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[This message has been edited by DODANG914 (edited 01-03-2021 @ 03:52 PM).] WinterGod
Mortal posted 03 January 2021 05:43 PM EDT (US) 3 / 11
I read original post, all the other points were quite universal, and I answered them.
I have to disagree with the AI, it's quite broken, and it's quite easy to use a horse to drag it's armies around the map. It never attacks, if you are stronger and better defended than the AI. It usually has a very predictable pattern. It's quite vulnerable to ranged buildings.
I have to disagree with the Titans and the Wonders. I almost
never use either of those, and still defeat the AI. It really doesn't have to last 4 hours. Most games end in 20-40 minutes. Even in Sudden death.
I agree that minor gods are not perfectly balanced but I have to disagree with the Freyja part. Most Odin players pick Freyja because Valkyrie are usually stronger than most other classical age myth units. Tyr military upgrades are quite powerful too. I have seen players devastate enemy towns with large packs of Fenris wolves.
I honestly wouldn't want my enemy to have multiple pestilence, or eclipse god powers. Online games really wouldn't function if everyone uses their god powers every 15 mins. XLightningStormL
Mortal
(id: TheBronyKing11) posted 03 January 2021 11:04 PM EDT (US) 4 / 11 TL: DR - OP is a smoothbrained simpleton, and should go back to playing AoE2 if AoM is "so hard" and "complex" for them.
EDIT: GIT GUD
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a) Yeah this is a pretty big issue in AoM, Idk ES wanted to simplify the description so much, but the gist is that units are divided into soft counters (are better against on average, think Scout Cav vs Archers, Hoplites vs Cav but need mass to be viable) and hard counters (Prodromos, AoE2 Spearman, etc)
b) Meta is funny, isn't it? Also doesn't help that population is a more important resource than previous games, partially to help with 2001's average CPUs/GPUs but also to enforce Settlement combat.
c) of course a ranged MU is going to beat an infantry MU lol, counter triangle son.
2) I'd rather diversity in tech tree that's unbalanced than having the same bland tech tree for every civ, you can play any civ in AoE2, and there will only be minor differences, with civ bonuses designed for certain strat-types, but beyond that you are still playing the same civ.
Also how is that any different from any other Age game OP?
3) That's the whole point MU > HU > Hero > MU, clearly you aren't playing the game properly, it's also a design choice.
4) Design decision, GPs aren't supposed to be common things you spam every 2 seconds, otherwise they'd become boring, overused, and overpowered.
5) Design decision that speeds up the game by making TCs and population an important resource, rather than a nuisance, I don't particularly love it either, but I think it's great for the identity for the game.
5b) FOUND THE GAME JOURNALIST
Also AoM is a far better game than "generic RTS that's a reskin of AoE1 with Medieval elements and QoL features" and "generic tech demo that was created due to executive meddling with no soul, and dumb design decisions that doesn't even feel like it belongs in the series"
If you love AoE2 so much, why don't you just go back and play that outdated, overrated game? In fact, I like people like you, because it helps protect the game when you smoothbrain soyboys like to vidya-gentrify anything that is from a "nostalgic era" so you wankers tend to only act as if AoE2 is the only game in the series, and if that leaves AoM away from being reaped by MS to make an awful DE that's AoMEE's launch state on steroids with fancy graphics, fine.Creator of AoM Expanded Mod ( =1828492742) and Mod on AoEWiki (Morayus1)[This message has been edited by XLightningStormL (edited 01-03-2021 @ 11:05 PM).] Venlesh
Heir of Elendil
(id: The Elva_Rokk) posted 03 January 2021 11:05 PM EDT (US) 5 / 11 Current Projects:
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Mortal posted 05 January 2021 02:59 PM EDT (US) 6 / 11 If your using memes to discredit the post than it must mean that this post actually has merit and in some regards has some truth to it as your unable to rationally argue about or disapprove its legitimacy.
Look I have been playing Titan difficulty and i decided to do a mirror match up of Isis vs Ra on the map "River Styx". The end game is very similar. the computer attacks, than eventually stops attacking(bugs?) and than it takes a really long time(like 2 hours) to win in the end game from excessive strength of turtling in the game.
The post has nothing to do with "Meta". Couldn't care less about it. It has everything to do with how "END GAME" is conducted. I am aware of that you can send small "fake armies" to trick the AI into following your units and then attack the base while the AI leaves its base undefended but this is NOT the point of the post. The post is not about "YOUR AI IS BAD, IMPROVE AI TO BE SMARTER". I do not list this as a problem but it might good thing to look into making a better and smart AI in the game.
As I state in the original post. If you try to "brute force" attack armies head on in the late game. there are a bunch of reasons that I list for why I think the "dull down" into not being able to deliver decisive blows and sieges.
Which were:
1) Armies are not rock paper scissors(Defeats purpose of scouting in the game), creates a problem where current army numerical advantage can be overturned by base defenders without significant damage to the base.
2) Siege is not strong enough or quick enough at destroying builds
3) Myth units in general are pointless game-flavor as most of them are not particularly useful or game changing.
4) God powers range from Useful to bad & only give a single chance to be game-enders otherwise are a waste(There is no way to get god powers back).
5) as a result of point 3 and 4, Minor god are not exactly too well balanced. Not much critical decision making.
Unfortunately, there does not seem to be too much critical discussion so I'm not sure why I even bother posting. Anyhow these ideas are more related to making "End game" of Age of mythology more enjoyable and more skillful than again, the game is pretty old so I'd guess its dead game anyway by now. WinterGod
Mortal posted 05 January 2021 03:31 PM EDT (US) 7 / 11 I agree with the rock paper scissor mechanic, that's not programmed very well.
Siege is problematic vs the AI, because the AI cheats. And it's worse on the Sudden Death Map. Resource cheating is actually a major problem. No idea why you are okay with the AI cheating. All the God Powers are quite useful. Some of them are more useful and less situational then others.
But I have to disagree with the re-usable god powers. I don't want to imagine the Titan AI, using those God-powers multiple times. Underworld Passage alone is quite deadly.
I don't think you are playing this game online. Bolt or Eclipse, usually change the pace of the game, permanently. I guess you can use the cheat DIVINE INTERVENTION vs the AI, to use your godpower multiple times.
Most siege weapons are quite OP, after the upgrades. 3 Ballista with the upgrades can take down most buildings, with little or no help from others.
Myth units are usually strong for their respective ages. I don't fully agree with the Hero system in the game, but Colossus, Mummy, Heka Gigantes, are all quite strong, having myth units in your army always makes the game easier.
I don't disagree with the general statement here about the units, population cap, and some of the issues. In fact I was the one, who reached out to interviewers to ask the devs about the population cap, and it's made moddable in the newest patch.
I just have to disagree with the suggested fixes for the God Powers and such. 1 son of osiris is deadly enough. I can't imagine anyone having 3, in one game. XLightningStormL
Mortal
(id: TheBronyKing11) posted 06 January 2021 11:57 AM EDT (US) 8 / 11 @DODANG914
Ah yes, the old "I have a big brain" and a thousand other lies you can tell yourself.
Most of the stuff you are complaining about is because you are an AoE2 Fanboy, which mind you, had far worse problems, there is bugger all "critical thinking" in that beyond booming, and spamming trash armies or Skirmishers + Knights.
Once again,
1) Literally in every Age of Empires game, why are you even complaining about it?
2) Buildings are destroyed by Siege far quicker than AoE2, because buildings in AoM have far lower hitpoints, and armour than AoE2, not to mention the addition of the Crush damage/armourtype.
3) Still used because they are better than human units, directly conflicting with your statement.
4) Design Decision by ES, as WinterGod said, having three Sons of Osirises are not going to be fun. Eclipse, Ceasefire and practically any other major GP are too powerful to be used more than once - AN INTENDED GAME FEATURE!
5) Think of Minor gods like civs in AoE2, they have their benefits and choices, and you can't have more than one at a time (well age-wise in AoM)
Also, 'nice' way of twisting your points into completely different points really 'helps your argument' NOT.
Play multiplayer anytime, and your points will become ash, but you won't because it wouldn't suit your argument.Creator of AoM Expanded Mod ( =1828492742) and Mod on AoEWiki (Morayus1) Venlesh
Heir of Elendil
(id: The Elva_Rokk) posted 08 January 2021 11:16 PM EDT (US) 9 / 11 I replied with a meme because your arguments aren't really worth the effort of deposing. But once you've come back with with some citable ranked game evidence of your debate, I'll give you the time of day.Current Projects:
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Mortal posted 20 April 2021 11:42 AM EDT (US) 10 / 11 Welp, looks like this thread got my curiosity and so it happens I had to check this out, lol.Quoted from DODANG914:
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