Tafsir Ibn Kathir Islamic Foundation Pdf

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Thisconversation supposed to be in tafsir ibn kathir, tafsir of (Qur'an 7:23) But i checked and can't find the same conversation as in YouTube. Do anyone know where this conversation is from?

وقال السدي عمن حدثه عن ابن عباس : فتلقى آدم من ربه كلمات قال : قال آدم عليه السلام : يا رب ألم تخلقني بيدك قيل له : بلى . ونفخت في من روحك قيل له : بلى . وعطست فقلت : يرحمك الله وسبقت رحمتك غضبك قيل له : بلى وكتبت علي أن أعمل هذا قيل له : بلى . قال : أفرأيت إن تبت هل أنت راجعي إلى الجنة قال : نعم .


"Adam said, 'O Lord! Did You not created me with Your Own Hands' He said, 'Yes.' He said, 'And blow life into me' He said, 'Yes.' He said, 'And when I sneezed, You said, 'May Allah grant you His mercy.' Does not Your mercy precede Your anger' He was told, 'Yes.' Adam said, 'And You destined me to commit this evil act' He was told, 'Yes.' He said, 'If I repent, will You send me back to Paradise' Allah said, 'Yes.'' '


I enjoy reading Ibn Kathirs work on the Quran. It is very in depth and provides a wealth of information....I don't care whether he was shia, sunni, salafi, or whatever.....why do some people on here condemn anyones work who was not Shia. Do you know how much time these scholars put into their works...some dedicated their life to them. Even Imam Bukhari was a great scholar who began the realm of hadith exploration. YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THAT HADITHS ARE NARRATED FROM HUMANS AND HUMANS ARE NOT INFALLIBLE. Of course there is going to be daef or fabricated hadiths in any work...but we can't totally condemn that work. We shia have to stop being so narrow minded....even Sayyed Ammar said this....we don't care to venture anywhere outside our own works.


(salam) I don't see any objection to reading the works of Ibn Kathir. I also enjoy reading the works of Al Tabari. However, some of their opinions are incorrect. I have found many discrepancies in their tafasir when compared to that of Ahlul Bayt (as).


One example, regarding the verse that states the food of the people of the book is lawful for us. He tried to prove through 3 stories that the Holy Prophet (sas) ate the meat of Ahlul Kitaab & it was allowed to eat their slaughtered meat. When I consulted our scholars, they told me all 3 stories were a fabrication and the Holy Prophet never did that. Also, Imam Sadiq (as) said that the word "Food" in that verse refers only to fruits, grains, etc. So by following that opinion of Ibn Kathir on that specific matter, one can be led into doing haraam.


(salam) The tafsir of "Al Mizaan" is much more reliable, clear, and sensible. However, I am not a scholar, but I have read much of both. One thing is for sure however, they are different in many areas. For example, in the verses of Qur'an that relate directly to Ahlul Bayt (as) such as Surat al Insaan and others, Ahlul Bayt are either removed from the equation or mentioned in a way that takes much from them in the Tafsir of Ibn Kathir. In fact, I know Christians who became Muslims because of the logical arguments of Allamah Tabtabai (ra).


the man claimed shamelessly that no verse , not a single verse was revealed about imam ali(as) and this contradicts most sunni ulama like ahmed ibn hanbal who acknowledges that many verses were revealed about ima ali(as) and the view of ibn katheer only shows his deviance and that he simply lied. he's also the student of ibn taymyya and has similar beliefs to him regarding sifat Allah etc....


It's useful for understanding how modern Sunnis view the Qur'an, since most of them like Ibn Kathir's interpretation to varying degrees. Yes it's true he was a nasibi and anti-Ahlul Bayt, so don't take him at his word. But he did have a lot of knowledge and compiled a lot of information in his book, so to have a good grasp of all Islamic schools it's pretty essential to read him as well as other tafsirs.


The odd thing is that was far LESS authoritative as a Tafsir scholar (mufassir) among Sunnis historically than he is now. The current "Sunni" craze over Ibn Kathir is largely due to Salafi influence and mass "book-dumping" (a lot of this is by Ikhwanis as well as Wahhabis).


In his own time Ibn Kathir was respected only for his raw knowledge and skill in memorization, not for his creed or belief or even practical intelligence - other scholars considered him VERY deviated in aqeedah, and a large number of mainstream Sunnis of the 4 schools denounced him as a kaffir! This was because Shaykh Ibn Hajar al-Haytami al-Makki and about 40 other high-ranking Sunni shaykhs and Muftis deemed Ibn Taymiyyah to be a heretic and a Kaffir due to his being an anthropomorphist and having very deviated beliefs about shirk and Hell fire, and they also issued fatwas to the effect that whoever considered him correct or gave him the honorable title of "Shaykh'ul Islam" is ALSO a kaffir and an apostate, it is permitted to expel him and seize his assets. And of course Ibn Kathir was one Ibn Taymiyya's top students, and he DID recognize his former teacher as "Shayh 'ul Islam".


So the majority of Sunni scholars shunned Ibn Kathir as well. The funny thing is that another of Ibn Taymiyyah's former students, al-Dhahabi, actually denounced Ibn Taymiyyah (in a very public letter) for his attacks on Imam Ali's credibility. He alluded to some of Ibn Taymiyyah's other students being his sycophantic, unscrupulous followers as "meatheads, hide-bound do-nothings full of ignorance" - this is interpreted by some as a veiled reference to Ibn Kathir and Ibn al-Qayyim (another follower and former student of Ibn Taymiyyah).


He is quoted by anti-Muslim writers due to the extreme stance and violence in much of his polemic. Basically they will quote anybody who said even a few things that make Islam look bad. There were many other tafsirs which were considered far better than his, by far more learned scholars, and many of these are still highly popular with Sunnis - such as Tafsir al-Baidawi, Tafsir al-Jalalayn, Tafsir Ruh al-Ma'ani, Tafsir Mazhari, Tafsir Qurtubi, etc. It's hard to say whether Ibn Kathir is the most popular nowadays. Due to the Ikhwani influence among many Sunnis, mostly Egyptians and Pakistanis, Ibn Kathir is often the most widely read, but they still respect al-Jalalayn and al-Qurtubi and the like... but most younger Sunnis often have not read them and don't know WHY they're supposed to be important!


If you really want to know good tafsir, you should read major Shia Tafsirs like Majmu' al-Bayan and Tafsir al-Mizan. These are far better for your Iman, though it's occasionally useful to learn the Sunni tafsirs too.


It's useful for understanding how Sunnis view the Qur'an, since most of them like Ibn Kathir's interpretation to varying degrees. Yes it's true he was a nasibi and anti-Ahlul Bayt, so don't take him at his word. But he did have a lot of knowledge and compiled a lot of information in his book, so to have a good grasp of all Islamic schools it's pretty essential to read him.


So the majority of Sunni scholars shunned Ibn Kathir as well. There were many other tafsirs which were considered far better than his, and are still highly popular - such as Tafsir al-Baidawi, Tafsir al-Jalalayn, Tafsir Ruh al-Ma'ani, Tafsir Mazhari, etc.


Jazakallah brother. Very interesting post. The fact that its recent popularity is partly due to the Wahhabi influence gives some insight into why it is so frequently quoted by the ennemies of Islam. Can you suggest any references for further reading on Ibn Kathir?


Al-Mizan is far superior since it's by a master Shia scholar who actually knew the proper place of the Ahlul Bayt in Qur'an studies. It's also far more detailed in explaining as many hidden meanings and esoteric aspects of the Qur'an as possible, Allamah Tabataba'i was more than just a scholar, he was also one of the most gifted philosophers, exegetes AND arefs (mystics) in ALL of Islam, and many current Grand Ayatollahs were his students. He practically oozed wisdom :!!!:


Of course if you want a REALLY old-school Shia tafsir from the "classic" times, get Majmu' al-Bayan by Shaykh al-Fadl ibn al-Hasan al-Tabarsi.. It's basically the foundation for much of the Shia understanding of the Qur'an today, and it's nearly 900 years old.

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