Wesimply used the book and teacher's guide as is, without the one step planner. Jann recommends the planner highly, but I knew going in that I don't have the math mojo to pick and choose the most effective problem sets, so we might as well go with the standard, lol.
We never tried Lial's for geometry, but youngest is using it for algebra 1. One thing I dislike about it is that I find the explanations and problems to be worded rather oddly. They make things sound more complicated than they need to be, and sometimes it's hard to even be sure what they are asking for. It seems no text is completely immune to this, but we find the Holt books to be much more straightforward. She is only on chapter 2, and I may just go ahead and have her switch.
I don't know Jurgenson, but having to make up tests would knock it out for me. Even in courses where I am very capable of making up tests, I like the option of having them available. High school is time-consuming, and their activities are time-consuming, and keeping things simple means getting things done.
Which leads to another factor I prefer in Holt over Lial's: the teacher's guide in Holt is far more detailed, with a pacing guide and specific advice on which problems to assign for a basic, average, or advanced lesson.
katilac, thank you so much for the info on Holt. It's very reassuring to know that you were able to use Holt without the one-step planner (which seems like many steps to me!) and nice to know that the explanations are straight-forward. Does the teacher's guide have tests for you to use? I'm with you on making up my own - gives me the willies.
Yvonne, it sounds like your Jurgensen's TE has what I would need. The student book I have to review (borrowed from a friend) is from 1990, but I've noticed that things like books and solutions manuals don't seem to match up in terms of publishing dates for some reason. Would you mind giving me the ISBN for your TE? Were you able to find it easily or did you have to hunt all over creation?
I picked up the 1988 TEd at a curriculum sale. The isbn is 0395430615, and the cover looks like the one here. However, I would NOT get this older edition because it looks like it would be hard to find a matching set of text + TEd + Solutions Guide.
I'm getting the newer edition of the text becase I could get all the pieces and because it's what my boys will be using with the online geometry class they'll be taking. I was hoping I could use the 1988 TEd w/ the newer text, but they do not match up at all. I have a new edition TEd on order. When I have it in hand, I will repost and let you know if it has the same teacher helps as the 1988 edition.
I'm also using Holt Geometry without the teacher OSP. Just a note: The student one stop CD is cheap (like 5 bucks + shipping on the used marketplace). The "Practice B" worksheets are in there, and the answer keys for those are in the teacher's book. The "Know it Notebook" worksheets are also in there. If you open the Know-it notebook in Adobe reader, you get the workbook, but for some reason when I open the same PDF from the student CD in Sumatra PDF reader, I get the answer keys to those as well.
The student CD also contains "Ready to Go on?" worksheets, but those answers are not in the teacher's book, as well as a complete student textbook (handy, since the textbook is heavier than a laptop). And a link page to make it easy to get to the online tutorial videos (which are more pleasant to go through than reading the overly busy textbook).
Each chapter in the student text ends with a "chapter test". You could use those, either for actual tests if you don't mind the student being able to see the test in advance, or as a guide to the number and types of problems that would be appropriate when you write your own test. There is a "ready to go on" quiz on the student CD that could be the basis of a test, but that does not have the answer key in the teacher's book.
My general review: I like the scope and sequence of the course -- but my DD finds the book layout overly "busy" and unpleasant to read. I have to agree -- to many boxes and icons and what not. (She did LoF for Algebra, which is on the opposite end of the bright and splashy spectrum, so the difference is particularly jarring.)
We gave up on the LOF Geometry -- there is too much "Here's a bunch of new theorems, now go prove X" and not enough explanations, examples, and instruction for those who don't get the hang of things quickly. The problem solving approach in Holt has been a better fit.
If you wanted to make sure the student didn't see the test ahead of time, they could easily be cut out of the book. The first page of a test is usually on the other side of the chapter study guide, so you would have to copy that one page as needed.
Jurgensen is the main reason I choose not go with Jann's course, though I'm sure she uses Holt quite effectively. When I asked Jann why she chose Holt over other texts she stated that she likes the publisher's wide range of resources available. However if you are teaching it doesn't sound like you will use those. So I'm not sure that rationale applies. In fact I've read in other posts where Jann mentions that all those extra resources would actually be confusing unless one is very familiar with Geometry. That is not to say Holt is a bad text as some obviously have done well with it. I just prefer Jurgensen.
As JanetC mentions the Holt layout can be quite busy and somewhat visually distracting. Jurgensen on the other hand is more of a classical math text without too many extra colors, stories and other stuff. They just have a different overall appeal which may work better for some students than others depending on their learning style. For me Jurgensen's overall flow and layout is what a really good math text should be.
Yvonne and katilac, thank you for getting back to me with my questions. Yvonne, I will be very interested to see if the new TE has the teacher helps. JanetC and Derek, I'm glad it's not just me that thinks the Holt text is busy! I have borrowed a student text from a friend and it's rather overwhelming. And yikes, Practice B, Know-it Notebook, Ready to Go On - sounds like a lot of moving parts there. I'm sure it's a sound program (as I know so many have used it with good results) but I'm thinking it will be a big learning curve for me to put together, so maybe I'm better off with the Jurgensen.
I'm still quite curious as to whether anyone has used Lial's Geometry - her other courses seem to be very popular. I wish I could get a hold of it to look at, but our library doesn't have it and I don't know anyone who has used it.
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