Re: [RoverLog] Digest for roverlog@googlegroups.com - 1 Message in 1 Topic

[Bill Schwantes]

Tom,

This is a repeat of a previous request:

It would be great if RoverLog performed a regular band query, and
detected a manual band change made using the radio controls.
Personally, I'm not using RoverLog to "CAT control" my IF radios for a
number of reasons. As I understand it, roverlog only changes the
"band" field when commanded in RoverLog. It would be nice if an
operator could change bands in either place, and have RoverLog detect
the correct band. Same issue for mode, but less important than band.

I usually remember to change bands but seldom remember to change back,
leaving a large repair task to be done to the log. Sometimes it's
unrecoverable, especially when there's also a grid change.

Also, could you advise where I can find instructions how to get
RoverLog and my GPS to communicate?

Thanks, Bill
W7QQ DM65sb

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[Tom Mayo]

Bill,

When you QSY in RoverLog, it changes the operating frequency and mode of the rig to whatever you used last on the given band.  Further, it tracks the frequency the rig is on and uses this information to compute the RF operating frequency even if you use transverters.  And it communicates this information to all networked peers.

The root reason why RoverLog performs the QSY action instead of relying on the radio's buttons is because of the use of transverters. The radio band may not indicate the actual on the air band.  For example, your IF radio may be on 145 MHz and transverters convert this to 903, 1296, 2304 MHz and so on.. This is unique for VHF/UHF/Microwave contests and I don't think it's an issue for lower bands where the radio does it all.

I did a lot of work that depends on this paradigm to make sure RoverLog restores the operating frequency with each band change and can communicate the operating frequency to networked operators.  In spite of all this work, I would be willing to change how RoverLog operates if the overwhelming majority of users want it to operate the way you say.  I would encourage all list subscribers to respond to this e-mail thread and voice their opinion.

If I do change it, it's important to me to retain support for transverters.  If you respond to this favoring the change, please consider providing suggestions for how to accommodate the case I mentioned above.  This has been discussed at length before, but I think the result was that the majority either didn't care or agreed to the current implementation.

Tom.

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[John D'Ausilio]

Indeed we've discussed this before :)

I've been running with a hacked version for a couple of years that
attempts to work both ways (mostly successfully) .. if you change the
band on the keyboard, the radion correctly changes bands, and if you
change the radio band Roverlog follows. The problem you mention is not
an issue for me (K2 has transverter support so displays actual freq
minus GHz digits, which are unique).

You might consider adding the feature but leaving it disabled, with a
big warning to those who turn it on ..

[Ken]

same for the K3 of course...

 

Ken

 

I2/KE2N

[Steve Meuse]

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On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 7:05 AM, Tom Mayo <tma...@gmail.com> wrote:

I did a lot of work that depends on this paradigm to make sure RoverLog restores the operating frequency with each band change and can communicate the operating frequency to networked operators.  In spite of all this work, I would be willing to change how RoverLog operates if the overwhelming majority of users want it to operate the way you say.  I would encourage all list subscribers to respond to this e-mail thread and voice their opinion.

If I do change it, it's important to me to retain support for transverters.  If you respond to this favoring the change, please consider providing suggestions for how to accommodate the case I mentioned above.  This has been discussed at length before, but I think the result was that the majority either didn't care or agreed to the current implementation.

I like the option of having both methods: Having a single IF freq for transverters, or what I would call the "K3 Style" which actually allows you to define multiple transverter bands, and label them as such. 

I built a K3 transverter interface board that takes the BCD output and switches a bunch of relays and routes PTT. My plan is to have RoverLog send band changes to the radio, which then switches the transverters. I wold, however, like the option to send manual band changes backwards as well. 

 

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[Tom Mayo]

Folks,

The most obvious way I can see to implement this is to have a global selection that says "Get the frequency from the rig, lookup what band that implies and change RoverLog's band accordingly" or "Let RoverLog control band changes and maintain IF or RF frequency by band and send to the rig".  Call these "Rig" and "RoverLog" respectively.  I can't see an obvious or user-friendly way to break this down by band. If I put in this global selection, would this work for everyone?

John, please send me patches for your mods so I can check them out.  This sounds awfully familiar.  Did you send me patches for this or for something else before?

Thanks all,

Tom.

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[John D'Ausilio]

I'm pretty sure I've sent you a patch for this before .. I'll have to
figure out the base version (I've not been keeping it up to date) to
regenerate ;)

It sounds like you're thinking the two options are mutually exclusive,
while I kept both ways .. e.g. if I change bands on the radio Roverlog
follows, and if I change bands in Roverlog the radio follows. It's
never worked perfectly and can get out of sync once in a while
(requiring changing to each band and moving freq slightly to force it
to be stored) ..

de w1rt/john

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