Soon-to-be new pilot, hello all!

[Kyle Barbour]

Hello everyone!

 

I've been lurking on the list since the winter, and wanted to introduce myself now that I've signed up for my P2 class :) I'll be training with Eagle Paragliding in Santa Barbara in May, and hope to be getting into the sky with you all as soon after as I can. I've been reading a ton and getting super stoked, can't wait to get going.

 

I'm hoping to join the April Zoom meeting to get to know you all a bit; would love to hear what the next steps ought to be for me to start flying with you all once I finish my course. I was planning on joining RAF as a regular member once I have USHPA membership.

 

About me: I've been adventuring outside for a long time, mostly climbing, skiing, and surfing, but am new to sky sports since coming to Rochester. I've done a little skydiving and am brand new to paragliding. I'm one of the local emergency physicians and got into my career through search and rescue in the Sierra. Ultimately, I'm excited to build my paragliding skills to hike and fly in the mountains. Very curious about any information folks have about that; it seems that there's very few people paragliding in the Adirondacks but I'm not sure why. I know landing zones are limited but there's probably more to it than that.

 

Would be grateful for any new pilot advice, information about how you all scope out the local weather and conditions, and hope to see you all soon! I'm trying to build my knowledge with Understanding the Sky, Cloudbase Mayhem, the Art of Paragliding, and Paragliding: The Beginner's Guide, definitely up for any other recommendations.

 

Thanks all!

 

Best,

 

Kyle

 

-- 

Kyle Barbour
Never mind the balrogs.
ky...@kylebarbour.org
Rochester, NY

[David Oddy]

Hi Kyle!

I'm actually in the SF Bay area, but visit family in Syracuse every year or so and like to fly there when I'm in town. I have a few friends who teach at Eagle and they're great!  Good choice!!

There are a couple of cloudbase mayhem episodes on emergency response which might interest you with your background.  Our local club here in California is organizing a wilderness emergency response class for next week.  I'm sure your expertise will be welcome!

Although I don't know the new york hike and fly scene, I do quite a bit here as well as the occasional volbiv and I'm happy to answer questions you might have about gear for either.  My hike and fly kit is currently at about 7-10kg depending on what wing and harness I choose.

Santa Barbara also has an amazing hike and fly community, including Logan Walters, who has been selected for the 2023 XAlps this summer.

Dave

--
***Be sure to check the Group Calendar often!***
http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=rochesterareaflyers%40gmail.com&ctz=America/New_York
 
***Bristol Mtn Weather & Webcam***
- https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KNYNAPLE32
- https://www.bristolmountain.com/webcam/
 
You received this because you are subscribed to "RochesterAreaFlyers"
To post to this group, send email to:
rochester...@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to:
rochesterareafl...@googlegroups.com
For more options, visit this group at:
http://groups.google.com/group/rochesterareaflyers?hl=en
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RochesterAreaFlyers" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rochesterareafl...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rochesterareaflyers/875672425.319171.1678743271596%40office.mailbox.org.

[David Oddy]

Oh - those two Cloudbase Mayhem episodes:

• https://www.cloudbasemayhem.com/episode-127-hypoxia-cold-accident-and-reserve-studies-and-more-with-dr-matt-wilkes/
  
• https://www.cloudbasemayhem.com/episode-150-critical-care-for-going-deep-with-justin-grisham/
  

Interestingly they have quite different perspectives as medical professionals and the second one is almost a rebuttal to the first.  I met Justin last year and spoke quite a bit.  I think his approach may be a little more relevant for the kind of situations we face.  His core message is to only carry what will stop you from dying while you get aid or self-rescue.  Anything else, like small scrapes, infections, etc. can wait.  Whereas Matt seems to propose readiness for much more comprehensive care.  Both are physicians, but Justin also has direct wilderness rescue experience.  He also told me that he always prefers to use the equipment/supplies the patient is carrying rather than his own, in addition to things he can improvise, so I now carry the kit he recommends in that podcast.  Interesting stuff - I'd be interested in your perspective on the two!

Dave

[David Oddy]

Oops - this is the one about equipment from Matt Wilkes.  The other is a more recent episode - also good though!

https://www.cloudbasemayhem.com/episode-43-matt-wilkes-and-emergency-medicine-hypoxia-and-extreme-physiology-for-pilots/

[Rick Brown]

At ski patrol we teach a mountain travel and rescue course and one of
the key items we stress are the "10 essentials". While it is not
totally relevant to hike and fly situations there is a lot that
crosses over. In a small 8x8" bag I carry everything needed to stay
out for a couple days if needed. Add in a PG and harness and you could
be pretty comfortable if stuck miles from a road. REI teaches a class
on the 10 essentials and there are many articles about it on the web.
The 10 Essentials - The 10 essentials are navigation tools, a
headlamp, sun protection, first aid kit, knife, fire, shelter, extra
food, extra water, and extra clothes.

> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rochesterareaflyers/CAJWvd6gnmrrXQK1SwXCFebRa%3D7quD8vVH%3DKmqJdbM7gV35kN%3Dw%40mail.gmail.com.

[David Oddy]

That's cool.  Seems like more of survival kit that medical kit though.  What's in their recommended first aid kit?

To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rochesterareaflyers/CAPJ%2B0oqYuWL%3DwCZD0dtXieBENqzoWa7v-ZfMjuNmMTjesoCbvg%40mail.gmail.com.

[Rick Brown]

It is a very basic first aid kit, we stress using what you have on
hand to splint a break, stop severe bleeding etc. and stabilize
someone, then keep them warm and hydrated until they can be removed by
a rescue party.

> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rochesterareaflyers/CAJWvd6i60GnAsWEgBG6_Q6ih%2BkMD0YpyJDSXNWaWXQZpZfV2HA%40mail.gmail.com.

[David Oddy]

Thank you! Makes sense to me!

To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rochesterareaflyers/CAPJ%2B0oqT8coHRSkb4b9qLmG-J82PazTTsnue0_y_KTgYR9tbDQ%40mail.gmail.com.

[matthew conrad]

Welcome Kyle,  I think you will find PG to be an awesome sport. Once bitten it can be addicting (as you most likely have experienced with the other sports you mentioned).

  We have a pretty active group and it seems like more PG members are coming on board (or transitioning/cross training from HG, no offense). 

  A few of us are also PPG (myself for 17yrs, and couple others are currently learning) so there's that also (no offense to free flyer).

Anyway, welcome, and we're always watching the weather so feel free to join the group and meet us on a hill sometime (even before May if you want) to check things out too.

this group is best place to watch and keep updated.

On a skydiving note- Just got back from Hawaii and did my first skydive jump (tandem). Sort of spontaneous decision while walking the beach saw some guys dropping into airport across street from beach.  12.5K' jumped over aqua blue water!  Very cool! I'd do it again.

Matthew Conrad

Delevan NY 

PPG / PG3 Pilot

--

[matthew conrad]

Forgot to mention: We dont do much Hike/Fly excursions but I'd be up for exploring more options this year, has to be some Adirondack peaks we could hop from.  Volbiv would be fun....baby steps.

Matthew Conrad

On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 05:34:38 PM EDT, Kyle Barbour <ky...@kylebarbour.org> wrote:

--

[Kyle Barbour]

Thanks for the warm welcome, everyone!

 

David, awesome that you're flying the in Bay - that's my home, grew up in SF. Maybe I'll get to fly out there with you someday :) I've definitely listened to those Cloudbase Mayhem episodes, hoping to eventually hit up Wilkes once I've gotten some experience. Seems like an awesome guy doing interesting emergency work. I was delighted to hear some sensible talk about traumatic cardiac arrest and preparedness from both him and Grisham. My personal kit in the mountains is a pair of gloves, felt pen, watch, moleskin, and a SAM splint, so I definitely feel the benefits of minimalism myself.

 

I'll be sure to hit you up about gear once I have some better sense of what I'm doing - vol-biv is definitely where I want to be heading.

 

Matthew, I hope I'll be another addict on the paragliding journey, we'll see :) Definitely want to meet up soon and learn. Super rad that you've done some jumps! If you want to do more, let me know - later this summer I'm planning on going to Chicago to go through advanced freefall and would love a buddy :) My experience last year trying to go train in western New York was that my variable schedule and variable weather made it super hard to learn here. Would be curious on your perspective on paramotoring; if it opens things up a bunch in the mountains I'd be stoked to learn. Would love to explore hike and fly options with you and anyone else that's interested.

 

Pumped!

-- 
Kyle Barbour
Never mind the balrogs.
ky...@kylebarbour.org
Rochester, NY

On 03/14/2023 10:50 AM EDT rochester...@googlegroups.com wrote:

 

 

rochester...@googlegroups.com

Google Groups

Topic digest
View all topics

• Soon-to-be new pilot, hello all! - 10 Updates
• I saw this on a FB post - 2 Updates

Soon-to-be new pilot, hello all!

Kyle Barbour <ky...@kylebarbour.org>: Mar 13 05:34PM -0400

Hello everyone! I've been lurking on the list since the winter, and wanted to introduce myself now that I've signed up for my P2 class :) I'll be training with Eagle Paragliding in Santa Barbara in May, and hope to be getting into the sky with you all as soon after as I can. I've been reading a ton and getting super stoked, can't wait to get going. I'm hoping to join the April Zoom meeting to get to know you all a bit; would love to hear what the next steps ought to be for me to start flying with you all once I finish my course. I was planning on joining RAF as a regular member once I have USHPA membership. About me: I've been adventuring outside for a long time, mostly climbing, skiing, and surfing, but am new to sky sports since coming to Rochester. I've done a little skydiving and am brand new to paragliding. I'm one of the local emergency physicians and got into my career through search and rescue in the Sierra. Ultimately, I'm excited to build my paragliding skills to hike and fly in the mountains. Very curious about any information folks have about that; it seems that there's very few people paragliding in the Adirondacks but I'm not sure why. I know landing zones are limited but there's probably more to it than that. Would be grateful for any new pilot advice, information about how you all scope out the local weather and conditions, and hope to see you all soon! I'm trying to build my knowledge with Understanding the Sky, Cloudbase Mayhem, the Art of Paragliding, and Paragliding: The Beginner's Guide, definitely up for any other recommendations. Thanks all! Best, Kyle -- Kyle Barbour Never mind the balrogs. ky...@kylebarbour.org Rochester, NY

David Oddy <da...@davidoddy.com>: Mar 13 02:44PM -0700

Hi Kyle!   I'm actually in the SF Bay area, but visit family in Syracuse every year or so and like to fly there when I'm in town. I have a few friends who teach at Eagle and they're great! Good choice!!   There are a couple of cloudbase mayhem episodes on emergency response which might interest you with your background. Our local club here in California is organizing a wilderness emergency response class for next week. I'm sure your expertise will be welcome!   Although I don't know the new york hike and fly scene, I do quite a bit here as well as the occasional volbiv and I'm happy to answer questions you might have about gear for either. My hike and fly kit is currently at about 7-10kg depending on what wing and harness I choose.   Santa Barbara also has an amazing hike and fly community, including Logan Walters, who has been selected for the 2023 XAlps this summer.     Dave

David Oddy <da...@davidoddy.com>: Mar 13 02:50PM -0700

Oh - those two Cloudbase Mayhem episodes:

- https://www.cloudbasemayhem.com/episode-127-hypoxia-cold-accident-and-reserve-studies-and-more-with-dr-matt-wilkes/ -

https://www.cloudbasemayhem.com/episode-150-critical-care-for-going-deep-with-justin-grisham/   Interestingly they have quite different perspectives as medical professionals and the second one is almost a rebuttal to the first. I met Justin last year and spoke quite a bit. I think his approach may be a little more relevant for the kind of situations we face. His core message is to only carry what will stop you from dying while you get aid or self-rescue. Anything else, like small scrapes, infections, etc. can wait. Whereas Matt seems to propose readiness for much more comprehensive care. Both are physicians, but Justin also has direct wilderness rescue experience. He also told me that he always prefers to use the equipment/supplies the patient is carrying rather than his own, in addition to things he can improvise, so I now carry the kit he recommends in that podcast. Interesting stuff - I'd be interested in your perspective on the two!   Dave

David Oddy <da...@davidoddy.com>: Mar 13 02:52PM -0700

Oops - this is the one about equipment from Matt Wilkes. The other is a more recent episode - also good though!   https://www.cloudbasemayhem.com/episode-43-matt-wilkes-and-emergency-medicine-hypoxia-and-extreme-physiology-for-pilots/

Rick Brown <cloud...@gmail.com>: Mar 13 07:45PM -0400

At ski patrol we teach a mountain travel and rescue course and one of the key items we stress are the "10 essentials". While it is not totally relevant to hike and fly situations there is a lot that crosses over. In a small 8x8" bag I carry everything needed to stay out for a couple days if needed. Add in a PG and harness and you could be pretty comfortable if stuck miles from a road. REI teaches a class on the 10 essentials and there are many articles about it on the web. The 10 Essentials - The 10 essentials are navigation tools, a headlamp, sun protection, first aid kit, knife, fire, shelter, extra food, extra water, and extra clothes.

David Oddy <da...@davidoddy.com>: Mar 13 04:50PM -0700

That's cool. Seems like more of survival kit that medical kit though. What's in their recommended first aid kit?

Rick Brown <cloud...@gmail.com>: Mar 13 07:59PM -0400

It is a very basic first aid kit, we stress using what you have on hand to splint a break, stop severe bleeding etc. and stabilize someone, then keep them warm and hydrated until they can be removed by a rescue party.

David Oddy <da...@davidoddy.com>: Mar 13 05:05PM -0700

Thank you! Makes sense to me!

matthew conrad <mattc...@yahoo.com>: Mar 14 12:51AM

Welcome Kyle,  I think you will find PG to be an awesome sport. Once bitten it can be addicting (as you most likely have experienced with the other sports you mentioned).  We have a pretty active group and it seems like more PG members are coming on board (or transitioning/cross training from HG, no offense).   A few of us are also PPG (myself for 17yrs, and couple others are currently learning) so there's that also (no offense to free flyer).

Anyway, welcome, and we're always watching the weather so feel free to join the group and meet us on a hill sometime (even before May if you want) to check things out too.this group is best place to watch and keep updated.

On a skydiving note- Just got back from Hawaii and did my first skydive jump (tandem). Sort of spontaneous decision while walking the beach saw some guys dropping into airport across street from beach.  12.5K' jumped over aqua blue water!  Very cool! I'd do it again.

Matthew ConradDelevan NY PPG / PG3 Pilot

matthew conrad <mattc...@yahoo.com>: Mar 14 12:55AM

Back to top

I saw this on a FB post

Robert Skinner <robertg...@gmail.com>: Mar 13 04:47PM -0400 Hang Glider Pilots <https://www.facebook.com/groups/168637333152985/?hoisted_section_header_type=recently_seen&multi_permalinks=6678075248875795&__cft__[0]=AZXVa3G5jStTgpPO2Hbed-hQ1Dn7-3_8JOum7zBgCBplwYALU8JNwmr8eIJkFpF_qC_xrqB6NleVh0VmARPiX1QochZQ8Rg-2Cs15lbx1JC9MFNtI9FYHo61DLf5g6lYPKZHQl9S3OcvZwYvSOFI7DbPxlyFytKFSUFAwLAMJMYhQGkNM5aPz8SEa7ep2X5Cuo8&__tn__=-UC%2CP-R> David Kiesling <https://www.facebook.com/groups/168637333152985/user/100000432357353/?__cft__[0]=AZXVa3G5jStTgpPO2Hbed-hQ1Dn7-3_8JOum7zBgCBplwYALU8JNwmr8eIJkFpF_qC_xrqB6NleVh0VmARPiX1QochZQ8Rg-2Cs15lbx1JC9MFNtI9FYHo61DLf5g6lYPKZHQl9S3OcvZwYvSOFI7DbPxlyFytKFSUFAwLAMJMYhQGkNM5aPz8SEa7ep2X5Cuo8&__tn__=%2CP-R> · <https://www.facebook.com/?__cft__[0]=AZXVa3G5jStTgpPO2Hbed-hQ1Dn7-3_8JOum7zBgCBplwYALU8JNwmr8eIJkFpF_qC_xrqB6NleVh0VmARPiX1QochZQ8Rg-2Cs15lbx1JC9MFNtI9FYHo61DLf5g6lYPKZHQl9S3OcvZwYvSOFI7DbPxlyFytKFSUFAwLAMJMYhQGkNM5aPz8SEa7ep2X5Cuo8&__tn__=%2CO%2CP-R#?aid> · <https://www.facebook.com/#> I keep talking to people who are unclear whether Wills Wing is fully operating yet, so here's a little info. Their old site hasn't been updated much, but they have been live for a few weeks at the new site www.willswing.com.mx <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.willswing.com.mx%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3p5QBT855eElLXRJicNFDAodeGemOkv2FA1H2-D3nXKly50xa5os89OhU&h=AT1B6_CcI5_eGxhhP3MXVMm981BTgnQw0DKhABc2PUWssefEH8IY5vH31svOhoCClCBr2fIASYM36hZqe5XcHjEmQJNvy3awW0vUkk_AMA8VGS8srwREk9HuqtjpFvpRtLtEG4JXwfkwQyGiJA&__tn__=-UK-R&c[0]=AT0tiTbG3VTxENhkN2Hp0qwVqpeqIKw_kkTEjA6T5yLbX3J8LuE3AZjMlShRVbJpEJEF91d9CYzTYlID5bjwSsHU_E3zdRLS4YU37ZTKd1Pxt0yLJLQPSWZZa_D6kszL5Qqg7904T4AcWJE22Yhq0DpBBuIc rA82tjXgzb6JgAy_J_RzXwNEolZaunAdQoYaqow7YFSLS-WilphAAyYCeb3HMlw> , and you can order everything from your local dealer. UPS package shipping from Mexico to the US I think is a manageable cost if it's for something expensive like a lot of parts, a short-packed Falcon, or a replacement sail. I have a large order of parts they're working on now. As far as other gliders, so far people I think have been mostly either visiting Valle to pick them up or having someone else get them.     --   Rob

chris toomey <ctoo...@yahoo.com>: Mar 13 04:47PM -0400 Looking for an excuse to go to Valle de Bravo?? I just saw today ( social media) that they are building U2’s again …..   Sent from my iPhone

Back to top

You received this digest because you're subscribed to updates for this group. You can change your settings on the group membership page. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send an email to rochesterareafl...@googlegroups.com.

[Robert Slebodnik]

Kyle,

Welcome and good luck with your lessons in Santa Barbara.  I look forward to meeting you and to flying with you.

As to your question about hike and fly in the Adirondacks:  I am not sure what the Adirondack Park Agency's stance is on paragliding in the park. It might be worth a call to them.  I have often wondered about hike and fly there, but have not looked into it further as LZ options in a reasonable flying distance (~1 mile) from the top of most of the peaks are probably very few as you may have noticed when you stand on one of the peaks.  The undeveloped parts of the part are pretty much dense forests. Also, since there has probably not been any PG flying in the park (I know of no flying club within the park), I would guess that no one has developed any site guides for any launch sites there.  Site guides usually note items to be aware of such as what are flyable conditions for that site and issues that could cause accidents (e.g. known areas where rotor occurs, etc.).  These guides are usually developed over time based on hundreds of flights from a particular launch site.  You can see the site guides for the RAF launch sites on the RAF website. 

Your question is an interesting one, and I would be interested if anyone has explored this topic.  Listing a question on the Paragliding Forum might be a good place to start.

Best wishes,

Bob Slebodnik

To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rochesterareaflyers/1790552657.3517442.1678755312977%40mail.yahoo.com.

[Kyle Barbour]

Bob,

 

Thanks for this email, really appreciate it! Looking forward to meeting and flying with you as well.

 

I did find these articles about an Ontarioan who speedflew Colden:

 

https://www.adirondackdailyenterprise.com/news/local-news/2018/09/man-flies-off-mount-colden-lives/

https://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/news/story/37049/20180919/tri-lakes-takes-a-rapid-descent-from-mount-colden

 

They say that it's legal - they reported talking to the DEC to confirm. Apparently it's super uncommon, I haven't seen any reports of anyone other than this guy even trying, and he was speedflying rather than paragliding. The landing areas definitely seem like a huge barrier and the issues of rotor and other hazards being undocumented make it seem like it would definitely be adventurous to start doing. For landing areas, I can't help but imagine using frozen lakes in the winter. I'm obviously way way way too new - haven't even flown yet! - to consider opening new flying sites. Hoping to build up to hike and fly and vol biv gradually and safely over time.

 

I don't know if it's even possible in the Adirondacks. Maybe there's something about the weather conditions that make it super unfavorable there, I'm not sure. Or maybe it's the lack of good LZs. People must have considered it, so I assume there's good reasons it's not happening.

 

Once I'm more in the sport I'll definitely be asking around more!

 

Kyle

 

 

To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rochesterareaflyers/CAFGRrqojfwH2V08YCoXO-ckt9bZ7V4%2BGDHB9QroyGZhouZ-uyw%40mail.gmail.com.

[pumpkinfarmer7]

I live near the Adirondacks and would be interested in beginning a club with other pilots who want to fly in these mountains!

To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rochesterareaflyers/2134048084.740002.1679024150222%40office.mailbox.org.