Chief Peguis extension AT pathway, NPG overpass, Rothesay overpass
Kevin Miller
- Riding on the Northeast Pioneers Greenway from either the north or south requires no stopping if you're continue straight through or if you're turning west onto the Chief Peguis pathway (6 of the 12 travel routings).
- There is also no stopping if you're riding eastward on the Chief Peguis pathway and turning either north or south onto the Northeast Pioneers Greenway.
- Any of the other 6 travel routings requires crossing Gateway Road at street level.
- The two pathways cross each other at the north end of the Northeast Pioneers Greenway overpass, so you always ascend to it and then descend, regardless of which pathway you're on, or which direction you're going, or whether you're going straight or turning. Photo 2 was taken from the intersection of the two pathways.
A two-way access ramp "pathway" only exists at the NE corner of the "intersection". That "pathway" is currently only a 4' wide concrete sidewalk. I sure hope it will actually be a 8' (or more) wide pathway. Otherwise it will be dangerous and will result in pedestrian/cyclist conflicts. You can see the access ramp "pathway" in photo 4 as a thin beige horizontal line on the right side of the photo, just under the Rothesay overpass concrete support. (To the pedestrian's left.) I should have taken a direct photo of it.
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Maureen Peniuk
on the weekend and was quite impressed (these new AT "trails" will
also make great new running routes). It was nice to see they are quite
well used too.
I am so thankful to finally have Rothesay open again - the detour had
been getting worse and the gated lane was pretty tight in places - and
not so easy to navigate in the dark (on my way to work).
I believe you have answered the question I had - and that was - for
the lazy flat-lander cyclist - if we did not mind going through the
intersection at Gateway and the CPT - was there going to ba a lane at
street level - or would we all have to cycle up and around the bridge
and back. And it sounds like the latter is the case.
Maureen
On 12/11/11, Kevin Miller <k.a.m...@mts.net> wrote:
> Yesterday I cycled on the entire length (3.5K) of new AT pathway that
> runs alongside the new Chief Peguis extension -- from Sunrise Park (300m
> east of Lagimodiere Blvd) to Henderson Hwy. I also rode under and over
> both the new Northeast Pioneers Greenway overpass and the Rothesay Ave
> overpass.
>
> Photos: http://www.mts.net/~4bmiller/2011-12-10_ChiefPeguisPathwayRide/
>
> The pathway is currently well-packed (and obviously frozen) 1/4-down
> limestone. It was a VG riding surface for my winter bike. It will be
> asphalted in the spring.
>
> The Chief Peguis pathway runs along the north side of the Chief Peguis
> extension. West of Henderson Hwy, the AT pathway is on the south side of
> the Chief Peguis roadway / Kildonan Settlers Bridge, so you must cross
> both Henderson Hwy and Chief Peguis in order to continue westward over
> the Red River to Main Street and Kildonan Park.
>
> The Northeast Pioneers Greenway runs along the west side of the Gateway
> Road. Raleigh Street no longer exists within a few hundred metres of the
> Chief Peguis extension.
>
> The intersection of the Chief Peguis pathway and the Northeast Pioneers
> Greenway is well-done.
>
> * Riding on the Northeast Pioneers Greenway from either the north
> or south requires no stopping if you're continue straight through or if
> you're turning west onto the Chief Peguis pathway (6 of the 12 travel
> routings).
> * There is also no stopping if you're riding eastward on the Chief
> Peguis pathway and turning either north or south onto the Northeast
> Pioneers Greenway.
> * Any of the other 6 travel routings requires crossing Gateway
> Road at street level.
> * The two pathways cross each other at the north end of the
> Northeast Pioneers Greenway overpass, so you always ascend to it and
> then descend, regardless of which pathway you're on, or which direction
> you're going, or whether you're going straight or turning. Photo 2 was
> taken from the intersection of the two pathways.
>
> I was disappointed with the access to Rothesay Ave from the Chief Peguis
> pathway and vice-versa.
> A two-way access ramp "pathway" only exists at the NE corner of the
> "intersection". That "pathway" is currently only a 4' wide concrete
> sidewalk. I sure hope it will actually be a 8' (or more) wide pathway.
> Otherwise it will be dangerous and will result in pedestrian/cyclist
> conflicts. You can see the access ramp "pathway" in photo 4 as a thin
> beige horizontal line on the right side of the photo, just under the
> Rothesay overpass concrete support. (To the pedestrian's left.) I should
> have taken a direct photo of it.
>
> Note that I refuse to call the new roadway by its official but incorrect
> name: "Chief Peguis Trail". It may not be a freeway, but it's definitely
> not a trail.
>
> Comments? Questions?
>
> Please forward this to anyone else who might be interested.
>
> Kevin Miller
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Kevin Miller
Initially, I was a bit disappointed when I realized a cyclist who simply wanted to ride straight through on the Chief Peguis pathway would have to ascend to the NPG overpass (and then descend). But after looking at all factors and thinking about it, I agree with the design.
- Creating an additional grade-level "straight through" pathway going under the NPG overpass would have added at least another 100m of pathway/asphalt ($$,$$$) -- see "Aerial Map" at http://www.winnipeg.ca/publicworks/MajorProjects/ChiefPeguisTrail/Maps-Images.asp , and possibly would have required the NPG overpass span to be a few metres longer ($$,$$$).
- The spot where the two pathways intersect (actually, they overlap for 10m) is a node: a viewpoint ... an interpretive place ... a meeting place. For a day-to-day transportation cyclist, this may be an unwanted slow-down when the pathways are very busy, but in general I think it's very positive mentally/emotionally/physically for both AT and recreation. A phenomenal example of "positive mentally/emotionally/physically for both AT and recreation" is http://www.streetfilms.org/breathtaking-bike-infrastructure-minnesotas-martin-olav-sabo-bridge, which Anita & I cycled on this past July.
Subject: Re: Chief Peguis extension AT pathway, NPG overpass, Rothesay overpass
From: marat...@gmail.com
To: rivereas...@googlegroups.com
Thanks for the information and photos Kevin. I ran along the "trail" on the weekend and was quite impressed (these new AT "trails" will also make great new running routes). It was nice to see they are quite well used too.
I am so thankful to finally have Rothesay open again - the detour had been getting worse and the gated lane was pretty tight in places - and not so easy to navigate in the dark (on my way to work).
On 2011-12-11, Kevin Miller wrote:
Yesterday I cycled on the entire length (3.5K) of new AT pathway that runs alongside the new Chief Peguis extension -- from Sunrise Park (300m east of Lagimodiere Blvd) to Henderson Hwy. I also rode under and over both the new Northeast Pioneers Greenway overpass and the Rothesay Ave overpass.
Photos: http://www.mts.net/~4bmiller/2011-12-10_ChiefPeguisPathwayRide/
The pathway is currently well-packed (and obviously frozen) 1/4-down limestone. It was a VG riding surface for my winter bike. It will be asphalted in the spring.
The Chief Peguis pathway runs along the north side of the Chief Peguis extension. West of Henderson Hwy, the AT pathway is on the south side of the Chief Peguis roadway / Kildonan Settlers Bridge, so you must cross both Henderson Hwy and Chief Peguis in order to continue westward over the Red River to Main Street and Kildonan Park.
The Northeast Pioneers Greenway runs along the west side of the Gateway Road. Raleigh Street no longer exists within a few hundred metres of the Chief Peguis extension.
The intersection of the Chief Peguis pathway and the Northeast Pioneers Greenway is well-done.
- Riding on the Northeast Pioneers Greenway from either the north or south requires no stopping if you're continue straight through or if you're turning west onto the Chief Peguis pathway (3 of the 12 travel routings).
- There is also no stopping if you're riding eastward on the Chief Peguis pathway and turning either north or south onto the Northeast Pioneers Greenway (3 more of the 12 travel routings).
- Any of the other 6 travel routings requires crossing Gateway Road at street level.
- The two pathways cross each other at the north end of the Northeast Pioneers Greenway overpass, so you always ascend to it and
then descend, regardless of which pathway you're on, or which direction you're going, or whether you're going straight or turning. Photo 2 was taken from the intersection of the two pathways.
I was disappointed with the access to Rothesay Ave from the Chief Peguis pathway and vice-versa.
A two-way access ramp "pathway" only exists at the NE corner of the "intersection". That "pathway" is currently only a 4' wide concrete sidewalk. I sure hope it will actually be a 8' (or more) wide pathway. Otherwise it will be dangerous and will result in pedestrian/cyclist conflicts. You can see the access ramp "pathway" in photo 4 as a thin beige horizontal line on the right side of the photo, just under the Rothesay overpass concrete support. (To the pedestrian's left.) I should have taken a direct photo of it.
Comments? Questions?
Please forward this to anyone else who might be interested.
Kevin Miller
Maureen Peniuk
Pioneers Greenway and then comes to the intersection at the CPT that I
was referring. It appears up and around is the only option there too?
Sorry for the confusion. Maureen
On 12/12/11, Kevin Miller <k.a.m...@mts.net> wrote:
>
> Maureen:
>
> Initially, I was a bit disappointed when I realized a cyclist who simply
> wanted to ride straight through on the Chief Peguis pathway would have to
> ascend to the NPG overpass (and then descend). But after looking at all
> factors and thinking about it, I agree with the design.
> Creating an additional grade-level "straight through" pathway going under
> the NPG overpass would have added at least another 100m of pathway/asphalt
> ($$,$$$) -- see "Aerial Map" at
> http://www.winnipeg.ca/publicworks/MajorProjects/ChiefPeguisTrail/Maps-Images.asp
> , and possibly would have required the NPG overpass span to be a few metres
> longer ($$,$$$).The spot where the two pathways intersect (actually, they
> routings).There is also no stopping if you're riding eastward on the Chief
> Peguis pathway and turning either north or south onto the Northeast Pioneers
> Greenway (3 more of the 12 travel routings).Any of the other 6 travel
> routings requires crossing Gateway Road at street level.The two pathways
> cross each other at the north end of the Northeast Pioneers Greenway
> overpass, so you always ascend to it and
> then descend, regardless of which pathway you're on, or which direction
> you're going, or whether you're going straight or turning. Photo 2 was taken
> from the intersection of the two pathways.
> I was disappointed with the access to Rothesay Ave from the Chief Peguis
> pathway and vice-versa.
> A two-way access ramp "pathway" only exists at the NE corner of the
> "intersection". That "pathway" is currently only a 4' wide concrete
> sidewalk. I sure hope it will actually be a 8' (or more) wide pathway.
> Otherwise it will be dangerous and will result in pedestrian/cyclist
> conflicts. You can see the access ramp "pathway" in photo 4 as a thin beige
> horizontal line on the right side of the photo, just under the Rothesay
> overpass concrete support. (To the pedestrian's left.) I should have taken a
> direct photo of it.
>
> Note: I refuse to call the new roadway by its official name: "Chief Peguis
> Trail". It may not be a freeway, but it's definitely not a trail. A trail is
> what the Winnipeg Trails Association advocates for.
>
> Comments? Questions?
>
> Please forward this to anyone else who might be interested.
>
> Kevin Miller
> k.a.m...@mts.net
> Transcona
>
>