Do you have Age restrictions

[daveofk...@gmail.com]

Following on another question I raised about fucking a member of your immediate Family, is there an age where you would say Whoa? you are way TOO Young kiddo. no matter how cute and sexy looking he is/ I mean i have seen some really cute and sexy looking kids probably about 7 or 8? my own feelings are NO WAY, how about you guys?

[bkb...@gmail.com]

Hi all.

I prob would stop at 11. At that age they should know what they are doing. Never would want to play with someone who does not know what is going on. Be interesting to hear about the rest of you.

[samjoh...@mail.com]

Yeah I get the NO WAY feeling about cute 8yo's. But it's not hard to imagine circumstances where some age-appropriate sexual contact would be fine for both parties. The most difficult thing about 8yo's is that their brains are too under-developed - they're just nuts, as far as I can work out. Get a group of 8yo boys together and it's hilarious, very entertaining and they're undoubtably gorgeous -  but they're also completely bananas. Sexual contact means you're prepared to put in time and effort, and I don't think I would be with a boy that young. Maybe I'd just build the friendship, wait till he hits those devastating first years of puberty.

[Rob Loveboy]

Good move. 11 today are now 13 in mentality over the decades.  they may not have physical onsets of puberty but their minds are sexually active 6, 7 or 8, they are still that,6, 7 & 8. However many men take advantage of that age of curiosity, awed at the adult male form, and easy to get into their pants, and easily coerced into oral play. Problem is, it last all of but a few minutes before junior grows bored with a cock in his mouth not doing a bad job with the lessons being taught him and is suddenly on the floor playing with his GI-Joe or tonka trucks leaving the man frustrated and hopefully not angry enough to force the issue. Then it becomes RAPE! I see no real problem teaching a boy that age about a man's body and the pleasures he can bestow with the promise of a new bicycle for being a good student. I don't believe for a second that it is harmful activity suffered later in life as society professes. Trouble is, it's one way selfish sex, unshared gratification and take advantage of by far to many men. But to each his own vise if handled without force and delicately, I suppose. 

[daveofk...@gmail.com]

As I have said i certainly enjoy ogling some of these young 6/7/8/ year olds, and pleasant thought they may be, I just cant somehow  imagine myself having any action with them, BUT as the opportunity has never really arisen? who knows, I could possible not only be tempted but could be pleasantly surprised. I still prefer the 10 year old and upwards though.

[exjo...@gmail.com]

I agree that the mind has not quite grasped the concept of sexual pleasures before 11 or so. 6/7/8 year olds can be incredibly attractive their energy is a thing of beauty, but that is a "no fly zone" for me now. Shamefully it has taken me several years to come to that conclusion. I must say regretfully in my younger years I have had playmates young enough to have not yet entered kindergarten. I was a selfish young man.

[daveofk...@gmail.com]

Sometimes in our lives Exjo,!! we allow our dicks to rule our heads perhaps, I have often had "impure thoughts" about 6/7/8/ year old's, BUT when I then imagine them spread in front of me, I tend to wake up and smell the coffee type thing. 

I have no doubts that there may be some who could have made it an enjoyable experience, but I prefer the older ones that at least know what they like, but again I would never condemn anyone who thought otherwise, I may be the one missing out.

[Rob Loveboy]

I think we all have crossed the line at some point in time. Read my story "seven can be heaven." No matter how much i told myself that I wasn't going there when invited to do so, the urge overwhelmed me until I  found myself knocking on the door  still convincing myself that I was only going to be there for a friendly cocktail and then skedaddle. That lasted all but 10 minutes when I seen the little guy, who to me, reeked sensuality. When he was told to do a strip tease, i lost it. I never returned for seconds although buddy invited me and still beat myself up for my lack of self-control. I admit, I jerk off thinking about that night still.

[kahl...@gmail.com]

I was 12yo when I had my first experience and it was with my 8yo cousin . He was more adventurous than I was . I also know a guy that told me he was giving oral to every guy he could and loved it when he was still in elementry school . I guess what I'm trying to say is there are 7,8,9 yo out there that know what they want .

[daveofk...@gmail.com]

I think in all honesty though were I to be in the position you were  faced with Rob, i doubt i would have been think to myself, nah he is too young the way i feel these days, I would have them any age i think

[Sam Johnson]

Ryan said: "6/7/8 year olds can be incredibly attractive their energy is a thing of beauty, but that is a "no fly zone" for me"

 

Couldn't agree more, Ryan. I've attended a few boys birthday parties where a dozen boys of that age get together and go completely, bouncing-off-the-walls crazy. The red lemonade flows and all bets are off! It is a more hilariously entertaining sight than any other, and there's no doubt there's a strong sexy element to it all as well. And it's not hard to pick the boys who are more sexually attuned. I've certainly never gone there, but really, at what age doesn't a male enjoy having his cock rubbed if it's in a friendly consensual environment?

 

I remember reading an apparently true anecdote about the French King, Louis the ...(can't remember which one--13th or 14th). Anyway, at a very young age, 4 or 5 or so, the boy king would have all his hired help line up to kiss his royal willy, which would be as stiff as a sceptre. It was thought a wonderful bit of tom-foolery by the boy, and of course everyone had to obey. If the sexual contact is age-appropriate, and okay with the particular boy, it doesn't make sense that it would be HARMFUL in some dark mysterious way. Look at the way our closest relatives the bonobos go at it. From infancy they're having sex with all the other bonobos in the group.

 

Of course, as to whether our society should or should not have a legal age of consent, and what that age should be, is a whole other vexed question. But, whatever the age of consent is, the law should always take into account the actual nature of the contact involved--if the child was raped, string the bastard up, if it was benign and encouraged by the boy, then be a bit sensible about it.

[myn...@gmail.com]

I remember I must've been 9 or 10 when i first checked out men's cocks in the showers, even though I didn't understand what I was feeling. I also remember I was still in elementary school when i first jerked off with objects up my ass. So I think boys are able to want sex once they're growing body hair, and some of them are going to want gay sex, including with grown men.
irl, i'd never do it, but in a hypothetical scenario in which it was legal, tolerated... if he's old enough to have hair on his pubes, i'd consider him old enough to want it.

[daveofk...@gmail.com]

Not always the case that ONCE they start growing Body Hair they become interested, I know one 14 year old still shall we use the term Bald as a coot, and he is VERY active sexually (unfortunately NOT with me)

I know I personally was very interested at a young age and i was a late developer in the puberty stakes.

[myn...@gmail.com]

i wasn't thinking of late developers, true.

[daveofk...@gmail.com]

Sorry misread what you were saying? but even then as Rob and others will testify, there is always THAT ONE who knows exact;y what he wants and how to get it., Thing is? why do I never meet them? LOL

[Loveboy Rob]

I hate to bring up the old cliche, "If I knew than what I know now." my childhood would have been much more satisfying . Here's another cliche I can't resist that is SO true, "Youth is wasted on the young." I have a new lad, Sam 15, in my circle of boys. He is Irish just moved to California with his step dad (no, no hankie pankie there, why is still a mystery that he will tell me eventually). Now do I look like Dear Abby to the youth of today to you? Sam's going on a hiking trip (date?) with an older man today that he met online. My only advise was to follow his heart, he's the one in control, not the man. And if the guy is decent, he will show Sam a great experience selflessly. So yes, Karl, there are boys out there that know what they want, MEN! Sam is taking up writing and I hope to host him on the site soon. Not gloating, but young men seem to flock to me (shame the live so far away, haha). Two years ago I was talking regularly to 16 year old Caleb in Massof twoshits (never could spell that idiotic state name) and one night he was quite suicidal. I was very worried. I knew his town, last name, and that he had just bought a car. I called the Mass(whatever) state police who tracked him right away with the info given. I received an email from his parents thanking me for saving his life that night, he had taken a bottle of pills in his bedroom. I lost touch with him, sad to say, when he went off to university with a scholarship and I think about him often hoping he will contact me someday. They come and they go. Very few I'm still in touch with. He called me his guardian angel after that, I was proud, but did what any man would do under the circumstances.He reckoned with his sexuality, went on to became founder and president of his high school gay/straight alliance and travelling the state organizing other high school groups. I do have tears in me eyes reflecting back, and I know in my heart he will contact me at some point. I guess the moral of the story is we are much more than "pedophiles" or "perverts." I never ask any lad for pics naked, mine is on my 'About me" page, but only as a "Get to know me" completely, I IS WHAT I IS, take me or leave me, I don't give a fuck! Not to reiterate past converses about nudity mentality today. How can best friends say they would never hide anything from each other, yet they do ... their naked bodies. Now if that isn't  'baring all, what is? And I don't mean  sexually, I mean casual inhibition-free changing together. Now, to be that's the ultimate display of trust in friendship as innocent as it is. Thank you ladies, for making our boys self-conscious and ashamed of their own bodies. I think you are all closeted penis hating lesbians when it comes right down to it. God didn't give you a cock, get over it or take it up with HIM! Leave our boys alone to be masculine, it's only natural and what makes our sexes so uniquely different you bunch of small minded man-haters! I say MEN UNITE and take back our masculinity. Imprison women and teen girls, or exile somewhere (Ironic, the Isle of Man, ahaha). Let us free, we'll learn to live without ya, any port in a horny man's storm, we'll always have each other for those carnal needs. More and more of us are going gay, sweethearts, best stock up on dildos while they are available.

 

Vince and I hope to have the new site live by tonight or latest Sunday. I shall breath a sigh of relief, maybe get drunk. It's been a ride I don't care to venture on again. Vince has spent well over 500 hours working on it at his own writing novels expense. I hate to think the amount of sexual favors I now owe him.And thank you guys for keeping the reading interesting, I know we have other reading in, but not contributing for whatever reason. Billy's Boys Too is linking the forum to his site in the near future.

 

Talk about going off on a tangent! I love owning this site, I can say whatever I want and nobody is going to edit me out (right David, my loyal forum keeper? Guess he has to tolerate me, hahaha). Have a great weekend. 

 

Rob!

[Capt Pervy]

Good to hear that the new site is getting close to completion, Rob. I'm sure we're all looking forward to it. Getting back to the o.p.'s question. I have read through this discussion many times and respect what everyone has said. But, I also think it's different for different men. I'm a member of another forum for people who want to come out of the closet (as in gays) and ask for advice, support, etc. One of the posts on there was from a parent asking for advice because here nine year old son was looking at gay porn...that's right...NINE YEARS OLD. That combined with a study that was done recently that stated that boys as young as eight have viewed porn online makes me wonder how much today's boys are sexually aware? Are they doing it on a dare from older friends/siblings? Or are they seeking it out on their own without any prompting? If it's the former than everyone here who says 8 is too young is obviously right, but if it's the latter, then it makes me scratch my head and wonder if we have it wrong? I have to admit though, with mass media shoving sex at them every chance they get, I'm not very surprised at these findings, or the post from the concerned parent about her 9 year old son. But, the question is still there in my head. Do we have it wrong? If you had a relationship with an 8 year old and HE wanted things to progress beyond the platonic level, would you turn him away and possibly scar him for the rest of his life?

[Sam Johnson]

Exactly, Capt. (I am going to have to disagree with you one day, but not yet it seems) It's all about context. I know boys who are quite seriously NOT interested in that yukky sex stuff at around the 8yo mark. Then again I knew a 4yo boy who was aggressively interested in anything to do with sex, and would sometimes get in trouble for trying to dry hump his mum. And I know he'd had no exposure to porn or sex in any overt way--just the whole subject fascinated him, constantly asking questions etc. Interestingly, he lost the interest by about 6yo and didn't start again until 12 or so. So trying to put hard fast rules on it is impossible. Judging the totality of a relationship without preconceived prejudices might be good start.

And why wouldn't a 8yo be interested in porn? I grew up on a farm and by that age I was always trying to watch the bulls fucking cows or the dogs going at it, or cows giving birth, or whatever. That was my porn, from a very young age. Perfectly natural to have a keen interest in sex at any age. It's hilarious to watch our cousins the monkeys--if the little kid monkeys ever catch the elders having it off, they go absolutely crazy, jumping all over them and screeching and hooting. Kids actually exist IN nature and nature is almost as saturated in sex as our media! Today's puritans try to put kids into a very unhealthy state of total innocence, a place where any sexual intrusion is a monstrous harmful act. Absolute tosh, of course, but unchallengeable at the moment.

[daveofk...@gmail.com]

If I never do anything else on this Forum, one thing I am proud of doing is raising this question, i have found the various replies both informative, interesting sometimes funny, but overall it has actually changed my ideas on "how young is too young" i said way back that thinking of sex with n 8 year old would be taboo in my book, but since then reading various stories and peoples replies I actually now have changed my mind.

Providing that the boy in question was TOTALLY agreeable after the initial seduction? then I would have no hesitation I dont think.

see you lot are are a BAD influence on me LOL

[Loveboy Rob]

I would be VERY interested in following that woman's plight with her boy and the advise she is getting. I consider myself an amateur anthropologist on juvenile sexuality and man/boy relations since the beginning of time. I know for a fact that I could hold my ground in a public debate setting enlightening my opponents to factual evidence that not only have boys seeked out men for centuries, and still do, but also that kids are in fact sexual human beings with needs and desires ... and Yes Cap't, younger and younger no thanks to today's mass media promoting it everywhere they look. One thing I refuse comment on is girls. I am not, and never was a girl (believe it or not hahha) nor do I know how they think only that they  grow up to be penis haters and belittle their men and sons. I think I told you guys that I have plans for a book (fictional) with the theme being how women have emasculated men over the last century molding them into subservient femmes without back bones. I will bet that I have problems publishing this just anywhere. Women publishers and their femme assistant collywackers will reject it based on content and feminism. Cap't, can you email me roblo...@gmail.com to discuss the young lad and his mom? I am intrigued with it now if only to add to my battle against hypocritical society and my repertoire of information and studies.

[marky...@gmail.com]

You just made that story at least 200 tomes hotter!

[Loveboy Rob]

Thanks for that info on that 9 yr old Capt. Interesting reading. My opinion? The kid is an early bloomer and destined to play on our team in a few years, although, I think that he is ready and willing even at that tender age. Question is, would we men of sane morals oblige him? I say yes. Absolutely no anal, strictly oral sex. I have a good feeling that he would be like a banshee on his first cock exploring the real thing intently. Imagine how inquisitive he would be having only videos and all the questions in his mind being answered live and in person. A boy like that would also keep his mouth shut. But lets look ahead for little "Bobby." Whats in store for him down the road? He will be playing doctor (if isn't already) with younger boys, maybe try and fuck them (his peril). The parents need to accept his sexuality and talk about it openly. No doubt, he needs help so as he doesn't become a juvenile pedophile (there are many). 

 

So here's a new question on the same topic. Put yourself in the parents position. They claim to have gay friends. Should they bite the bullet and arrange a trusted gay friend to have sex with the boy for a better assessment? Could a parent sit at home knowing their baby is in a man's hands (literally) and gaining experience well beyond his age of maturity? Or do they ignore it hoping it will go away, child lock the computer and enroll him on a football team.. This is a tough one guys, place yourself in the parents shoes. I did some soul searching in bed on the what if? I trully believe I would seek out  gay friend willing to help out the cause. Question #2 -(and maybe a dumb one) Would you oblige a parent the responsibility of teaching Bobby what he yearns to know? 

[daveofk...@gmail.com]

jeez what a question? my immediate response to the first question is I honestly think I would do the same as you rob, the old saying of "better the devil you know" springs to mind ie I would makes ure that th friend knew it was my kid and to make it good for him none of this wham bam thank now fuck off type thing

And would I be that friend if asked?  the answer ?? Where is he whats the address, of course I would, i think any of us would.

[pca_...@yahoo.com]

I would have to say that yes I would try and search out a gay friend maybe not to have sex with him at first, but just to chat.  If it needed to go farther then yes would allow it, but would have to be there during the sex just to make sure nothing bad happened or maybe just to watch ;)

As to the second question I would most definitely help out, just need the address.  Always glad to help out people in need!!! 

[daveofk...@gmail.com]

You say PCA that you would let a friend help BUT you would have to be their to watch IN CASE anything BAD HAPPENED, or JUST TO WATCH  hahaha I assume you would NOT be joining in, cause that's about all there is left to do.

[Loveboy Rob]

Sorry dude, but I don't think any parent could sit an watch junior of any age have a roll in the hay with an anyone. There are some things in life meant to be kept private. hahaha. But you have rekindled the idea in a story I shelved, The God Parent Pact. Several youth (male/female) grow up together free spirited about sex, settle down and marry each other, name their friends as god parents to their children with an added responsibility ... taking the virginity of their charges (male/female) at puberty age and teach homo and hetero sex over the course of a weekend. Now THAT would put an active role into  god parenting aid instead of the no real honor bestowed through an old catholic tradition. What better way of showing friends how deeply you take their friendship than to entrust the couple with the ultimate godparent ritual. They could have bar mitzvah-like parties before and after the "Rite of Passage."  It's not me thats warped, it's the rest of the world who just don't get it!   Rob's world would be a much nicer place to live in, so I think! hahahahaha  It is a very good fictional story that perhaps i should dust off and continue.

[fly_n...@yahoo.com]

Well daveofk I think I would join in.

[Sam Johnson]

Yes, like PCA, I'd be looking to arrange a big brother type set up. Try and match up a good gay guy with the kid, and if they hit it off and take it further, good luck to 'em.

I do try and take the parents view in this business. If I had a 12yo son who was suddenly spending time with a man I didn't know--I'd be worried as hell. Boy lovers are like any other group--there's good and bad. I'd be pretty damn keen on properly checking the guy out. But...what if my son seemed to love the guy and I was convinced he was a bad piece of work. It's tricky. With a 12yo, a parent still has to override the kid's wishes on some things. Is this one? I really don't know. I do think such situations, if they don't involve the man harming the boy, can be worked out without the need for authorities to get involved. No reason man-boy relations should be any easier to get right than all the other kinds.

Here's a question I often ponder: If I was undisputed king of the world, what would I set the age of consent at?-- if there should be one at all? 12yo is the age I always tend to go for, but then that might simply be reflecting my own preferences! Anyone else have a view?

[Capt Pervy]

Hmm the "king of the world" scenario is interesting... what if you let the people decide as long as it's NOT over 12 years of age? And if they make it any older than the law makers for that town/state/country would be in turn breaking the law and if they do then it's.... OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!! Lol

[Sam Johnson]

I like it Capt--sort make Age-of-consent a consensual concept. Maybe go further: Age-of-Consent rules can only be applied if the sexual participants agree to have it applied. Double the consent! What could be fairer!

[daveofk...@gmail.com]

Why even bother WITH an age of consent If I was King I would say have fun folks, as long as the participant is happy who are we to decide who is too young? we have said on here many a time some kids at 7 etc are Hot and ready to trot sort of thing who are we to deny them their fun? LOl

[daveofk...@gmail.com]

I have decided that you lot are a bad influence on me. Either that or you have "turned me" NO not like that, but previously on here I have said 7/8 a bit too young for me, but that bad bugger Rob sort of got me interested a little/
Well tonight I called into our local Fish and Chip Shop to pick up a meal, and there in front of me was the most delightful blond (you know I have a penchant for blondes of course) anyway he could not have been much older than 8, but not just a blonde he was also dressed in my favourite outfit (thank you god) White soccer shorts and white top, what really made me do a double and probably a triple take ws his legs/ they were amazing tanned, and well filled out he just about fitted the shorts, and i swear i could see a nice little package.

i could not keep my eyes off him, I actually began to feel like a DIRTY OLD MAN, but honestly he weas just gorgeous, i could have stoof there looking at him all night, 

I blame you lot, you have TURNED ME   LOL

[ctho...@att.net]

 I have to find the article, but what I remember is that some countries in Europe, Portugal is one are considering lower the age of consent to 4 or 5 years old. The hang up seem to be should be parent or parents be involved in the younger ones being able to consent. I cannot imagine approaching a say father asking may I please have sex with your 4 year son. I can't seem to wrap my mind around that possibility.

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[robbd...@gmail.com]

WHATTTTT?? good God never, that is  totally obscene as far as I am concerned.

[ctho...@att.net]

Judge not, Robb, lest ye be judged. hehehe I am still looking for the article, but I also remember that incest was also on the agenda for more acceptability. And I am fairly sure The Netherlands was also mentioned.

[alan...@aol.com]

Joined this thread late, but my preference is 10-14 but I have to say some ynger boys are just so beautiful. I have to agree that shorts are great on boys just a pity they are so long these days. I guess that makes me a dirty old man too!

[Loveboy Rob]

NAH, I like them better without shorts. Hang around a public swimming pool, a few are immodest 

[robbd...@gmail.com]

I seriously prefer to see them in shorts, I think it is the Xmas present  approach? you know when you get that present,  you have an idea who it is from, but no idea of what it is? the anticipation of opening it slowly and gently and then the sheer joy when you see the contents?

[darren...@gmail.com]

*sigh* Seems I'm always late to the party, and I never have a date either. Oh well.

Personally I think Age of Consent laws are nonsense. Sex at 11:59 pm before some magic date on a calendar? Illegal, possibly a felony, and just about gauranteed to ruin everybody's life. Wait one more minute? *BING* Perfectly legal! Did the person somehow become more mature in those 60 seconds?

What I would prefer to see, but probably never will, is for "consensual" activities to be legal, and "nonconsensual" ones to be crimes. I have seen many a "child" who was more mature than the idiots drinking themselves to death just because the clock went *BING* and they're not legal to buy alcohol. If someone is able to understand what they're doing, wants to do it, understands and accepts the possible consequences, then I say go for it.

This means that some mentally/emotionally stunted people might NEVER be able to give consent, but then most "Statuatory Rape" laws have clauses about such people, or situations like Teacher-student of Boss-employee where the color of authority might compel someone to do something that they don't really want to do.

On the flip side, it would allow that 15, 12, 9 year-old who is mature for their age to do things than currently there is NO legal way for them to do.

How young is too young? While I have a hard time imaging how a 2 year old might be able to be mature enough to give consent, I'm not inclined to draw ANY line, as that is just a slippery slope to the situation we have today. Then again, what's the "L" in BL stand for? Oh, that's right, LOVE. Love, even physical love, doesn't have to be sexual.

[bbb...@gmail.com]

I like about age 5 to mid-teens.