Am I the only one who sees the injustice in this?

[Capt Pervy]

The fact that the son stopped his dad from killing the "rapist" tells me that this was a mutual consensual loving relationship between the two boys. Anyone with two brain cells can see it. That, coupled with the blatant fact that the local police, including the police chief, are obviously dealing out their own brand of "justice" instead of letting the local District Attorney make the decision to prosecute or not, tells me that they have an obvious prejudice and that they think that they don't need a judge or jury to prosecute "child rapists". OK so I've ranted on long enough. Here's the articles along with source links.





 

'My son saved his attacker's life': Father who brutally beat teen he caught raping his son, 11, reveals it was only his boy's pleas that saved the pedophile from death as he says his family refuse to hide

• Jason Browning, 35, shockingly admits he would have killed Raymond Frolander, 18, if not for his son stopping him
• Mr Browning beat Frolander unconscious after walking in on the pervert performing a sex act on his son while naked
• 'I just snapped,' he admitted after the beating at his Florida home - he will not be charged with any crime for his actions
• Frolander admitted to police he has been molesting the boy for three years and was charged with sexual battery on a child under 12
• The father created a Gofundme donations page asking for $1million for his son - but later took it down
• Frolander lived next door to 11-year-old and his father with the victim's biological mother. The suspect's stepmother is engaged to victim's father

The father who beat a man he allegedly caught performing a sex act on his 11-year-old son has admitted that it was only his son's pleas which stopped him from killing the admitted pervert.

Jason Browning said he was going to stab Raymond Frolander, 18, to death after he beat him unconscious but that his son stood up and stopped him from killing the man.

Frolander later admitted to Florida police that he has been molesting the boy for three years.

'I was going to kill him': Jason Browning says his son saved the life of a man who had been molesting the 11-year-old since he was just eight

'My son is the one who stepped in front of me and stopped me. My son saved his attackers life, so who's really the hero in this situation?' the father asked WKMG outside the Daytona beach courthouse shortly after Frolander's first court appearance.

Browning admitted he 'just snapped' when he walked in on Frolander naked with his son. Shortly after beating the teen into a coma, he went to the kitchen and grabbed a knife, he said.

'I was going to kill him,' said Browning.

Frolander was considered family by the Brownings and often spent time with the 11-year-old boy, the father said.

'There was nothing uncommon to let the kids go in the bedroom and play video games together and now I have to wonder why the door was shut,' Mr Browning said.

The father's outrage comes from being molested himself as a child at a foster home in California. He said beating Frolander was the easy part and much harder days lie ahead.

'I'm not going to pressure anything on him,' Mr Browning said. 'I know exactly what he's going through, when he's ready to talk about it, he will.'

Police defended Mr Browning's actions but later criticized him for creating a Gofundme page asking for $1million in donations.

Initially entitled 'Rebuilding Innocence', the fundraising page featured a picture of a sleeping boy and linked the site to his Facebook profile, according to News-Journal Online.

Mr Browning wrote: 'We are reaching out to anyone that can help. Our son was sexualy (sic) assaulted and we are now faced with the challenge of picking up the pieces, the emotional and financial burden is about more than we can endure.. Please.. Anything helps.. God bless and be with you all.'

Father and son: Browning and his 11-year-old son, who police said Frolander admitted to molesting for three years before the father pummeled him and called 911 to ask for an ambulance

By Monday evening, $145 had been donated but the picture of the sleeping boy was removed. The headline became 'Help Restore My Son’s Innocence' and the amount of money being asked for dropped to $100,000.

The Gofundme page appeared to have been taken down from the charity site by Tuesday.

Police Chief Mike Chitwood said he was sad to learn of the father's attempt to make money out of the situation.

He told MailOnline on Tuesday: 'It was brought to my attention and I have to say I was pretty shocked.

'The police, investigators and prosecutors go to great lengths to protect victims of sexual abuse. I'm sure his [Mr Browning's] intentions are in the right place but this is not good for the young man's recovery.'

Chief Chitwood also said that he had hundreds of emails relating to the case, many from victims of sexual abuse and their families.

He said: 'Many of them said that they wished someone - a father, mother, big brother - had walked in when it was happening to them.'

Beaten down: Raymond Frolander was barely recognizable in his first court appearance after the savage pounding

Raymond Frolander, 18, was treated at hospital before being taken to the closest police station, and his still-swollen face was evident from the beating he received only days ago.

Frolander, still covered in bruises and with a swollen face, pleaded not guilty to sexual battery on a child after he admitted to molesting the boy for years.

The father has not been charged with a crime and police appeared to understand his reaction.

'Dad was acting like a dad. I don't see anything we should charge the dad with,' Daytona Beach Police Chief Mike Chitwood told WFTS.

'You have an 18-year-old who has clearly picked his target, groomed his target and had sex with the victim multiple times.'

A subsequent mugshot showed that Frolander had been badly beaten around the face, leaving him with swollen lips and eyes, bruising and lacerations.

Raymond Frolander, 18, (pictured in his mugshot) was beaten to a pulp by the father of the 11-year-old boy that he allegedly caught his sexually assaulting at a home in Daytona Beach, Florida

When the 911 responder asked the father if any weapons were involved, he said: 'My foot and my fist'.

The 35-year-old man, who has not been identified, told a 911 dispatcher in the early hours of Friday: 'I just walked in on a grown man molesting [name redacted]. And I got him in a bloody puddle for you right now, officer.'

Police arrived at the Daytona Beach home in Florida to find Frolander unconscious.

'He is nice and knocked out on the floor for you, I dragged him into the living room,' the father said. 'Send an ambulance. He is going to need one.'

The dispatcher asked: 'Is he still unconscious?' to which the father responds: 'Yes... I hit hard, sir.'

He said that Frolander was a 'damn lucky boy that I love my God'.

The father added: 'He stood up and his pants were around his ankles and nothing else needed to be said. I did whatever I got a right to do except I didn’t kill him.'

The father had left his home around 1am to pick up some food and when he returned, heard a strange noise coming from the bedroom, police said.

He pushed open the door and allegedly found Frolander with his pants down performing a sex act on the child.

Frolander, 18, admitted to the abuse on the 11-year-old, according to his arrest affidavit. He is being held without bail on charges of sexual battery

The boy told investigators he had been playing video games with friends but when they left, Frolander took him to a back room and pulled down his pants. He also said Frolander had been abusing him for three years.

Daytona Beach police chief Michael Chitwood told MailOnline today that Frolander had a close family connection to the alleged victim.

Today the chief said he believed that Frolander lived next door to the boy and his father. The suspect was living with the victim's biological mother. Frolander's stepmother is also engaged to the victim's father.

The police chief said the young boy was intimidated and told by Frolander that terrible things would happen if he revealed the abuse.

Chief Chitwood said: 'He's 11 years old, he should be running around outside and playing video games, not dealing with something like this.'

The father was not charged in the suspect’s beating, police spokesman Jimmie Flynt said.

Frolander was taken to Halifax Heath Medical Center where he was treated for his injuries.

The arrest affidavit said that Frolander admitted the abuse.

The teen was charged with sexual battery on a child under 12 and is being held without bail. It was not known whether he's hired a lawyer.

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... death.html

Daytona Beach dad speaks out after attacking son's alleged abuser

Father beat man unconscious after he says he found him sexually abusing boy

The Volusia County father who beat up an 18-year-old who he says sexually abused his 11-year-old son says he doesn't want his family to hide what they have been through.

Jason Browning says he has been the victim of sexual abuse and says he wanted to kill Jason Frolander when he allegedly caught him naked with his son.

Browning says not only did he beat him, he went to the kitchen and grabbed a knife.

"My son is the one who stepped in front of me and stopped me. My son saved his attackers life, so who's really the hero in this situation?" he said.

Browning says Frolander was like family, and it was not unsual for him to be alone with his kids.

"There was nothing uncommon to let the kids go in the bedroom and play video games together and now I have to wonder why the door was shut," Browning said.

Browning says he too was victimized as a child. He says stopping the attack was the easy part, talking to his son about it has been much more difficult.

"I'm not going to pressure anything on him, like I said i know exactly what he's going through, when he's ready to talk about it, he will," he said.

Frolander is behind bars in the Volusia County jail.

Source: http://www.clickorlando.com/news/dayton ... r/27075404

Daytona Beach father who beat up rape suspect asked for donations

DAYTONA BEACH — The father who pummeled an 18-year-old man police say was sexually battering his son put his son’s picture on social media Monday and initially asked for $1 million in donations to help rebuild the child’s life.

“Rebuilding Innocence” was the headline atop a picture of a sleeping boy on a website called gofundme.com. The father posted a link to the website on his Facebook page.

A few hours after the original Facebook post Monday, however, the son’s picture was removed from the gofundme page. More description was added and the headline was changed to “Help Restore My Son’s Innocence.” And by 9 p.m. Monday, the father had pulled down the page and removed the donation campaign link from his Facebook page. It was removed after the father reduced the initial $1 million request to $100,000 and donors had contributed $145.

“We are reaching out to anyone that can help. Our son was sexualy (sic) assaulted and we are now faced with the challenge of picking up the pieces, the emotional and financial burden is about more than we can endure.. Please. Anything helps.. God bless and be with you all..” the father had written in the original plea.

Police Chief Mike Chitwood was dumbfounded Monday when he learned that the youngster’s father had posted the child’s photograph on Facebook and that he was asking for funds.

“It’s sad,” the chief said. “You don’t go out and exploit what happened to this young man (the son) for money.”

Chitwood explained how investigators and mental health officials who work with victims of sexual abuse strive to protect their identities.

“This is unbelievable,” Chitwood said. “The stigma that goes with being sexually abused is terrible.”

The 11-year-old rape victim’s father gained international attention overnight after the story of him beating Raymond Frolander was published Friday. Along with a jail photo of Frolander’s bloody and swollen face, the father’s pronouncement to a dispatcher in a 9-1-1 call that he knocked his son’s attacker cold has attracted worldwide interest.

“I just walked in on a grown man molesting ...,” the upset father told a dispatcher. “And I got him in a bloody puddle for you officer.”

Daytona Beach police said the 35-year-old father — The News-Journal is not publicizing his name so that his son’s identity is not revealed — discovered Frolander and his son early Saturday when he returned to his Daytona Beach apartment after going out to get food, police said.

After the beating, the father dragged Frolander out to his living room and called authorities.

A dismayed Chitwood said he had received emails from all over the world, not just from media outlets, but also from sexual abuse victims who told him that they wished someone had defended them when they were being abused.

While Chitwood spoke positively of the father this past weekend, he was disappointed on Monday with the man’s actions on social media.

The chief said the child told investigators that Frolander had been abusing him since he was 8 years old. The suspect, charged with sexual battery by an 18-year-old on a person under 12, confessed to police. Frolander also told detectives that he, too, had been sexually abused when he was a child at a foster home in California, Chitwood said.

But the story gets even more complex.

Police said Frolander was living in an apartment next to the boy and his father. The suspect, police said, was rooming with the rape victim’s biological mother. Additionally, Frolander’s stepmother is engaged to the rape victim’s father, the chief said. The stepmother was married at one time to Frolander’s biological father.

Frolander’s biological father meanwhile, Mariano Estrella of California, said Monday that Frolander has had behavioral issues since he was a child.

Estrella said he and his ex-wife, who is not being identified to protect the identity of the victim, have three daughters together. He’s afraid the sexual abuse ordeal will cause additional trouble for them and worries it will get them evicted from their apartment.

Estrella wanted Frolander to stay with him in California, but he and the suspect were not getting along. As a result, Estrella said his ex-wife told him that he could send Frolander to Florida and that she and her fiance would try to help him. The suspect’s surname comes from his biological mother, Charity Frolander, also of California.

“I was against the Florida move,” Estrella said Monday in a telephone interview with The Daytona Beach-News-Journal. “He and I came to an impasse about his behavioral issues.”

Without being specific, Estrella said he had concerns about Frolander being left with children.

“There were indications that something was awry with my son,” he said.

Chitwood, meanwhile, said Frolander’s stepmother and her children are being evicted from their Daytona Beach apartment complex, but the eviction is not related to the Frolander incident. On Monday, a relative of the rape victim’s father followed suit and also posted a plea for cash on the gofundme website to help the stepmother move. She is asking for $2,500 and had collected $65.

Source: http://www.news-journalonline.com/artic ... ?p=1&tc=pg

[Loveboy Rob]

Thanks for sharing that Capt. I will reserve judgment if the boy was okay with it all, I mean 11 years-old and all. In todays world that equates to age 13 -14intellectually. I think that the boy stopped dad speaks for itself. And DAD trying to cash in on it all?  hahaha, amazing.  laughable even (maybe). Umm, yes, I'll leave it at that.

[robbd...@gmail.com]

I was discussing this subject with shall we say an like minded friend last night on kik, and basically he had sent me a vid of an obviously young kid being fucked by a "coloured gentleman who to say the least was rather well endowed"

We both wondered if the kid was happy, we could not hear any crying etc but it made us think, I personally have always said that i would never (and never have) FORCED a boy to do anything, I always ensured he was happy for me to carry on and if they ever said STOP, I did, the fact that each one came back again to me, showed that caring is better than thinking, I cant stop now and doing them whether they accepted it or not.

Now in this case it seems that the "abuse"if you call it that, been going on for THREE YEARS, which sort of gives me the impression that yes the kid did enjoy it he was probably receiving love and affection that his old man was NOT giving him.  hence wanting to protect the one person that cared for him.

[ctho...@att.net]

Captain, Rob and other members of the forum. I have to agree that there is something major wrong in how to story is being told. I would like to hear an interview with the son. The family seems to be dysfunction on many levels. Until attitudes changes in a major way in the society at large there will continued to be the knee jerk reaction. I am of the mind that nothing excuses the father from the assault on the supposed molester.  We will never get pass the prejudice until we first get pass the hysteria. We have perhaps a million or more homeless children in America. We need to seriously ask why, whether run always from abuse and just plain abandonment. Personally, I have rescued 8 boys from desperate situations, street violence, drugs and/or prostitution. I have to report that those into prostitution are for the most as abused physically and mentally leaving the out sexual aspects because unfortunately the john abusers are into boys/young teens it is difficult to separate them from us. (BL) Regardless we have a long long way to go.  I have little hope that America will lead the way given the radiation of the right wing Republican party. Public records seem to suggest that that group have large numbers of public scandals related to both boys and girls. I have a major list of those abusers in my files from the public records.

Rob, help I am losing my mind. It is  too early(5:00AM) and I sincerely hope my response is clear. Thanks to Caption for his interest and participation here.

[sailor...@aol.com]

its a fine line between abuse and love

[robbd...@gmail.com]

I think this is by far the biggest hurdle we have, people read or hear of the Peds who grab and rape young boys and automatically we are classed the same, It is the same the World over the old story of One Bad Apple tainting the whole barrel

[Capt Pervy]

The prejudices that people have against us is the thing that pisses me off the most. From earliest childhood they're taught the differences between "good touch bad touch" and other propaganda shit like "stranger danger". What they fail to realize is there are boys out there that want to be that close to a man. That are completely able to make up their own mind about what they want in the bedroom and who they want in the bedroom with them. With that said, if history is any indication, the only way I can think of to get beyond these prejudices is through education. Knock down the hysteria and the preconceived notions that all we want to do is get in Johny's pants. That if Junior has a sexual relationship with a man then that must mean that their son is "gay". That if they arrest one "pedophile" or a group of them, then that automatically makes the "problem" go away. Until these ideals are changed in the view of the general public NOTHING will change. Using literature and media would be the fastest way to change minds, of course, but finding someone to publish the literature, or to air the media, is going to be a huge challenge. It would take a situation through which someone who knows someone who knows someone, etc.

I'll give you a prime example of the prejudices that I'm talking about. I have a friend that used to work for Child Protective Services. He had a young friend, who was 13 at the time, that has problems that my friend met through his work. One of the problems this young man has is lying, and honestly not knowing that what he's saying at the time is a lie. I don't remember what the actual clinical name is for this condition, so please don't ask. Anyhow, this young man ended up at my friends place and spending the night. The young man on the couch and my friend in his bed. Sometime in the middle of the night, the boy ended up in my friend's bed despite my friends repeated requests for him to go back to the couch. Finally, after a lengthy argument, my friend gave in and even went through great lengths to make sure nothing happened between them. One of them slept under the covers while the other slept on top of them so there was never any actual physical touching. Fast forward a couple of weeks and my friend finds himself in his bosses office, and his boss informing my friend that the boy has filed a complaint with the local prosecutors office stating that my friend forced the boy to perform oral sex on him. My friend's place was searched, nothing was found. My friend was questioned at great length by the very people he used to work with, and once again nothing was found. His computer at work and at home were both searched, and once again you guessed it, nothing was found. For all intensive purposes, there was NO REASON to pursue this further and take it to court. The prosecutor did anyway, with NO evidence and the only thing the prosecutor had to go on was the word of the boy against the word of my friend. A jury was seated, the trial proceeded, the facts were brought before the jury, including the disorder the young man has about lying and not knowing that he's lying. The fact that the boy went to sleep on the couch and ended up in my friend's bed despite his repeated requests that the boy to back to the couch. The fact that there was never any physical touching between them while in bed. The fact that NO EVIDENCE was ever found that would point the finger at my friend. Despite all those facts, my friend was found guilty, and is now in prison...FOR LIFE! NO possibility of parole...EVER! THAT is what the prejudice that people have against us does. Until it changes, more people will end up in prison, DESPITE whether there is evidence or not. DESPITE whether or not there is nothing to back up the complaint filed with the prosecutor.

[Loveboy Rob]

In psychiatry, pathological lying (also called compulsive lying, pseudologia fantastica and mythomania) is a behavior of habitual or compulsive lying.^[1][2] It was first described in the medical literature in 1891 by Anton Delbrueck.^[2] Although it is a controversial topic,^[2] pathological lying has been defined as "falsification entirely disproportionate to any discernible end in view, may be extensive and very complicated, and may manifest over a period of years or even a lifetime".^[1] The individual may be aware they are lying, or may believe they are telling the truth, being unaware that they are relating fantasies.  (Wikapidia)

 

My first question is why was the boy sleeping overnight in the first place, their relationship was clinical - not social. Second question, did the man have any past scrapes with the law? And lastly, is he openly gay? The latter could very well influence a homophobic prosecutor and hence, a stacked jury of homophobes. I communicate with a man in a southern prison (my emails to him intercepted by friend of his and mailed to him, and he writes to me long-handed letters ( no access to computers) via the same third-party messenger. Chuck,  30 years-old then, was caught in  a circle jerk with two 13 year-old boys --one who testified on his behalf that he invited Chuck to join him and his buddy seeing no issues with it. Chuck got 20 years, a few more to go before freedom (and even that word "freedom," is crock of shit, men never stop paying for their indiscretions labelled as a sex offender until the day they die). I do not like the american judicial system where judges are god-like with absolutely no boundaries imposing sentencing. The exact same circumstance case could (and has) gone on in other jurisdictions where the judges rule half the time in prison. Here, sentencing is based on precedents set by judges and averaged out to a "minimum - maximum" set of guidelines. So, a judge can't have a bad day and take it out on you, or simply not like your face. Of course, the first, second, third offence all have their own increased penalties (I use penalties because there is no "REHABILITATION" for a boy-lover ... what is there to rehabilitate? Fuck, twenty years in jail would turn me into a rapist on my first day released! hahah) We are what we are, a sexual preference no different from men who like fat women, big tits, small tits --and I don't believe for a second that any "str8" man hasn't thought about young girls and WOULD fuck them in a second if the opportunity arose. Men have to be much more careful with girls, they DO tell and they DO swell, and they're not as horny as boys with a willingness to explore ... a boy trait (gotta love that in the little devils. Mother nature is at fault for giving them the tools and the will to use them so early before age-of-consent, creating laws imposed defying the Ole' Lady's better judgement of human nature.

 

Back to the gist of our conversation, even if your friend was exonerated of the charges, the damage had been done, I've seen it much too often. He would have lost his job, probably career (newspapers love this shit) friends, family and spent thousands on lawyers breaking the bank for him. Not saying he is better off in jail, but he would have lived a life in prison without bars every day after his case was dropped. There is an old analogy that I can't recall the origin of it. But a woman known for her gossip was told by her priest to climb to her roof with a feather pillow and a knife, slice the pillow open and let the wind carry the feathers to wherever may be. The next day she appeared as told by the priest and he instructed her to go about and collect every feather. She returned with a handful claiming the task was impossible. The priest smiled and said, "just like rumors are freely in the wind, not all can be taken back when the rumor proves false,"   I love that (probably used it here before) but it speaks volumes about how so many people don't hear the end result of rumors proved false. Topping off people's attitudes is if the law sees smoke, there must have been fire because the law can't ever be wrong, a good lawyer must have got him off on a technicality. Trust me, I've HEARD that before, their minds are closed forever.  We can only hope that boy comes forward one day and admits his wrong doing. However, who knows how much the kid knows about it all and the repercussions of his lies. 

[ctho...@att.net]

Rob, and forum members. I really hate having to response to this situation. Example, I am retired so I spend a lot of time on comments after a new article. I am amazed and sickened by the extend that people response in the extreme with less or no regard for truth let alone the facts. Free Speech is worthless if we have lost all regard for both facts and truth let alone Justice. We, Americans seem more and more come to feel that each individual is a majority of one, that I THINK IT SO THEREFORE IT IS TRUTH. It is little wonder that our young people cannot tell the difference. Gentlemen, I wish I could offer SOME HOPE for our concerns.

[Loveboy Rob]

As you guys know, I do extensive research in this topic, more of a frustrating hobby than becoming an activist for the cause. It's wider and deeper than you will ever guess, my good friends. Not much shocks me, but what I have learned lately blows me away. The internet is full of information and links to other sources of information on who's who in the zoo of rich and powerful men globally practising what the preach is a sin. However, there is one group of esteemed players who formed PIE (pedophile information exchange), even women are founders. Their goal is to have society wake up to the times of the newest sexual revolution and freedom of sexual choice. Pedophile is being removed from the American Psychiatric journal as homosexuality was taken off the books as a mental disorder. So I dug deeper into PIE, found the directors to be politicians (mostly British labour party members). PIE's mistake in my  opinion, and surely losing it's credibility even if they managed to initially start to  gain attention ... they promote the age of consent to a mere 4 (YES, FOUR) years old. Their agenda also includes legalizing incest. One topic that I also disagree on is freedom of art by way of pornography as long as the child is not harmed in the process, proof of such would have to be evident. Now, I'm not sure I want these well intended folk speaking on our behalf. To be they are taking us farther back in time. Unfortunately, they might have got the ball rolling on snail pace changes to the laws, too bad they fucked it all up as Nambla did, no set agenda, too many factions going in a different direction with their own agendas, and certain failure. Many of the members have been rounded up and charges with a law very seldom implemented, exact term fails me but, "Attempt to Corrupt Societal Morals." A direct insult to the constitutional right of freedom of speech. NOT IN OUR LIFETIME GUYS will we never see a spark of change. OH how I love writing my latest book, "Hypocrites with Power," based on so much on fact. I wish I could name names in the process. One has to be skeptical of rumors, but when you see the same name named in so many publications ... where there is smoke, there is fire. I would end up accidently falling the 34 floors from my balcony. hahaha.

[Capt Pervy]

At Rob. The reason the boy was sleeping over was for a clinical reason believe it or not. You see, my friend became responsible for transporting the boy to and from his weekly therapy sessions, and this particular session was to take place early the next morning. So, out of convenience, and because of the fact that my friend worked FOR child protective services, no one thought anything about it if the boy slept over so that they could get an early start to his therapy appointment. You have to understand, this isn't a big city we're talking about, so resources are somewhat limited. My friend never had any "scrapes with the law" because if he had he wouldn't have been able to work with CPS, they do extensive background checks for obvious reasons. My friend is somewhat feminine, but also a God fearing Christian, and for that reason alone I seriously doubt that he was or is gay. Did the prosecutor/judge/jury read something into his being feminine? Who knows. I suppose it's possible, but I've had other friends that you might call feminine that have an outright hatred for gays, so it just goes to show that you can't always judge a person by the way the speak/carry/or handle themselves.


At ctho. I'm not quite sure who your last comment was directed towards, so if I misinterpreted it then I apologize. That said, I can assure you that what I said about my friend is true and did happen. On the flip side of that coin, to provide proof that it's true is to provide information about my location. As I stated above to Rob, we're talking small town here, not big city. And since this forum is open to anyone, friendly to us or not, to come in, read what we post here, and potentially find out our locations by what we say here, I would prefer not to give out that proof of what I'm saying is true. Call me paranoid, but I my goal in life is not to be on anyone's "watch list". Although I'm sure they can find our I.P. addresses via google and track us that way if they really wanted to. Even though, I certainly don't want to make it easy for the fuckers. :)

[Loveboy Rob]

I deleted the last two comments made. It was a misunderstanding is all, but I'm glad the air was cleared and we can laugh about it. See what happens when people aren't face to face in conversation? Sometimes printed words are misconstrued. haha, I have made what I thought was a joke a few times and pissed off the other party. Wrotong lacks the tone of voice, the gestures be it facial or hand language. 

 

I feel awful for your friend, Capt. What a travesty of the legal system in ruining a man's life not to mention the expense of incarceration on the public when in fact, he should be a tax paying contributor to society. I wasn't going to say this but I will, haha, I wouldn't doubt that the judge isn't a member in good standing of one of many elite pedo rings across the country, untouchable and safe from exposure. Your friend may have been used as a pawn in keeping the good judge's image intact in front of joe-public. My BF told me today that I'm getting to be obsessed with this shit, and he is right. The more stones I turn the more the ugly truth is revealed. One thing it has given me is that there is nothing wrong mentally with me for loving boys, no self-hate, shame, or guilt. I've never beaten a boy, practised S&M, gang-banged, kidnapped, murdered or wish to see one sacrificed on an altar on a bed of fire as is reported the Bohemian Grove patrons do as well as a few other spin-off sects.around the world and across N. America.. There is far too much evidence from so many different sources to disregard all as rumors. Much too bad these powerful men couldn't relax the laws that they so arrogantly and hypocritically break.

[robbd...@gmail.com]

Reading the original story stirred so many memories and to be honest I felt sick as it is so near what happened to me.

I was at the time a Lawn Bowls Coach I had junior coaching sessions with upwards of 30 kids twice a week, condensing a long story somewhat, one Family joined,the sessions, the boy about 9 the girl 12, they were actually known in the area as the previous year their father had been killed in a car accident, anyway I became friends with them, feeling sorry for them I suppose, and their Mother, they used to visit our House, have meals with us and in fact the kids called me Grandad . I  had even bought both of them a set of bowls for their Xmas. and they had been for Xmas tea.

3 weeks later 08-30am on a Friday morning a knock on my door, and there stood THREE female Police detectives, who informed me they had come to arrest me on suspicion of GROOMING a child for sex. in this case the young girl? (little did they realize girls were furthest from any sexual thoughts i may have  harboured.)

They searched my house. the attic,  you name it they looked, they took Photographs off the wall of my Grand daughters, took my Desk top and lap top and ME, I was put in a cell and held for 4 hours, till my Solicitor got out of court (No drink NO food nothing)

I was then interviewed for some 3 hours I did get ONE cup of coffee, then released on bail,I was told that I could make my own way home despite being some 40 miles away, no Phone, no money nothing,thankfully my solicitor got his car and brought me back. I had to resign from my position as Coach I was also a Welsh Bowls selector, and was ASKED  to retire from that,  people who I classed as friends from the Bowling circles, crossed the street to avoid me, I attended the Police station once a month for SIX Months each time being told that they were still investigating, it seems they had interviewed EVERY single kid, boy and girl that I had ever coached over the previous 5 years, ALL of course backing me in every way as NOTHING had ever occurred, not one thing.

Eventually I received a phone call from  my Solicitor telling me that the DPP (Department of Public Prosecution) had thrown the case out as harassment, when I enquired why? it seems that one of the parents of one of the boys was miffed his son had not been selected for the Team and he had told the girls Mother that if she put in a complaint she could then claim CRIMINAL DAMAGES against me?.

Eventually nearly 9 months later I received a letter of apology from the Dyffed Powys Police stating that this should never have happened, also had a restraining order raised against this man and the Mother of the Girl?, 

BUT although totally innocent my life is ruined I can not longer take part in a sport I loved, because of the old adage of  "where there is smoke there is Fire" I am a virtual hermit Other than I walk my dogs in the woods near bye, I never go anywhere, I have  now sold my house and will be moving to another area at the end of this month.

This Man in the story has my utmost sympathy but I am afraid despite his innocence like me his hell is about to start.

[Loveboy Rob]

All I can say is WOW. Unbelievable, yet true. Why not sue the liars and the police?

[Capt Pervy]

I would imagine because they thought no one would believe them given the current prejudice mindset people have against us. But, here's a couple of stories I recently found that might be a small step in the right direction....

Court Tosses Man's Child Porn Conviction Over Illegal Government Surveilance

(Associated Press) SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- A federal appeals court has tossed out a man's child-pornography conviction and 18-year prison sentence because of illegal government surveillance.

The San Francisco-based 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled Friday that it was illegal for the U.S. Navy to use a high-powered software program to search private computers throughout the state of Washington for child pornography. The U.S. Department of Justice justified the search by arguing that the Navy investigator was searching for child pornography on military installations in Washington when he came across a private computer containing illegal images.

The three-judge 9th Circuit rejected that argument, ruling that the computer search violated a law barring the U.S. military from taking part in civilian law enforcement activities.

The case started in late 2010 when Naval Criminal Investigative Service agent Steve Logan began investigating, from his office in Georgia, the distribution of child pornography online. Logan used a software program called RoundUp to search computers in the state of Washington sharing child pornography on the Gnutella file-sharing network.

Logan found a computer with child porn images and turned over his findings to federal investigators. U.S. Department of Homeland Security agents obtained a search warrant and arrested and charged Michael Dreyer with possessing child pornography. A jury convicted Dreyer.

But Judge Marsha Berzon, writing for the 2-1 majority, said that the results of the government's search of computers in Washington can't be used to prosecute Logan. Berzon said Logan was permitted to search computers of active military personnel.

"But Agent Logan's search was not reasonably focused on carrying out such a legitimate military investigation," Berzon said.

Judge Diamurid O'Scannlain dissented. O'Scannlain said he saw "no justification for setting a convicted child pornographer free."

A Navy spokesman couldn't be reached for comment Saturday.

Source:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/1 ... 18256.html

(SMH) A Sydney judge has compared incest and paedophilia to homosexuality, saying the community may no longer see sexual contact between siblings and between adults and children as “unnatural” or “taboo”.

District Court Judge Garry Neilson said just as gay sex was socially unacceptable and criminal in the 1950s and 1960s but is now widely accepted, “a jury might find nothing untoward in the advance of a brother towards his sister once she had sexually matured, had sexual relationships with other men and was now ‘available’, not having [a] sexual partner”.

He also said the “only reason” that incest is still a crime is because of the high risk of genetic abnormalities in children born from consanguineous relationships “but even that falls away to an extent [because] there is such ease of contraception and readily access to abortion”.

Judge Neilson made the extraordinary and bizarre comments in the case of a 58-year-old man, known for legal reasons as MRM, who is charged with repeatedly raping his younger sister in the family’s western Sydney home in 1981.

The man had earlier pleaded guilty to sexually assaulting his sister when she was 10 or 11 years old in 1973 or 1974 after police recorded a telephone conversation between the siblings in July 2011 in which he admitted to having sexual contact with her when she was “a kid”.

But he has pleaded not guilty to the charge of sexual intercourse without consent, with an alternative charge of incest, regarding the 1981 events.

On April 7 a jury was empanelled and the Crown Prosecutor requested the jurors be told of the earlier misconduct to show MRM had a tendency to have a sexual interest in and have sexual intercourse with his sister.

The Crown argued that without the background information, the jury might find it hard to understand why MRM began raping his sister “out of the blue” and why she did not report it to her parents or police.

In the mid-1970s MRM had warned her not to tell their parents because they had just lost another son in a car crash and she remained fearful of upsetting her parents when the abuse recommenced in 1981.

But Judge Neilson refused to admit the evidence, saying the sexual abuse which had occurred when the girl was 10 or 11 and the youth was 17 occurred in a different context to the sex which happened when she was 18 and he was 26. By 1981, she had had sexual relationships with two men and had a young child.

“By that stage they are both mature adults. The complainant has been sexually awoken, shall we say, by having two relationships with men and she had become ‘free’ when the second relationship broke down,” Judge Neilson said.

“The only thing that might change that is the fact that they were a brother and sister but we’ve come a long way from the 1950s … when the position of the English Common Law was that sex outside marriage was not lawful.”

He went on to say incest only remains a crime “to prevent chromosomal abnormalities” but the availability of contraception and abortion now diminishes that reason.

“If this was the 50s and you had a jury of 12 men there, which is what you’d invariably have, they would say it’s unnatural for a man to be interested in another man or a man being interested in a boy. Those things have gone.”

On Tuesday Crown Prosecutor Sally Dowling SC asked the Court of Criminal Appeal to remit the case to a judge other than Judge Neilson because of the "misogynistic" attitude he displayed towards the complainant.

“These remarks in my submission are completely disgraceful,” Ms Dowling said.

"The reference to abortion is particularly repellent.”

Justices Arthur Emmett, Derek Price and Elizabeth Fullerton reserved their decision.

Adults Surviving Child Abuse president Dr Cathy Kezelman said: "To equate homosexuality, incest and the crime of child sexual assault is as ill-informed as it is outrageous. For it to be paraded by a Judge in Australia in 2014 during the time of the Royal Commission into Institutional Abuse, or at any time, is beyond belief. Literally thousands of survivors of child sexual abuse have given testimony before the commission of the decades of damage their abuse has caused," Dr Kezelman said.

"The relational betrayal of the horrors of incest between a brother and sister of any age is abhorrently criminal. Failure to understand that prior abuse disempowers the victim establishing the ground for future assaults is ignorant. This together with referring to a sibling as being sexually ‘free’ or ‘available’ demands strict censure."

Bravehearts founder Hetty Johnston called for Judge Neilson to step down from the bench for "ludicrous and obscene remarks".

"These comments are offensive to every child, every victim, every homosexual person in this country."

Ms Johnston also called on the case to be referred to the current Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse.

Source:
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/judge-compares-incest-and-paedophilia-to-past-attitudes-towards-homosexuality-claiming-they-might-not-be-taboo-anymore-20140709-zt0v2.html

[robbd...@gmail.com]

I actually considered doing this, BUT when I asked my lawyer he informed me that as soon as complaint is made, then the Police MUST investigate, I agreed, BUT why should I (at the time) a totally innocent man prior to investigation, be subjected to Finger printing, DNA, photographing and put in a cell for 4 hours? And then told afterwards that those fingerprints etc are now kept in File for evermore? Basically although I am totally exonerated and innocent of all charges, my details are kept on file and I am potentially classed as a criminal? It usd to be that a person was classed as innocent till proven guilty these days it is GUILTY till proven Innocent, and even then they have doubts?

Why should such as in my case, my Name be openly bandied about as a potential pedophile for all to see, YET those who made the claims FALSELY, are given anoninmity  and allowed to hide behind paperwork, whilst innocent peoples names are dragged through the mud, families are split, and people lose Jobs, lose hiomes etc and have to move where they are not known, Fucking ridiculous

[ctho...@att.net]

Interesting, thanks Capt. I have to find the article, but what I remember is that some countries in Europe, Portugal is one are considering lower the age of consent to 4 or 5 years old. The hang up seem to be should be parent or parents be involved in the younger ones being able to consent. I cannot imagine approaching a say father asking may I please have sex with your 4 year son. I can't seem to wrap my mind around that possibility.

[ctho...@att.net]

Any excuse to stick it to the accused. Oh, and Good Morning to all.

[Loveboy Rob]

Ahhhhh gentlemen, but if all a man  has to offer in debt is his young boy, as those second or third worlds do ... so be it!

[alessioc...@gmail.com]

Fucking pig,you and your friends aren't gay but a fucking pedophile, piece of shit. I'm a gay activist of 45 old and in all my life I refuse any type of contact with child or teen, having relationship with gbt with my same age. Shame on you and your fucking, pervy, friends, people like you must got to the jail not with the sex offender but inmate who hate kind of pedophile like you and your friends.

[lisa...@gmail.com]

Sex is not love. Any grown man who believes that a child understands the consequences of engaging in sex acts is a complete fucking idiot. Man boy love, is not about Love in any way. The correct definition is Man rape of boys. Men who dream of raping children and especially those who act out their personal mental sickness on innocent children, should expect no protection or mercy. I agree they should not be jailed. We shouldn’t have to pay to feed and house them. They have no place in society. They are predators and cannot be treated or cured. I don’t care about jail being punishment. Or making them suffer. They just need to be eliminated. Permanently removed from the world. It’s not about punishing them for their crimes, for which they feel no remorse. It’s about protecting our children. Their lives have no redeeming value. Death penalty is deserved. And any person, be it a parent or any person, who kills a pedophile, upon witnessing such a crime against a child or finding evidence of such, is justified in that act. That is justifiable homicide, in my opinion and in the opinion of the majority of those in our society. So tread lightly sickos. Is an orgasm worth your life? Because you should be aware if you victimize a child to achieve that orgasm, that it may cost you your life. And for every pedophile that is exterminated, multiple children will be spared from the sickening abuse, that affects their lives so adversely. And those who perform such a public service will be hailed as hero’s.

[14lee...@gmail.com]

Everyone here is sick out of your mind get help a quit defending a pedophile/molester who stopped his father so he would not  possibly go to jail for murder  anyone who is normal mentally could see that.

[habibe...@gmail.com]

Take a second, breath, your defending a borderline rapist

[bali...@gmail.com]

I see no harm in beating the dog shit out of an 18 year old who has been raping an 11 year old. Also see no harm in beating the dog shit out of idiots who want to play devil's advocate and try to see the injustice for the rapist. 8-11 year olds should have ZERO understanding of a loving sexual relationship and it's a shame that anyone has to remind you of this you sick fuck. There was no loving relationship, you jackass. There was a predator and his prey and he got caught. I'd have killed his ass and then you could be an advocate for dead rapists and paedophiles you twat

[colbert...@gmail.com]

Hey man I found this site looking up the story of that pedo getting beat. This is a fucking pedo site! . How the fuck do we report this?

[colbert...@gmail.com]

Dude look around this site page. This is a pedo page. How do we report it?

[ejo...@gmail.com]

I wanted to read about what happened to the rapist and somehow ended up reading a group of animals who should at the very least, be in prison. Why is this allowed?

[ejo...@gmail.com]

the "injustice" is that you sick freaks are allowed to breathe. None of you should be allowed to exist in ANY society.

[maximus bugati]

Your behavior is disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself. I hope you feel a sense of guilt and shame for grooming children who cannot give consent. There is a reason why the rape and molestation is illegal: you are physically violating and mentally damaging someone who cannot yet give consent to the irreparable damage you’re inflicting upon them. Countless studies show that molesting and sexually hurting children causes numerous issues with the child’s psychosocial development, their ability to interact with others sexually as an adult, and often result in the child committing SUICIDE when they’re older. I’ve worked with the victims (of people like you) who are forever changed by the irresponsibly selfish acts of sexual torture you scumbags inflict. The victims are forced to live with the scars of systemic abuse and psychological manipulation long proceeding their attacks. Get therapy. Stop what you’re doing. DONT HURT ANYONE WHO CANNOT KNOWINGLY CONSENT TO YOUR UNWANTED SEXUAL ADVANCES. There is no good reason why an adult should have sex with a child other than for the benefit of the child molester themselves. And any articles of “research” or “studies” you’ve read suggesting the contrary to the magnitude of psychological pain you fucks give is written by scumbags like you. You have no academics supporting your actions for a reason. Stop what you’re doing now and don’t make any more victims; or you WILL be seeing the paralegal results of your predatory activities. STOP RAPING CHILDREN. YOU CANNOT JUSTIFY RAPING CHILDREN.

On Saturday, September 6, 2014 at 1:31:59 PM UTC-4 capt....@gmail.com wrote:

The fact that the son stopped his dad from killing the "rapist" tells me that this was a mutual consensual loving relationship between the two boys. Anyone with two brain cells can see it. That, coupled with the blatant fact that the local police, including the police chief, are obviously dealing out their own brand of "justice" instead of letting the local District Attorney make the decision to prosecute or not, tells me that they have an obvious prejudice and that they think that they don't need a judge or jury to prosecute "child rapists". OK so I've ranted on long enough. Here's the articles along with source links.





 

'My son saved his attacker's life': Father who brutally beat teen he caught raping his son, 11, reveals it was only his boy's pleas that saved the pedophile from death as he says his family refuse to hide

• Jason Browning, 35, shockingly admits he would have killed Raymond Frolander, 18, if not for his son stopping him
• Mr Browning beat Frolander unconscious after walking in on the pervert performing a sex act on his son while naked
• 'I just snapped,' he admitted after the beating at his Florida home - he will not be charged with any crime for his actions
• Frolander admitted to police he has been molesting the boy for three years and was charged with sexual battery on a child under 12
• The father created a Gofundme donations page asking for $1million for his son - but later took it down
• Frolander lived next door to 11-year-old and his father with the victim's biological mother. The suspect's stepmother is engaged to victim's father

The father who beat a man he allegedly caught performing a sex act on his 11-year-old son has admitted that it was only his son's pleas which stopped him from killing the admitted pervert.

Jason Browning said he was going to stab Raymond Frolander, 18, to death after he beat him unconscious but that his son stood up and stopped him from killing the man.

Frolander later admitted to Florida police that he has been molesting the boy for three years.

'I was going to kill him': Jason Browning says his son saved the life of a man who had been molesting the 11-year-old since he was just eight

'My son is the one who stepped in front of me and stopped me. My son saved his attackers life, so who's really the hero in this situation?' the father asked WKMG outside the Daytona beach courthouse shortly after Frolander's first court appearance.

Browning admitted he 'just snapped' when he walked in on Frolander naked with his son. Shortly after beating the teen into a coma, he went to the kitchen and grabbed a knife, he said.

'I was going to kill him,' said Browning.

Frolander was considered family by the Brownings and often spent time with the 11-year-old boy, the father said.

'There was nothing uncommon to let the kids go in the bedroom and play video games together and now I have to wonder why the door was shut,' Mr Browning said.

The father's outrage comes from being molested himself as a child at a foster home in California. He said beating Frolander was the easy part and much harder days lie ahead.

'I'm not going to pressure anything on him,' Mr Browning said. 'I know exactly what he's going through, when he's ready to talk about it, he will.'

Police defended Mr Browning's actions but later criticized him for creating a Gofundme page asking for $1million in donations.

Initially entitled 'Rebuilding Innocence', the fundraising page featured a picture of a sleeping boy and linked the site to his Facebook profile, according to News-Journal Online.

Mr Browning wrote: 'We are reaching out to anyone that can help. Our son was sexualy (sic) assaulted and we are now faced with the challenge of picking up the pieces, the emotional and financial burden is about more than we can endure.. Please.. Anything helps.. God bless and be with you all.'

Father and son: Browning and his 11-year-old son, who police said Frolander admitted to molesting for three years before the father pummeled him and called 911 to ask for an ambulance

By Monday evening, $145 had been donated but the picture of the sleeping boy was removed. The headline became 'Help Restore My Son’s Innocence' and the amount of money being asked for dropped to $100,000.

The Gofundme page appeared to have been taken down from the charity site by Tuesday.

Police Chief Mike Chitwood said he was sad to learn of the father's attempt to make money out of the situation.

He told MailOnline on Tuesday: 'It was brought to my attention and I have to say I was pretty shocked.

'The police, investigators and prosecutors go to great lengths to protect victims of sexual abuse. I'm sure his [Mr Browning's] intentions are in the right place but this is not good for the young man's recovery.'

Chief Chitwood also said that he had hundreds of emails relating to the case, many from victims of sexual abuse and their families.

He said: 'Many of them said that they wished someone - a father, mother, big brother - had walked in when it was happening to them.'

Beaten down: Raymond Frolander was barely recognizable in his first court appearance after the savage pounding

Raymond Frolander, 18, was treated at hospital before being taken to the closest police station, and his still-swollen face was evident from the beating he received only days ago.

Frolander, still covered in bruises and with a swollen face, pleaded not guilty to sexual battery on a child after he admitted to molesting the boy for years.

The father has not been charged with a crime and police appeared to understand his reaction.

'Dad was acting like a dad. I don't see anything we should charge the dad with,' Daytona Beach Police Chief Mike Chitwood told WFTS.

'You have an 18-year-old who has clearly picked his target, groomed his target and had sex with the victim multiple times.'

A subsequent mugshot showed that Frolander had been badly beaten around the face, leaving him with swollen lips and eyes, bruising and lacerations.

Raymond Frolander, 18, (pictured in his mugshot) was beaten to a pulp by the father of the 11-year-old boy that he allegedly caught his sexually assaulting at a home in Daytona Beach, Florida

When the 911 responder asked the father if any weapons were involved, he said: 'My foot and my fist'.

The 35-year-old man, who has not been identified, told a 911 dispatcher in the early hours of Friday: 'I just walked in on a grown man molesting [name redacted]. And I got him in a bloody puddle for you right now, officer.'

Police arrived at the Daytona Beach home in Florida to find Frolander unconscious.

'He is nice and knocked out on the floor for you, I dragged him into the living room,' the father said. 'Send an ambulance. He is going to need one.'

The dispatcher asked: 'Is he still unconscious?' to which the father responds: 'Yes... I hit hard, sir.'

He said that Frolander was a 'damn lucky boy that I love my God'.

The father added: 'He stood up and his pants were around his ankles and nothing else needed to be said. I did whatever I got a right to do except I didn’t kill him.'

The father had left his home around 1am to pick up some food and when he returned, heard a strange noise coming from the bedroom, police said.

He pushed open the door and allegedly found Frolander with his pants down performing a sex act on the child.

Frolander, 18, admitted to the abuse on the 11-year-old, according to his arrest affidavit. He is being held without bail on charges of sexual battery

The boy told investigators he had been playing video games with friends but when they left, Frolander took him to a back room and pulled down his pants. He also said Frolander had been abusing him for three years.

Daytona Beach police chief Michael Chitwood told MailOnline today that Frolander had a close family connection to the alleged victim.

Today the chief said he believed that Frolander lived next door to the boy and his father. The suspect was living with the victim's biological mother. Frolander's stepmother is also engaged to the victim's father.

The police chief said the young boy was intimidated and told by Frolander that terrible things would happen if he revealed the abuse.

Chief Chitwood said: 'He's 11 years old, he should be running around outside and playing video games, not dealing with something like this.'

The father was not charged in the suspect’s beating, police spokesman Jimmie Flynt said.

Frolander was taken to Halifax Heath Medical Center where he was treated for his injuries.

The arrest affidavit said that Frolander admitted the abuse.

The teen was charged with sexual battery on a child under 12 and is being held without bail. It was not known whether he's hired a lawyer.

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... death.html

Daytona Beach dad speaks out after attacking son's alleged abuser

Father beat man unconscious after he says he found him sexually abusing boy

The Volusia County father who beat up an 18-year-old who he says sexually abused his 11-year-old son says he doesn't want his family to hide what they have been through.

Jason Browning says he has been the victim of sexual abuse and says he wanted to kill Jason Frolander when he allegedly caught him naked with his son.

Browning says not only did he beat him, he went to the kitchen and grabbed a knife.

"My son is the one who stepped in front of me and stopped me. My son saved his attackers life, so who's really the hero in this situation?" he said.

Browning says Frolander was like family, and it was not unsual for him to be alone with his kids.

"There was nothing uncommon to let the kids go in the bedroom and play video games together and now I have to wonder why the door was shut," Browning said.

Browning says he too was victimized as a child. He says stopping the attack was the easy part, talking to his son about it has been much more difficult.

"I'm not going to pressure anything on him, like I said i know exactly what he's going through, when he's ready to talk about it, he will," he said.

Frolander is behind bars in the Volusia County jail.

Source: http://www.clickorlando.com/news/dayton ... r/27075404

Daytona Beach father who beat up rape suspect asked for donations

DAYTONA BEACH — The father who pummeled an 18-year-old man police say was sexually battering his son put his son’s picture on social media Monday and initially asked for $1 million in donations to help rebuild the child’s life.

“Rebuilding Innocence” was the headline atop a picture of a sleeping boy on a website called gofundme.com. The father posted a link to the website on his Facebook page.

A few hours after the original Facebook post Monday, however, the son’s picture was removed from the gofundme page. More description was added and the headline was changed to “Help Restore My Son’s Innocence.” And by 9 p.m. Monday, the father had pulled down the page and removed the donation campaign link from his Facebook page. It was removed after the father reduced the initial $1 million request to $100,000 and donors had contributed $145.

“We are reaching out to anyone that can help. Our son was sexualy (sic) assaulted and we are now faced with the challenge of picking up the pieces, the emotional and financial burden is about more than we can endure.. Please. Anything helps.. God bless and be with you all..” the father had written in the original plea.

Police Chief Mike Chitwood was dumbfounded Monday when he learned that the youngster’s father had posted the child’s photograph on Facebook and that he was asking for funds.

“It’s sad,” the chief said. “You don’t go out and exploit what happened to this young man (the son) for money.”

Chitwood explained how investigators and mental health officials who work with victims of sexual abuse strive to protect their identities.

“This is unbelievable,” Chitwood said. “The stigma that goes with being sexually abused is terrible.”

The 11-year-old rape victim’s father gained international attention overnight after the story of him beating Raymond Frolander was published Friday. Along with a jail photo of Frolander’s bloody and swollen face, the father’s pronouncement to a dispatcher in a 9-1-1 call that he knocked his son’s attacker cold has attracted worldwide interest.

“I just walked in on a grown man molesting ...,” the upset father told a dispatcher. “And I got him in a bloody puddle for you officer.”

Daytona Beach police said the 35-year-old father — The News-Journal is not publicizing his name so that his son’s identity is not revealed — discovered Frolander and his son early Saturday when he returned to his Daytona Beach apartment after going out to get food, police said.

After the beating, the father dragged Frolander out to his living room and called authorities.

A dismayed Chitwood said he had received emails from all over the world, not just from media outlets, but also from sexual abuse victims who told him that they wished someone had defended them when they were being abused.

While Chitwood spoke positively of the father this past weekend, he was disappointed on Monday with the man’s actions on social media.

The chief said the child told investigators that Frolander had been abusing him since he was 8 years old. The suspect, charged with sexual battery by an 18-year-old on a person under 12, confessed to police. Frolander also told detectives that he, too, had been sexually abused when he was a child at a foster home in California, Chitwood said.

But the story gets even more complex.

Police said Frolander was living in an apartment next to the boy and his father. The suspect, police said, was rooming with the rape victim’s biological mother. Additionally, Frolander’s stepmother is engaged to the rape victim’s father, the chief said. The stepmother was married at one time to Frolander’s biological father.

Frolander’s biological father meanwhile, Mariano Estrella of California, said Monday that Frolander has had behavioral issues since he was a child.

Estrella said he and his ex-wife, who is not being identified to protect the identity of the victim, have three daughters together. He’s afraid the sexual abuse ordeal will cause additional trouble for them and worries it will get them evicted from their apartment.

Estrella wanted Frolander to stay with him in California, but he and the suspect were not getting along. As a result, Estrella said his ex-wife told him that he could send Frolander to Florida and that she and her fiance would try to help him. The suspect’s surname comes from his biological mother, Charity Frolander, also of California.

“I was against the Florida move,” Estrella said Monday in a telephone interview with The Daytona Beach-News-Journal. “He and I came to an impasse about his behavioral issues.”

Without being specific, Estrella said he had concerns about Frolander being left with children.

“There were indications that something was awry with my son,” he said.

Chitwood, meanwhile, said Frolander’s stepmother and her children are being evicted from their Daytona Beach apartment complex, but the eviction is not related to the Frolander incident. On Monday, a relative of the rape victim’s father followed suit and also posted a plea for cash on the gofundme website to help the stepmother move. She is asking for $2,500 and had collected $65.

Source: http://www.news-journalonline.com/artic ... ?p=1&tc=pg

[Thomas JR.]

This is a false narrative, the two kids were probably a couple. Even though one got overage at 18yo and the other was underage, for the most part they were both underage and in a relationship, since one of the kids was 15yo and the other 8yo. They did it during videogame sessions. Fader found out and threw the OA bf under the bus. Of course he is homophobic, and of course he is twisting this story. They were very close, the boys, he was a family friend. This is just homophobia being passed off as rape, by an opportunistic dishonest fader. 

On Monday, September 8, 2014 at 2:09:08 PM UTC-4 roblo...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks for sharing that Capt. I will reserve judgment if the boy was okay with it all, I mean 11 years-old and all. In todays world that equates to age 13 -14intellectually. I think that the boy stopped dad speaks for itself. And DAD trying to cash in on it all?  hahaha, amazing.  laughable even (maybe). Umm, yes, I'll leave it at that.

[Thomas JR.]

I totally agree with you, this rape story is a false narrative, and the homophobic father is throwing his sons bf under the bus using the horrible prudish laws against him. Not to mention the horrible needless beating. His son actually wouldn't let it happen if he didn't like it. At 11yo and that had been happening since 3 years ago, it was kinda consensual. They take 11yo to jail for committing crimes, but say they can't tell wants from no wants? BS!!!

[Kai Cluster]

I literally got the same vibe out of it as you did, Thomas JR.
It reads to me that the father wasn't aware that his kid was gay so when he found that out, he quickly put the blame on the other person. The age difference isn't the issue, while the age of the kid could be, HOWEVER - looking at the father, I don't think his kid was clueless and naive.
Considering the kid jumped between the two before he could kill him, it's pretty much safe to say that he didn't want him to die. I hardly doubt that actual rape victims would react like that, since, besides the shock they would probably want their rapist to die or best case scenario, not care what happens to them. The whole case looks extremely suspicious.
I wasn't aware of this case until today, so I probably don't know as much as some of you guys do, but to me, from the information that I gathered, I see no reason to automatically accuse the 18yo.
People just like to create monsters and attach the worst possible attributes to them :/