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Edgar A Rollins

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Mar 17, 2008, 10:30:05 AM3/17/08
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I ran across a book on Ancestry called Missourians, Early Settlers In
Missouri. It had 2 pages describing James Rollins. It went on to say
that his grandfather had served in the Revolution. Then I remembered
that I had seen several other refferences that John Rollins had served
in the war. It is also mentioned in James's book he wrote for his
daughter Gladys that John had served, and the Rollins family was very
active in the Revolution. He goes on to say that there was a book
entitled Rawlings Rollins family that was written in 1874 that has a
lot of information on the family history. So I located that book and
decided to do a little backwards research. The book goes into great
detail of the hardships they faced fighting the French/Indians and the
trouble they had gotten into with the British government. Going so far
as to be labled traitors by the crown, and stripped of all there land.
Under the third generation on page 18 it lists John Rollins (John 3,
James 2, James 1) Born Feb 14 1838/1839; in Greenland New Hampshire,
was in the army of the Revolution, in Capt. Wear'es CO. 1777 which is
all that has been heard of him. I find it interesting that they also
have a lot of the same names as well, ie. James, Henry ect. Our John
Rollins doesnt appear on any records we know of prior to 1790 in NC.
So I got ahold of the Revolutionary war pension application for the
John Rollins that served in Capt Wears CO. On the pension application
(dated 1818) he lists a wife and son, Frederick. He also signes the
paperwork in several places using the spelling Rollins and Rollings.
The signature looks like a match to me and every person I have showed
it to so far. It would also make sense that after serving in the war
he might have wanted to get a fresh start away from bad memories and
his neighbors who had labled him and his family as traitors. After
serving in a war for a very long time, going home for the first time
is actually a very hard thing to do, and only those that have served
can understand what that feeling is like. I have also located a few
family trees of the New Hampshire Rollins line, and some of them
migrated to Rutherford NC. I think that with the similarities in the
signatures, the next step is to locate a male family member from the
New Hampshire Rollins's and talk them into doing a DNA comparison to
see if there is a match and if so, how many generations back it is. So
far everything I have seen indicates this might be our John Rollins.
And my gut feeling is that the DNA test would match. Then the only
thing missing is his headstone that might tell us if his birthday
matches.

Ed Rollins

Steve Weaver

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Hey Ed,
 
Gee, looks like you might have solved this mystery!  I knew about the American Revolution and 1874 book mention but had my hands full tracking his progeny to devote much attention to his ancestry.  Thank you for plugging away at this!  Steve Mims and Laney Rollins have been in contact in the past with someone who's heavily researched the Rollins crowd in Virginia and think they might have come from the tidewater area but so far the info is very circumstantial.  Last I heard Steve was not able to reestablish contact with the guy.  Do you think John Rollins might have stopped off in Virginia for a few years en route?  You do mean 1738/39 for his birthdate I'm sure.  Keep me posted!
 
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This is most interesting!  If this is our John, he would have been about 83 years old when he died.  Does the pension application have a signature we could compare to his will?  Where was it filed?  His will was signed Rollings, but earlier spellings by him were Rawlings.  The John Rawlings from the Virginia family was slightly younger, I believe.   Great work!
Laney Rollins
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Hey Ed,
 
Gee, looks like you might have solved this mystery!  I knew about the American Revolution and 1874 book mention but had my hands full tracking his progeny to devote much attention to his ancestry.  Thank you for plugging away at this!  Steve Mims and Laney Rollins have been in contact in the past with someone who's heavily researched the Rollins crowd in Virginia and think they might have come from the tidewater area but so far the info is very circumstantial.  Last I heard Steve was not able to reestablish contact with the guy.  Do you think John Rollins might have stopped off in Virginia for a few years en route?  You do mean 1738/39 for his birthdate I'm sure.  Keep me posted!
 
Steve

Edgar A Rollins <ed.ro...@us.army.mil> wrote:

I ran across a book on Ancestry called Missourians, Early Settlers In
Missouri. It had 2 pages describing James Rollins. It went on to say
that his grandfather had served in the Revolution. Then I remembered
that I had seen several other refferences that John Rollins had served
in the war. It is also mentioned in James's book he wrote for his
daughter Gladys that John had served, and the Rollins family was very
active in the Revolution. He goes on to say that there was a book
entitled Rawlings Rollins family that was written in 1874 that has a
lot of information on the family history. So I located that book and
decided to do a little backwards research. The book goes into great
detail of the hardships they faced fighting the French/Indians and the
trouble they had gotten into with the British government. Going so far
as to be labled traitors b y the crown, and stripped of all there land.

Under the third generation on page 18 it lists John Rollins (John 3,
James 2, James 1) Born Feb 14 1838/1839; in Greenland New Hampshire,
was in the army of the Revolution, in Capt. Wear'es CO. 1777 which is
all that has been heard of him. I find it interesting that they also
have a lot of the same names as well, ie. James, Henry ect. Our John
Rollins doesnt appear on any records we know of prior to 1790 in NC.
So I got ahold of the Revolutionary war pension application for the
John Rollins that served in Capt Wears CO. On the pension application
(dated 1818) he lists a wife and son, Frederick. He also signes the
paperwork in several places using the spelling Rollins and Rollings.
The signature looks like a match to me and every person I have showed
it to so far. It would also make sense that after serving in the war
he might have wanted to get a fresh start away from bad memories and
his neighbo rs who had labled him and his family as traitors. After

serving in a war for a very long time, going home for the first time
is actually a very hard thing to do, and only those that have served
can understand what that feeling is like. I have also located a few
family trees of the New Hampshire Rollins line, and some of them
migrated to Rutherford NC. I think that with the similarities in the
signatures, the next step is to locate a male family member from the
New Hampshire Rollins's and talk them into doing a DNA comparison to
see if there is a match and if so, how many generations back it is. So
far everything I have seen indicates this might be our John Rollins.
And my gut feeling is that the DNA test would match. Then the only
thing missing is his headstone that might tell us if his birthday
matches.

Ed Rollins

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Yes it does, in fact I have attatched a word document that has both
signatures on it so you can see for yourself. Tell me what you think.

Ed

as to be labled trai tors b y the crown, and stripped of all

his n eighbo rs who had labled him and his family as

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Ed,
Wow.  I'm no expert, but this looks like the same signature.  I'm guessing the top one is from the will, and his handwritting has deteriorated from 1818 to 1821.  where was the application for pension submitted?  If it's from NC, then that nails it.  Is the 1874 book you found the one by John Rodham Rollins?  There's another by Alden Rollins with a slightly different title.  Both are available in reprint.  Would it be possible for you to scan a copy of the writ for pension?  Long ago, I remember seeing a reference to (supposedly) the first Rollins in America who landed in Massachusetts in the early 1600's.  I always thought this one had no relation to us, but if you found one in NH, it's possible I guess.  This may open up a whole 'nother line of investigation.
I'm astonished and amazed.
Laney Rollins
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> This is most interesting! If this is our John, he would have been
> about 83 years old when he died. Does the pension application have a
> signature we could compare to his will? Where was it filed? His will was
> signed Rollings, but earlier spellings by him were Rawlings. The John
> Rawlings from the Virginia family was slightly younger, I believe. Great
> work!
> Laney Rollins
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I'll be taking a driving vacation through North and South Carolina in about
three weeks.  I have 64 gggg-grand's to find and I expect to find 2 of them in
Charleston (a different line).  If any one knows what area I should look for
John Rollins, I could search a few cemeteries.  His head stone may have
good information.
 
Regards,
Tom Shoemaker (off the Burwell Rollins, line (dau. Caroline Thayer Sloan,
dau. Minnie Davis Sloan, dau. Lois Kernaghan, dau. Mary Marsh line).
just figured I'd explain why I'm not a Rollins. 
 
 
 
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Hi Tom,
My name is Laney Rollins, and I'm also off the Burwell Rollins line.  So far, we have been unable to locate either his grave or John's.  However, I'd be happy to show the ruins of Burwell's mill, and the graves of his children, Thomas Benton and Mary Boothe.  Steve Weaver knows where everyone in this area is planted, and if circumstances permit, I'm sure he could provide some help.  I'm not sure, but I think he may know the location of Caroline's and Minnie's graves.  Let me know when you're coming through, and if you're interested, I'll try to make myself available.
Glad to meet you!
Laney
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> &gt ; ; This is most interesting! If this is our John, he would have been
> about 83 years old when he died. Does the pension application have a
> signature we could compare to his will? Where was it filed? His will was
> signed Rollings, but earlier spellings by him were Rawlings. The John
> Rawlings from the Virginia family was slightly younger, I believe. Great
> work!
> Laney Rollins
>
> -------------- Original message from Steve Weaver
> : --------------
>
>
> Hey Ed,
>
> Gee, looks like you might have solved this mystery! I knew about the
> American Revolution and 1874 book mention but had my hands full tracking his
> progeny to devote much attention to his ancestry. Thank you for plugging
> away at this! Steve Mims and Laney Rollins have been in contact in the past
> with someone who's heavily researched the Rollins crowd in Virginia! a nd th ink
> have a lot of the same na m! es as w ell, ie. James, Henry ect.
> Our John
> Rollins doesnt appear on any records we know of prior to 1790
> in NC.
> So I got ahold of the Revolutionary war pension application
> for the
> John Rollins that served in Capt Wears CO. On the pension
> application
> (dated 1818) he lists a wife and son, Frederick. He also
> signes the
> paperwork in several places using the spelling Rollins and
> Rollings.
> The signature looks like a match to me and every person I
> have showed
> it to so far. It would also make sense that after serving in
> the war
> he might have wanted to get a fresh start away from bad
> memories and
> his n eighbo rs who had labled him and his family as
> traitors. After
> serving in a war for a very long time, going home for the
> first time
> is actually a very hard thing to do, and only those that hav e > s erved
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Hi Tom,
 
I know where AJ & Caroline Sloan are buried - Jonesboro Cemetery near Sanford, NC in Lee County.  In fact, give me a day or two and I'll post their headstone pics on www.johnrollinsfamily.org.  Laney and I photographed that cemetery this winter but I've been too bogged down with work and family so far to post them.
 
Lots of luck finding John or Burwell's graves, if so you'll succeed where many have failed and earn the undying gratitude of most everyone here!
 
Do you know what cemeteries/counties in central NC you want to search?  I'll help if I can.  Shoot me a private email at sgw...@yahoo.com and let me know your anticipated dates of travel if you'd rather not post that intelligence here (can't be too careful these days).  Hopefully Laney and I can meet you sometime and show you around.  Also, you can't leave NC without enjoying some good 'cue and Bullock's is about as good as it gets!
 
As I recall you're in south Florida, correct?  Do you per chance have headstone pics of Rollins descendents in that area that you'd be willing to share?  I'll be glad to post them, also any pics of Rollins folk you find in SC during your trip.  Thank you again for the docs you sent earlier, I posted one and am still wrestling with the other - formatting issues - but will get it up soon.
 
Laney, hope you're doing well.  Will be in touch soon.  Did you ever get the GPS thing figured out?  Want to hit the woods one weekend when I'm down?  It's springtime and the chiggers are hungry!
 
Hope to catch up with you while you're in the area, Tom.  Thanks for participating!
 
Steve

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Hello Steve, Laney, Ed and every one,
 
I've got the photos of Caroline Thayer (Rollins) and Alvin Johnson Sloan.
I found them last year, down in Jonesboro.  The GPS location within the grave yard
of their exact location is (in decimal degrees), 35.45064, 79.155660.
 
Carolin's daughter Minnie Davis Sloan married Thomas B. Kernaghan and she's
in Batesburg SC, at 33 degrees, 53.915'N, 81 degrees 32.872'W (I had my GPS set
to degrees and minutes on that trip).  Caroline had another daughter.  My records
show her as Sarah Elizabeth (Betty).  She married a Buchanan.  I don't know where
she's at, but I'm not looking for her.
 
Minnie's only daughter, Lois Marsh is in West Palm Beach Fl. at 26 degrees 30.445' N,
80 degrees, 03.898'W  (Hillcrest cemetery on Parker Ave.).
 
I've got photos of all the graves if any one wants them.
 
I am very interested in the location of Burwell and John.  Thanks a bunch for the
map.  I lined that up with an arial view from map quest and I see an area that is
opened towards the east of the road, but it looks a little too far south to be the Rollins
cemetery.  Maybe that would just be a good place to park as we go out on foot.
 
I'd be very interested in seeing the old ruins of the mill.  I had no idea anything could
still be standing.
 
My schedule puts me in Alexandria Virginia on April 14 (that's Monday evening).
Thus, either Sunday or Saturday I could hunt for Burwell.  What ever is best for
the rest of you.
 
Also, after I received the map, I noticed there is an Avents Ferry Road not too far
away.  That caught my attention in a big way.
 
Burwell's wife, Elizabeth Ragland, fathers (Frederick Ragland), mother, was
Sarah Avent.  I already discovered that either her brothers, or her fathers
brothers, were the ones that had a ferry over some water way.  Thus, it appears
that there are a lot of other ancestors in the general area.
 
I'm attaching a WordPad (not ms-word), document that shows the family tree
of Burwell to the best of my current understanding.  To view it, just open with
wordpad and change it to Landscape, with the smallest fonts and setup with
biggest paper size such as tabloid.
 
Regards,
Tom.
 
2b-MinnieSloan.rtf

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Your welcome for the map. Just remember to go into the settings of your GPS
and change it to NAD 27. If you don't, those coordinates will put you on the
side of the ridge on the other side of the road. Also I was assured by the
surveyors that that coordinate was accurate to within 9 feet of the graveyard
and located at 385ft above sea level on the top of the hill. It was last seen
around 20 years ago by a Mr Reagan, who lives a short distance away from it
through the woods. But he is very old and cannot get there anymore. He does
say that it was very well marked and has headstones, so you should find
something. He goes on to say that that cemetary was being taken care of by
the Burt family at one time, but he doesn't know when they stopped. Good
luck, I am sooo jealous. I wish I was going with you.

Ed Rollins


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Steve Weaver

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Hi Tom,
 
Glad you've already found the Jonesboro Cemetery.  Thank you for the headstone info!  When you have a chance, will you please send me headstone photos of the SC and FL folk? I will gladly post those on the website.
 
Ed, by the way, I'm gonna try to get down to Morven sometime soon and photograph the headstones there on your line.  Will let you know when that's done.
 
Laney, I'm going to be in Texas the weekend that Tom is around, can you guys get together and go to the mill?  Sorry but I will not get back into RDU until that Sunday evening.  If you're interested in 'cue, be aware that Bullock's is closed on Sunday.
 
Tom, hope you have a safe and productive trip.  Take care and stay in touch!
 
Steve

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Laney,
 
Since you're more local than the rest of us, would you be so kind as to try to get in touch with the Buckhorn Hunt Club?  Surely someone hunting that property has seen the graveyard if Mr. Reagan remembers seeing it within the past couple of decades.  Perhaps we could persuade someone there to lead us to it so we can photograph it?  I can probably hook up with you Saturday the 5th if you want to go bushwhacking.
 
Ed, do you have a street address for Mr. Rollins?  If he lives a short distance from the graveyard then knowing his location might help us GPS-challenged folk pinpoint it better.  Please don't post it here, send it to me in a private email.  Also, does he have any kids or grandkids that might assist us in locating it?
 
Wish we knew which Burts were formerly tending the graveyard, they might also be able to help if they're still around.
 
I'm jealous too, unfortunately am still bogged down here with work and mom stuff.  There's light at the end of the tunnel, though.  Knowing my luck, it's probably another train!
 
Steve
x53041 wrote:

I'll be taking a driving vacation through North and South
Carolina in about
three weeks. I have 64 gggg-grand's to find and I expect to
find 2 of them in
Charleston (a different line). If any one knows what area I
should look for
John Rollins, I could search a few cemeteries. His head
stone may have
good information.

Regards,
Tom Shoemaker (off the Burwell Rollins, line (dau. Caroline
Thayer Sloan,
dau. Minnie Davis Sloan, dau. Lois Kernaghan, dau. Mary Marsh
line).
just figured I'd explain why I'm not a Rollins.




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Ed,
Wow. I'm no expert, but this looks like the same signature. I'm guessing
the top one is from the will, and his handwritting has deteriorated from 1818
to 1821. where was the application for pension submitted? If it's from NC,
then that nails it. Is the 1874 book you found the one by John Rodham
Rollins? There's another by Alden Rollins with a slightly different title.
Both are available in reprint. Would it be possible for you to scan a copy
of the writ for pension? Long ago, I remember seeing a reference to
(supposedly) the first Rollins in America who landed in Massachusetts in the
early 1600's. I always thought this one had no relation to us, but if you
found one in NH, it's possible I guess. This may open up a whole 'nother
line of investigation.
I'm astonished and amazed.
Laney Rollins

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Hi Steve,
I know I said I'd do this but haven't gotten around to it.  I will try to call Fred Burt tonight and see if he can shed any light on this.  There are no listings for Buckhorn Hunting Club, but Fred knows some people in it.  I'm still wondering if they are not confusing it withthe Booth cemetery.  I'll let you know.  The 5th or 6th would be OK with me.  I don't plan to go anywhere that weekend.
Laney
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As I recall y ou're in south Florida, correct? Do you per chance have

headstone pics of Rollins descendents in that area that you'd be willing to
share? I'll be glad to post them, also any pics of Rollins folk you find in
SC during your trip. Thank you again for the docs you sent earlier, I posted
one and am still wrestling with the other - formatting issues - but will get
it up soon.

Laney, hope you're doing well. Will be in touch soon. Did you ever
get the GPS thing figured out? Want to hit the woods one weekend when I'm
down? It's springtime and the chiggers are hungry!

Hope to catch up with you while you're in the area, Tom. Thanks for
participating!

Steve

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I'll be taking a driving vacation through North and South
Carolina in about
three weeks. I have 64 gggg-grand's to find and I expect to
find 2 of them in
Charleston (a different line). If any one knows what area I
should look forJohn Rollins, I could search a few cemeteries. His head
> The signature lo oks like a match to me and every person I
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I don't have a street address for Mr Reagen, but I can make a phone call to
get it for you. The women I had spoke with that knows him had tried to get
him to take sombody out there, but he was too old and couldn't make it. Also
that women (Irene Kittenger) had gone down that road years ago with an old
women that was a Rollins female pointing out where the Rollins farm was, old
houses and who they belonged to and she had pointed into the woods there and
stated that that was the location of the old Rollins cemetary. Irene said it
was so long ago that all she remembers was that it was before you hit the
Harnett county line heading south. And When she was helping a Burt family
member research the Burt family, He had stated that they were taking care of
the old Rollins cemetary there at one time. She has a great deal of
information on the locations of the cemetaries, and states that it is there.
She is also the one that had the location of the Rollins/Patrick cemetary as
well. And as you know her information was right on the money with that one.
And when I spoke with the land surveyors from Shearon Harris, they knew
nothing about the Booth cemetary, and that the Rollins cemetary, according to
the original surveyors notes, it was a Rollins cemetary and was very well
marked with headstones.

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Is this lady still alive?  She sure might be worth talking to if possible.  For what's worth, I went up that road years ago with my father (passed in 1991) who remembered seeing the foundation of the house and some grave markers when he was a little boy.  Since he was born in 1911, you can guess how long ago that was.  The area has been logged at least once, if not more since then.  The Gaston Rollins cemetery, which Fred Burt showed me five or six years ago, but now I can't find, is probably about one mile from the Booth cemetery, so CP&L couldn't have made that mistake.  When was the CP&L survey done?  Do we have coordinates from CP&L for the Rollins cemetary?  The ones Ed gave us before led Steve and I to the Booth cemetery, but despite our best efforts, that's all we could locate.  Found several deer stands though.
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> Hello Steve, Laney, Ed and every one,
>
> I've got the photos of Caroline Thayer (Rollins) and Alvin Johnson
> Sloan.
> I found them last year, down in Jonesboro. The GPS location within
> the grave
> yard of their exact location is (in decimal degrees), 35.45064,
> 79.155660.
>
> Carolin's daughter Minnie Davis Sloan married Thomas B. Kernaghan and
> she's
> in Batesburg SC, at 33 degrees, 53.915'N, 81 degrees 32.872'W (I had
> my GPS
> set to degrees and minutes on that trip). Caroline had another
> daughter. My
> records show her as Sarah Elizabeth (Betty). She married a Buchanan.
> I
> don't know where she's at, but I'm not looking for her.
>
> Minnie's only daughter, Lois Marsh is in West Palm Beach Fl. at 26
> degrees
> 30 .445' N, 80 degrees, 03.898'W (Hillcrest cemetery on Parker Ave.).
>
> I've got photos of all the graves if any one wants them.
>
> I am very interested in the location of Burwell and John. Thanks a
> bunch for
> the map. I lined that up with an arial view from map quest and I see
> an area
> that is opened towards the east of the road, but it looks a little
> too far
> south to be the Rollins cemetery. Maybe that would just be a good
> place to
> park as we go out on foot.
>
> I'd be very interested in seeing the old ruins of the mill. I had no
> idea
> anything could still be standing.
>
> My schedule puts me in Alexandria Virginia on April 14 (that's Monday
> evening).
> Thus, either Sunday or Saturday I could hunt for Burwell. What ever
> is best
> for the rest of you.
>
> Also, after I received the map, I notice d there is an Avents Ferry
> Road not
> too far away. That caught my attention in a big way.
>
> Burwell's wife, Elizabeth Ragland, fathers (Frederick Ragland),
> mother, was
> Sarah Avent. I already discovered that either her brothers, or her
> fathers
> brothers, were the ones that had a ferry over some water way. Thus,
> it
> appears that there are a lot of other ancestors in the general area.
>
> I'm attaching a WordPad (not ms-word), document that shows the family
> tree of
> Burwell to the best of my current understanding. To view it, just
> open with
> wordpad and change it to Landscape, with the smallest fonts and setup
> with
> biggest paper size such as tabloid.
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> Regards,
> Tom.
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> x53...@intergate.com
> 561-317-3803.
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> get the GPS thing figure d out? Want to hit the woods one weekend when
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> > Hey Ed,
> >
> > Gee, looks like you might have solved this mystery! I knew about
> the
> > American Revolution and 1874 book mention but had my hands full
> tracking his
> > progeny to devote much attention to his ancestry. Thank you for
> plugging
> > away at this! Steve Mims and Laney Rollins have been in contact in
> the past
> > with someone who's heavily researched the Rollins crowd in
> Virginia! and th ink
> > they might have come from the tidewater area but so far the info is
> very
> > circumstantial. Last I heard Steve was not able to reestablish
> contact with
> > the guy. Do you think John Rollins might have stopped off in
> Virginia for a
> > few years en route? You do mean 1738/39 for his b irthdate I'm sure.
> Keep me
> > posted!
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > Edgar A Rollins wrote:
> >
> >
> > I ran across a book on Ancestry called Missourians, Early
> > Settlers In
> > Missouri. It had 2 pages describing James Rollins. It went on
> > to say
> > that his grandfather had served in the Revolution. Then I
> > remembered
> > that I had seen several other refferences that John Rollins
> > had served
> > in the war. It is also mentioned in James's book he wrote for
> > his
> > daughter Gladys that John had served, and the Rollins family
> > was very > active in the Revolution. He goes on to say that there
> was a
> > book
> > entitled Rawlings Rollins family that was written in 1874
> > that has a
> > lot of information on the family hist ory. So I located that
> > book and
> > decided to do a little backwards research. The book goes into
> > great
> > detail of the hardships they faced fighting the
> > French/Indians and the
> > trouble they had gotten into with the British government.
> > Going so far
> > as to be labled trai tors b y the crown, and stripped of all
> > there land.
> > Under the third generation on page 18 it lists John Rollins
> > (John 3,
> > James 2, James 1) Born Feb 14 1838/1839; in Greenland New
> > Hampshire,
> > was in the army of the Revolution, in Capt. Wear'es CO. 1777
> > which is
> > all that has been heard of him. I find it interesting that
> > they also
> > have a lot of the same nam! es as w ell, ie. James, Henry ect.
> > Our John
> > Rollins doesnt appear on any records we know of prio r to 1790
> >
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Mar 25, 2008, 11:21:26 AM3/25/08
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Hey, I was looking at the tree and trying to figure out what to do next when
I realized that I had no idea who this Fletcher Rollins is. He is listed as a
son of Henry and Mary Rollins on the family tree. But he shows up on the 1856
census as living with Henry's mother Rebecca at the age of 4, along with Lany
mims. Then he shows up as a domestic servant in the williams houshold in the
1870 census at the age of 12. And that is all that I can find on him. What do
we have that shows he was a child of Henry Rollins? And if he was, why was he
living with his grandmother and not the rest of the Henry family? Any ideas?

Ed

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Domestic servant?  Former slave?
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Mar 25, 2008, 12:30:58 PM3/25/08
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That is what it says on the 1870 census. I am assumuing that he was living
there and working for room and board for whatever reason, but the census
taker puts him down as a domestic servant. I was thinking that maybe he was
an illigitimate child? Or maybe an orphan? But I don't think that a Rollins
orphan would have been sent to live with the William Patrick family and
required to work for room and board. More likely he was illigitamate for some
reason.

Ed


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Hi all,
 
This kids's been bugging me for awhile too.  I posted what little I know about him to this site awhile back.  I placed him with Henry mainly because he shows up with the Patricks in 1870 who were Henry's in-laws; figured that was somehow Henry's doing.
 
I would guess he was an illigitimate grandson of Frederick based on his appearance in Rebecca's 1850 household.  He is not likely John W.'s by marriage, otherwise why would he not have accompanied his mother and surviving siblings to Alabama after John's death in 1856.  Robert did not marry until 1849 and Wyatt until 1860, well after Fletcher's birth.
 
If I had to guess I'd say he descends from one of the girls and Henry took him under his wing, hence the Patrick connection.  But this will likely take some digging through local county records to tease out further information.
 
Ed, can you track this kid past 1870?  He just sort of disappears from census records.  If we can find out when he died (hopefully after 1913 if in NC) then maybe we can get a death certificate on him that would shed light on his parentage.
 
Steve


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That is what it says on the 1870 census. I am assumuing that he was living
there and working for room and board for whatever reason, but the census
taker puts him down as a domestic servant. I was thinking that maybe he was
an illigitimate child? Or maybe an orphan? But I don't think that a Rollins
orphan would have been sent to live with the William Patrick family and
required to work for room and board. More likely he was illigitamate for some
reason.

Ed

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> Hey, I was looking at the tree and trying to figure out what to do
next when
> I realized that I had no idea who this Fletcher Rollins is. He is
listed as a
> son of Henry and Mary Rollins on the family tree. But he shows up
on the 1856
> census as living with Henry's mother Rebecca at the age of 4, along
with Lany
> mims. Then he shows up as a domestic servant in the williams
houshold in the
> 1870 census at the age of 12. And that is all that I can find on
him. What do
> we have that shows he was a child of Henry Rollins? And if he was,
why was he
> living with his grandmother and not the rest of the Henry family?
Any ideas?
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Im already on it. I am beginning to get the idea that he didn't survive
though. A clue of where he came from might be to the fact that on the 1870
sencus where he is listed as a domestic servant, he is not the only domestic
servant named Rollins. There was also a Madison Rollins born 1862 on the same
census, and also listed as a domestic servant. Since he was only 12 and her
10, I would assume that they are not married, and are brother and sister. I
am running dry on a paper trail though. But I do have an idea, you know me
(always thinking outside the box) When we went to Missouri to visit family we
were surprised to see that just the occasion of our visit warrented a mention
in the local newspaper. That along with the people who didn't attend church
that previous Sunday had there names published as well. So I am sure that if
they were iether orphaned or illigitimate that would have made the local
paper. So I am combing through the local newspapers from that time period to
take a look see. It's a longshot, but worth a try.
Ed

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Also before I forget, I have posted a new photo on my tree (Rollins, Gift,
and other families) of Henry G Rollins. James Rollins Hoag sent it to me, so
the credit for it goes to him. It is a photo of Henry in his Civil War
uniform. He looks a lot older and worn down in it as expected given the fact
that he was in the NC 47th from 1862-1865.
Ed

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