGE WAR AGAINST THE SYRIAN REGIME,
REGARDING SYRIA AS AN INFIDEL REGIME FOR ITS SUPPORT TO THE INFIDEL
PARTY HEZBOLLAH, AND OTHER REGIMES HE CONSIDERS DISSENTERS LIKE IRAN AND
IRAQ.

E. AQI CONSIDERS THE SUNNI ISSUE IN IRAQ TO BE FATEFULLY CONNECTED TO
THE SUNNI ARABS AND MUSLIMS.

The intelligence report also predicts the rise of a broad “Islamic
State” forming from segments of Al Adnani’s group:

American Dream

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Jun 29, 2016, 10:19:48 AM6/29/16
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You must be sweating nails for oyur position on it too...

>>
>> http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/14/hillary-clinton-received-secret-memo-stating-obama-admin-support-for-isis/
>>
>>
>>
>> WASHINGTON, DC — Hillary Clinton received a classified intelligence
>> report stating that the Obama administration was actively supporting Al
>> Qaeda in Iraq,
>
> No, she didn't.
>
According to the report:

AL QAEDA – IRAQ (AQI):

A. AQI IS FAMILIAR WITH SYRIA. AQI TRAINED IN SYRIA AND THEN INFILTRATED
INTO IRAQ.

B. AQI SUPPORTED THE SYRIAN OPPOSITION FROM THE BEGINNING, BOTH
IDEOLOGICALLY AND THROUGH THE MEDIA. AQI DECLARED ITS OPPOSITION OF
ASSAD’S GOVERNMENT BECAUSE IT CONSIDERED IT A SECTARIAN REGIME TARGETING
SUNNIS.

C. AQI CONDUCTED A NUMBER OF OPERATIONS IN SEVERAL SYRIAN CITIES UNDER
THE NAME OF JAISH AL NUSRA (VICTORIOUS ARMY), ONE OF ITS AFFILIATES.

D. AQI, THROUGH THE SPOKESMAN OF THE ISLAMIC STATE OF IRAQ (ISI) ABU
MUHAMMAD AL ADNANI, DECLARED THE SYRIAN REGIME AS THE SPEARHEAD OF WHAT
HE IS NAMING JIBHA AL RUWAFDH (FOREFRONT OF THE SHIITES) BECAUSE OF ITS
(THE SYRIAN REGIME) DECLARATION OF WAR ON THE SUNNIS. ADDITIONALLY, HE
IS CALLING ON THE SUNNIS IN IRAQ, ESPECIALLY THE TRIBES IN THE BORDER
REGIONS (BETWEEN IRAQ AND SYRIA), TO WAGE WAR AGAINST THE SYRIAN REGIME,
REGARDING SYRIA AS AN INFIDEL REGIME FOR ITS SUPPORT TO THE INFIDEL
PARTY HEZBOLLAH, AND OTHER REGIMES HE CONSIDERS DISSENTERS LIKE IRAN AND
IRAQ.

E. AQI CONSIDERS THE SUNNI ISSUE IN IRAQ TO BE FATEFULLY CONNECTED TO
THE SUNNI ARABS AND MUSLIMS.

The intelligence report also predicts the rise of a broad “Islamic
State” forming from segments of Al Adnani’s group:

American Dream

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Jun 29, 2016, 10:21:15 AM6/29/16
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Yes it is.

She IS the Dem machine, in all its leftward inglorious lurching.

>>> If the Republicans hadn't caved in to Sarah Palin style meth addicts,
>>> maybe they would have a good candidate to run against Clinton.
>>
>> You're losing all credibility now.
>
> Not in the least. I'm kicking your ass. If I had the opportunity to
> see you in person, I'd smash a shovel into your Nazi face.
>
Know this, you'd not last even a minute in person with me.

If you wish to test the premise we can make arrangements post haste.

You game?

American Dream

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Jun 29, 2016, 10:21:46 AM6/29/16
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Stating your delusion does not lend it reality.


>>
>> WASHINGTON, DC — Hillary Clinton received a classified intelligence
>> report stating that the Obama administration was actively supporting Al
>> Qaeda in Iraq,
>
> No, she didn't.
>
According to the report:

AL QAEDA – IRAQ (AQI):

A. AQI IS FAMILIAR WITH SYRIA. AQI TRAINED IN SYRIA AND THEN INFILTRATED
INTO IRAQ.

B. AQI SUPPORTED THE SYRIAN OPPOSITION FROM THE BEGINNING, BOTH
IDEOLOGICALLY AND THROUGH THE MEDIA. AQI DECLARED ITS OPPOSITION OF
ASSAD’S GOVERNMENT BECAUSE IT CONSIDERED IT A SECTARIAN REGIME TARGETING
SUNNIS.

C. AQI CONDUCTED A NUMBER OF OPERATIONS IN SEVERAL SYRIAN CITIES UNDER
THE NAME OF JAISH AL NUSRA (VICTORIOUS ARMY), ONE OF ITS AFFILIATES.

D. AQI, THROUGH THE SPOKESMAN OF THE ISLAMIC STATE OF IRAQ (ISI) ABU
MUHAMMAD AL ADNANI, DECLARED THE SYRIAN REGIME AS THE SPEARHEAD OF WHAT
HE IS NAMING JIBHA AL RUWAFDH (FOREFRONT OF THE SHIITES) BECAUSE OF ITS
(THE SYRIAN REGIME) DECLARATION OF WAR ON THE SUNNIS. ADDITIONALLY, HE
IS CALLING ON THE SUNNIS IN IRAQ, ESPECIALLY THE TRIBES IN THE BORDER
REGIONS (BETWEEN IRAQ AND SYRIA), TO WAGE WAR AGAINST THE SYRIAN REGIME,
REGARDING SYRIA AS AN INFIDEL REGIME FOR ITS SUPPORT TO THE INFIDEL
PARTY HEZBOLLAH, AND OTHER REGIMES HE CONSIDERS DISSENTERS LIKE IRAN AND
IRAQ.

E. AQI CONSIDERS THE SUNNI ISSUE IN IRAQ TO BE FATEFULLY CONNECTED TO
THE SUNNI ARABS AND MUSLIMS.

The intelligence report also predicts the rise of a broad “Islamic
State” forming from segments of Al Adnani’s group:

American Dream

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Jun 29, 2016, 10:22:06 AM6/29/16
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On 6/28/2016 10:46 PM, FPP wrote:
>> No, she didn't.
>
> Don't forget about the Lindberg baby...

Shut the fuck up, traitor.

American Dream

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Jun 29, 2016, 10:22:37 AM6/29/16
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On 6/28/2016 10:48 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 6/28/2016 9:19 PM, American Dream wrote:
>> On 6/28/2016 8:28 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 6/28/2016 6:53 PM, American Dream wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> We know she birthed ISIS and sold us out to Iran too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fuck off.
>>>>
>>>> You KNOW that in tandem with Obola they created a power void in the
>>>> region and then filled it.
>>>
>>> George W. Bush created ISIS by invading Iraq.
>>>
>>
>> Nope.
>
> Yep:

Nope:

in situ retort

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Jun 29, 2016, 10:25:18 AM6/29/16
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Appraisers don't have access to those records.

Cope.

American Dream

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Jun 29, 2016, 10:30:03 AM6/29/16
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She helped CREATE Isis.

She helped lose Crimea and the Ukraine.

She cut a suicidal deal with Iran...

Need I go on and on?


American Dream

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Jun 29, 2016, 10:31:54 AM6/29/16
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On 6/29/2016 3:07 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
> On 6/28/2016 7:26 PM, FPP wrote:
>> On 2016-06-28 20:56:43 +0000, Just Wondering said:
>>> On 6/28/2016 1:35 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 6/28/2016 6:01 AM, Fred Brown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump and Clinton are neck and neck.
>>>>
>>>> Trump is not going to win. Enough people will come to their senses.
>>>>
>>> So voting for Hiliary ISN'T taking leave of your senses?
>>
>> And you think voting for Trump is?
>>
> As of now, I sort of plan to vote for one of these:
> Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson
> Write-in vote for Ted Cruz
> Write-in vote for "None of the above".
>
All 3 scenarios will GUARANTY us Shrillary.

Why would you want to do that?
Then there is the Clinton Foundation Money Laundering machine.

She is a PWN of the Saudis.


American Dream

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Jun 29, 2016, 10:35:12 AM6/29/16
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Guess how we do that, and we DO have the tools:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1952

The Act abolished racial restrictions found in United States immigration
and naturalization statutes going back to the Naturalization Act of
1790, which had limited naturalization to immigrants who were "free
white persons, of good moral character." The 1952 Act retained a quota
system for nationalities and regions. Eventually, the Act established a
preference system which determined which ethnic groups were desirable
immigrants and placed great importance on labor qualifications.

The Act defined three types of immigrants: immigrants with special
skills or relatives of U.S. citizens who were exempt from quotas and who
were to be admitted without restrictions; average immigrants whose
numbers were not supposed to exceed 270,000 per year; and refugees.

The Act allowed the government to deport immigrants or naturalized
citizens engaged in subversive activities and also allowed the barring
of suspected subversives from entering the country. It was used to bar
members and former members and "fellow travelers" of the Communist Party
from entry into the United States, even those who had not been
associated with the party for decades.

It expanded the definition of the "United States" for nationality
purposes, which already included Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands to
add Guam. Persons born in these territories on or after December 24,
1952 acquire U.S. citizenship at birth on the same terms as persons born
in other parts of the United States.[5]

A 1962 guideline explained procedures under the Act:[6]

The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 requires an alien to apply
for a petition for naturalization. This form may be obtained from any
office of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, a division of the
Department of Justice, or from any court authorized to naturalize aliens.

Before applying, an alien must be at least 18 years old and must have
been lawfully admitted to live permanently in the United States. He must
have lived in the United States for five years and for the last six
months in the state where he seeks to be naturalized. In some cases, he
need only have lived three years in the United States. He must be of
good moral character and "attached to the principles of the
Constitution". The law states that an alien is not of good moral
character if he is a drunkard, has committed adultery, has more than one
wife, makes his living by gambling, has lied to the Immigration and
Naturalization Service, has been in jail more than 180 days for any
reason during his five years in the United States, or is a convicted
murderer.


http://library.uwb.edu/static/USimmigration/1952_immigration_and_nationality_act.html

1952 Immigration and Nationality Act, a.k.a. the McCarran-Walter Act (An
act to revise the laws relating to immigration, naturalization, and
nationality; and for other purposes)

H.R. 13342; Pub.L. 414; 182 Stat. 66.

82nd Congress; June 27, 1952.

You can find the full text of this law here or download the PDF.


SUMMARY

Otherwise known as the McCarran-Walter Act, the Immigration and
Nationality Act of 1952 was meant to exclude certain immigrants from
immigrating to America, post World War II and in the early Cold War. The
McCarran-Walter Act moved away from excluding immigrants based simply
upon country of origin. Instead it focused upon denying immigrants who
were unlawful, immoral, diseased in any way, politically radical etc.
and accepting those who were willing and able to assimilate into the US
economic, social, and political structures, which restructured how
immigration law was handled. Furthermore, the most notable exclusions
were anyone even remotely associated with communism which in the early
days of the Cold War was seen as a serious threat to US democracy. The
main objective of this was to block any spread of communism from outside
post WWII countries, as well as deny any enemies of the US during WWII
such as Japan and favor “good Asian” countries such as China. The
McCarran-Walter Act was a strong reinforcement in immigration selection,
which was labeled the best way to preserve national security and
national interests. President Truman originally vetoed the law, deeming
it discriminatory; however there was enough support in Congress for the
law to pass.

American Dream

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On 6/28/2016 6:10 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 6/28/2016 2:44 PM, American Dream wrote:
>> On 6/28/2016 3:32 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 6/28/2016 2:24 PM, American Dream wrote:
>>>> On 6/28/2016 3:06 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>> On 6/28/2016 1:46 PM, hal lillywhite wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 at 12:34:57 PM UTC-7, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump is not going to win. Enough people will come to their senses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Voting for Hillary (or allowing her to win) is hardly sensible. She
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> destroy our freedom, what's left of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the choice is Clinton or Trump, Clinton is the better choice.
>>>>
>>>> Wow.
>>>>
>>>> A woman who hasn't accomplished ANYTHING in her Senatorial terms.
>>>
>>> Irrelevant.
>>
>> I see...
>>
>> So her actual record when holding elected office doesn't matter?
>
> No, her record as senator doesn't matter.

That is utter madness to believe.

You're not thinking rationally.


>> We know she birthed ISIS and sold us out to Iran too.
>
> Bullshit.
>
> Fuck off.


American Dream

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Jun 29, 2016, 10:41:39 AM6/29/16
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On 6/28/2016 8:25 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 6/28/2016 6:53 PM, American Dream wrote:
>> On 6/28/2016 6:10 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 6/28/2016 2:44 PM, American Dream wrote:
>>>> On 6/28/2016 3:32 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>> On 6/28/2016 2:24 PM, American Dream wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/28/2016 3:06 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/28/2016 1:46 PM, hal lillywhite wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 at 12:34:57 PM UTC-7, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trump is not going to win. Enough people will come to their
>>>>>>>>> senses.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Voting for Hillary (or allowing her to win) is hardly sensible. She
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> destroy our freedom, what's left of it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the choice is Clinton or Trump, Clinton is the better choice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A woman who hasn't accomplished ANYTHING in her Senatorial terms.
>>>>>
>>>>> Irrelevant.
>>>>
>>>> I see...
>>>>
>>>> So her actual record when holding elected office doesn't matter?
>>>
>>> No, her record as senator doesn't matter.
>>
>> Oh, so you think her scintillating record of calamaties and collapses as
>> Secretary of State is appealing?
>
> I think she isn't as bad a disaster as Trump.

Trump hasn't caused the loss of Crimea, the invasion of the Ukrtaine,
the creation of ISIS, the suicide deal with Iran.

Those are all on Clinton's resume as SOS.

>>>> We know she birthed ISIS and sold us out to Iran too.
>>>
>>> Bullshit.
>>>
>>> Fuck off.
>>
>> You KNOW that in tandem with Obola they created a power void in the
>> region and then filled it.
>
> Bullshit.
>
> Everything you say about ISIS and Benghazi and all the rest is bullshit,
> spoonfed to you by some worthless web site.
>
Nope.

American Dream

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Jun 29, 2016, 10:42:19 AM6/29/16
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On 6/28/2016 8:28 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 6/28/2016 6:53 PM, American Dream wrote:
>
>>
>>>> We know she birthed ISIS and sold us out to Iran too.
>>>
>>> Bullshit.
>>>
>>> Fuck off.
>>
>> You KNOW that in tandem with Obola they created a power void in the
>> region and then filled it.
>
> George W. Bush created ISIS by invading Iraq.
>
That is a blatant lie.

Now the rest of the story.

Iraq was secured before Obama.

American Dream

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Jun 29, 2016, 10:44:58 AM6/29/16
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Perhaps therein the problem, getting the same contradictory results
despite investing more and moire time.

Sounds like mild insanity, or the very least a delusion strong enough to
preclude awareness.


>> She CREATED ISIS, dolt.
>
> Nope. George W. Bush did

A fiction and a lie.
>>>>>> We know she birthed ISIS and sold us out to Iran too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fuck off.
>>>>
>>>> You KNOW that in tandem with Obola they created a power void in the
>>>> region and then filled it.
>>>
>>> Bullshit.
>>>
>>> Everything you say about ISIS and Benghazi and all the rest is bullshit,
>>> spoonfed to you by some worthless web site.
>>>
>>
>> I will enjoy burying you
>
> You won't. I'm killing you.

Your delusions are your own affair.


>>
>> WASHINGTON, DC — Hillary Clinton received a classified intelligence
>> report stating that the Obama administration was actively supporting Al
>> Qaeda in Iraq,
>
> No, she didn't.
>
Yes, she did:

American Dream

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On 6/28/2016 10:48 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 6/28/2016 9:19 PM, American Dream wrote:
>> On 6/28/2016 8:28 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 6/28/2016 6:53 PM, American Dream wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> We know she birthed ISIS and sold us out to Iran too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fuck off.
>>>>
>>>> You KNOW that in tandem with Obola they created a power void in the
>>>> region and then filled it.
>>>
>>> George W. Bush created ISIS by invading Iraq.
>>>
>>
>> Nope.
>
> Yep:

Nope.

Edward Michaels

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> On 6/27/2016 4:11 PM, Nod wrote:
>> [...]
>
> He won't.

Hillary will be dead or in jail.

He wins.

FPP

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Jun 29, 2016, 6:00:00 PM6/29/16
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Obama had a Republican controlled House, and that hasn't stopped him.
--
"Didn't believe we needed to "Make America Great Again" - until I saw
the people we're seriously considering putting on the Presidential
ballot." - Kelly Hines 2015

FPP

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Jun 29, 2016, 6:02:25 PM6/29/16
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He wouldn't "personally" be filing for bankruptcy when he tanks the
World Economy, either.

American Dream

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On 6/29/2016 3:59 PM, FPP wrote:
>> > separating rubes from their hard earned coin.
>
> Obama had a Republican controlled House, and that hasn't stopped him.
> --

His worst damage came with a DEM House, fool.

FPP

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Jun 29, 2016, 6:04:11 PM6/29/16
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What's going on is that Trump hasn't figured a way to make a few bucks
out of it, yet.

American Dream

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Jun 29, 2016, 6:04:32 PM6/29/16
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He won't stank any economy, you exterminable traitor.

That's a Shillary and Obola maneuver.

American Dream

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On 6/29/2016 4:04 PM, FPP wrote:
> On 2016-06-29 05:18:08 -0400, trotsky <gms...@email.com> said:
>
>> On 6/28/16 8:56 PM, FPP wrote:
>>> On 2016-06-28 21:32:42 +0000, Just Wondering <fmh...@comcast.net> said:
>>
>>>> I'm no Trump fan, but I'd love a reasonable explanation why President
>>>> Hiliary would be better than President Frito.
>>>
>>> She understands governing, politics, foreign affairs, domestic affairs,
>>> and can walk and chew gum at the same time - unlike Trump, who
>>> understands nothing but separating rubes from their hard earned coin.
>>
>>
>> This just in from Trump, re: the suicide bombing in Turkey: they're
>> going to have to keep the Turks out of the country until they can
>> figure out what the hell is going on.
>
> What's going on is that Trump hasn't figured a way to make a few bucks
> out of it, yet.

http://library.uwb.edu/static/USimmigration/1952_immigration_and_nationality_act.html

Rudy Canoza

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Jun 29, 2016, 6:14:40 PM6/29/16
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Neither.

> He wins.

Most likely he loses.

American Dream

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On 6/29/2016 4:14 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 6/29/2016 10:55 AM, Edward Michaels wrote:
>> On 27 Jun 2016, Rudy Canoza <c...@philhendrie.con> posted some
>> news:A8ocz.119744$9X5.1...@fx19.fr7:
>>
>>> On 6/27/2016 4:11 PM, Nod wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>
>>> He won't.
>>
>> Hillary will be dead or in jail.
>
> Neither.

How sad.

>> He wins.
>
> Most likely he loses.

Unless the Brexit style animus is as strong here.



FPP

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Here's a headline you WON'T be hearing on Fox News...

>> Nate Silver: 79 percent chance Clinton wins.
>>
>> A Ballotpedia survey of seven swing states released Wednesday shows the
>> presumptive Democratic presidential nominee sweeping Trump in Iowa,
>> Michigan, Florida, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Ohio and Virginia by
>> margins ranging from 4 to 17 percentage points.

>> Silver, who correctly forecast 49 out of 50 states in 2008 and every
>> state in 2012, noted that both camps “have a lot of room to grow,” but
>> no candidate has blown a lead as large as Clinton’s advantage over
>> Trump in nearly 30 years.
>>
>> http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/nate-silver-who-will-be-president-prediction-224931

But
>>
how can your cheeto-faced shitgibbon possibly lose?

Ubiquitous

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Someone's sockpuppet wrote:

>Here's a headline you WON'T be hearing on Fox News...
>
>>> Nate Silver: 79 percent chance Clinton wins.
>>>
>>> A Ballotpedia survey of seven swing states released Wednesday shows the
>>> presumptive Democratic presidential nominee sweeping Trump in Iowa,
>>> Michigan, Florida, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Ohio and Virginia by
>>> margins ranging from 4 to 17 percentage points.
>
>>> Silver, who correctly forecast 49 out of 50 states in 2008 and every
>>> state in 2012, noted that both camps “have a lot of room to grow,” but
>>> no candidate has blown a lead as large as Clinton’s advantage over
>>> Trump in nearly 30 years.
>>>
>>> http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/nate-silver-who-will-be-president-prediction-224931

President Dewey could not be reached for comment.

--
People died.
Crooked Hillary lied.



Rudy Canoza

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On 6/29/2016 3:30 PM, American Dream wrote:
> On 6/29/2016 4:14 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 6/29/2016 10:55 AM, Edward Michaels wrote:
>>> On 27 Jun 2016, Rudy Canoza <c...@philhendrie.con> posted some
>>> news:A8ocz.119744$9X5.1...@fx19.fr7:
>>>
>>>> On 6/27/2016 4:11 PM, Nod wrote:
>>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> He won't.
>>>
>>> Hillary will be dead or in jail.
>>
>> Neither.
>
> How sad.

It's not sad. She hasn't committed any crime, and it's evil to wish
premature death on someone.

>>> He wins.
>>
>> Most likely he loses.
>
> Unless the Brexit style animus is as strong here.

No comparison. A presidential election is not at all like a referendum.
Brexit was a single issue.

Anonymous Remailer (austria)

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In article <nl1ltr$u58$1...@dont-email.me>
FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Here's a headline you WON'T be hearing on Fox News...
>
> >> Nate Silver: 79 percent chance Clinton wins.
> >>
> >> A Ballotpedia survey of seven swing states released Wednesday shows the
> >> presumptive Democratic presidential nominee sweeping Trump in Iowa,
> >> Michigan, Florida, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Ohio and Virginia by
> >> margins ranging from 4 to 17 percentage points.
>
> >> Silver, who correctly forecast 49 out of 50 states in 2008 and every
> >> state in 2012, noted that both camps “have a lot of room to grow,” but
> >> no candidate has blown a lead as large as Clinton’s advantage over
> >> Trump in nearly 30 years.
> >>
> >> http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/nate-silver-who-will-be-president-prediction-224931
>

Time to rev up the fox spin machine. I can picture it now, 24/7 anti-
Hillary news. LMAO!


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