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This is most interesting! If this is our John, he would have been about 83 years old when he died. Does the pension application have a signature we could compare to his will? Where was it filed? His will was signed Rollings, but earlier spellings by him were Rawlings. The John Rawlings from the Virginia family was slightly younger, I believe. Great work!
Laney Rollins
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Yes it does, in fact I have attatched a word document that has both
signatures on it so you can see for yourself. Tell me what you think.
Ed
as to be labled trai tors b y the crown, and stripped of all
his n eighbo rs who had labled him and his family as
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Ed,
Wow. I'm no expert, but this looks like the same signature. I'm guessing the top one is from the will, and his handwritting has deteriorated from 1818 to 1821. where was the application for pension submitted? If it's from NC, then that nails it. Is the 1874 book you found the one by John Rodham Rollins? There's another by Alden Rollins with a slightly different title. Both are available in reprint. Would it be possible for you to scan a copy of the writ for pension? Long ago, I remember seeing a reference to (supposedly) the first Rollins in America who landed in Massachusetts in the early 1600's. I always thought this one had no relation to us, but if you found one in NH, it's possible I guess. This may open up a whole 'nother line of investigation.
I'm astonished and amazed.
Laney Rollins
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Hi Tom,
My name is Laney Rollins, and I'm also off the Burwell Rollins line. So far, we have been unable to locate either his grave or John's. However, I'd be happy to show the ruins of Burwell's mill, and the graves of his children, Thomas Benton and Mary Boothe. Steve Weaver knows where everyone in this area is planted, and if circumstances permit, I'm sure he could provide some help. I'm not sure, but I think he may know the location of Caroline's and Minnie's graves. Let me know when you're coming through, and if you're interested, I'll try to make myself available.
Glad to meet you!
Laney
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Your welcome for the map. Just remember to go into the settings of your GPS
and change it to NAD 27. If you don't, those coordinates will put you on the
side of the ridge on the other side of the road. Also I was assured by the
surveyors that that coordinate was accurate to within 9 feet of the graveyard
and located at 385ft above sea level on the top of the hill. It was last seen
around 20 years ago by a Mr Reagan, who lives a short distance away from it
through the woods. But he is very old and cannot get there anymore. He does
say that it was very well marked and has headstones, so you should find
something. He goes on to say that that cemetary was being taken care of by
the Burt family at one time, but he doesn't know when they stopped. Good
luck, I am sooo jealous. I wish I was going with you.
Ed Rollins
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x53041 wrote:
I'll be taking a driving vacation through North and South
Carolina in about
three weeks. I have 64 gggg-grand's to find and I expect to
find 2 of them in
Charleston (a different line). If any one knows what area I
should look for
John Rollins, I could search a few cemeteries. His head
stone may have
good information.
Regards,
Tom Shoemaker (off the Burwell Rollins, line (dau. Caroline
Thayer Sloan,
dau. Minnie Davis Sloan, dau. Lois Kernaghan, dau. Mary Marsh
line).
just figured I'd explain why I'm not a Rollins.
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Ed,
Wow. I'm no expert, but this looks like the same signature. I'm guessing
the top one is from the will, and his handwritting has deteriorated from 1818
to 1821. where was the application for pension submitted? If it's from NC,
then that nails it. Is the 1874 book you found the one by John Rodham
Rollins? There's another by Alden Rollins with a slightly different title.
Both are available in reprint. Would it be possible for you to scan a copy
of the writ for pension? Long ago, I remember seeing a reference to
(supposedly) the first Rollins in America who landed in Massachusetts in the
early 1600's. I always thought this one had no relation to us, but if you
found one in NH, it's possible I guess. This may open up a whole 'nother
line of investigation.
I'm astonished and amazed.
Laney Rollins
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Hi Steve,
I know I said I'd do this but haven't gotten around to it. I will try to call Fred Burt tonight and see if he can shed any light on this. There are no listings for Buckhorn Hunting Club, but Fred knows some people in it. I'm still wondering if they are not confusing it withthe Booth cemetery. I'll let you know. The 5th or 6th would be OK with me. I don't plan to go anywhere that weekend.
Laney
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I don't have a street address for Mr Reagen, but I can make a phone call to
get it for you. The women I had spoke with that knows him had tried to get
him to take sombody out there, but he was too old and couldn't make it. Also
that women (Irene Kittenger) had gone down that road years ago with an old
women that was a Rollins female pointing out where the Rollins farm was, old
houses and who they belonged to and she had pointed into the woods there and
stated that that was the location of the old Rollins cemetary. Irene said it
was so long ago that all she remembers was that it was before you hit the
Harnett county line heading south. And When she was helping a Burt family
member research the Burt family, He had stated that they were taking care of
the old Rollins cemetary there at one time. She has a great deal of
information on the locations of the cemetaries, and states that it is there.
She is also the one that had the location of the Rollins/Patrick cemetary as
well. And as you know her information was right on the money with that one.
And when I spoke with the land surveyors from Shearon Harris, they knew
nothing about the Booth cemetary, and that the Rollins cemetary, according to
the original surveyors notes, it was a Rollins cemetary and was very well
marked with headstones.
Ed
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Is this lady still alive? She sure might be worth talking to if possible. For what's worth, I went up that road years ago with my father (passed in 1991) who remembered seeing the foundation of the house and some grave markers when he was a little boy. Since he was born in 1911, you can guess how long ago that was. The area has been logged at least once, if not more since then. The Gaston Rollins cemetery, which Fred Burt showed me five or six years ago, but now I can't find, is probably about one mile from the Booth cemetery, so CP&L couldn't have made that mistake. When was the CP&L survey done? Do we have coordinates from CP&L for the Rollins cemetary? The ones Ed gave us before led Steve and I to the Booth cemetery, but despite our best efforts, that's all we could locate. Found several deer stands though.
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Hey, I was looking at the tree and trying to figure out what to do next when
I realized that I had no idea who this Fletcher Rollins is. He is listed as a
son of Henry and Mary Rollins on the family tree. But he shows up on the 1856
census as living with Henry's mother Rebecca at the age of 4, along with Lany
mims. Then he shows up as a domestic servant in the williams houshold in the
1870 census at the age of 12. And that is all that I can find on him. What do
we have that shows he was a child of Henry Rollins? And if he was, why was he
living with his grandmother and not the rest of the Henry family? Any ideas?
Ed
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That is what it says on the 1870 census. I am assumuing that he was living
there and working for room and board for whatever reason, but the census
taker puts him down as a domestic servant. I was thinking that maybe he was
an illigitimate child? Or maybe an orphan? But I don't think that a Rollins
orphan would have been sent to live with the William Patrick family and
required to work for room and board. More likely he was illigitamate for some
reason.
Ed
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That is what it says on the 1870 census. I am assumuing that he was living
there and working for room and board for whatever reason, but the census
taker puts him down as a domestic servant. I was thinking that maybe he was
an illigitimate child? Or maybe an orphan? But I don't think that a Rollins
orphan would have been sent to live with the William Patrick family and
required to work for room and board. More likely he was illigitamate for some
reason.
Ed
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> Hey, I was looking at the tree and trying to figure out what to do
next when
> I realized that I had no idea who this Fletcher Rollins is. He is
listed as a
> son of Henry and Mary Rollins on the family tree. But he shows up
on the 1856
> census as living with Henry's mother Rebecca at the age of 4, along
with Lany
> mims. Then he shows up as a domestic servant in the williams
houshold in the
> 1870 census at the age of 12. And that is all that I can find on
him. What do
> we have that shows he was a child of Henry Rollins? And if he was,
why was he
> living with his grandmother and not the rest of the Henry family?
Any ideas?
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Im already on it. I am beginning to get the idea that he didn't survive
though. A clue of where he came from might be to the fact that on the 1870
sencus where he is listed as a domestic servant, he is not the only domestic
servant named Rollins. There was also a Madison Rollins born 1862 on the same
census, and also listed as a domestic servant. Since he was only 12 and her
10, I would assume that they are not married, and are brother and sister. I
am running dry on a paper trail though. But I do have an idea, you know me
(always thinking outside the box) When we went to Missouri to visit family we
were surprised to see that just the occasion of our visit warrented a mention
in the local newspaper. That along with the people who didn't attend church
that previous Sunday had there names published as well. So I am sure that if
they were iether orphaned or illigitimate that would have made the local
paper. So I am combing through the local newspapers from that time period to
take a look see. It's a longshot, but worth a try.
Ed
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Also before I forget, I have posted a new photo on my tree (Rollins, Gift,
and other families) of Henry G Rollins. James Rollins Hoag sent it to me, so
the credit for it goes to him. It is a photo of Henry in his Civil War
uniform. He looks a lot older and worn down in it as expected given the fact
that he was in the NC 47th from 1862-1865.
Ed
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